Werewolf XXXVI: Resident Evil (S.T.A.R.S. Wins! Post #1424)
 

Well I'm in my new house and the comp and internet seem reliable finally (I really hate moving).

Anywho, this game is based on Resident Evil tho no knowledge of previous games or the movies is required. I think my game will be easily playable by vets and rookies. It's a fairly "straight forward" game, by that I mean everything is spelled out... no roles not mentioned in the rules, no hidden qualities like "can not night kill" (unless specifically mentioned in the rules). I do this because while I enjoy games with twists in them, it generally aggrevates me when these things pop up. Any twists in this game will not mess with what you are told in the rules (and won't break the rules as well), this is why I think that even tho there's a lot of possible roles that it will be enjoyable by both vets and newer players.

Werewolf XXXVI: Raccoon City
It's been years since Raccoon City had been saved by S.T.A.R.S. and the zombie threat eliminated once and for all.
Or so they thought...

Umbrella had been "held in check" by Special Investagator Ben Lewis but Ben has disappeared and not heard from in two weeks. While it is unknown what Mr. Lewis' role was, it was widely known that he had been a member of S.T.A.R.S. and that he had been put in charge of monitoring any "special projects" Umbrella might be running.

Rumors have been swirling in the press about what could be behind recent events: cemetaries being robbed, an increase in murders, increased activity at Umbrella, and yes even talk about the possible reappearance of zombies in our midst.

A quarantine has been put into effect, along with a city wide curfew. All residents of Raccoon City must remain in their homes from sundown until sunrise.


Roles may or may not be in the game.
* = special roles

There are three factions in this game, each with their own winning conditions:

S.T.A.R.S.
You are the elite task force set up by the Raccoon City Police Department. Your skills will be put to the test once again in an effort to save Racoon City from the clucthes of darkness. Your mission is to eliminate the zombie threat and bring the members of Umbrella to justice.

You win when all Zombies are dead, ummm, REALLY dead.

You do not know your teammates and have no PM abilities.

*Police Chief - You are the only member of S.T.A.R.S. that knows the identity of all your fellow members. You still have no PM privileges, you may be good at catching criminals but you suck at email. Role revealing has dire consequences for S.T.A.R.S.

*Internal Affairs - Has the abiltiy to find out one player's faction per night via detective work at the RCPD after hours.

*SWAT Team Leader - Can protect one person per night. 100% block rate unless Nemesis is involved. If attacked by (or protecting the person attacked by) Nemesis, they will die. Can not protect the same person two nights in a row.

*Omega Team Leader - Can interrogate one player at RCPD nightly to find out if they are a member of Umbrella.

*Survalliance Specialist - Can watch one player's home each evening to see whether curfew is being followed.

*Sniper - May attempt a night kill on two different nights. If the sniper kills a member of S.T.A.R.S. or Umbrella then the sniper will take his own life out of guilt.

Zombies

You are the undead. How you were created remains a mystery. You like eating brains, a lot.

You win whem your numbers equal the numbers of S.T.A.R.S. and Umbrella put together.

You know your teammates and have full PM abilities

All zombies have the ability to attempt a night kill. Solo attempts have a 50% success rate. Dual attempts have a 100% success rate. If the kill attempt fails, there's a 12.5% chance of being discovered as the zombie makes it's retreat.

*Nemesis - Must be created via kidnap. Can not be night killed. Has 100% chance of successful solo night kill. If attacking the SWAT Team Leader or the person he is protecting then the kill will be sucessful but role will be revealed.

*Infector - This type of zombie may attempt to infect a player and turn him into a zombie instead of killing him. If target is vaccinated then the Infector loses all ability to attempt to infect future people. Can not use power until night 3. 1st attempt has 100% success rate (if target is not vaccinated). Each successive attempt has the success rated halved. Can
not attempt to infect successive nights.

Umbrella

You are a member of the Umbrella Corporation. What has your company been up to recently?

You win when all S.T.A.R.S. members have been "taken care of"

You know your teammates and have full PM abilities

*Edward Ashford - As the lead scientist at Umbrella in Raccoon City, you have the ability to do research each night in your research facilities. Yes it's a boring ability, but you ARE a scientist.

*James Marcus - May view one player's faction per night by hacking into the Internal Affaris computers from Umbrella HQ.

*Ozwell E Spencer - May attempt to kidnap a player once to turn them into Nemesis. If the person kidnapped is already a zombie then both Ozwell and the zombie will be killed. Can not attempt a kidnap until night 4.

*Umbrella Security - You may protect one Umbrella scientist per night. Can not protect the same scientist on successive nights. If attacked you will die but take out the zombie that attacked you, unless it's Nemesis, then you're screwed.


Abilties With No Faction Bearing

*Vaccinated - Immune to being infected by the zombie virus. How did they come to be immune? Is there a cure?

*Lucky - Day vote counts double as long as the player voted for a member of an opposing faction the previous day.

These abilities are pre-assigned to players but are not visibile to to anyone until player's death.


Once one faction achieves their victory condition the game is over.
Deadlines are 11 PM EST for lynch votes and 9 AM EST for night actions (unless otherwise instructed).
Roles will be revealed upon your brutal death.
Good luck, and watch out for those damn dogs jumping through the window.

There is no player cap, the more the merrier to be quite honest!

Players:
1. Alan T - Killed Night Four - S.T.A.R.S.
2. St Cronin - Lynched Day Three - S.T.A.R.S.
3. Dodgerchick - Lynched Day Six - Umbrella
4. path12 - Snipered Night Four - Zombie
5. ntndeacon - Killed Night Three - S.T.A.R.S.
6. Lathum - Lynched Day Two - Umbrella - Ozwell E Spencer
7. Glengoyne - Lynched Day Four - Zombie Infector
8. Mr. Wednesday
9. Tyrith - Killed Night Two - S.T.A.R.S. - Omega Team Leader
10. Chief Rum - Lynched Day Seven - Zombie
11. Fouts - Killed Night Six - S.T.A.R.S. - Internal Affairs
12. lonestargirl - Killed Night Five - S.T.A.R.S.
13. saldana - Killed Night Two - S.T.A.R.S.
14. SnDvls - Lynched Day Five - Umbrella - Umbrella Security
15. bulletsponge - Lynched Day One - S.T.A.R.S.
16. spleen1015
17. hoopsguy
18. BrianD
19. KWhit - Killed Night One - S.T.A.R.S.

I'll sign up (and maybe if fast enough get in the way of your rules!)

Chubby, is this a short game or for the long one?

Chubby said in the sign up thread that this is a long (main) game, not a short/smaller one.

And by signup thread I meant gm hosting thread, since we're signing up for this here :) But i know you all know what i meant!

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Well depends on the players :) but it's for the next long one.

I'm in.

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I think rather than calling it short/long we should call it main/side or large/small. Theoretically we could have larger games go a short period of time.

I am sorry to be sitting this one out, as my work schedule makes it prohobitive, at the moment, to be committing to a WW game.

I'm not quite ready to step up to the "big leagues" but am having a lot of fun with WW. I'll be watching this one from the outside. One more small game and I may make the plunge.

Sign me up

Go for it -- the water's fine.

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And yeah Neuqua, the best way to learn is to actually play. You can't get the same learning experience without getting the reactions of the more experienced players as things happen. Also, it seems like lots of people will have PM abilities in this game, so there's a pretty decent chance you'll wind up on one of those teams and get to talk to a vet as the game is actually going on.

I also would like to point out that I don't think the big/complex games are any harder than the simple/small games.

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I'll join.

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put me in coach

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I'll jump in again

Chubby, when are you expecting to start the game? Also, are you planning to post on the main board to see if there is any interest beyond the people who visit here?

If we are starting later in the week I'm definitely in. If we are starting Monday I'm probably still in but will be very busy early in the game.

Vote hoops...


oh too early for that I guess.

Two minutes from my tentative sign-up - that may be a new record.

I would have done it sooner but was distracted trying to figure out if I really want to keep playing the new railroads game.

hoopa - I plan on sending out roles tomorrow night (tues) and starting wed.

Sign me up, I guess.

I'm in.

Vote ALL VILLAGERS FROM TOMBSTONE

whew, I avoided this one then.

edited because At's game is still going on

I'll join if there is room.

Of course there's room, no player cap. The bigger the game the better :)

Chubby, don't miss hoops sign up before Brian's.

I'll play.

when are we starting

Looks like wednesday.

chubby, the rules say role reveals go bad for STARS under the captains role. Is that if the captain reveals peoples roles or if any members of STARS reveal?

Lathum - If the Police Chief reveals it's bad news for S.T.A.R.S. there's no consequences if the other members of S.T.A.R.S. reveal since Police Chief is kinda special.

Can the police chief not even put out trust/untrust lists either? Or are they simply prevented from coming out and saying "I am the police chief and player X, Y and Z are good guys?

Ahh today is passing too slowly without any WW to read or participate in.

Alan - That's something that I would discuss with the PC if they are in the game. I don't want the PC to just come out and go "I trust..." and rattle of 10+ names...

the problem with that, is even if it was allowed those folks would soon be executed, either by Lynching (2/3 to 1/3) or night actions. At the very least it would cause the STARS not to win.

I was assuming due to the handicaps, that the STARS would have more people than the other two "bad" teams.

I guess that makes me rethink the game dynamics a bit. Coming into this pre-roles I had figured it was like 50% of the players were STARS (roled or non-roled good guys). I think we have to assume that there are non-roled people on teams due to there not being enough roles to cover the players.

Stars win when zombies are eliminated (typical good vs bad)
Umbrella wins when the Stars are eliminated (Alternate evil team)
Zombies win when their numbers equal the numbers of other teams combined (typical bad guy winning conditions)

I think the Umbrella team is whats confusing this in my head, how they fit in. With about 20 people, I think seeing 3-4 Zombies would be about right. THat leaves 15-16 or so for the other two teams.

I would assume normally that based on winning conditions you would have an equal number of stars and Umbrella members. The catch however is it seems the Umbrella team has advantages over the Stars, so that likely is made up in raw numbers. Perhaps 9 stars, 7 Umbrella and 4 zombies roughly is what we are looking at.

If so, this makes it pretty interesting to start, do people come out and say they are a basic villager? :) If you do, you'll have more than 50% of the people after you.

Maybe 10-6-4 is more realistic and would fit my 50% model that I had stuck in my head...

But I'm babbling.

These posts do not count.

Thats why Im getting my posts out of the way now. When the game starts, I'm going to be a low key player with very low posts staying under the radar.

I hope I end up on your team and you have to find some way to weasel out of this!

I want to come out right now and say that I'm Pro Lynch. I've waffled on the fence, and probably will again throughout this game. I just want to state for the record that I'm Anti-Lynch.

We will have to agree to disagree then!

No, they REALLY dont count.

I guess this is alot like War games then. The only way to win is to just not play!

Bah! That's easy.

UNLYNCH Alan T

The hasn't started, so no harm done. :D

That should be easy, as I'm having trouble agreeing with myself.

I disagree

Alan, I never thought I would say this about another person in this forum, but ... you need to get a hobby to tide you over between werewolf games :)

As I don't think it was spelled out in the rules:

You must vote to lynch each day
A tie vote results in no lynch

Work is my hobby between WW games. I've been on the phone with Cisco support all day though in regards to some failed hardware that I have, so been somewhat a slow day for me :)

I see Alan is already woking the. I've posted more than so and so angle. He's skewing the numbers too early. We'll just have to adjust his posts here. Always see his post numbers and subtract 50. :)

I'm going to get my post count up to 100 before day 1 starts and then disappear for like 5 days. I'll come back and people won't even know I'm playing and say I've been playing under the radar. I then will say how can I be playing under the radar if I have 101 posts??

Roles will be sent out tonight when I get back from pitch :)

Day one deadline will be 11pm EST Wednesday.

Roles have been randomly assigned via random.org. PMs are in the process of being sent

woo!

Sweetness!

sweet, need more werewolf.

Excellent! Werewolf is good for the soul. Paranoia all the way around.

My brains are not at all tasty, for the record. Please do not eat them.

As I understand the rules, the Star police chief's only power is that he knows who is who. I think there is a way we can get him to show himself, but, obviously, it's way too early for that.

Some other thoughts:

Best case for Stars is for the zombies to eat umbrella at night. Umbrella is obviously going to try to fit in with the Stars.

All PMs are sent, if anyone has questions you can always ask me in PM.

Note: Abilities luck and vaccinated are not known to players.

Why would we want him to show himself? Wouldn't that make him a target for either Umbrella or the zombies?

Yes, of course. That's why I said we wouldn't want him to reveal himself NOW. It's an end game, or near end-game, play.

Well Stars want the zombies dead, Umbrella wants stars dead and zombies want everyone dead.

Stars members care more about killing zombies than Umbrella members, however I think that there is very little reason to not kill umbrella members too even though it doesn't necessarily push the stars closer to the winning condition, it gets rid of one of the teams that will be aiming for the stars to die.

Umbrella members benefit by having the zombies around to an extent, because the zombies help umbrella reach their goal of killing off the stars. Umbrella members just have to try to avoid getting sacked by the zombies themselves. I think Umbrella's strategy will be to go after stars alone and leave the zombies.

Zombies I think don't care necessarily who they kill to start. Obviously if one team is running lower than the other later in the game, they will try to kill off the winning team to prevent them from meeting their winning condition.

So my guess for early game strats will be:

Stars -> kill anyone not stars
Umbrella -> focus on stars alone
Zombies -> Kill anyone.

Key nights as I see for us this game will be:

Night 3 - First night the Zombies can infect someone. Target who is vaccinated will be immune to this.

Night 4 - Umbrella can kidnap someone to turn into the nemesis. They'll likely work with their team mates to identify a good target the first three nights.

Night 5 - Second night the Zombies can try to infect someone not vaccinated. (at 1/2 the success rate of previous success on night 3 if they had success)


So some key questions we have to figure out:

1) How many of each team do we think there are? earlier I said 10-6-4 but after reading more and seeing the possibilitiy of 2 converts on the zombies team (or even more maybe), and only 19 players I would think its either 10-6-3 or 11-5-3 right now.

2) Being Vaccinated seems to be something pretty important, and will be a focus of this game as we get to days 3+


I guess my biggest curiosity will be how people will come out at the beginning.

Role received, I'm good to go. :)

Although, nobody seems to know who is vaccinated, so it looks as though it will work as a random mechanic to interfere with zombie attempts to convert.

I think 3 zombies sounds right, maybe even 2.

Ambiguously. ;)

Seriously, I think you have a pretty solid analysis of the early strategies. I'm not sure about numbers. With the number of players in the game I can't imagine more than three zombies.......but I'm kind of stuck on the stars/umbrella breakdown.

Technically, I would disagree. Because of the following:



Seems to me that even an end game strategy a reveal might be a bit bad for the chief.

Unless some people start out vaccinated perhaps.

Do we know if all roles are in the game?

Nope, we don't

If I'm understanding correctly it sounds like the vaccinated trait is already assigned but those players are not yet aware of it.

There are ways to role reveal without role revealing. For example, the police chief could vote for a different player not on his list each day. Some other possibilities have occured to me, as well. It's a difficult mechanic, to be sure, but one I think we need to exploit.

Of course, if we give this away it also gives the bad guys a chance to drop some hints that maybe one of them is the chief, especially because the chief can't just identify himself as who he is. Thus, we need to tread lightly for a while, until we get some voting records.

My thought on how the Chief should play is different than that a tad.

The Chief can't reveal, but all roles are revealed on death. Obviously the Chief is of its most use in death, but if he doesn't live long enough to get his message across then he becomes rather nullified.

The reason I asked Chubby what I did before roles were revealed is obviously I am guessing Chubby won't let him just come out and say I distrust: (Everyone except his list of good guys). So my guess is the chief wants to last as long as possible, and once he is dead it would be important to go and look and see who he did -not- vote for moreso than who he did vote for.

The chief won't know who are zombies vs umbrella, but he sure will know who his team is. That will help Stars members prevent themselves from killing off their own at some point.

The only addition I would add to your strategy post Alan is I think that the Zombies might be better off with going after the Umbrellas early . since having the umbrellas out of the game won't hurt the Zombies where as getting rid of a lot of Stars could make it easier for the umbrellas to win.

I doubt they will intentionally try to do that. I think they want Spencer (umbrella) to kidnap someone to make the nemesis, since as I read it, the nemesis is on the zombie team.

The big question however is how will they know who is umbrella vs who is stars?

I am guessing the zombies will just go after anyone not them. They'll try to take out people similar to what normal bad guys do in games strategy wise. I think they are the ones least changed by having three factions.

In this game it seems like you just have to kill everyone that isn't on your team. Us STARS guys would optimally just kill zombies, but we have to play defense against Umbrella. Umbrella would prefer to let the zombies run around and eat away at the STARS majority but they also have to look after themselves in the long run. Although, actually, Umbrella probably can't win without zombies doing most of the work because they have to kill ALL STARS members. The wild card being, of course, what kind of "research" is going on.

And of course zombies need to kill anyone and everything that isn't on their side. ZOMBIE -- EAT FLESH

Advantage for STARS is that we have plenty of seer/witness type powers available plus a hunter. Considering the numbers in this game I have to believe STARS has all of its roles in the game. Zombies absolutely have at least one infector. Umbrella probably has all its named roles and the BG too, especially seeing that the BG isn't particularly powerful.

It's gonna be interesting, however it goes.

Yeah, zombies have no way of targeting any particular faction unless we feed them the information, and at that point it'll be late enough in the game they will be doing whatever they need to be doing anyway.

Umbrella needs to have all of STARS "taken care of". I wonder if there are some additional options there beyond killed and zombified?

Unless it has something to do with the research I don't see any. Chubby was pretty clear there wasn't going to be secret crap beyond things specifically hidden in the rules.

I agree that they won't be able choose which faction is eaten first. And The Zombies do want to keep around the kidnapper. Even though there are more Stars now than the other two( or so we think.) If the Stars members get a little low they will have to watch who they eat to keep the Umbrellas from winning.

Why would the umbrella go through with the kidnapping? I don't see an upside for them.

More zombies = more dead STARS. There's also the "research" thing I keep coming back to; who knows what it could be, but there hast o be some reason.