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17 year-old pro-police white kid drove out there with an AR-15 from two states over and shot some folks. Two people are dead. This kid's life is (almost certainly) ruined. I know for 99% of us, we hear Hannity/Trump give their spittle-flecked lie-filled screeds and we either nod our heads or shake our heads. But this shit isn't harmless. There are people who really believe it. They really think that the Police are in danger. They really think that they need to take up arms against the blacks, or the jews or the muslims, or whomever. It's not a game, as much as a lot of people profit off of it like it were. |
The speed with which we will be told that a Blue Lives Matter kid with a gun has nothing to do with Blue Lives Matter or guns will be impressive, I am sure.
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Yeah, they let him go without questioning. Pretty telling stuff. |
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So this makes it sound like they have an identity and one story says he walked towards tactical vehicles with his hands raised, but he is free? WTF. |
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Far be it from to take up for Police (See my track record in this thread) But the following two vids were posted on a football message board this AM (I dont read this stuff- it just makes me sad)..given this Id say the police we're in fact in danger. Kenosha, Wisconsin: Police Officer Knocked Unconscious After Being Struck In The Head With A Brick - YouTube Business Looted & The Owner Is Savagely Beaten In Kenosha Wisconsin Last Night - YouTube Please dont twist my thoughts, Im not advocating the Blake shooting. That cop should hang. But as a cvilized society we cant accept EITHER action...that of the LEO or shown in these videos. |
Being a police officer is still a relatively safe job. And through all these protests, I think the only deaths have come at the hands of a white supremacist who shot a cop to start a civil war or something.
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just read that. this sentence is interesting..."This kid's life is (almost certainly) ruined." this speaks of pity for this piece of shit. What about the people he shot? THEIR life is ruined. This piece of sh*d kid deserves no sympathy. |
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I get that perspective. But I'm a criminal defense lawyer. "No one is as bad as the worst thing they've done" is part of my DNA. |
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i mean i get the "yeah he's brainwashed by the cult" tragedy of it but that ended when he kills someone |
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It was either that or taking him to Burger King like Dylann Roof. |
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Because they decided to loot and steal and they were shot by a business owner. Sorry no sympathy there. Talk about a Piece of sh*t... edit before I post. Was the shooter the business owner or not? Ive read he was and Ive read that he was just a vigilante looking to shoot someone. Either way. WHole lot of protestors there who didnt get shot. Only one that got shot was a thief not a protestor. Lets not conflate the two. |
17yo kid who came from ILLINOIS with his militia.
Whole lotta protesters who didn't travel two states over to shoot three people. |
Whole lotta protesters in Charlottesville who didn't get mowed down by cars!
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The idiot lives 20 miles from the place where he shot the guy. Let's not sensationalize it with "2 states away" Antioch Il to Kenosha WI. Sounds like he also worked in Kenosha which is why he was there. There are varying stories of the 'business was his familiy's', or 'the business was his friends family's' or similar. This "armed militia" were 3 guys coming to protect their business. Its sucks all around. For sure. I dont agree with shooting the man, but I also dont agree with stealing. And I'm just saying if someone breaks into my home or business and Im there Im shooting and Ill feel no remorse. |
So he drives 20 miles away, at night (weeknight, don't know if Antioch has school yet)...to protect his business? Seems like a stretch. Maybe that will turn out to be the case, or maybe this is people trying to justify his behavior. We'll see when more facts come out. But...he is 17 and open carrying. He allowed to?
Oh, and after this he walks up to the police, still armed, and they drive right by him. They had to detain him later. WTF is that?? |
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To be clear, there definitely was militia and boogaloos in Kenosha. A group called the Kenosha Guard had been hastily put together and descended on Kenosha yesterday with predictable consequences. 17 year olds can not legally open carry in Wisconsin so this kid was breaking the law the second he brandished a weapon. |
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good info. thanks. seriously. That's why I hate the current media situation. I dont feel like anyone gives accurate info with spin. |
Also, the video shows the kid being attacked. This was after he had already murdered somebody. Unclear what led up to the initial shooting.
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good of you to side with the terrorist instead of the victims with your made up anecdote... |
It is legal for someone under 18 to open carry in that state. So while you are pointing out that some people are thieves (we have no clue what the people he shot were doing that night), note that this young man was a criminal himself who committed the murder.
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And apparently the cops believe protestors were violating curfew, but cop supporters weren't.
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It amazes me that people try to search out for all sorts of exculpatory reasons for a white guy who shoots up protestors, but a black guy who gets shot by the cops gets blamed for every little thing he doesn't do perfect.
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No Ive never said that. Dont put those words in my mouth. I specifically said both are wrong. The kid's life is over and I have no remorse for him because he was dumb to go there, illegally carry a weapon, and see what happens. But I also dont think we can ignore that victim 1 was shot inside a store with the front busted out of it. Victim 2 and 3 were attacking the shooter. So it sint like this due was just arbitrarily spraying innocent protestors. Its not a bridge too far to say both were wrong. I dont condone lawlessness and stupidity from ANY PARTY. LEO or "protestor" or vigilante. Hell if you want an eye for an eye lets execute the cop and the 17 year old. Are you happy then? |
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Decent folks on both sides? And yeah, you did. The kid is being charged with 1st degree intentional murder. The 2nd and 3rd victims were running down the street to stop a murderer. Stop trying to make excuses for the white kid who murdered someone. I literally can't remember the last time people who were shot trying to chase down a murderer got blamed for getting shot. |
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Fairly certain the states get brought up because it is a federal crime to carry the weapon over state lines. Also Barr made a big stink about doling out federal charges to anyone crossing state lines to commit crimes. Something this individual would align with. |
This is so, so bad.
Also, there is video of the Police last night telling Militia, including the alleged gunman, "we appreciate you! We really do." And giving them water. You can see the Gunman in the video is the one with the orange pack around his waist and backwards hat, walking around the police videos. He's the killer as per this later photo: https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/u...4d9ade1ff5.jpg
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Holy shit, pretty sure this is not going ease tensions any. Wow.... |
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I literally never said these words. "Decent folks on both sides" In fact is aid the opposite. Criminals on both sides, kill em both. And let me play the game your way, "Stop trying to make excuses for minority criminal who get killed while committing their crimes." |
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Even with all that has been wrong on your statements on this, you are still amazingly clinging to if you steal (which hasn't been shown to even have been the case here!!) you deserve to be executed. And I'm sure you know exactly what the reference to folks on both sides pertains to. |
If you remember the "gun rights" group that CU Tiger supports, his posts make a lot more sense.
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It's Wisconsin, Culvers all the way. |
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1) I dont know what the reference pertains to. Please enlighten me. 2) I dont believe that if you steal you deserve to die, and I dont believe that if you drive drunk you deserve to die. However I do think its a reasonable possible consequence and I dont feel sorry for you if it happens to you. |
Who says the people who were shot were stealing?
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1) Trump Charlottesville 2) That is a morally reprehensible position in is callousness toward life |
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Only CU Tiger (possibly some folks on Twitter I guess) it seems. |
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on second thought my family doesnt need their business out there like that. adios |
The current reports are confusing and I don't know the sequence of events.
In a video it did look as if the kid was assaulted (or was it a different armed person?). No idea if it was in self-defense or not, if it was after he shot someone etc. I'll reserved judgement until things become more clear. * * * * * I will say that if I owned a store and protecting it, I would stay in the store or in the doorway with my weapon out telling folks not to mess with me. If I was assaulted while in my store/doorway, I would have no problem shooting someone (but would try to shoot at the ground first). The kid looked as if he was away from the store and although I would trust a 17 year old with an AR to go hunting, I sure as heck wouldn't trust a 17 year old with protecting my store in a really tense situation (or at least put him in the back of the store). The story will unfold sooner or later. |
I don't know if it will, Edward. This feels like there are going to be two sets of "facts" that are going to be believed by two groups of people. No matter how solid the actual facts might be exposed, those groups are not going to be moved.
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I don't have to call you a racist, you did by stating your views align with a group that finds Timothy McVeigh a hero, speaks at events where blacks are labeled subuman, and rails against the 14th Amendment. A group that proudly donated to a white supremacist group named "Aryan bastions of Canada, Australia, the United States, South Africa and Europe" (or CAUSE for short). A group run by a guy who wanted to give out awards to places that banned Muslims. Someone who blamed the pastor and not Dylann Roof for the slaughter in a church. Who called the Aurora theater shooting a false flag. Not to mention all the veiled talks of the upcoming race war. You stated who your views align with. It's cool you have a black friend or whatever that absolves you of your financial support for that reprehensible group. |
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Let it go. Just ignore him (and others like him) and tell him to ignore your posts. Can't argue with a person whose favorite insult defaults to "you're a non-ADL racist". |
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So if someone was looting your store that you put a lot of hard work into, what would you do? Just let them get away so they can loot another store? |
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Your first impulse is to kill another human? Wouldn't you have insurance? And if you felt the need to confront them, wouldn't using non lethal force be your first resource? Even the people saying it was looters without evidence aren't saying he feared for his life. |
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I'd rather deal with my insurance than a self defense/not guilty plea at a trial, and above all else I'd prefer to not take another human life. |
I am sorry, Nobodyhere. I would never kill someone over "things".
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What "non lethal force" would you use against a looter? And if a person has insurance then they should just let people steal from them?
It's a shame that you put more thought into defending looters than the victims they steal from. |
I don't believe in the death sentence for minor crimes. I am sorry you feel human life has so little value.
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Is looting a minor crime to you? How about arson?
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