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Chief, are you able to clarify if this means one kill or one kill attempt? |
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No I don't see that. |
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As far as we know they are all wolves and this is an elaborate attempt to further confuse us. So yeah I agree with Raven, this doesn't clear anyone. |
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I thought the roles said the medic was a duke role not a hunter role..
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Correct. |
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Agreed. font baits Vaimes into a shot knowing MartinD has her covered? Medic could be wolf or village, if I read the rules correctly. |
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correct |
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Yes, you are correct. I somehow got myself switched around. I'll go back and edit. MARTIND is a Duke, not a Hunter. |
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That's an interesting thought, too. Sure did happen very quickly on D2. |
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I agree. We just know their H/D role, not their wolf/villager role. |
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I have to think about this more, but something def seems off to me about this whole situation. Seems a bit early in the game to utilize this sort of play, but not if someone wanted to get scanned (Cunning). Who would be the logical person to scan of these 3 now? I think that two of the 3 could have coordinated this, maybe all 3? Though I really need to think about it some more. |
Vaimes gave font more than adequate warning before he shot
This gave martin time to protect font Not sure what to make of that but this whole things just smells rotten. |
So MartinD being a Duke would now just duke out of a lynch. Once we analyze this, he seems like he would need to be a logical hunter kill and not a lynch vote, if the thought is he is wolf.
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I think I lean to all 3 being involved somehow. Vaimes doesn't seem the type to be baited. |
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Of course, font is a master baiter. |
We know if Martin becomes LL he will duke
and A hunter cant take out Vaimes without also dying.. ----- the obvious play to me is to lynch vaimes, see how that turns out and then shoot martin tomorrow based on the results.. deal with font afterwards.. but if this is just a coincidence... |
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I mean, the odds of that are just... |
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Exactly!
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Ah, so this is why she's been ignoring me.
I guess we'll just have to kill her toMorrow. |
Running through various scenarios of how that all unfolded to see what what I can come up with, and there are a few interesting possibilities.
I'll wait for someone else to point them out, I'm sure Narc will jump on what I am thinking as soon as he catches up. |
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She didn't even try to hint that I shouldn't shoot her, or anything. It's baffling. |
Do you really think there's a cunning, brutal, AND the medic is a wolf?
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That seems highly improbable
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But I do think we'll need some clarity on font/vaimes.. and I'm curious to see what Martin says
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It's possible.. can't rule it out. Remember timmae was the black ajah bodyguard in the WoT game. If everything was handed out randomly it's definitely a possibility. |
I'm not sure MartinD could have picked up on the real threat on his own in time to protect font. I don't know about Vaimes, but I think font and MartinD had some coordination. Or Vaimes and MartinD. All 3 coordinating? Hmm.
Also, would a wolf Medic burn his ability so soon and for the confusion? Unless they have items to pass around. |
I'm never one to completely clear people, just saying I find it unlikely. I'd rather hear what Martin has to say than speculate because I want to hear his reasoning and judge it.
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Why not? |
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Because he's still a hunter, just without ammo. Unless I missed something in the rules. |
Hunters can't be shot?
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If a hunter shoots a hunter they both die. |
Btw if this is a coordinated effort among 2-3 of them, then they're clearly holding enough items and/or there are 4 wolves, and they've come up with a plan to get to parity really quickly. Or at least get them close enough to parity that they'd only need the final wolf to get through 1-2 days.
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That'd be ballsy if all three are wolves. I expect that one of font/vaimes won't last much longer, whether via lynch or kill. Though, they would still have 2 more hunter/duke moves to potentially play with.
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Agreed. You stated my point better than I. |
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Gotcha. Chief, is this an absolute or can items nullify this rule? |
Some of the items could stop a kill from happening but none of them seem to stop a hunter/hunter duke/duke double death.
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To clarify, only items that prevent the kill BEFOREHAND would prevent Hunter/Hunter or Duke/Duke. Think we're saying the same thing...just wanted to make sure. |
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Seriously, nothing? Tough crowd... |
Jeez, a lot to sort out. I'll start with the fun part (kind of like a logic puzzle)/
font is the key to that whole mess (sort of). If she is a villager that pretty much clears up MartinD (no way a wolf makes that save). If she is a wolf, well then things get a little iffy. It doesn't clear or condemn MartinD in that case. Okay, let's think this through: The possibilities are: A font village MartinD village Vaimes village B font village MartinD village Vaimes wolf C font village MartinD wolf Vaimes village D font village MartinD wolf Vaimes wolf E font wolf MartinD village Vaimes village F font wolf MartinD village Vaimes wolf G font wolf MartinD wolf Vaimes village H font wolf MartinD wolf Vaimes village (think I got all the combos) |
We should be able to rule out C and D. If either of those are the play then MartinD deserves to win for that bold move.
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Just saw I have H incorrect as far as the possibilities go, that should have all of them as wolves in that scenario.
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no triple wolf possibility? that's already been floated, though i find it unlikely
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heh, there it is, continue
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Hunters can't shoot and kill other Hunters without dying, and Dukes can't Duke to other Dukes without dying. |
With that said, I can't see H being a high probability with the wolves starting out with 2 villagers killed on day one. Why put themselves on our radar?
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Changed to correct my mistake:
A font village MartinD village Vaimes village B font village MartinD village Vaimes wolf C font village MartinD wolf Vaimes village D font village MartinD wolf Vaimes wolf E font wolf MartinD village Vaimes village F font wolf MartinD village Vaimes wolf G font wolf MartinD wolf Vaimes village H font wolf MartinD wolf Vaimes wolf |
I am back to the game... sorry I missed most of the day. Crazy long meetings. I am reading through and will post some thoughts later on. I'll be on a bit tonight but tomorrow will be a more productive day for me here.
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Sorry, F needs to be red too.
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