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cthomer5000 09-12-2004 07:42 PM

Kansas City-Denver (Sunday Night Game)
 
bad call, but Theisman is a moron for not knowing the rule. He infuriates me, ALWAYS.

Eaglesfan27 09-12-2004 07:43 PM

Ditto.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 07:43 PM

Also, in the intro I love Theisman calling Kansas City-Denver "the greatest rivalry in the NFL." Are you kidding me? It's up there, but would ANYONE call it the greatest rivalry in the NFL?

He's the king of exaggeration.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 07:44 PM

(I'm gonna keep going, I could strangle this man if given the chance)

"The NFL Competion Committee needs to make this challengeable."

Uh, Joe - do you understand why that type of play can't be challanged - because it was fucking whistled DEAD.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 07:45 PM

BTW, I took the over on this game. So lets get in the endzone boys!

Eaglesfan27 09-12-2004 07:46 PM

Let's get the ball to Gonzalez! (I have him in all of 3 of my fantasy leagues.)

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 07:47 PM

Holmes works for me (although I think he may have been stopped short).

Fouts 09-12-2004 07:48 PM

How much is the over?

Fouts 09-12-2004 07:53 PM

nm, found it in the week 1 thread (48).

MikeVic 09-12-2004 07:55 PM

Umm... when did this start? I have some stupid Pepsi Challenge thing on my ABC. :(

Eaglesfan27 09-12-2004 07:55 PM

It's on ESPN. Started about 25 minutes ago.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 07:57 PM

Mr. Drama makes it sound like going for it on 4th and 1 foot from your opponents 40 is the ballsiest move ever.

edit: against the returning worst defense in the league, no less.

MikeVic 09-12-2004 08:00 PM

Ahh thanks Eaglesfan. I was looking for it on ABC... I don't have ESPN, but it's on TSN up here. :)

Eaglesfan27 09-12-2004 08:04 PM

No problem :)

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 08:13 PM

Nice work, Trent.

MikeVic 09-12-2004 08:13 PM

hahaha. That looked funny.

JeeberD 09-12-2004 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27
Let's get the ball to Gonzalez! (I have him in all of 3 of my fantasy leagues.)


No thank you...in my work fantasy league I'm three points up on the guy I'm playing and he has Gonzalez left to play. Hope he gets shut down...

Vegas Vic 09-12-2004 08:48 PM

Q!!!!!!!!

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 08:49 PM

I'm a definite Griffin believer.

Vegas Vic 09-12-2004 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
I'm a definite Griffin believer.


This kid has been underrated all of his life. He wasn't even recruited out of high school. Ask the Texas Longhorn fans what they think of him now.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:03 PM

Nice interception by Bailey. At this moment the trade is looking like the right move for both teams.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 09:15 PM

Bailey's interception was amazing- I thought that ball was well over him. Looking like a deal that makes everyone happy.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:18 PM

this is classic stuff. LOL.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 09:18 PM

amen- this is hilarious.

VPI97 09-12-2004 09:19 PM

I've never seen an instance of the refs forgetting to mark off a penalty...does the rulebook cover this?

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:19 PM

they should really fake the field goal now, I definitely think they could catch the Broncos napping.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VPI97
I've never seen an instance of the refs forgetting to mark off a penalty...does the rulebook cover this?


I really don't know, but I imagine the refs have a fair amount of leeway in terms of deciding how to make a screw up good.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 09:20 PM

you know what- that really is a good idea. But what are the odds of the crew getting another assignment this year ?

JAG 09-12-2004 09:21 PM

Unbelievable officiating.

JeeberD 09-12-2004 09:21 PM

And the Mile High crowd grows restless...

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:22 PM

honestly, how did NO ONE say something before the field goal attempt? Trent Green, the kicker, Vermeil... no one noticed until the kick was attempted?

Or maybe Green did notice and figured the kicker would get two cracks at it this way.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:23 PM

meh. Should have tried the fake.

Joe 09-12-2004 09:26 PM

officials are such fuckups

Dutch 09-12-2004 09:41 PM

Nice pick by the Chiefs MLB.

Joe Theisman - "Gunther Cunningham has got to just be tickled by what his defense has just done."

You know, I was just telling the wife, "I'm so glad there's an announcer that's not afraid to throw a little football lingo around once in a while."

Just tickled!

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 09:49 PM

okay, that was hilarious.

sabotai 09-12-2004 09:50 PM

Nice play Jake.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:51 PM

Bring on Danny Kannell!

JeeberD 09-12-2004 09:56 PM

Sigh...wish I had started Griffin this week... :(

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:56 PM

this kid is the real deal. enjoy riding the pine, Tatum Bell.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD
Sigh...wish I had started Griffin this week... :(


you didn't start him against the K.C. defense? I hope you have Tomlinson and Holmes on your roster.

sterlingice 09-12-2004 09:59 PM

Are you allowed to chant "sieve" like at a hockey game?

SI

JeeberD 09-12-2004 09:59 PM

Started Duece McCallister and Corey Dillon over him for some reason. I'm not quite sure what I was thinking...

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:01 PM

I figure my strategy in the high/low contest is to pick against KC every week - should be fun.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:01 PM

My over bet is looking good right now. I can thank Jake Plummer for helping me out with a quick 7.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aadik
I figure my strategy in the high/low contest is to pick against KC every week - should be fun.



good luck ...
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLionKing
You may only use each team once for the High and once for the Low.


TLK 09-12-2004 10:04 PM

damn.... I was thinking of taking Griffin and the under (79 yards).... glad I didn't....

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:05 PM

cthomer5000, i think he meant choosing the team playing against them as the high so the only duplicates are the 3 divisional foes. Not to pick KC every week. But I could be wrong.

SI

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:06 PM

Yeah, the only bet I could even seriously consider was the over. I had (and still have) no idea who will win this game, but for some reason "defensive battle" didn't exactly come to mind.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:07 PM

that was amazing- wonderful running.

and Si, thanks- that's what I meant. until Kc plays against the same team a second team, Im picking the high as the team that opposes them.

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:07 PM

I'm getting tired of the announcers so it's time to mute the tv and listen to Mitch Holtis.

SI

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
cthomer5000, i think he meant choosing the team playing against them as the high so the only duplicates are the 3 divisional foes. Not to pick KC every week. But I could be wrong.

SI


ahhh yes. Not a bad strategy at all actually.

I think I might take a tougher road early in the attempt to go all the way. I don't like Atlanta, but I picked them for high against San Fran and they barely came through for me today.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:11 PM

Great catch by Lelie.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
ahhh yes. Not a bad strategy at all actually.

I think I might take a tougher road early in the attempt to go all the way. I don't like Atlanta, but I picked them for high against San Fran and they barely came through for me today.


who was your low ? I believe that you can lose the game, but still go through if your high is greater than your low.

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:12 PM

Um... woo?

SI

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aadik
who was your low ? I believe that you can lose the game, but still go through if your high is greater than your low.


high: atlanta
low: cleveland

Yeah, even though Cleveland won I think I'm still good, right?

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:12 PM

damniT!!! i need those points.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:13 PM

gotta love the slow-motion replay where you can watch Griffen's expression as the ball bounces into the end zone while he's trapped under 2 guys.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
high: atlanta
low: cleveland

Yeah, even though Cleveland won I think I'm still good, right?


by my understanding - ya. I think the actual game is irrelevant- pick the high loser in a 55-50 game and pick the low as the winner in a 3-0 game- you're probably the big winner.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:13 PM

as long as this game doesn't end in a 24-24 tie, the over is a winning bet.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
gotta love the slow-motion replay where you can watch Griffen's expression as the ball bounces into the end zone while he's trapped under 2 guys.


he's had a pretty good day, but Denver seems to be trying to lose this game.

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:14 PM

You know, I just can't get all that behind the Chiefs. Sure, I've lived in Lawrence for over 7 years now but they just seem like the big bandwagon team so I still can't get that excited.

But watching the games is like required social interaction. It's insane- every man, woman, and child in 100 mile radius knows what happened to the Chiefs on Sunday (or Monday).

SI

JAG 09-12-2004 10:15 PM

Thank you Griffin for saving my money team this week. Now, if only Rod Smith could catch a couple of TD passes, maybe my FOFC team could be saved...:)

ISiddiqui 09-12-2004 10:17 PM

Damn... I had Griffin on the bench in favor of Fred Taylor this week. Oops.

Next week, I won't make the same mistake :D.

GrantDawg 09-12-2004 10:21 PM

Well, Holmes has just about completely negated the great day Alexander had for my opponent. Still need a few ponts to win, though. Another td or two would do nicely.

MikeVic 09-12-2004 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG
Thank you Griffin for saving my money team this week. Now, if only Rod Smith could catch a couple of TD passes, maybe my FOFC team could be saved...:)


Hey hey. You don't want that now. I wonder when they update the defensive TDs? It's starting to get me worried. :(

You're only down by 7 now I think?

kingfc22 09-12-2004 10:23 PM

That last fumble by Griffin might end up costing me this week. I was down 30 points going into this game and my opp. has the KC defense. If he would have scored I would be up by 1 point. Come on Griffin, just get me 1 more TD!!!

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:24 PM

They're driving again... I think it's safe to say Gunther Cunningham wasn't the answer to the K.C. defensive woes.

TLK 09-12-2004 10:25 PM

from Sportsline...

Quote:

Missing Fumble Return in Scoreboard
Tampa Bay's fumble recovery for a TD is not appearing on scoreboard at this time. This situation will be resolved overnight. As always, the scoreboard results are not official until the following morning.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:26 PM

I just dont see why they're running Griffin through the middle, negating his speed- KC's been vulnerable to taking him on the outside.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:27 PM

hooray.

MikeVic 09-12-2004 10:34 PM

Ok, thanks TLK.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:34 PM

What the hell happened to Larry Johnson? Couldn't he be getting a few carries here?

JAG 09-12-2004 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic
Hey hey. You don't want that now. I wonder when they update the defensive TDs? It's starting to get me worried. :(

You're only down by 7 now I think?


Relax, you've won, I've given up. At least it was close...but your darn Rams players facing Arizona doomed me...along with Portis' big day.

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
What the hell happened to Larry Johnson? Couldn't he be getting a few carries here?


Well, you could ride the horse that's brought you this far or some guy who isn't nearly as good. I think it's an easy call.

SI

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:39 PM

That LJ draft pick just seems like an even worse idea now- lets take the worst defense in the league and not improve it strategy.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
Well, you could ride the horse that's brought you this far or some guy who isn't nearly as good. I think it's an easy call.

SI


I'm not saying Johnson is as good, I'm just saying it's puzzling that he doesn't even get 4-5 carries a game in such a run-heavy offense. It doesn't even appear that Johnson is the #2 back. That's pretty surprising.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aadik
That LJ draft pick just seems like an even worse idea now- lets take the worst defense in the league and not improve it strategy.


Well, you have to recall that Holmes was coming off a pretty serious hip injury.

MikeVic 09-12-2004 10:43 PM

Ok, in the last 3 minutes, the commentators have compared Griffin to Barry Sanders, and Plummer to John Elway. :(

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aadik
That LJ draft pick just seems like an even worse idea now- lets take the worst defense in the league and not improve it strategy.


Well, back when it happened, it was a CYA move partially because Holmes was injured, partially to have leverage in contract negotiations. No one liked it at the time unless it did turn out Holmes was really hurt.

SI

MikeVic 09-12-2004 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG
Relax, you've won, I've given up. At least it was close...but your darn Rams players facing Arizona doomed me...along with Portis' big day.


I sure hope I win. :)

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic
Ok, in the last 3 minutes, the commentators have compared Griffin to Barry Sanders, and Plummer to John Elway. :(


Griffin to Sanders is a fair comparison, IMHO. Obviously the build is similar, but Griffin is more decisive and less of a "moves" back.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:45 PM

This is a great drive by the way.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:46 PM

this whole game is a lot of fun - a rare enjoyable football game for me. Jake Plummer is running like he's Mike Vick.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
Well, back when it happened, it was a CYA move partially because Holmes was injured, partially to have leverage in contract negotiations. No one liked it at the time unless it did turn out Holmes was really hurt.

SI


I recall the injury, but still- with Rb, you dont need a 1st rounder, as recent history has shown. The defense then and now still had crying needs.

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
Griffin to Sanders is a fair comparison, IMHO. Obviously the build is similar, but Griffin is more decisive and less of a "moves" back.


It didn't occur to me until the week before the season that this was the same Quentin Griffin who I loved to watch run in Big XII games and never understood why he was picked so low in the draft, especially after that 300 or whatever yard game.

SI

kingfc22 09-12-2004 10:49 PM

Is it just me or does Griffin give away the play before the snap? Each time they have close-up'd on Plummer and Griffin in the background, if Griffin has his mouthpiece in it has been a run. And each time his mouthpiece has been out it has been a pass.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:49 PM

holy shit, that was amazing- what a run. Portis is not going to be missed. and that 6 years, 18 million deal KC gave Woods is just amazing right now.

sterlingice 09-12-2004 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aadik
I recall the injury, but still- with Rb, you dont need a 1st rounder, as recent history has shown. The defense then and now still had crying needs.


Well, like I said, few people liked the move.

SI

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:50 PM

Well, you certainly cannot question the Portis trade right now.

ISiddiqui 09-12-2004 10:50 PM

I think Griffin is trying to show me up for not starting him :D.

And to think, I got laughed at in a fantasy draft of mine for drafting Plummer.

kingfc22 09-12-2004 10:51 PM

I need a Griffin TD right here for a win this week.

kingfc22 09-12-2004 10:52 PM

dola

damn

JAG 09-12-2004 10:52 PM

That's twice they've scored on that.

NoMyths 09-12-2004 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
Griffin to Sanders is a fair comparison, IMHO. Obviously the build is similar, but Griffin is more decisive and less of a "moves" back.

Except for the 497 to 15,269 yds difference, the 4.3 to 5.0 YPC difference, and the 2 to 99 TD difference. And the power back to finesse back difference. Yeah, completely similar. ;)

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:53 PM

so, if there was any offense that could score 10 points in 2 min, I would imagine it would be KC.

Crapshoot 09-12-2004 10:53 PM

Should end up at +14, which isnt bad- I wouldnt have the damn Giants scoring 17 pts.

cthomer5000 09-12-2004 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoMyths
Except for the 497 to 15,269 yds difference, the 4.3 to 5.0 YPC difference, and the 2 to 99 TD difference. And the power back to finesse back difference. Yeah, completely similar. ;)


Griffin is a 'power back' in your book? Are you kidding me?

NoMyths 09-12-2004 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
Griffin is a 'power back' in your book? Are you kidding me?

No, but I was rephrasing your "decisive" vs "moves", which seemed like a fair difference. Or are you saying he's a "moves" vs. a "moves"?

NoMyths 09-12-2004 10:56 PM

dola...

And he's still too wet behind the ears to compare to the great Barry.

ISiddiqui 09-12-2004 10:57 PM

Quote:

Except for the 497 to 15,269 yds difference, the 4.3 to 5.0 YPC difference, and the 2 to 99 TD difference.

So no young player can ever be compared to a vetern or retired player EVER? :confused:


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