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Chubby 12-06-2003 08:02 PM

Oklahoma-K State
 
14-7 K St at the moment wow!

Calis 12-06-2003 08:04 PM

Go 'Cats!

Woohoo!

Man, I figured we'd already be getting smoked in this one. The Defense is holding up very well, and we've got a couple of big plays, can they keep it up? Doubtful, but here's to wishing. :D

Chubby 12-06-2003 08:10 PM

K State has made some boneheaded plays too (umm that "punt") and still they lead...

go wildcats, USC will be #1 in the polls and not play for the title :)

Calis 12-06-2003 08:12 PM

Yeah, we've got lucky even with some dumb mistakes...I can't see that holding out though against OU though.

We could be up by 35 and I'd still expect us to lose, I just can't see OU getting beat.

Would love to see it though, be a very happy day to see KSU in a BCS bowl, although we have a pretty poor track record in bowls in general.

Scarecrow 12-06-2003 08:19 PM

Wow another K-State Fan!!!! Thought it was just me and NoMyths.


Some 'listeneing music'


:D :D :D

sterlingice 12-06-2003 08:26 PM

From a student at the Tangerine Bowl bound Kansas Jayhawks, go OU! :D We take our victories where we can get them and the Tagnerine bowl is a victory for us.

Anyways, does it look like K-State just wants this game more than OU. OU seems a bit disinterested.

SI

Chubby 12-06-2003 08:26 PM

PICKED IN THE ENDZONE!

and white is hurt too

go k state

Calis 12-06-2003 08:28 PM

Wow! There are other Kansas State fans on this board?

Sheesh, I thought I was completely alone here, good to see some others have seen the light!

We dodged another bullet there, and White looks hurt...this is going to be interesting.

davidlando1 12-06-2003 08:29 PM

What happens to the BCS if Oklahoma loses?? Who beat KSU earlier this year? Will that then affect OU as it might affect USC? (Syracuse vs. Notre Dame) to quote Vince Lombardi "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON OUT HERE??"

Chubby 12-06-2003 08:30 PM

i'm not really a k state fan but i'm a fan of the BCS getting blown up which 3 one loss teams won't hurt. especially when the #1 in both polls (if OU loses) won't even be in the title game.

TD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21-7

VPI97 12-06-2003 08:30 PM

21-7 LOL

Calis 12-06-2003 08:30 PM

I'm in tears over here!

OU, meet Darren Sproles...Darren Sproles, this is OU's Defense.

sterlingice 12-06-2003 08:31 PM

Wow! I've seen Sproles in a few games this year and this is really his best looking game. It's like he knew everyone would be watching and wanted to help out his NFL stock so he picked it up a step.

SI

davidlando1 12-06-2003 08:36 PM

ah! i've figured it out on my trusty mac....if OU loses, then Navy plays Michigan State in the Sugar Bowl..thank god that's over, i was getting confused for a second... ;)

General Mike 12-06-2003 08:42 PM

Go Cats! Go Sproles!

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 08:44 PM

Texas is probably pretty pissed off right now...

sterlingice 12-06-2003 08:47 PM

Wow- didn't Stoops just sound like "If we hadn't given up those boneheaded plays on defense, we'd still be toying with them right now"?

SI

Calis 12-06-2003 08:47 PM

No kidding, sucks for Texas to go out like this if it holds up..

That being said, I'm not too worried about them. :D

Man, I just can't believe this...a team that is known for not being able to hang with big teams is right now sticking it to a team considered one of the best for years.

I still ain't holding my breath, I have little faith in my 'Cats.

Chubby 12-06-2003 08:49 PM

HOLY CRAP!

Some guy just threw a 30 yd pass throw a Dr Pepper can to win $400,000 during halftime of the CBS game!

sterlingice 12-06-2003 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chubby
HOLY CRAP!

Some guy just threw a 30 yd pass throw a Dr Pepper can to win $400,000 during halftime of the CBS game!



Slower... and in English ;)

SI

VPI97 12-06-2003 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Calis
Man, I just can't believe this...a team that is known for not being able to hang with big teams is right now sticking it to a team considered one of the best for years.

I still ain't holding my breath, I have little faith in my 'Cats.

You sound like me talking about my Hokies. Our season may not have lived up to lofty pre-season expectations...but we were able to take down big, bad Miami in a year we really shouldn't have. Anything is possible in college football.

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 08:54 PM

That guy made Cris Carter's Thank You Jesus speeches sound tame.

Schmidty 12-06-2003 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chubby
HOLY CRAP!

Some guy just threw a 30 yd pass throw a Dr Pepper can to win $400,000 during halftime of the CBS game!



Predictable Christian bashing coming in 3....2....1......

Edit: Just as I suspected.

Chubby 12-06-2003 09:00 PM

WTF

the same promotion is happening during the halftime of the k st - OU game

Balldog 12-06-2003 09:03 PM

Holy shiot I just got home from the MSU-OU bball game, this is awesome!

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 09:05 PM

I guess Jesus wasn't on the other guy's side.

Bashing? No. I'm a Christian. I just wonder if that guy blames Jesus when bad things happen to him.

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 09:09 PM

Actually, I think all this means is that Jesus watches CBS, not ABC, on Saturday nights. Or maybe he's an SEC fan.

Chubby 12-06-2003 09:11 PM

I would love to see some follow up to see if he really donates any money to those charities he was going on about.

Schmidty 12-06-2003 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I guess Jesus wasn't on the other guy's side.

Bashing? No. I'm a Christian. I just wonder if that guy blames Jesus when bad things happen to him.



Wow!!! I've never heard that one before!!!

Chubby 12-06-2003 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Schmidty
Wow!!! I've never heard that one before!!!


Really? I'm surprised!

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chubby
I would love to see some follow up to see if he really donates any money to those charities he was going on about.


He seemed sincere. I'm sure he will.

I don't want to get into a religion debate, but IMO, religion is a personal thing, and I find it distasteful when people publicize their relationship with God. I don't want to know why your God is so great for you. That's one of the things about Christianity that I've always been uncomfortable with. I've had numerous discussions with The Big Guy about this very issue in the process of sorting out my religious beliefs. He knows where I stand on the issue, and I haven't seen the inside of lightning bolt yet.

vex 12-06-2003 09:19 PM

Dicarloooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Calis 12-06-2003 09:20 PM

Woohoo! OU missed another FG.

It might just happen! OU just looks very blech right now.

If K-State could pull off another big play here, then I could finally start believing. ;)

Calis 12-06-2003 09:27 PM

Man, maybe Sproles will get some national recognition now. Never seem to hear anything on him.

Kid is tearing up Oklahoma's Defense right now.

VPI97 12-06-2003 09:30 PM

Boomer Sooner


hee hee

Chubby 12-06-2003 09:30 PM

TOUCHDOWN!!!!

The_herd 12-06-2003 09:31 PM

Game over??????

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 09:31 PM

hmm. They are #15 now, but does that mean they are #15 in the BCS? If they end up winning this game , in a decisive manner, they should get a BCS game.

Calis 12-06-2003 09:32 PM

WOOOHOOO!!!!

Oh man, I know A LOT of OU fans who will be hearing from me at work come Monday. :D

I just can't believe how well KSU is running against OU. This is unbelievable.

VPI97 12-06-2003 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
hmm. They are #15 now, but does that mean they are #15 in the BCS? If they end up winning this game , in a decisive manner, they should get a BCS game.
They'll be conference champs...auto-BCS

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_herd
Game over??????


Nah, not even close. Still a whole quarter and Oklahoma can put up some points quickly. But nonetheless its a good sign.

sterlingice 12-06-2003 09:32 PM

No way I'm listening to 810 on Monday now. Kietzman is going to be unsufferable even if the 'Cats meltdown and somehow find a way to lose.

SI

The_herd 12-06-2003 09:32 PM

The winner gets a BCS bid regardless.

Calis 12-06-2003 09:32 PM

They get a BCS game no matter what if they win this one.

Scarecrow 12-06-2003 09:33 PM

They will get an automatic birth b/c they'll be the BIG XII CHAMPS!!!

Scarecrow 12-06-2003 09:35 PM

I do have a serious question, though....

If Sproles is the NCAA leader in rushing and all-pourpose yards, why isn't he being considered for the Heisman?

Calis 12-06-2003 09:38 PM

he plays for Kansas State...

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 09:39 PM

Thanks guys, I'm a little out of date with all of this BCS stuff.

Scarecrow 12-06-2003 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Texas is probably pretty pissed off right now...


2 words - Horns Maniac :D

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 09:43 PM

I hope this doesn't mean FSU will have to play OU. Even with their performance tonight, they've been the class of college football this year, and I fear a blowout. I'd much rather take on Mack Brown, since he was so successful with those "dominating" NC teams against FSU.

Calis 12-06-2003 09:44 PM

From what I had heard, I would think K-State would play Florida State, but I really have no clue how it'll work out.

Noop 12-06-2003 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I hope this doesn't mean FSU will have to play OU. Even with their performance tonight, they've been the class of college football this year, and I fear a blowout. I'd much rather take on Mack Brown, since he was so successful with those "dominating" NC teams against FSU.


Yep I fear we would get out coached by OU, Michigan, Miami, or whoever we play besides Texas which doesnt look like they're going to get in.


:)

noop

sachmo71 12-06-2003 09:47 PM

Down with OU!

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 09:47 PM

Personally, I also fear a matchup with Michigan, since I was born in Detroit and would probably have to root for UM in that game. I remember the last time they played FSU, around 91 or 92. I think FSU put up 50+ points on them. I don't see that happening this time around...

sterlingice 12-06-2003 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ksyrup
I hope this doesn't mean FSU will have to play OU. Even with their performance tonight, they've been the class of college football this year, and I fear a blowout. I'd much rather take on Mack Brown, since he was so successful with those "dominating" NC teams against FSU.


I'm pretty sure they will still be in the Sugar Bowl against either LSU or USC and that's why they've looked so lackluster today. This game is basically worthless to OU. However, by losing, all those "best teams of all time" comparasions have gone down the tubes. Shame because this team looked a lot better than the one that won it all and went undefeated a couple of years ago.

SI

VPI97 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

its all over

Chubby 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

GAME OVER :) pick for TD K State

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

title hopes up in smoke

Calis 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

This could end up being one of the happiest days of my life...oh it's a good feeling.

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

Does this really screw Oklahoma?

sachmo71 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

WHOOO!!! That's a nail in the coffin! :)

Ahhhh...I love college football!

The_herd 12-06-2003 09:51 PM

Over yet????

sterlingice 12-06-2003 09:52 PM

So, did anyone win any money on this game?

SI

VPI97 12-06-2003 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sterlingice
I'm pretty sure they will still be in the Sugar Bowl against either LSU or USC and that's why they've looked so lackluster today. This game is basically worthless to OU.
That would be so wrong. OU gets in because they were #1 all year? At least LSU & USC didn't get their asses handed to them by anyone.

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sterlingice
I'm pretty sure they will still be in the Sugar Bowl against either LSU or USC and that's why they've looked so lackluster today. This game is basically worthless to OU. However, by losing, all those "best teams of all time" comparasions have gone down the tubes. Shame because this team looked a lot better than the one that won it all and went undefeated a couple of years ago.

SI



Yeah, the Mark Richt Bowl - the one where he decided to ditch FSU during preparations for the championship to take the GA job - but still kept his old job and didn't do jack squat.

I don't see how OU can be ranked higher than 3rd after this game. LSU and USC won, they should move up. Now, if that happens, shouldn't that be enough to knock OU out of the big game?

RendeR 12-06-2003 09:54 PM

I doubt this really hurts Oklahoma's shot at the title, but what it will do is give a HUGE boost of confidence to the team they face and be a huge letdown for a sooner team that looked unbeatable until today.


Sucks to be a sooner fan tonight, GLAD I"M NOT ONE!!!

Go K-State, " Run it UP! Leave no doubt!!"

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 09:54 PM

Can someone please break down the potential BCS matchup's for all of this please.

Calis 12-06-2003 09:54 PM

Hmm, man this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

I still don't get how OU drops out of the Sugar Bowl..they have a huge lead in the BCS polls right? And the most they'd drop is 3rd in the polls, which I don't think they should, but that's another story.

So how does this work?

The_herd 12-06-2003 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ksyrup
Now, if that happens, shouldn't that be enough to knock OU out of the big game?


Its all going to be up to the computers. God only knows what the New York Times computer will spit out this week....

Noop 12-06-2003 09:55 PM

I dont know if TroyF is reading but I believe I said OU would be alittle big headed going into the National Championship guess I was wrong they were big headed going into the Conference Championship.

:)

noop

Craptacular 12-06-2003 09:58 PM

The computers and SOS will probably keep OU at least #2.

Scarecrow 12-06-2003 09:59 PM

It will be up to the AP and USA Today polls more than the computers and SOS.

sterlingice 12-06-2003 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_herd
Its all going to be up to the computers. God only knows what the New York Times computer will spit out this week....


That's for damn sure. Sagarin, too, sometimes.

Quote:

Originally posted by VPI97
That would be so wrong. OU gets in because they were #1 all year? At least LSU & USC didn't get their asses handed to them by anyone.

I'll buy the "didn't get their asses handed to them" argument to a point but please don't tell me they should get bumped down to 3 just because they lost this week instead of 6 weeks ago. That's so backasswards, you'd probably get your own computer poll.

No, they get in because they had the same one loss as everyone else and played the hardest schedule. Not only that but if you want to talk about asskickings, a lot of their wins were more convincing than those other two teams, particularly LSU.

SI

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
Can someone please break down the potential BCS matchup's for all of this please.

  • The teams want the lowest points total.
  • Okahoma will GAIN 1 point for the loss
  • Oklahoma will GAIN points equal to the ranks they drop (I'm guessing they will drop to 3, adding 2 points to their total).
  • USC should move to #1, losing 1 point for the rank increase
  • LSU will gain 1 point, moving from 3 to 2 in the rankings

Based off of the things we KNOW right now, the rankings would look like this:

1. Oklahoma 5.06
2. USC 5.90
3. LSU 7.43

what can change that?
  • Oklahoma falling below #3 in the voters polls
  • Oklahoma losing their unanimous #1 computer ranking
  • LSU will also have up to .4 ADDED to their number for knocking Georgia out of the "quality win category."

USC is a lock for the title game, and will probably be #1 going in. LSU really needs OU to drop below 3 in the rankings to have a legit chance.

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Calis
Hmm, man this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

I still don't get how OU drops out of the Sugar Bowl..they have a huge lead in the BCS polls right? And the most they'd drop is 3rd in the polls, which I don't think they should, but that's another story.

So how does this work?



They have a huge lead because they are a unanimous #1 in the polls ad have no losses. Obviously, all that changes after tonight. Whether it's enough to knock them below #2 in the combination of polls and computers is anyone's guess. Well, I supposed Kickstand has probably got it figured out, but for the rest of us mere mortals...

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 10:02 PM

All I have to say after watching these pretty lackluster (at least in terms of suspense) games is...

Bring on Boise St. and Hawaii at 11:30 BABY!!!!

Craptacular 12-06-2003 10:02 PM

USC is not a lock. They need OU to be in-between them and LSU in the polls. I think OU is too strong in the computers and SOS. LSU will likely be ahead of USC in 6 or all 7 of the computers.

sterlingice 12-06-2003 10:02 PM

Good analysis, cthomer5000! :D

I will add one thing, tho. A lot of people were saying that LSU jumps past USC in quite a few computer polls because their strength of schedule is now stronger with the Georgia game and with the result of the Syracuse-Notre Dame game.

Really, now it's all a giant crap shoot unless you've got the NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, etc algorithms on your desktop to see how this affects all 3. I doubt Oklahoma keeps #1 in all computer polls, for instance.

SI

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craptacular
USC is not a lock. They need OU to be in-between them and LSU in the polls. I think OU is too strong in the computers and SOS. LSU will likely be ahead of USC in 6 or all 7 of the computers.


USC is currently beating LSU in 4 of 7 computers, so I don't see how your analysis is correct. USC is a lock.

Craptacular 12-06-2003 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sterlingice

Really, now it's all a giant crap shoot unless you've got the NY Times, Sagarin, Seattle Times, etc algorithms on your desktop to see how this affects all 3. I doubt Oklahoma keeps #1 in all computer polls, for instance.

SI



I have actually spent quite a bit of time researching this stuff. I know at least 1 or 2 of the computer polls factor in WHEN YOU LOSE, much like human voters. If they didn't, I think OU would be strong enough to remain #1 in all of them. They still might, but it's going to be very interesting.

Chubby 12-06-2003 10:08 PM

damn that was a huge hole off the right side of the line

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 10:08 PM

I know this will have no effect on anything, but

In my opinion, teams that are NOT conference champs should not be eligible for the national title.

Craptacular 12-06-2003 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
USC is currently beating LSU in 4 of 7 computers, so I don't see how your analysis is correct. USC is a lock.


LSU is facing a team that is highly ranked and 10-1 in the computers' "eyes", compared to a 7-4 Oregon St team. They WILL gain substantial ground on USC, and pass them in most, if not all, of the rankings.

Ksyrup 12-06-2003 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
I know this will have no effect on anything, but

In my opinion, teams that are NOT conference champs should not be eligible for the national title.



I agree, although every conference that gets an automatic BCS bid should have a championship game in order to make it fair.

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Craptacular
LSU is facing a team that is highly ranked and 10-1 in the computers' "eyes", compared to a 7-4 Oregon St team. They WILL gain substantial ground on USC, and pass them in most, if not all, of the rankings.


Alright, I'll give you that. But USC will do no worse than finish 3rd in the computer polls (possibly averaging about 2.5 as they do now), even if LSU jumps them in most CPU's. They have 1.5 points to give to LSU right now, and LSU will lose it's quality win bonus for defeating Georgia (sucks for them).


LSU might make it close, but they will not pass USC. Their only hope appears to be OU plummiting to 4th or worse in the human polls.

Noop 12-06-2003 10:14 PM

Good News!!!

Florida State is still the ONLY team to go wire to wire.

That is all

:)

noop

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 10:15 PM

God this is turning into a very sloppy drive

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 10:17 PM

I think the human rankings are the biggest question here. This beating OU is taking is really not helping things. I would guess that OU is penciled in at #3 right now, but is there any chance Michigan ends up ranked ahead of OU?

Craptacular 12-06-2003 10:18 PM

FYI on the current computers:

AH: OU .820, LSU .765, USC .757
Bil: OU 341.420, USC 296.665, LSU 288.112
Col: OU .96392, USC .86699, OSU .86010, LSU .85247
Mas: OU 5.047, LSU 4.568, OSU 4.463, USC 4.428
NYT: OU 1.000, Mich .945, USC .945, Texas .933, LSU .925
Sag: OU 97.60, LSU 89.05, USC 88.91
Wol: OU 8.120, USC 6.848, LSU 6.763

From what I've read, Colley is the ranking most likely to keep USC ahead of LSU, but Syracuse's win helps LSU.

Calis 12-06-2003 10:25 PM

237 yards rushing against OU's defense, that ain't bad.

EDIT: oops, was off by 2.

Craptacular 12-06-2003 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
Alright, I'll give you that. But USC will do no worse than finish 3rd in the computer polls (possibly averaging about 2.5 as they do now), even if LSU jumps them in most CPU's. They have 1.5 points to give to LSU right now, and LSU will lose it's quality win bonus for defeating Georgia (sucks for them).


LSU might make it close, but they will not pass USC. Their only hope appears to be OU plummiting to 4th or worse in the human polls.



Just look at it from the perspective of total points, not the difference now. Assume USC is #1 in both polls and LSU is #2. 1 point lead for USC.

SOS: LSU will either be ahead by 0.08 (Hawaii wins) or 0.20 (Boise St wins).

Computers: Since we don't know where OU will end up, this is REALLY tough to figure right now. However, if LSU is ahead in all 7, they will be at least 1 point ahead of USC.

QW: Georgia could stay at #10 (ahead of Miami of Ohio) in the BCS rankings before QW points are awarded, so they could still give 0.1 points to LSU.

Depending on the computers, the QW points may not matter when it comes to USC vs. LSU.

Chubby 12-06-2003 10:27 PM

Hopefully teams #2 and #3 are tied in the BCS rankings :)

Easy Mac 12-06-2003 10:27 PM

Since when has Bill Snyder been considered a coaching genious? What has he won before that makes him a coaching genious? I swear, Brent and his boy toy have to be giving eachother bj's in the booth for as much as they orgasm.

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chubby
Hopefully teams #2 and #3 are tied in the BCS rankings :)


how about a three way tie?

sterlingice 12-06-2003 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
how about a three way tie?


That would be much more entertaining.

SI

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 10:31 PM

Why do coaches sometimes have to act like assholes when their interviewed at the end of the game/half? Is it that hard just to answer a few easy questions in a civil manner?

cthomer5000 12-06-2003 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Philliesfan980
Why do coaches sometimes have to act like assholes when their interviewed at the end of the game/half? Is it that hard just to answer a few easy questions in a civil manner?



That was one of the worst "interviews" I've ever seen. Jim Rome-Jim Everett remains #1. This one was more awkward though.

Craptacular 12-06-2003 10:34 PM

Oh yeah ... sorry Texas.

Philliesfan980 12-06-2003 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cthomer5000
That was one of the worst "interviews" I've ever seen. Jim Rome-Jim Everett remains #1. This one was more awkward though.


I have to agree with you there (That Jim "Chris" Everett was the best). I mean comon, lighten up a little, you just won the Big 12 championship over the #1 team in the country, have some fun.


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