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2008 NFL Offseason Thread
If it were held this week, the Patriots would have the #4 or #5 pick overall in the draft, depending on tiebreakers. WTG Niners!!!!
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This is the year I get drafted into the NFL.
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Love it live. Please let them pic ahead of the Jets. Hilarity will ensue.
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Who did the 49ers get from the Pats?
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Wasn't it the Joe Staley trade? |
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Who? Man I'm out of the loop on the 49ers i guess. |
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Joe Staley was one of the top offensive linemen prospects in the draft last year. |
Who is the best special teamer? I want him drafted as #1 overall by the Dolphins so we can start rebuilding around him.
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Oh ok. How did the Pats end up with him late in the 1st then? |
San Francisco traded their fourth-round selection (110th overall, used to select John Bowie) and their first-round selection in the 2008 NFL Draft to New England for their last first-round selection (28th overall, used to select Joe Staley)
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From ESPN:
  San Francisco 49ers: Acquire pick No. 28 (selected OT Joe Staley).New England Patriots: Acquire pick No. 110 and a first-round pick in 2008. Scouts take: The 49ers aggressively moved up in the backend of the first round to acquire LT Joe Staley. By selecting Staley the 49ers can move LT Jonas Jennings to the right side and drastically improve their offensive line. The 49ers have been shopping both RG Justin Smiley and the underachieving RT Kwame Harris throughout the offseason. Staley was a former TE who was converted to RT in 2004. He is a very good athlete with outstanding feet, balance and control but needs to improve his total body strength. The Patriots got great value acquiring the 49ers' first-round pick in 2008 and a fourth this season. The Patriots like to acquire future No. 1 picks. |
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Lucky? He was projected to get picked in the middle of the 1st round, I think. But most of the players taken in the 1st were defensive players. I think when the Pats pick came up, the Niners traded picks with them so they could get him. He was the third OL player taken. I don't think anyone thought the Niners were going to be this bad this year. I think most people thought they'd be an 8-8 team, or around there, so it's not like anyone thought the Niners were trading a Top 5 pick this year for a Bottom 5 pick last year. |
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Niners also added the Colts' 1st this year after they traded their 2nd rounder last year as a result of acquiring Staley. So we'll go from #4 to #30 probably. Wahoo.
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I've never heard of a "protected" first round pick in the NFL, which is the cool thing to do with pretty much every NBA trade that involves picks. I wonder if that's just not allowed in the NFL. I know the 49ers had some optimism, but this was just a huge risk to take. It's something that I always thought was way too easy to do in FOF. |
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As a Niner fan, the optimism was pretty warranted though I feel. There were major problems on the defensive side of the ball, and the offense was progressing nicely. The FA upgrades to the defense should have been enough to, at worst, bump them up a game or two from last year which would have been enough to contend for the division. Instead, the offense regressed probably more than any team's offense ever has. We miss Norv, and have probably the worst OC in the league. A guy who has proven why his last OC job was for the University of Indiana in Pennsylvania. |
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I expected more out of Alex Smith this year. Norv had done an excellent job with him, but I figured part of it would carry over to this year regardless. Unfortunately, the Niners have put Alex Smith in a situation where he's getting a new OC every year and things like that will kill a quarterback's development. I saw the Niners as a team that could break through and win 9 or so game this year. What I saw last night was an embarassment of an offense and a defense that should be better than it is. Not substantially, but still better. As for their current OC, if John Shoop is still the niners OC then the best this guy can do is 2nd worst. |
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Umm.... what if he doesn't come from "a good family"?!!?!?! |
Hopefully, Norv will be fired from the Charger's this year and the Niner's can get him back as their OC.
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Fixed for what the Dolphins will really do. |
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No, I fixed it for ya! |
This is the first November in six years I haven't even thought of the draft. I will re-visit this thread in a few more weeks.
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I'm sure there will still be receivers on the board no matter where the Lions end up picking. |
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I wouldn't be thinking of the draft either if my team just lost to the Cardinals. :D |
Pats essentially traded Joe Staley for Randy Moss and the fifth overall selection (and getting better every week) in 2008. I like how that team operates.
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Stupid Cleveland winning games...we were supposed to have a top ten pick because of the trade that got them Quinn. :mad:
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Pats front office is just far ahead of almost every other team - it's pretty sick. |
I wonder who the Patriots would pick at 4 or 5. What do they really need? I got to imagine given their history that they are trading down and maybe going corner like Ikegwuonu or something like that. I imagine the top 5 is going to be in no particular order Brohm, Ryan, McFadden, Jake Long, Dorsey, maybe a Calais Campbell, Kenny Phillips or Chris Long.
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If I was the Pats, I would get McFadden or Dorsey.
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It will be interesting to see if some teams will want to deal with/help the Patriots after this season. I know GMs can have short memories when they are doing what they think is best for their teams, but I think a lot of teams will be hesitant to help them out, both because of their dominance and because of the way they are running scores up on people. For example, I am guessing that the Redskins wouldn't be too receptive to fielding calls from them after their game this season. |
The thing, I bet trading down simply isn't that easy anymore - unless a team absolutely falls in love with someone, would they want to move up and pay a $25 million in guaranteed money?
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Exactly, the past couple drafts there's been rumors of at least half of the top 10 teams trying to trade down and teams simply don't want to pay the price it takes to move up. The team trading up is in a situation where they have to give away extra picks (which is cost effective talent) and spend considerably more money signing a player. A team has to absolutely be in love with a player to seriously consider moving up now. |
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d805a3a57
Current First Round Draft Order 1 Miami Dolphins 2 St. Louis Rams 3 or 4 Oakland Raiders 3, 4 or 5 Atlanta Falcons 4 or 5 Kansas City Chiefs 6 New York Jets 7 San Francisco 49ers (owned by New England Patriots) 8 Baltimore Ravens 9 Cincinnati Bengals 10 New Orleans Saints 11 Buffalo Bills 12 Denver Broncos 13 Carolina Panthers 14 Chicago Bears 15 Detroit Lions 16 Arizona Cardinals 17 Minnesota Vikings 18 Houston Texans 19 Philadelphia Eagles So which team, Atlanta, Kansas City, or Oakland will be calling for the coin to land on it's side? ;) |
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New England owns San Francisco's 7th overall pick. I think that is the only 1st round pick from 2008 that has been traded. |
SF has Indy's 1st.
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Niners own the Colts #1 pick, which should theoretically be between 28-31 |
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And because I forgot to put a smiley face at the end of that sentence, the answer from the linked article is: Atlanta, Kansas City, and Oakland had the same strength-of-schedule. Since Kansas City finished third in the AFC West and the Raiders fourth (the tie was broken on the basis of the Chiefs’ 3-11 record in common games while the Raiders were 2-12), the Raiders will draft ahead of the Chiefs. Atlanta and Oakland will flip a coin for the third position; if Atlanta wins, the Falcons will draft third, the Raiders fourth, and the Chiefs fifth. If the Raiders win the coin flip, they will draft third, and the Falcons and Chiefs will flip a coin to determine the fourth and fifth positions. |
Doesn't Cleveland's pick also go to Dallas in the Brady Quinn deal?
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Yeah, so the Cowboys got last year's 36th overall pick and this year's 22th overall pick for last year's 22nd overall pick (Quinn). That is unless Tampa Bay or Washington makes the Superbowl, in which case it will be the 21st overall pick going to Dallas this year. |
Way to go Bears. You ruin the Saints playoff chances and give them a higher pick.
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AP reporting Jamaal Charles will enter the draft. Becoming a very deep RB draft.
Bad timing for him, IMO, but he's a good talent and comes from a, shall we say, not overly privileged background. |
I would beg the Bengals to trade up to get Dorsey... but our big-time draft selections have been... star-crossed, to say the least. Best just to stay where we are and try to get an impact LB or DL.
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Great, hopefully there will be a good running back available for Cleveland in the second or third round as they will need another option to Lewis incase of injury. |
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Very much agreed....they should desparately try to move up to 1 or 2 to get Dorsey or Long. |
The Bears grabbed Tommie Harris at #14 a few years ago, maybe it's a lucky spot for them? (I've got nothing...)
Edit to add: They also grabbed Michael Haynes the year before at #14, so, um, maybe not... |
Mendenhall from Illinois should announce any day now, as I think he played himself into the #2 RB slot with his big runs against USC.
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There are a lot of backs that could go #2 this year. Rice, Sloan, Stewart, Mendenhall
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Looking better and better for the Seahawks to potentially wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to nab a quality back and go offensive line/TE early on. Should be an interesting offseason no matter how Alexander performs in the playoffs.
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I'd prefer they take Ellis or Lauriniatis at 9 and then trade up to the mid to late first round and get a DE like Campbell or Harvey. They should get 3 or 4 sandwich picks this year, so they have the opportunity to get two high quality defensive starters if they're just a little aggressive. |
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I'd like to see the Pats grab Laurinitis at #7 if they decide to keep the pick. More likely though is that they trade down, and if they do I'd like to see them grab a CB: Cason from Arizona or one of the Jenkins (tOSU's or South Florida's). I haven't seen a lot of the other LB's aside from Laurinitis, Highsmith from LSU, and Hall from V-Tech, who are some of the other big name LBs in this draft? |
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I don't know where the Bears will go in the draft. It depends on what they do at the quarterback spot. I think they made a dumb move last year by trading away Jones. |
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Really? :D I see them looking at a corner to replace Samuel (should they let him go.) |
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I don't think trading Jones was necessarily dumb, I think what they did with the draft pick they got from the Jets was dumb. Jones wouldn't have done any better than Benson did behind that O-Line this year. Angelo was an idiot for relying on an O-Line with 4 starters in their 30s to remain strong. |
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They were dumb to draft Benson in the first place, after Jones had already proven he could carry the load. Besides, nowadays we've seen that if you put up a good enough O-Line, you can put Coffee Warlord at tailback and still get 100 yards/game. I'd like to see the Bears go all-out and try to get Donovan McNabb instead of getting a QB in the 1st round. The team's more in the position of being ready aside from the QB. The receiving corps isn't bad, Adrian Peterson's a good back, and the defense started showing some signs of life (provided they just replace Archuleta). Stick a good QB in there and they're right back in the hunt, to my mind. |
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I agree with you in the drafting Benson. |
Davone Bess has hired an agent, so he's leaving. He was given a 2nd round grade from the NFL draft advisory board.
Ryan Grice-Mullins is considering leaving. |
Two thoughts: The Rams better get a stud guy for the OL. Not only do they need depth, but there is no guarantee that Pace comes back fully from his injury.
Second, I thought Mendenhall was a sophomore. I would definitely stick around another year if I was him. |
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Hes a junior |
Looks like Mendenhall is coming out.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7641446?MSNHPHMA I didn't get a chance to watch the Rose Bowl or much of Illinois this year. What kind of back is he? |
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Thank god he is leaving. I'd compare him to a McFadden type back, but less hype. He had a great game against USC, 17 car for 155 yds and 5 rec for 59 yds. |
Zook, though, said he needed to come back because he was a poor blocker. Wonder how much that will effect him.
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Thats Zook trying to make an excuse to get him to come back. Just about every back coming out of college is a poor blocker because its rare for college teams to use their top back as a blocker. It won't affect his draft position at all, the only thing it would affect is how he's used as a rookie. |
Adrian Peterson needs work as a blocker and obviously did great in his first year. It really wouldn't surprise me if Mendenhall followed him as the Offensive ROY.
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RGM is leaving as he has signed with an agent. He reportedly received a 4th round grade. LB Adam Leonard has decided to stay in school. I was expecting him to leave so that's a nice surprise. |
Wasn't sure where to put this, didn't think it really merited it's own thread.
Saw a little blurb on ESPN News that the Raves are very interested in Donovan McNabb. Wasn't a big story, just a 1 line item in the "News Wired" segment. I believe it was reported by Mort, but not certain. They said the move would have to include Baltimore's #8 overall pick. |
Franchise tag # for this year
Franchise tag salaries for 2008 by position: Position | Millions Quarterback $10.73 Cornerback $9.465 Defensive end $8.879 Linebacker $8.065 Wide receiver $7.848 Offensive line $7.455 Defensive tackle $6.363 Running back $6.538 Tight end $4.522 Safety $4.396 Kicker/punter $2.514 Thus far the Eagles have franchised TE LJ Smith, but that's about it. |
Here are some rumored franchise tag applicants.
(from thejetsblog.com) Confirmed L.J. Smith - TE, Eagles [AP Newswire] Rumored Randy Moss — WR - Patriots [Sun Chronicle] Albert Haynesworth — DT - Titans [ESPN.com] Terrell Suggs — OLB - Ravens [Rotoworld via NFLN] Nnamdi Asomugha — CB - Raiders [RealFootball365 via NFLN] Karlos Dansby — LB - Cardinals [East Valley Tribune] Jordan Gross — OT - Panthers [HeraldOnline] Jared Allen — DE - Chiefs [Sporting News] Dallas Clark — TE - Colts [Colts.com] Rumored but Unlikely Bernard Berrian — WR - Bears [Rotoworld via NFLN] Flozell Adams — LT - Cowboys [Dallas Morning News] |
I hold out some hope that the Steelers will decide to franchise G Alan Faneca, but that seems unlikely.
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Yeah, I'm not reading good things with Faneca. Just pay him already. :(
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It really will depend on who drafts him but I also wouldnt be surprised. I would say AP has that once every 10 year talent however and dont expect any back close to his talent in this draft. |
Mike Mayock's draft rankings...
Mendenhall ahead of McFadden... http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsess...o&confirm=true |
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Also, Sedrick Ellis ahead of Glenn Dorsey, and Chad Henne the #2 QB. I would say his opinions are at odds with the mainstream. |
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Kiper agrees with Ellis over Dorsey (last I checked), and Todd McShay has Ellis as his fastest rising player in the whole draft. Dorsey is bigger and wider and will probably be the better run defender at the NFL level, but Ellis is faster and almost as strong and will be a dominant pass rusher from the 3 technique. Depends what you are looking for I guess. I don't think you can go wrong with either one. |
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I'm not arguing the merits of one player or another. I just don't think it means a lot if one guy with a bunch of eccentric rankings has Mendenhall ahead of McFadden. |
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I've read a couple comments from NFL scouts on concerns over McFadden's vision and they like both Felix Jones and Mendenhall over McFadden. So I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to see McFadden slipping a bit as teams start breaking down his film. His ranking of Andre Woodson 5th is also in line with what I've read. Woodson was so bad at the All Star game he played in that he's almost assured to have dropped out of the 1st round and if he's just as bad at his pro day the scouts I read that commented say he may drop out of the first day entirely. |
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There's always a lot of hyperbole after all-star games and combines. |
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I'm pretty sure that I've heard he really wants to head to Arizona, but I've also heard the Jets will be very interested. Hoping the Jets give him some good money to fix their terrible offensive line. |
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he must be nuts |
Who are the top "realistic" free agents? (That opens March 1st, correct?)
Any salary cap links? |
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All of the steelers coaches are in AZ now, so it makes perfect sense. |
There's no way Woodson should fall out of the first 3 rounds. I think technically "first day" is rds 1 and 2 this year. But Woodson in the 3rd is an educated gamble for probably 75% of the NFL franchises, at that round he's worth it as a developmental talent alone. Pull the FOF move, develop him and trade him for a couple 2's in a few years.
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Some of the better UFA's at first glance
RB Michael Turner WR Bernard Berrian WR Terrance Copper WR D.J. Hackett WR Bryant Johnson WR Randy Moss WR Ernest Wilford OG Jacob Bell OG Alan Faneca OT Flozell Adams OT Stacy Andrews DL Jared Allen DL Albert Haynesworth DL Tommy Kelly DL Justin Smith DL Randy Starks DL Terrell Suggs LB Boss Bailey LB Lance Briggs LB Karlos Dansby LB Calvin Pace CB Asante Samuel SS Yeremiah Bell FS Madieu Williams Here's a list I stole from another forum of some of the better unrestricted free agents. If you open up the spoiler button it will show the whole list.
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Shorty's going to have to buy a new jersey.......
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Jim Zorn: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
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No way that trade happens without it being multiple first round picks. The cap hit the Bengals would take means they would have to be ridiculously overpaid to get rid of Ocho Cinco.
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8 million in dead money approx |
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multiple #1's....lofl Maybe like a first and third max. 2008 Cap difference between trading him, and keeping him is only a difference of 2.5m. Bengals are a bunch of cheap bitches at the top of the organization, so it's possible they will pursue a standoff. They should have had balls and never re-did Chad's contract in the first place, that was a stupid move. |
I don't think he's worth that much, but the organization shouldn't lose their most dangerous receiver and take an eight mil cap hit without a ridiculous offer.
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The Bengals are usually so far under the cap, what's another $8 million?
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Let's see....
bengals franchise Andrews. Zach Thomas gets offer from Patriots, still hasn't signed anywhere. This should make Suburban Rhythmn smile Quote:
Combine is this weekend, I'm pumped. |
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Have you seen their defense? |
Bears news:
DE Alex Brown signs a 2-year extension WR Muhsin Muhammad and OT Fred Miller were released. DT Darwin Walker's option was declined, making him a free agent. Also, all 3 Bears' LB's (Lance Briggs, Brian Urlacher and Hunter Hillenmeyer) tallied 100+ tackles, first time that's happened, for the Bears, since 1986 (Mike Singletary, Wilber Marshall, and Otis Wilson). |
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No, they are rarely seen much on the field. |
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Obviously the Dolphins had more talent than I thought. Pats are also talking to Marty Booker. |
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Welker worked out so well, why wouldn't they go back to the well?!?! |
Well I see the WR position is once again loaded with talent. I guess the Vikings will have to go sign Moss. Very weak FA class IMO. Id love to see them bring in former gopher Ben Utecht as well.
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Seems like Jerry Angelo is trying to shake things up. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/footb...bear19.article |
Glad they came to their senses and decided to try and resign Briggs. I was hoping they'd let Grossman go and worry about a RB and improving the OL. As '06 proved, a solid D + a solid running game = a trip to the superbowl.
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