Hoffman news confrence expected shortly--Barnett out in CU?
 

Should be in the next couple of minutes here in Colorado.

Local Denver news is repotring this is pretty much a done deal as the lawyers meeting was this afternoon.


BTW---Let the Frank Solich rumors begin now!

Who cares, she couldn't even kick it through the uprights, she got harassed because she sucked at football.

That coach is an assclown.

they literally should throw all his stuff out on the lawn and kick his ass to the curb.

9pm PST is very late

I think they are trying to time it so they can be live during the 10 o'clock news. It is all about the media.

imagine that exactly 10:00 Hoffman has just sit down to the microphone

Barnett has been suspended without pay because of his remarks about that stupid bitch kicker.

Tell me you're kidding.

Which remarks?

I hope you have daughters.

The remarks in which he said she was "a terrible kicker." They said that was an inappropoiate response to comment on her skill.

Now, please remember that she was "Verbally" raped by another team member.---My guess is the term "Bitch" was used.

Uh, no, she was physically raped by another team member. She was constantly verbally and physically abused by the rest of the team, at practice. The rape was not at practice.

Only suspended???

Well, within the context of the situation, do you feel that his commenting on her athletic prowess was appropriate?

And yes, she was physically raped by a teammate.

Click here for the ESPN story detailing the account.

Remember, the actions are because of what he said, not what happened in the program. They are gonna investigate and this should get him out of the way for a total overhaul of the program.

Slick Rick is leaving his mark where he goes isn't he? UW and CU are close to getting the death penalty.

Exactly. I don't have a daughter but I can feel the rage emitting from decent fathers around the country after reading the Rick Reilly CNN/SI story. The poor girl's father tried to get Barnett to stop the harassment and he didn't do a damn thing. Barnett should be kicked out of college football forever. Too bad most of the players probably aren't playing football anymore because I'd like to see some of those involved kicked off the team. Time to lock up some Colorado players. I hope they find enough evidence to lock up all the players accused of all these rapes.

Frankly, this remark is way, way out of line. Barnett should be suspended. In fact, he should have been fired. I don't care if she couldn't kick her way out of a paper bag. This ceased to be a discussion about her athletic ability (or lack thereof), the moment the word "rape" entered the picture.

Frankly, Taur, you should be ashamed of yourself. :mad:

Good heavens. These rank among some of the most irresponsible comments I've ever seen on this board. And that's really saying something.

Taur, I think you'd do well to review your opinions on this matter. They are, as WussGawd said, way, way out of line.

Oops, it should he has been suspended "With" pay.

Q: What kind of player was she.

A: She was a terrible player. One of the worst kickers.

I still do not know why this is an inapropiate comment for a Head Football coach.

If she was so terrible, why did he keep her on the team? I don't know Gary Barnett at all, obviously, but it sounds like he's just so damn tired of his football program being exposed that he decided to attack the most vulnerable person he could. Unfortunately, that person happened to be someone who's (allegedly) been raped. He did not have to go there. This isn't necessarily about WHAT he said. It's about WHEN he said it, and I think it was very, very poor judgment on his part. If he had said that about her when she left Colorado a few years ago, it may have just seemed like sour grapes. Now it looks like he's trying to tear down her credibility. Excuse me, but when a woman says she's been raped, unless you have any evidence whatsoever to the contrary, it seems less than apropos (or, more accurately, just plain shitty) to attack her credibility at first opportunity.

Well, when you take the comment out of context as you have done here, it does not seem to be an inappropriate comment; however, this is one situation where you cannot take the comment out of context and still comprehend the man's ignorance.

For the coach to make a comment on the kicker's athletic ability when the word "rape" is being batted around is utterly irresponsible and at the very least raises many questions about the man's maturity level, his level of involvement with his program, even his understanding of what really matters in this situation.

If you are still feel that those who have posted in this thread are angered by your quote about the kicker's ability, then you've sadly missed the point of our responses to your "bitch" comment.

So, why isn't anyone blaming the reporter who asked the question about her football skill?

Reporters can ask whatever they want; its up to Barnett to choose which ones he answers. In this case, he made a very bad decision.

Regardless, the reporter should not be held accountable for Barnett's behavior.

And why on earth would you call her a bitch?

Did he really need to come out and say that she sucked after she reported being raped?

And another thing, how does that make her a bitch?

Because her reporting it hurt the program. All part of a blame the victim attitude in rape situations that I've seen far too much of.

Uh, how does this situation have anything to do with Rick Neuheisel?

And if you think the UW is close to getting the death penalty, I have this great bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you...

First things first. She was verbally abused, and physically assaulted on a regular basis by her team mates. She says she was actually raped by a team mate. Actually physically raped, as in imagine someone holding you down and shoving their dick in your ass.

Barnett shows his class by first offhandedly dismissing her claims. Then he trumps himself, by piling on to her saying she was terrible and awful. To quote him and the espn article: "It was obvious Katie was not very good. She was awful," he said. "Katie was not only a girl, she was terrible. OK? There's no other way to say it." He went beyond dismissal, and actually went after the victim. It is no wonder they had a 10PM press conference to suspend him. I'd be surprised if he makes it to Saturday with a job. He completely went off the deep end here and he needs to pay for it.

dola,

Because the reporter isn't paid to take the high road. Barnett was under fire, and he chose to fire back at an alleged rape victim.

holy tripple dolas batman!

It was inapropriate because he was being asked these questions because she reported that he did little or nothing to prevent her harrassment while she was at the university, and that one of his players raped her. He responds by brutally assessing her ability in public without any apparent concern for her feelings. Ripping your players in the media doesn't coach any popularity contests either with his players or the public. Insulting a rape victim in the media should get you fired.

I agree, as disappointing as Rick is, the current situation at CU had nothing to do with him. It ALL happened on Barnett's watch.

With the way TV contracts are now and the money involved, I don't think we will ever see the death penalty again. It penalizes the wrong people and TV wants the best teams for the huge dough they pay. With the recent finding of "lack of institutional control" at UW, you have to start thinking UW's problems were more the AD's than his. How convenient Barbara Hedges "retired" a couple of months ago.

I think Barnett should be gone, apart from the comments, he either new of the sex for recruits (fire him) or he didn't (but he should have so fire him). The captain must go down with the ship. I think the AD should probably be gone too. Time to clear house.

You're kidding right?

I would be stunned if using sex/stripper parties to woo recruits at CU started when Barnett got there.

I say this not to pile on Rick (which I normally do at every opportunity) because I can also say the following:

I would be stunned if using sex/stripper parties to woo recruits at CU started when Neuheisel got there.

Barnett's response:

"My remarks were taken out of context"

Responding to a comment about an alleged rape victim

"Katie was a girl, and not only was she a girl but she was terrible." I don't know how anyone could have taken that out of context.

The comments were just the straw that broke the camel's back, there was no way for CU to handle having Barnett as coach any further. They have to say it was soley because of the comments, because if they say it was because of the problems with the football program they are essentially admitting fault and as a result would have little chance of a favorable settlement in the lawsuits from the recruiting party rapes.

According to the owner of the stripper company, the parties for recruits had been going on for 20 years... it wasn't a Barnett practice.

That said as both Maryland coach Gary Williams (yesterday Dan Patrik Show (ESPN radio)) and St. Joe's coach Martelli (this morning WHFS) have said in recent days ultimately you are responsible for all phases of the recruiting trip, and this is something that Barnett needed to actively discourage. Martelli pointed out with St. Joe's they are careful to pick the right guys to visit with recruits and then give the hosts some suggested activities (taylored to the recruits interests). To his credit he wasn't claiming to be naive, he knows that sometimes their suggestions don't get followed and said they deal with it. As he said ultimately he's responsible to the parents as well as to the university for what goes on during the recruiting visit.

I'm glad to see that the CU President changed her reasoning for doing this. This was her comment a day or two ago:




"I have told him in no uncertain terms that that was an unacceptable remark," she said. "You have a rape allegation here. That's a very serious criminal allegation. It's simply inappropriate to essentially blame the victim, which is what he did."


I'm sorry, as inappropriate and insensitive as that remark was, it was in no way "blaming" her for the rape. In fact, it had nothing to do with the rape, which is, in part, what made it inappropriate - to comment on her athletic abilities during the investigation of a rape allegation.

Barnett also talked about football culture (or at least Colorado football culture) during the course of his remarks on the female kicker. He talked about how football players have to earn one another's respect. That's when the comments about the female kicker's ability were made. The suggested implication of these remarks seemed to be that because she wasn't that good, she was not worthy of respect. For Barnett to connect respect and her ability was to excuse the alleged sexual assault. He may as well have said she had it coming and it was her fault.

If he had left it at talking about the kicker's ability, I don't think this would have blown up to the degree that it has, even if those comments would have been stupidly inappropriate.

I am still interested in hearing from you why she is a stupid bitch kicker...

Dude you should get suspended for these comments, your no different then that scumbag Barnett.

As a CU alumni I can tell you she was a BITCH.

This was a girl who was on the football team over Barnetts protests The AD is 100% responsible for her wearing a CU jersey. She didn't like to do team conditioning, she would not particapte in team contact drills, and she was always a no show for off season weight training. BUT, she did like and Demanded to suit up for home games. Like I said a real Bitch, that always ran to mommy(AD) when things did not go her way.

Oh man, you just dont get it do you? Just because your program is crumbling doesn't mean you have to go after the character of an alleged rape victim, it justifies nothing. Theres a time and a place to comment on those things and now is deffinitly not the time, you and Barnett need to learn some tact, seriously.

The death penalty is a myth. It will never happen again in college football.

Write it down.

I guess I'd have to hear/read the whole interview to get a better impression, but if the interview turned from the rape to her activities on the football team and her abilities, then I think it's a stretch to connect the two. Again, he shouldn't have even let the interview get that far, and what he said given the circumstances was inappropriate, but I don't see how his comments about her ability and the lack of respect she earned from teammates had anything to do with the rape. I guess it depends on how the interview flowed, and like I said, I haven't seen it.

I don't know why people allow themselves to be put in the position of making an ass of themselves. That's all the media is after - a story. So why give them something out of nothing? A simple "no comment" on the entire matter would have sufficed.

Good call, good post.


Now that does bring up an interesting question:

IF he was asked about her athletic abilities, does the investigation make it impossible (socio-politically) for him to answer the question? Is his only option to avoid drawing fire to say something along the lines of "Well, there's more serious issues at hand right now & I don't really want to comment about that?

What I'm bumping into here is having a hard time condemning an honest answer to a question that someone asked (if that's indeed the case as someone suggested earlier).

Seems to me I'd be more upset that (I presume) an idiot asked about football ability in the midst of a rape investigation, because I really don't see how that's relevant. I mean, if the alleged victim was a physicist, would someone have asked about her skills in the lab?

That would have been the appropriate answer, in my mind. Just because someone asks you something, doesn't mean you need to answer it, even if you have an answer for it.

This is the response that should have been made. It doesnt take a genius. It's just that some coaches are so arrogant that even in the midst of something like this, they want to exhibit some control over the situation.

Dola - BTW, reporters are known for asking stupid questions, and even baiting coaches or players into sticking their feet in their mouths. If a player/coach can say "no comment" to a stupid question during a press conference after a football game, why can't they do it here?

Didn't someone ask for a REAL or GOOD reason? Not just "I think"...

Do we at least also ding the idiot who asked the question?

{note: I'm open to the whole "no comment" thing, I'm just working on whether there's some more blame to go 'round}

Since when does a kicker participate in contact drills anyway?

My answer is either "I don't think so," or "We should ding reporters for EVERYTHING they do that is wrong." To me, asking this question is hardly as inappropriate as attempting to interview someone as they are being told of a loved one's death. But that happens all of the time, and no one gets particularly bothered by it - at least not enough to DO something about it. So it seems unfair to go after this reporter in this instance.

You guys hang out a lot? Did you go out to parties together? Study together? Did she invite you to dinner when her parents were in town for parents' weekend?

I didn't think so. Your assertions are even more embarrassing now that you have backed them up with 3rd-hand speculation and hearsay. It is bad enough making that value judgement about a person when you don't know them. But to make them in a thread about that person and an alleged rape is just completely unfathomable.

I'm glad this forum has a simple "ignore" feature.

Largely because it's extremely popular stuff with the viewers, otherwise it wouldn't be done with great frequency. (FTR, I'm not defending the tactic, I'm just offering an explanation for it. My unwillingness to do "grieving widow" stories is one of several reasons I turned down a couple of chances to move on to bigger jobs during my time in broadcasting)

I kinda see a distinction in this case though, instead of being glued to the tube by it, people generally seem to be upset about the answer, so I was working from the notion that they might also be disturbed by the question that (apparently) prompted the answer.

Also FTR, it really has nothing to do with what the "right" answer would have been, it's just a tangent that struck me interesting.

(Again, I haven't seen gavel-to-gavel coverage of the press conference or what ever venue the comment was made in. I'm working from the belief that it wasn't an unprompted remark)

Agreed. Taur, welcome to the Idiot Zone. Population: You.

I'm not entirely defending Barnett, but I don't think what he said was as bad as everyone else thinks. I think the comments have been taken out of context. He was defending himself against the allegations that he did nothing to stop the harrassment of Katie when she was at CU. So essentially, he said "The team will respect you, as long as you can go out there and play. Well, this was a girl and she couldn't play. She sucked."
Imagine you're on a football team and there's all this media coverage of the girl on your team (cause she's the only one in college football.) And she doesn't work hard in practice. And she sucks at football. Of course you're going to hate her. There's nothing the coach can do about it. That's what Barnett was trying to say.
Now, it was a rather inappropriate thing to say given the serious nature of the other allegations, but I still feel bad for Barnett. He is being hounded by the press, obviously is frustrated and said one bad thing that has been taken out of context.

If you take this approach it makes Barnett's words look more than innapropriate. It practically makes him a co-conspirator.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Let me make one thing clear. When I say hate I mean it in like a hate the kid that runs too slow and now we all have to do extra laps way. I think hating this girl that loafs in practice and sucks at football is just an extension of that kind of thing.
Now I could be wrongly treating it too innocently as I'm not clear on how far the harrassment actually went. But I definitely make a distinction between the girl being harrassed and the rape accusation. They are completely different cases. Barnett's comments only touched on the harrassment.

It would seem that Barnett's comments were inappropriate given the circumstances anyway, don't you think?

Yeah, I said earlier that I still feel they were inappropriate, all things considered. I just think the comments look a lot worse out of context.

Farther than you think, apparently, but the degree to which she was harrassed is not the turning point, in my mind. The intention, either way, is the same.

As for the alleged rape of Katie Hndia, there's no way for the police to properly investiagate this claim because she won't talk to them about it. Apparently she feels more comfortable speaking with a reporter from a national publication than the local police. By saying that she was raped, and not going to police with names or information, she is 1) casting guilt upon the entire Colorado football program; 2) not giving parties an opportunity to defend themselves. She throws out this bomb, yet gives no information and details. I hope she goes to the police with information, and if this rape did indeed happen, the assbag who sexually assaulted her gets his due.

I don't know what's been going on with her specific case but I did see Sportscenter the other night where they profiled all the women who had come forward with rape allegations and some are seeking legal action.

The three women who had previously said they were raped are filing a civil lawsuit against the University of Colorado. The District Attorney investigated their claims and determined there was not enough evidence to bring criminal charges.

For those that said that Barnett didn't blame the victim. Well I think that is just an extension of him blaming her for his male players harassing her. He said that she wasn't being harassed because she was a woman, but because she wasn't a good player. Given that he has taken that possition on the harassment. I don't think, given the completely inappropriate nature of his comments, it is that far of a stretch.

He is going to be fired, the suspension was just the first step in that process. He is going to be fired sooner rather than later because he is apparently too stupid to assess his situation. He was eventually going to be fired because he lacked essential character to be responsible for his players.

Oh and this just in. ESPN is reporting that when confronted with one of his players being investigated for rape, he told the victim in that instance that IF she came forward, he would back his player 100 percent. He has gone beyond lacking character, he is actually becoming a scumbag.

Oh and Taur, since you seem to be so fond of throwing the term around, I have decided to make you my new bitch. Welcome to the posse.

So, we've got a CU alum and a guy from Boulder who think that actually everything's not as bad as it seems.

OK, sure. Everything's bad until it happens to your team. I admit, I am an Ohio State apologist, but if Maurice Clarett had come back next year, I don't think I could have in good conscience watched them play. Is the university corrupt? Possibly, and if they are, they need to pay for it.

Why, if you are a CU alum or fan, is this so hard to accept? I've heard now from 2 CU apologists that either the kicker is a bitch, or that she is a wuss for not choosing to file criminal charges. Why is it so hard for people to accept that bringing rape charges is unbelievably difficult for the victim? Maybe it's because so often it ends up exactly as stated here... the DA says there is not enough evidence to file charges against the attacker. Why come forward and subject yourself to scorn when there is very little chance that anything meaningful will come of it?

A police report was released last night containing the above allegation. I suspect that was the straw that broke the back of Barnett's Colorado coaching career.

Think any of that could do will all the harrasment her teammates subjected her to?

The girl is subjecting herself to just as much scorn by going to the press. I do think it makes it somewhat suspect for her to go to the media and not file any charges. I mean, if you're not seeking justice by getting the rapist punished by the law, what are you seeking? The obvious answer would be attention.

Or a genuine desire to see change in the Colorado program that caused her so much grief.

I never said she was a "wuss". As an attorney who deals with sexual assault issues on a regular basis, I understand how terribly difficult it is for a rape victim to come forward. In this instance, Katie did come forward, in the largest national sports publication in the country. However, by simply saying she was assaulted, with no specifics whatsoever, she is casting guilt upon the entire Colorado football program and giving no opportunity for defense. I would hope she goes to the authorities so this matter can be investigated and prosecuted if need be.

I'm sure there's nothing she loves more than talking about rape.

As someone who has known women that were raped and didn't report it, I can understand why they don't want to go through the trial, embarrassment, stress, and everything else involved. It's not as easy as a one hour episode of NYPD Blues. It's a sad state of affairs what women have to subject themselves to when they allege rape. I can see why she would have avoided the frenzy that would have occured especially because of her unique situation as a female football player. She did state that kicking for Colorado was her lifelong dream. I imagine she was disillusioned as hell after these events. I can also see her not having the courage to step forward until other women did so.

I'm sure it's horrible for her to talk about it. However, she had the courage to speak with Rick Reilly at Sports Illustrated about it. Maybe she could talk about it one more time to the police.

I was more responding to timmynausea saying that she was seeking attention than replying to you.

I am certainly aware of and sympathetic to rape victims and their reluctance to come forward. It is certainly plausible that Katie came forward merely because this is the first time she was able to for whatever reason.
I am just too cynical to believe that entirely. Something about the number of victims of any type who don't press charges but are willing to talk about their experiences on tv or in magazines makes it harder to believe.
I don't mean to come off as a jerk or anything, though. Most everything I've said has been for argument's sake.

[As always, the following works on the assumption that her allegations are true.]

So . . . if she had brought a civil and/or criminal suit, then people would claim that she is simply out for "revenge" or is a "money grubbing whore"

But, now that she has not brought a suit . . .people claim that she is "weak?"

I guess the lesson here is "don't get raped." Oh, wait--it wasn't her fault.

Toward what end? What is the likelihood of achieving a conviction in a 4 year-old rape case that likely has no biological evidence?

If the chances are slim, then I'd see no compelling reason for her to bother with the police. She can make whatever claims she likes in the press - and the accused can respond in kind, if they like. The public will form their own opinions - and her story seems credible, especially in light of the other recent allegations of rape at CU.

But to suggest that she needs to take this to the police is to miss her point - she doesn't want to pursue a likely futile criminal investigation. Rather, she appears to want to see things change at CU. How is that unreasonable?

First off all there is no proof of rape. She accused someone of rape. By the story she told that happened, she made no mention of physical penatration. Also, she said the "rape" stopped because the phone rang?

She isn't filing charges either. So, why in the world should we assumed that she was raped.

2nd point, as the captain of the team stated. Barnett did yell at the players and told them to treat her with respect. The captain then stated that the team seemed to stop bothering her. Also, stated that she was called names, but he went on to state we all got called names and himself included.

Without the facts we really can't say whether she was raped or not. With her not pressing charges, we will never no. If she was raped though, why didn't she press charges?

I guess I'm not quite clear on what is going to change? Firing Barnett? I don't get this argument at all.
I can see someone wanting to come forward merely because they are able to for the first time. For personal reasons. To get something off their chest, more or less.
But the idea of changing an institution or place because of rape... I mean, a lot of rape occurs in Detroit, but nobody would suggest someone came forward to see things change in Detroit.
I understand that this isn't really a fair comparison, but I just think individuals commit rape. It happens everywhere. Every city. Every college campus.
I don't think the policies of the Colorado athletic department encourage rape. And I can't imagine myself as a rape victim wanting to come forward to change the Colorado football program. Is there something I'm missing in all of this?

Actually, she did. Read the original Reilly article and you'll find that tidbit along with answers to some of your questions.

hxxp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/rick_reilly/02/16/hnida/index.html

I'm starting to wonder the same thing myself.

And no, that's not a sly shot at you (you'll get plenty of those later I imagine) but rather an honest admission on my part.

There's a whole bunch of stuff swirling around CU right now, and some of it involves the female kicker. But I'm not sure what to make of that part. Granted, my day has not been consumed with following this story, so maybe I'm missing some details but as far as I can tell.

1) There's Hndia, who has publically accused an unnamed player(s) of raping her.

2) The alleged incident was not reported to authorities at the university nor to the police at the time.

3) There's still no active police invesigation into this specific incident.

Like I said, maybe I'm missing a detail somewhere, or I've gotten this story tangled with some of the other stories, or something like that. But if those three facts are essentially straight then ...

Yeah, I feel there's legitimate reason to doubt the accuracy of the claim.

-- She'd certainly have motive to take a shot at CU since I gather her football career didn't pan out very well.
-- Other recent incidents certainly seem to provide opportunity for such an allegation

Motive + Opportunity = ???

The question marks mean that there's at least room for any reasonable person to doubt her claims & to do so without getting blasted for it. Right now, there's just not enough facts available to do much of anything else.

And given recent incidents where athletes were accused that were later found unwarranted, I just don't understand giving this claim a free pass at this point.

Some evidence, more facts, a confession -- fine, I reserve the right to weigh new information. But right now, I just don't think there's enough to convict anybody of anything involving Hndia, certainly not legally & not even in the court of public opinion.

I don't know if she was raped or not. However, as Scottvib has pointed out in some excellent posts, there is certainly some information out there that would seem to support her claims.

Despite my lack of knowledge of whether or not she was raped, I definitely know that Barnett's comments were classless. I think Taur's were worse or at least just as bad. I'm ashamed to see a member of our community make such thoughtless statements. Of course, I realize no community is perfect and there is going to be someone in every large group who comes off as a jerk.

Is there a transcript of the interview where the coach made the comments? I'd be curious to see that.

The only way it could in any way be excusable is if the context was specifically not referring to the actual rape. And even then, as others have pointed out, "no comment" would have been the smart answer.

Was it along the lines of "Q: Care to comment on the girl being raped? A: Oh well, she was a lousy kicker"? Or was it closer to "Q: Was she verbally abused by the other players? A: No more than any other terrible player"?

Ok Taur, since most would agree you are an Ahole, I guess no one should worry if you are part of a team, and then beaten and raped by teamates?

Its just football and the school you went to. Your loyalty to a university should be secondary to your loyalty to your fellow person, regardless of your opinions on that person. We all have family members that may be able to qualify as aholes or bitches by some people(hell some of us ourselves may be so), does that mean we shouldn't care if they are raped or abused? How about some human compasion.

Barnett was asked a general question about Hnida's athletic ability. He replied, "Simple. It's a guy's sport. (Players) felt like Katie was forced on them. It was obvious Katie was not very good. She was awful. You know what guys do? They respect your ability. You can be 90 years old, but if you can go out and play, they'll respect you. Katie was not only a girl, she was terrible. OK? There's no other way to say it."

Under normal cicrumstances, this comment was simply uncalled for. In the context of a rape allegation, it likely cost him his job.

...

Please tell me that was immediately followed by "Which might explain some of the verbal abuse but in no way could ever excuse any of the more serious allegations."

Please?

So he had no problem with his players being abusive toward her? I think this is more evidence of a lack of character. Simply put, he should have known it was a sensitive situation to have a female on a male atheletic team. The ramifications of that situation that should be obvious to anyone. She should have been hands off, and he should have made it clear that that was the case. Instead he brushed off allegations by saying she was only being singled out because she was a bad player. It was his responsibility to protect her, and he decisively failed.

"Simply put, he should have known it was a sensitive situation to have a female on a male atheletic team."

Given his assessment of her abilities, it kinda begs the question of:
What was she doing on the team in the first place?

Publicity stunt by former Coach Rick Neuhiesel.

Exactly. I have known two women who were rape victims. One of them went forward with reporting it, the other did not. My friend who did come forward described the process as being raped twice...first by the scumbag who did it to her, then by the court-appointed defense attorneys who tried to paint her as a willing participant (a defense that failed to stand up in court, fortunately).

Although I certainly do not know the facts of the case, one need look no further than the Kobe Bryant trial to see the amount of scrutiny a rape victim in a high profile case (or any case, for that matter) gets, and that girl in Colorado still hasn't stepped inside a courtroom.

Not sure I'd agree with that. If she's on the team, she should be held to the same standards as the other players, shouldn't she?

Not having played football at that level, I have no idea how much of this stuff is expected to go in a locker room. But shouldn't she be subjected to it just as much (but not more) than anyone else?

I wish I could say his comments were followed by those remarks. They were not, and subsequently, Gary Barnett has likely coached his final game for the University of Colorado.

Good riddance.

Right. Also, I don't think loyalty to a university means you have to put on black and gold (in CU's case) or maroon and gold (ASU) blinders on. You can cheer for a university, and cry out when there's a problem for it to be fixed.

I'm an alumnus of Arizona State. You may remember their little basketball point shaving scandal a few years back. I'm loyal to my university, but I'm also far-sighted enough to realize what a stain Bill Frieder, Hedake Smith, et al. were on my school's reputation. We're still paying the price for that gambling scandal, and the last fixed game ended 10 years ago.

And nothing they did can even compare to the crimes being alleged at Colorado. I can assure you, regardless of whether these allegations prove true or false, that any kid with an ounce of integrity, any kid with parents who have an ounce of integrity just scratched Colorado off their short-list. Looking at it from the perspective of a CU alumnus or rooter, you should be more concerned with how your university cleans up the mess than running interference for a coach who has pretty well established that he grades an F in the Human Being category.

If a woman wants to play on a team with men, why should she be treated any differently then the men?

Hmm. Didn't know that physical assaults and rape were part of being on a football team. :rolleyes:

Wussgawd, there is no proof that it took place at all. I'm talking more to the locker room atmosphere, in terms of name calling, teasing etc...

Come on. You know he was replying to Glengoyne's post about her getting special protection from the coaching staff. He even quoted that post, for goodness sake, and you still tried to score cheap points by pretending he was referring to the rape. Poor form.

You Barnett defenders just dont understand the situation do you? Wether or not her alligations are true isnt the point. When there's allegations of rape flying around, that is not the time to comment on the alleged victims football skill level. EVEN if that question is presented to you. Its so simple, quit trying to make it something more complicated then that. Barnett will pay for it with his job and thats how it should be, good ridance you sexsist f'ing pig.

Druez played for the NY team. The one with the pine cones & orange cone insertion drills.

Coming from the team captain at the time. This is his quote regarding the situation and her treatement. Barnett did indeed do something about the problem. Noone was notified that she was "raped" so how could the Colorodo coaching staff do anything about it? Or law enforcement?

If this was an HR person from somewhere talking about her being a bad player that is one thing. But you are asking a football coach about a player? What do you want him to say?

Below are quotes...


Barnett later that day snapped at a reporter who asked him about her abilities. "It was obvious Katie was not very good. She was awful," he said. "Katie was not only a girl, she was terrible. OK? There's no other way to say it."

Ryan Johanningmeier, who was a team captain while Hnida played at Colorado, said Thursday some teammates could be "a bit nasty."


"However, we all get called names. I got called names," he told ABC-TV's "Good Morning America."


Johanningmeier said that when one player's comments about Hnida got too personal, Barnett "gave this guy a pretty good reprimand in front of the team, reminded us once again that this was a player on the team who needs to be treated with respect. A lot of it stopped at that point, from what I saw."