Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)
 

Cronus, the youngest of the Titans has just killed his father Uranus, and has claimed the title of ruler of the entire universe. Cronus's sister/wife Rhea in order to stop his reign of terror hid away their child Zeus on the isle of Crete. After being raised to adulthood in hiding, Zeus has finally come back to lead the assault upon Cronus's rule. With the help of several other titans and fellow Gods, will the Olympians be strong enough to overthrow the ruler of the heavens?

Game moderator note: While I would have preferred this game to be called "Clash of the Titans" or "War of the Titans", I was afraid that similarities to the 1981 movie would confuse people to thinking that was the theme of this game. This game might include some characters from that story, but it is based upon Greek mythology in a much broader sense. Some characters or story lines may have been moderated to enable the flow of this game to be improved.

Gameclock:
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The gameday will consist of one 24 hour gameturn each day. 10pm EST will signify the end of each game day and the start of the next day. Each player will have a vote action as well as personal actions that will be due by 10pm EST each day. Any actions received after the 10pm deadline will count for the next day. The game day officially ends once the board clock hits 10pm EST. Thus, any post marked at 10:00pm EST will be after the day deadline and count for the next day.

Weekend play:

We will play an extended weekend play time in order to not have the game to go stagnent, but to allow for a longer period of time to respond. The weekend play will consist of one game day that lasts from 10pm EST Friday night until 10pm EST Sunday night.

Schedule problems:

In the case that any player has issues with scheduling for a day and need to provide conditional orders/votes, please contact me via PM as soon as possible so we can work out a solution for you.

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The Characters:
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This list includes some of the characters that may be in play during this game. There is also always the possibility of additional characters being in the game that is not included in this list:

Evil Titans:
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Cronus
Coeus - Titan of Intelligence
Crius - the "Ram"
Hyperion - God of observation
Atlas
Campe - She-dragon with a woman's head and torso with a scorpion like tail.

Other titans:
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Gigantes
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Alcyoneus
Porphyrion
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Hecatonchires
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Briareus (The Vigorous)
Cottus (The furious)
Gyes (The Big limbed)
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Cyclops
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Arges
Brontes
Sterioes

Monsters:
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Medusa
Kraken
Minotaur


Gods:
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Zeus - Ruler of the Gods
Hades - The king of the underworld
Poseidon - God of the Waters
Hestia - Goddess of the Hearth
Demeter - Goddess of Fertility
Hera - Goddess of Marriage and Womanhood
Ares - God of War
Hermes - Messenger of Heaven
Hephaestus - The Smith of Olympus
Aphrodite - The goddess of tender passions
Athena - Goddess of Warriors, industries and prudent intelligence
Apollo - God of prophecy and music
Artemis - Goddess of hunters
Hebe - The goddess of youth
Dionysus - god of the cultivaton of the vine
Persephone - Queen of the underworld
Asclepius - God of medicine

Mankind:
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Heracles - Greatest hero of mankind
Odysseus - King of Ithaca
Achilles - Hero of the trojan war.
Perseus - Founder of Mycenae

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The teams:
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Titans: The Titans, under the rule of Cronus rule the heavens and earth. With the help of various other monsters, they look to remain in power. Keep in mind that not all players that are "Titans" will be for this team. Several Titans will be alligned with the Olympians during this game. All players will be informed in their PM what team they are working for (if any).

The Olympians: Led by Zeus, the Olympians seek to overthrow Cronus from rule with the help of various other titans and heros of mankind. If you are a titan that is sympathetic to the Olympians' cause or a hero of mankind that wins with the Olympians, your PM will inform you as such.

Other: Several roles may have individual victory conditions that do not fall within the scope of the above two teams. Individuals will be informed as such if that case applies to them.

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Victory Conditions:
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Titans: You will win the game if you eliminate Zeus, Hades, Poseidon from the game as well as have a 1:1 Titan to Olympian ratio. Note: this does include Titans that are sympathetic to the Olympians cause as a Titan in this ratio.

Olympians: You will win the game if you eliminate all of the Titans that are working with Cronus. This does not include any monsters that may be teamed up with them, or any Titans that are sympathetic to the Olympians cause.

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Daily Actions:
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Each player receives 5 Action points (or APs) for each day. They must use at least 1 AP for a vote each day. Players that fail to place a vote for the day will not be allowed to use any APs for other actions during that day, and will be limited to only 1 AP for the following day which must be used for a vote.

Each player also has at least one individual action that they may choose to perform during the day. Any player that has multiple individual or team actions to choose from is limited to only one vote and one other action per day.

As all players are limited to only 1 vote and 1 action per day, they may use the remaining 3 Action points (APs) to further "strengthen" their votes or actions. Each AP spent on a vote will be counted in the final total. The player with the most votes is not lynched, it is the player with the most vote action points that is lynched at the end of the day. Likewise a player may choose to use further action points to strengthen their actions as well. A night kill action with 4 APs used will overwhelm a Bodyguard action with only 2 APs used for instance. In the case of actions conflicting with one another, a winning action will not always completely negate the losing action, but it will have the favorable outcome. ie: the bodyguard action listed above may fail, but they may be able to recognise who the assailant was.

Important note: Your Vote must be posted in the thread such as:

VOTE Alan T

You should send any other day actions as well as the number of Action points used for each via PM to me. Everyone else in the game does not get to know how many APs you spent that day and for what.

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Email/PM/IM communication:
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Players should not communicate with other players in this game outside of this thread in any topic regarding this game unless your PM clearly states that such communication is allowed.

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Disclaimer:
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Rules or Roles may be modified if needed or gameplay may be changed if needed during the course of the game if it is determined necessary in order to maintain the integrity of the game. If there are any questions or comments regarding this rule set, please send me a PM and I will respond as quick as I can.

1) Render - Killed Day 3 Hermes / Olympian
2) Barkeep - Killed Day 2 Zeus / Olympian
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad - Killed Day5 Hera / Independant Olympian
5) St.Cronin
6) Neon_Chaos
7) Lathum - Lynched Day 5 Heracles / Mortal Hero
8) ntndeacon - Lynched Day 2 Dionysus / Olympian
9) ArlingtonColt - Lynched Day 6 Hephaestus / Olympian
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy - Killed Day 4 Hades / Olympian
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety
15) Ardent_Enthusiast - Lynched Day 4 Atlas / Titan
16) Racer - Killed Day 5 Hyperion / Titan
17) DaddyTorgo
18) Raiders Army - Killed Day 6 Apollo / Olympian
19) Schmidty - Lynched Day 3 Minotaur / Monster

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YAY I'm the irst one IN ! Whoooot!

I am purposefully not signing up now since Render beat me as the first one in :)

On a more serious note when you looking to start?

DOLA: And I know I read somewhere that you said your next game was going to be Wall Street. What happened to that? I thought it was an awesome theme for WW.

Maybe it's financial gods. :)

I'm in. Hopefully this time, y'all won't kill me right away for being "suspiciously absent" from the game on Mondays and Tuesdays. :rolleyes:

I'm in as well.

I'll play.

I am looking to start early this week (tuesday/wednesday) if ther eis enough interest. As for what happened to Wall street, well long story short.. I had forgotten when I said that would be my next game, but I still have the rule set for that in my folder. I had originally changed my next game to be "Black and White" but have tabled that one until later. This ruleset I think will hopefully be one of my best games yet and one I worked up before I actually ran my Tombstone game. I just wanted to get a feel for what I needed to lock down on wide open games where everyone has actions before I rolled out this game.

Hopefully everyone will enjoy it. Its not overly complex, but it gives everyone a chance to contibute :)

Alan's games are always great; I think he's my favorite ww-host. Tombstone and the Big City I think are my two favorite games ever.

Agreed. I don't know if either of his games I have palyed in were my favorite (haven't really played that all out in my mind), but I know I had a blast in both of his games, playing a hooker sheriff in one and a neutral bookie in the other.

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Tombstone was easily in my yop 2 games.


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Any idea about the weekend schedule, I won't really be available next weekend

Rule set posted. If there is any questions regarding how the actionpoints/actions/voting happens, please feel free to ask those questions now and I will happily answer them. That is the only really different part of this game to understand, so I wish to not have that affect the game play. I will make sure to spell things out as we go as well so there is not unintentional confusion.

(Barkeep, was your posting a signup earlier, or are you not signed up? Wasn't sure if I put you down or not) :)

Weekend schedule will be extended play. Friday -> Sunday night = 1 day. I'm moving next weekend so I won't be around a ton next weekend either.

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I refused to sign-up at that time. I will, however, sign up now :)

how about a thread in the GD?

Put one there this morning :) I assume we'll have more people fill in the next few hours. As long as I have a decent amount of players by tonight I will start the game with PMs sent out and day 1 will end on Wednesday morning at 10am EST. I don't need 20 players for this game to work, but as with most of my games like this, the more people there are the more fun that happens for everyone's roles :)

I'll play.

I'm in as long as we start early in the week. If the date gets pushed back very far I won't be able to do this as next weekend is hosed.

So if I'm a villager I'm asking the wolves to remove me by Day 5 or so :) If I'm a wolf I expect to be scanned or do something stupid to get run without needing much help.

why should this game be any different then others?

Once again I'm about to take a break but can't really miss a game Alan is running......no matter how awfully I'm playing at the moment.

Sign me up.

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I've seen plenty of wolves leave me alive when my theories are dumb. I'm asking them not to because I'll be unable to post my dumb theories for a couple of days near the end of next week. So that part is a little different - usually I'm around to post new dumb theories each and every day.

:)

*Raises Hand*

Or maybe they just want to end your streak of never getting lynched as a villager.

Just an update, We have 14 signed up now, which is enough for a good WW game. I'll leave signups open until tonight just in case anyone else wants to join in. I'll close up signups some point after 9pm EST tonight and send out roles/information tonight.

Day 1 will run from when Roles go out tonight until Tuesday night 10pm EST. Deadline will be Tuesday night.

perfect, lets get going!!!!!

woohoo

You spelled 'in' wrong.































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Welcome Back Ardent.

I'll play.

as much as i would love to, i am out...i have a deal with my wife that i dont play game after game after game, and i have already played 2 in a row, so i gotta sit one or two out.

But I need you in the next game! I have 3 perfect roles for you, special!

BTW do you look better as a redhead, brunette or blonde?

i have no hair.

lol best setup question ever.

I have the 16 roles picked that will be in the game if this is the list of final players. I ideally actually would like one additional player to help balance out one specific thing, but if not I will be sending out roles in a little while. I am just giving another hour or so for last chance to sign up for people. I figure if they haven't signed up by now they likely won't anyways though :)

dammit. I'm in, but just because it's an alan t game

Looks good to me. Sign me up Uncle Alfred.

I'll play.

Just for the record since the Titans is intertwined with the the Olympians/Heroes, I will be referring to evil doers as the wolves and to good guys as villagers, since it seems to have a standard dynamic in terms of win conditions and such.

Hmm, who is more likely to have this role - Ardent or Schmidty? Discuss.

Checking in.

Render.

:)

Can we unvote or is the AP spent once we cast the vote?

Hey all. I am an Olympian.

Everyone has to cast a vote every day, or they forfeit their other Actionpoints any ways. You can change who you vote for as many times as you want during the day however by posting the update in the thread. You can also change how many Action points you spend and for what as many times as you want in PM to me.

Or maybe I should say, I am Olympian.

So we're not really going to know where we're at in this game, really, in terms of voting.

I'm guessing there is no indication of who spent how many action points, but just a total "votes" listed for each at the end of the day?

Ok since hoops is back and I went away from my "hoops is always a wolf" suspicion last game when he was a friggin wolf, he's got my D1 vote this game as a result this game.

Vote hoopsguy

Perfect logic, BK.

So, I'm doing some thinking on the voting for today. Is there a compelling reason on Day 1 to put extra votes in on a candidate? Obviously as we learn more information it makes sense to try and influence a good vote, but the ability to spend extra points adds another dynamic to measure when evaluating votes. I don't see how this is going to be pro-Olympian at the outset.

Thoughts?

I am Olympia (and so can you!) for the Stephen Colbert fans out there.

It's a d1 vote. Let's not read more into it than that.


I'm also concerned about people being able to manipulate the votes behind the scenes as I've already commented on. I'm not sure the best way to combat that.

I can't see any good reason to put more than one vote action or whatever the points are given.


I wonder if we get to know the total actions taken vs an individual?

You think people will just let the APs go to waste?

Ooooh, the gauntlet has been thrown by BK. :D

I am assuming that there are certain win conditions and situations that would restrict us from revealing who we are (other than the Olympians that the Titan must kill). Because if not, we can all reveal and weed out the Titans easily.

On second thought, Alan T has probably designed the roles to prevent that from happening.

Right?

:)

dola

another question...

can these points be hoarded. use our one action on a vote and that is it or one on a vote and one on an action and hoard the rest?

*Titans

no, but if we know vote action totals, that would be a big help in determining extra actions there. It might narrow the field we are looking at in certain cases.

Certainly true for the Nuetral Titans and monsters, but aren't the Titans favoring Olympus counted for the good guys now?

Points are either used each day or lost. You start the next day with the same number of points each day unless for some game reasons that you have a modified amount.

In terms of the points - using the example that Alan does in the rules, I would hope that our Olympian bodyguard would have max points available to protect on Night 1 if we can't bank the points.

Again, I think there is increasing value to backing the votes with action points later in the game. Just not so much on Day 1. It is going to be hard enough to figure out what people are doing with their votes/points without adding that element on a day where we are essentially flying blind.

I would think Alan's designed a game to account for a mass reveal after that worked so successfully recently but I'm always game for it.

I thought this was probably the case, but just to be sure I wanted it out there.

I'll say now that my power isn't so clear cut that I will want to invest 4 points in it, like the BG would.

Hoops: I agree that if some people are using their powers come Day 4 and you're spending 5 points on voting that you will have a large effect. We saw last game the large effect someone can have even just having 2 votes compared to someone else's 1, or 0. The relative imbalance will be even more this game.

Given that the Titans are hunting for three Olympians in their victory condition, I'm guessing that a mass reveal is not an optimal play.

Getting harder not to read anything into the early vote ...

I am up for it if everyone is on-board with it.

But, yeah, I would think that Alan would have worked some mechanism to make sure a mass-reveal wouldn't be as successful as it was before.

Why? So what if the three Olympians reveal if we've found the Titans. The Olympians shouldn't reveal first but even if the Titans claimed one of them we'd be able to sort out pretty quickly who was telling the truth and who wasn't about that. Seems ot me like it would be a quick game if we got people on board with this.

I certainly don't want any narrowing of suspects for those Titans. And How many Titans are there.

Neon or Ardent - can either of you explain to me why a mass reveal would be good at all? There are so many names in the opening post that I really think that there would be a lot of room for people to hide in the latter stages.

Could we have someone make an early fake reveal? Maybe, but Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon are also going to want to fake reveal rather than give up their identity publicly. So they will be holding out until later to fake along with the Titans. The Titans know who they are, so we leave those three guys hung out to dry in a fake reveal scenario.

Again, I'm willing to be convinced but I'm surprised that two people I consider decent thinkers seem to be so at odds with my views right now.

Note that their victory condition says that they must kill the three olympians AND get a 1:1 ratio with the villagers to win. I assume that we can weed out who's who before they meet all of those objectives. Unless of course, the ratio of Olympians and Titans aren't as great. Do we know if the humans count as Olympians as well? I'm thinking no.

What I'm weary about is if there are roles out there that might have a different victory condition.

But I'm all up for it.

Ok so my guess is that this means the Titans know which roles are actually in the game.

Point taken, Alan T.

I assumed as much that there are mechanisms in place. And if it only gives easy defeat to the villagers, then let's forget about it.

Let's just have people reveal at the right time and the right moment so we can weed out the Titans properly.

It's just an idea, hoops. Granted, if Zeus/Hades/Poseidon also have different victory conditions, there is no reason why they can't sacrifice themselves to help weed out the Titans.

The point is moot, however. Seems like Alan T does have certain precautionary measures in place to make it unfavorable for the villagers to mass-reveal.

checking in. Been around but talking on the phone since PM's went out, so I didn't even read mine till just now.

Proud Olympian here.

Alan will we get a vote action total at the end of the day or just a winner and who voted for who (with no vote action total given)?

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Ok so interesting dynamic: THe Olympians have people helping them who they need to kill. The Titans have people trying to thwart them who they need to keep alive. With 19 players I'm thinking there could be as many as 6, but more likely 5, titans in the game total with 3 bad guys, plus 2 other Neutral/Pro Olympian Titans.

neon...hard push for a mass reveal buddy...what gives?

So given the clarification from Alan, what about a mankind reveal?

No one will know the final vote point total, just a list of whom voted for whom and who ended up dead. Vote points spent are a private thing between me, that player and anyone who might have a role to see such things.

Olympians have to kill all of the Titans? ithought it was just those Loyal to Croeses. So we kill even the ones that have loyalty to the Olympians?

no vote points makes it impossible to use that like we did in say the Rome game to try to hold people accountable.

Gotcha. We could hope :)

That would be dangerous, Alan. If everyone doesn't reveal then the reveal doesn't work.

You narrow down the Olympians that the Titans must kill, and therefore, make it easier for the Olympians.

Mass reveals only work when everyone reveals.

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