POL: Why Do You Hate Conservatives, Ann Coulter?
 

So Ann Coulter's getting a ton of deserved criticism for what she said in her new book. Talking about the "Witches of East Brunswick" (9/11 Familes for Peace), she writes that these ladies are enjoying their fame more than the enjoyed their husbands.


I guess every political movement needs its equivalent to Michael Moore or Ted Rall, but damn it woman, recognize that you went way over the line and you need to apologize.

Plus she looks like a kneecap with hair :)

Seriously - she and Michael Moore are more alike than they'll ever want to admit.

I am pretty sure I remember reading on this board about a 9/11 widow going through hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars by throwing parties, taking crazy vacations, etc. I'm sure that this specific case that was being reported is not the only instance. I'm not a huge fan of Ann Coulter but I'd reserve judgement until I read for myself in which context this comment is used. If it is said to make a point about a specific woman/women who did this kind of spending - then I would say it's justified.

And red and blue are much more alike than the media and politicians ever want to admit.

She's talking specifically about four widows who've been very politically active on the far left since 9/11. I think they've got some incredibly wacked out ideas, and I think their politics are dead wrong, but saying that someone is "enjoying" the death of their spouse... no, I can't go there. Even the woman who was throwing wild parties, etc. would rather have her husband back, I'd bet.

It just all boils down to the word "enjoy". She might have had a legit point about the cult of the victim, but she just completely obliterated it by using that particular word to describe what these women are feeling.

Exactly. By using the word "enjoy", it instantly makes the statement offensive, and paints these widows as monsters.

I can't really rack her for the comment, I've had the same impression of some of the people I've seen in various stories post 9/11 and expressed pretty much the same sentiment, albeit with different words. Once again, Ann says what I'm already thinking & says it better than I could have.

Yep. I get what she's trying to say, or at least how she explained it later, that these women were using a personal tragedy to advance a political cause. I think she would have been better served by saying that they were "taking advantage" of their husbands' deaths, or something along those lines. Because that's what they are doing, in my mind - playing on people's sympathies over their personal 9/11 tragedy to influence people against Bush. Similar to Christopher Reeve's "I'm paralyzed, vote Democrat" speech at the DNC in 96, I think it was.

Take advantage works much better in my opinion, although maybe it doesn't sell as many books.

Hmm, I guess just because you have had a personal tragedy, you are not allowed to speak your thoughts on a subject related to that tragedy, and instead are labelled as an advantage taker and revelling in a family member's death? That's just fu#$ed up.

Why not just address the substance of the views expressed by the widows rather than attack them. Par for the course however for that woman.

Here's an article on it. She says a LOT more than just the one line Cam quoted.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-358034c.html

Here's a highlight:

In "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," the uncompromisingly right-wing Coulter writes the Jersey Girls have no right to criticize President Bush or any of the failures that led to the terror attacks.

"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis," Coulter writes.

"And by the way, how do we know their husbands weren't planning to divorce these harpies? Now that their shelf life is dwindling, they'd better hurry up and appear in Playboy. . .

"These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them."

I'll agree that she could have picked a better word, but I have had the same thought about some of the widows or victims families. I've had the same thought about other people too...what I call "professional mourners". For people who live normal lives and who are related to people who die normal deaths, you mourn and then life goes on...you never forget that person but your entire life doesn't revolve around them. There are some people from 9/11 and other tragedies (Ron Goldman's father comes to mind) who never seem to move on and make a "career" of mourning their loved one in the public eye. I'm not saying they are bad people or that the way they are handling their grief is wrong, just that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Sorry, but Ron Goldman is a terrible example. If someone killed your child and then got off scot-free, and then publicly mocked you in the years following, how would you react?

i've felt the same way - particularly with these retarded Families of 9/11 Victims type organizations - however i wouldn't go as far as say these 4 women enjoy the deaths of their husbands (and thus the attention they've garnered). her comments are pure Hell Atlanticish. it's ok for me to say the things i say cuz i'm not selling any books. i'm not in the public eye. but her comments reak of someone going for the Howard Stern intentional controversy.

but these organizations have an awful habit of putting their 2 cents in every friggin issue, and have helped contribute to the delay in rebuilding downtown NYC. don't even get me started on this nonsense.

Actually I thought Goldman was a pretty good example. I'd rather have O.J. as a month long house guest than spend 10 minutes with any of the glory hound relatives of Brown or Simpson.

But hey, I'm that rarest of rare birds: a white guy who doesn't think O.J. killed either one of them. (I think he knows exactly who did, but I've never believed it was him).

I would deal with it in a private manner, not go in front of any and every news/media camera I could find. Shit happens...I'm not saying it would be easy, but his loss isn't any more or less painful that the 9/11 victims families loss, and the vast majority of them have moved on with their lives.

But I'm certain that she had no problem at all with the 9/11 victims that attended and spoke out at the Republican convention two years ago, and appeared in Bush campaign ads. They weren't using their loss to advance a political cause either? Oh wait, that's right, they are on her side, so it's A-OK for them to do it, so they get a free pass. If Michael Moore or Al Franken had said from the left what she is now saying, people would be calling for their heads on a spike.

I think the people who suffered the loss of a loved one in the 9/11 attacks should be able to say whatever they want to say, regardless if you agree with they are saying, or if you think they are bat-shiat crazy . They paid a hell of price to form their opinions. Not like some insulated, partisan hack who is just trying to sell some books.

Cartman, your an idiot. Just pick one political thread, anyone, and try to resist posting your inane commentary for once. You have to be one of the lesser intelligent jokes in this forum, every opinion based on feeling, devoid of fact and streaming like so much diarhea spread everywhere.

Listen, you piece of trailer trash horse shit, the idea of you calling anyone an idiot is absurd - especially when the concept of punctuation, and the difference between "your" and "you're" seems unclear to you. Fuck off - seriously.

Oh yeah, you're the other one. Thanks for chiming in, hershey squirt. That's what a 'Crapshoot' is anyway, right?

Well - this thread went into the crapper in a hurry.

LOL. How is that list coming along? You know, the one where you were going to come back and report on all of my postings, and how completely wrong I was on every one of them? We are all still eagerly awaiting your findings.

Perfect wording considering the last 3 posts contained diarhea, horse shit and hershey squirt...

Like you were really going to get any real discourse from the usual conservative-bashing squishy pinkos in the first place.

I don't "get" Ann Coulter- I really don't. She's not particularly intelligent, she's not particularly good looking, and isn't like she represents any degree of sanity. How this woman once worked for the National Review I'm unsure - of course, her path since then (Frontpage.com - brown person bashing at its finest) has led her to completely abandon the pretense of even knowing what she's talking about. Its amusing - she's probably far less of a nut than it appears- the extreme right wing schtick just makes her more money.

Did you even bother to notice who started this thread? I believe that person's day job is as a conservative radio show host.

I placed it up that dark tunnel you keep your head in...keep looking, I'm sure you'll find it!

I think Coulter went way beyond good taste with some of her comments. As HA said, I think she intentionally might be going over-the-top with these statements to generate controversy and hopefully spur book sales. But even though she might make a valid point, she is stepping over a line that shouldn't be crossed, even in political discourse. Leave that kind of sh*t to Michael Moore.

Re-read first post regarding you.

Damn. Is Bubba trying to be boxed? Or is he just doing his Ann Coulter impersonation?

Crapshoot, would you say the same thing about left-wing nutjobs as well?

Skydog don't have the intestinal fortitude for that. Let Cartman and Crapper call their daddy to protect them.

You're all class, Bubba.

Sure - though I'm not sure why any sort of equivalence is needed between Coulter's deeds and someone on the "left" - her stupidity stands out. If you're referring to the bit about "overplaying the extremism" - that, I have no doubt is common across the board - we call it "marketing."

OOOOOH YEAH! SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM! CAN YA DIG IT!?

I must say, I haven't been called a squishy pinko before - this is a new one. What makes a non squishy pinko though - are they all squishy ? Are some "harder" than others ? These are questions that need answers!

Your absolutely right...should have responded the way Crapper did...oh yeah, i did!

Ok, let me break it down, step by step.


F for grammar. I guess you are a product of the horrible public school systems you are always complaining about.


I don't post in all that many political threads. I only chime in where I think maybe I can provide a different perspective. If you go back and look at any of the political compass surveys we've done on the board in the past, I'm usually right in the middle, neither right nor left. I've made it clear many times I consider myself more a libertarian, than a Democrat or Republican.

At least you used the correct form of 'your' in this sentence.


So this means I'm still an intelligent joke, just not one of the highest order?


Isn't an opinion just that, something based on feelings? More points off for grammar for the misseplling of diarreah.

Anything I missed? I think I went over this pretty well, and I don't see anything there where it shows that you read who created the thread.

Geez, someone dig Blackador up and you can have your usual 'circle of friends' gathering! How special! HA!

Bubba Wheels is an idiot. He is JIMGa without the endearing qualities.

Would it make you feel any better if she said they were enjoying the "results" or "outcome" of their husbands death?

Yet another 'squishy circle' member. You handful should all have secret decoder rings.

BTW, 'idiot' was already used as a descriptive once in this thread...pick another like...bonehead...as in 'like the bonehead that you are!" But then again you 'squishy' types are not known for you're 'originality."

Fixed.

As for the initial topic. I actually agree with Ann Coulter on something. These women has been compensated more than fairly. I feel for them and don't wish death on anyone or their loved ones, but enough is enough. Locally in St. Louis a young, attractive, blond, white women was killed over the weekend and you would think by the front page continous coverage the last week that the president was shot. It is a tradegy and if I knew her I would be grieving even more, but people die. (Now there are sex offender ties, so I am sure we are going to have another week of coverage maybe even national)

But the fact is that these husbands could have died in car accidents, the building could have caught fire, they could have been robbed and shot. They died from a terror attack. Life sucks sometimes. Deal with it, everyone else does.

From a female perspective, no man should want to be a member of the squishy circle...I'd suggest you all abandon this thread immediately and regain your manhood in one of the sports threads.

Ann Coulter=Dennis Rodman.

It's all about selling books.

Moron.


Sorry I couldn't resist.:D

I haven't really even befriended any of the guys you speak of so I don't know how I got in the squishy circle. I know Cartman from his BBCF league, but that is about it. And why would they want to hang out with a child molester anyways? (Or so I was told by Bubba Wheels in his 4th grade social studies textbook explanation of Jessica's law a few days ago)

Enhanced.

Have to tell you that your whole "anyone who shows emotions should just get over it when I'm tired of hearing it" stance shows you have more testosterone than Bubba has ever dreamed of having.

I mean seriously, I'm cynical as hell and dislike people enough to not get upset when one dies ( this thread really illustrates why ) but damn, even I give the benefit of the doubt that there may be some people not as cold and heartless as some of the folks in this thread, myself included.

Guess I was wrong. Doesn't feel good to be though.

Hey, I have an idea. Lets just have a group meeting at a funeral home and mock the mourners. That'd pretty much feel good wouldn't it?

I think Bubba is just venting, because his bad ass game of Max Football was just a bust :(.

Its ok Bubba.

Rodman looks better in a dress than the rest though. :)

He should be happy, it's probably the closest he's ever gotten to a bust in his life.

Transcript from the old 'Politically Incorrect' Show with Bill Mahr:

Gary Shandling:"Knock, Knock."

Cato Calin: "Who's there?"

Gary Shandling "Oh come on, you know who it is!"

That's true but you have to do what some mention in the AAE Hot chicks: look only from the neck down. Except in Rodman's case, it had better be one of those old-school Mormon dresses.

Coming from a homosexual like yourself, them's pretty strong words!

I'd just like to mention that when I first read this, I was reading the posts and only half paying attention to who wrote what. Out of the corner of my eye, I read "JonInMiddleGA" as "John Galt" for some reason.

Needless to say, there was cause for significant confusion.

Hmm, who mentioned anything about homosexual? I just can't see you attracting any creature that has a choice about the matter. Since I don't think you're a rapist it leads me to believe you go the celibate route though not by choice of course.

But, since your mind is on the state of my dick, I guess I misjudged your orientation. Don't worry sweetums. Your god will still love you.

I have to agree with the Coulter bashers here -- if she had a point, there's better ways of making it. I agree -- if one of the liberal pundits had made a statement like this, we would all be calling for their heads right now.

She should be no exception. She should apologize.

See, when you said 'bust' i took that for 'breast,' and since homosexuals don't care for 'breasts'...oh nevermind. No intentional disrespect meant to 'homosexuals,' just that they don't like breasts, you know? Think you do!;)

As HNIC, I still reserve the right, when I can't find any other mods immediately, to do a unilateral boxing. I'm going to be very busy the next few days, so I'll let the mods sort out the amount of time.

I suspect that by the time I see this board again sometime tomorrow that things will have changed for some posters given the current tenor of debate.

I also expect to see a thread complaining about it.

LOL. We should have a public poll on this one. :D

Not from me. SkyDog did the right thing, IMO.

For the record, I wasn't the one that peed in BW's Cheerios today. Not sure why he came out swinging on me, then proceeded to flail at everyone else.

Good call. A board like this has no room for people who throw around gay terms as insults.

So, that's the only insult Bubba was throwing? I suppose he was here to advance the discussion? Please, don't even act like you don't know what just happened here.

It wasn't what he said, it was the way it was said. The type of insults he was throwing out wasn't the point.

For starters, I have no problem with what Coulter said. If you're going to make a public spectacle of yourself, you'd better be prepared for that sort of thing, and then some. The fact is, these "victims" have achieved wealth and status, and haven't exactly tried to avoid the public eye.

Oh, and I don't really think Cam is a conservative. Just my opinion. No offense intended or anything.

I generally have no problem with Bubba's point of view, but he did come out with guns blazing. That said, I think everyone else escalated it pretty quick. I have no problem with his boxing, but I think someone needs to take a hard look at the responses that were made. I don't think any of his detractors really took the high ground here.

Well done, Ben.

Bubba gets it.

Franklin - "who" is conservative in your book ?

I love irony. Someone who stands by Coulter insulting people she doesn't know then chides people for not taking the high road. No better example can be made.

This thread's been jacked enough as it is. I think Cam's a moderate that plays to whatever audience he happens to have. Enough said.

Is "forever" an option?

I think O.J. bumbling over the past few years proves that he couldn't have killed Nicole and Ron Goldman. He wouldn't have wanted to get all of his clothes dirty. The guy spends his days and nights playing golf. But yeah, he probably knows what sort of shady characters Nicole was involved with (given her drug use) and probably has a hunch, but out of respect for her (weird, no?) he won't come out and clear his own name and never has.

But back on topic...

I agree with what someone said earlier. I don't really get Ann Coulter either. She's clearly not smart. She was on FOX last night discussing her book with Sean Hannity and he asked her about herself. She had the hardest time talking about what her moral core was and couldn't articulate it in any real way, beyond saying that she was Christian and giving some microwavable answer.

But I guess because she's a leggy blonde -- who looks like a man, but I digress -- people will listen because the conservative movement is mostly attributed to old white dudes who want to tell us how to live our lives.

And I'm not any sort of liberal, either. I just hate these caricatures that are self-appointed spokespersons of what it means to be conservative.

The irony here is people getting on their high horse about Bubba ending up in the box, when their behavior was just as dispicable. Somehow, it's ok, just because Bubba started it. Whatever.

Hmm...guess I didn't have to wait until the morning. :D

There's such a thing as an appropriate response -- Bubba Wheels did start this -- and for seemingly no reason on what was until then an interesting and respectable discussion -- and made it personal. I can't say I would have done anything different than Axxon did. Heck, I think he and Cartman were a lot more civil than I would have been. So I don't think any fault can be placed on them.

Appropriate response. That's what SkyDog did in this instance also.

I'm pretty sure we just witnessed Bubba's kamikaze mission in this thread. He was trying to restore at least some honor to his family by going out in a blaze of glory... or a blaze of something, at least.

Cartman was anything but civil.

Here is Bubba's first post in the thread:


Yeah, he's getting a little personal. He calls Cartman an idiot, and compares his opinion to fecal matter. Not exactly polite, but...

Here's Cartman's immediate response:


Cartman clearly escalates the name calling here, and hardly handles himself with any class. From this point, it's all downhill...

Umm, the name begins with a C, but that wasn't me that replied. Look a little closer.

Uh Franklin- that's me, Crapshoot responding - not Cartman. :D

Dola, I think Bubba's a blight on this board, and always has been - but that's just my take. If Jesse's a troll - Bubba's 100 times worse.

Well played.

You're defending Bubba's post?

Umm.... Ok.

I guess this means that now I'm banned from Sportsdigs.com :(

:D

something not to expect

anne coulter will be appearing on o"reilley june 8th to apologize to the women she trashed.

something to beware

when hilary clinton trashed anne coulter she used the word "mean spirited". that word scares me more than hilary clinton as president does. i think the world was a better place when the word "mean spirited " was still in the womb.

did you ever have a conversation with anyone you trusted who used the word "mean spirited" seriously.

apologies????

this thread started off with the desire that anne coulter should apologize. recently a congressman from louisiana by the name of william jefferson (slightly more honest than another politician by close to the same name) was caught in a somewhat compromising situation. mean spirited members of the fbi raided his office with some provocation. have you heard any apologies from him?

let me know when you hear a SINCERE apology from someone with a zip code that is within 50 miles of washington d.c.- republican or democrat

Well, you can call them out if you want but if you don't call out Ann you're being nothing but a hypocrite. Are you a hypocrite Franklin or can you admit you don't want someone you support dropping to the level of those whom you disagree with?

Let me get this straight. His first freakin sentence is "Cartman, your an idiot." and somehow someone taking that personal is the one at fault? Do you even think about what you're saying?

Damn man, I had more respect for you than that. Cartman has to turn the other cheek but grieving widows are fair game and so is this attacker. I don't get it man. Are you really that much of a hypocrite who only cares about being on the winning team, not being true to your beliefs?

Or is it your belief that those you support can be as odious as they want and if anyone responds they're in the wrong?

Axxom:

Personal attacks is how this whole thing started. I know we have the ability to debate without getting personal.

Color me a cynic, but the O'Reilly Show is probably the last place the ones she is apologizing to will tune in. That's not exactly a tough environment for her, especially considering she was just on the Today Show, with an audience multiple times the size of Bill's show. We will have to see how sincere the apology is, and what how the rest of the interview goes after that to see the level of sincerity.

But maybe we will be surprised. You know it has to be bad when a VP at Fox News calls you on the carpet:

hxxp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198597,00.html

I know most of us can and I think Franklin can if he wants to that's why I want him to reply. I'm not painting with a broad brush here; I just don't get how he can defend his people starting the personal attacks and with the same conscience attack those who respond.

Tom Brady > Peyton Manning

This thread is now complete. We have a Tom Brady sighting. :-)

> looks like a nose to me. Are you saying Tom Brady "knows" Peyton Manning?

That's probably true.

Well, if you drop the 'k' you have an anagram for "owns".

or snow. What's the significance of that one?

I don't understand why Bubba called you a homosexual?

I don't want to talk about a guy who can't defend himself but my understanding is he took my joke "it's the closest to a bust that he'll ever get" to be a homosexual reference when I honestly wasn't making a homosexual reference.