Werewolf LXII -- The BCS (Racer and Swaggs win)
 

It's the time of year we've all been waiting for: football season. You've sat through a mind-numbing offseason, made it through intense practices, and tried to contain your anticipation. But now, it's time! Your goal: The National Championship. But what challenges await you?

The rules are currently written with the idea of 17 people, but I'm flexible about that.

1. RendeR
2. PurdueBrad
3. Lathum
4. st.cronin
5. claphamsa
6. SnDvls
7. jeheinz72
8. Barkeep49
9. Swaggs
10. Mr. Wednesday
11. Chief Rum
12. Anxiety
13. ntndeacon
14. Racer
15. chesapeake
16. molson
17. Alan T

Alternates:
path12

Day 1

Day 2

Day 3

Day 4

Day 5

Day 6

Day 7

It seems like you’ve been through so much already, but then you realize you still have it all to do. The recruiting, the mini-camps, the scrimmages – they’re all meaningless now. As students start to clog the campus with their parents and all their crap, you’re ready for the football season to begin!

As the head coach of a major college football power, you have two goals. First, of course, is to win the national title. The second, more team-oriented goal, is to bring in more money for your conference by sending two teams to BCS Bowls.

There are three BCS Bowls – each conference winner gets a spot, Notre Dame gets a spot, and the last spot goes to the highest “at-large” team in the BCS Rankings. The BCS Rankings are comprised of an average of three rankings: the public poll, the private poll, and the computer rankings. If there is a tie in determining anything important at the end of the last day, there will be a revote of the public and private polls. If there is still a tie, order will be determined completely based on computer rankings.

The public poll is created by the coaches each day (including Day 1). At some time before deadline, each coach has a chance to rank up to 5 teams. 1st place will get 5 points, 2nd place will get 4 points, 3rd place will get 3 points, 4th place will get 2 points, 5th place will get 1 point. I’ll compile the votes and publish the results. I don’t have a specific format request for this ranking – just make it obvious that this is your official public ranking, and not discussion.

The private poll will be created in the same way, except coaches will send their lists to me via e-mail, agage1 AT gmail.com. Your submissions for the public and private poll do not need to be the same. I’ll compile the votes and publish the Top 5 teams.

The computer ranking will be determined based on your performance. During each of the first four days, you will schedule a non-conference game. Games are scheduled one at a time, each day – no scheduling in advance. There is no home or away – just an opponent. You may not schedule someone in your conference for a non-conference game. Please submit your schedule request in the thread, in bold, and on its own line, like:

SCHEDULE TEAM XX
or
UNSCHEDULE TEAM XX

XX should be an integer, 1 through 99. The chance you have of beating Team XX is (1-XX)%. If you win the game, you receive XX “powerpoints.” If you lose the game, you receive none. The computer rankings will only look at who has more powerpoints – it will not consider wins or losses.

You may also schedule out-of-conference games with “human” coaches from another conference, or Notre Dame. If you schedule an out-of-conference game with someone in your own conference, the game will not be played. You can submit a challenge in bold, and on its own line, like:

CHALLENGE PASSACAGLIA
or
UNCHALLENGE PASSACAGLIA

You may accept a challenge in bold, and on its own line, like:

ACCEPT PASSACAGLIA

Once a challenge has been accepted, it may not be “unaccepted” (or “unchallenged”).

Victory in a game between two human coaches will be determined based on powerpoints – whoever has more is more likely to win. If a human with A powerpoints plays a human with B powerpoints, the first human has an A/(A+B) chance of winning, and the second human has a B/(A+B) chance of winning. The winner of the game will receive a number of powerpoints equal to the number of powerpoints of the losing team, divided by the number of games the losing team had played prior to that game. If neither team has any powerpoints, both teams have a 50/50 chance of winning, and the winner receives 100 powerpoints. The losing team will receive no power points (in any week).

After the first four games, the next three games will be comprised of conference play. Each team must play every other team in its conference. Conferences will determine its schedule as a group, and submit it to me by the end of Day 4 – failure to submit an appropriate schedule by the end of Day 4 will result in me creating it for you, and a 50 powerpoint deduction for each team.

Conferences must also decide its tiebreakers. The winner of the conference will be the team with the most wins, but if there is a tie, the conference may choose any method they wish to decide the winner. This must be sent to me by the end of Day 4 as well. Failure to submit a tiebreaker rule will result in a head-to-head tiebreaker, and a 25 powerpoint deduction for each team.

Conferences may elect to have a conference championship game. You may either have the top two teams play in the conference championship, or split your conference into two divisions of two teams each, and the winner of each division will play in it. A conference championship game is just like any other game between two human coaches, except for that the losing team will lose a number of powerpoints equal to the number of the powerpoints of the winning team divided by 7. If you’re going to have a conference championship game, you must notify me how it will be decided by the end of Day 4.

Conferences must also agree to a name for the conference by the end of Day 4. Failure to submit a name will result in me choosing the dumbest name I can think of for your conference, and a 13 powerpoint deduction for each team.

In case it wasn’t clear by this point, you have the ability to PM with everyone in your conference. At the end of Day 4, I’ll publish the names of the conferences, which teams are in which conference, and the remaining schedule. At the end of each day after that, I’ll publish conference standings.

After all 7 regular season games and any conference championships have been played (which will happen immediately following the 7th game), we’ll have a day with no games. There’ll be a final public and private poll, and at the end of the day, the national championship game will be played.

Of course, there’s a catch. One of the major teams in your conference is being courted to join a superconference. Should one of these “detractors” end up as the at-large team in the BCS Bowls, they will pocket the extra money and share it with the members of its new conference. The victory condition for the detractors is to get one of their own to be the at-large team in the BCS – if this happens, that team’s old conference does not win. The detractors may PM each other.

Even more evil than the detractors is the team that’s already independent, Notre Dame. Notre Dame has one victory condition – win the national title. At the end of Day 4, Notre Dame will receive a 15% powerpoint bonus. Also, Notre Dame will automatically play in the National Championship game is they are #1 in the computer rankings. If Notre Dame’s victory condition is met, no one else gets credit for any other victory conditions (when Notre Dame wins, college football in general loses).

Luckily, your means of fighting the evil detractors and the even more evil Notre Dame is not limited to the field. The BCS conferences will get together each day, and vote on which team is most deserving of having sanctions imposed on it. Sanctions will result in a 50 powerpoint deduction for that team. Notre Dame is exempt from sanctions, but they still get to vote on them. If there is a tie vote, no sanctions will be imposed that day. Sanctions are imposed after games have been played. A vote of "no sanctions" is acceptable. Vote for which team you think should receive sanctions in bold, on its own line, like this:

VOTE PASSACAGLIA
or
UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA

Unfortunately, the detractors will stop at nothing to receive the much sought-after BCS money. They will sabotage practice fields, training facilities, and cause all sorts of havoc to create problems for their opponents. This will result in 50 powerpoints lost in total – the detractors may split these points any way they wish. Notre Dame is not exempt from sabotage.

Teams have the ability to throw the game by sending me a PM indicating that you would like to. If you throw your game, you will lose. If both teams throw a game, then the game will be played like a normal game, except the better team now has a better chance of losing. You may throw a game against either a computer or human opponent. It will not be revealed if you have thrown a game.

Each conference will have one of each of these special roles: A scout, who can scan one team per day to find out if they are a detractor (but may not scan a coach in their own conference); a lobbyist, who can change the result of a sanctions vote (this will not reveal your role); a saboteur, who can make one team lose 15 powerpoints; and an equipment manager, who can protect from sabotage. The detractors will have one of each of these roles. In order to perform these actions, a team must throw its game that day. Keep in mind that there will be a detractor with each of these abilities -- the detractor also must throw their game to use them. The detractor who is the seer will be able to learn the role of one team, and will show up as not being a detractor if scanned if they throw their game.

To summarize, there are 8 days in this game. On Days 1 through 4, everyone must:
1. Schedule a game.
2. Vote in the public poll.
3. Vote in the private poll.
4. Vote for sanctions.
5. PM me if you’re throwing a game, and declare your action.

By the end of Day 4, each conference must:
1. Send me a conference name.
2. Send me a conference schedule.
3. Send me tiebreaker rules.
4. Decide if they want a championship game, and if so, how.

Days 5 through 8, everyone must:
1. Vote in the public poll.
2. Vote in the private poll.
3. Vote for sanctions.
4. PM me if you’re throwing a game, and declare your action.

Days 5 through 7, Notre Dame must schedule games as well.

On all days, the detractors must decide how many points of sabotage to allocate to each team.

The Schedule
Days 1 through 4: Non-conference games
Days 5 through 7: Conference games
Day 7: Conference Championships
Day 8: Final polls and national title game

Oh dear god a Football WW game, IN!

swaggs might want in per the GM signup thread so double check with him.

Cool idea and I'm most certainly in.

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When is this likely to start? Monday of next week? The following week? Middle of next week if the current game is still in progress Monday?

I was thinking I'd send out roles the day after the game ends, and Day 1 would be the next day.

And if PB's game ends this week, I'll look at a Monday Day 1.

OK, I'll keep an eye on the other game then. I'm a definite "no" for the first half of next week, so that will more or less determine if I'm playing this one.

In

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IN bounds, clock still running.

Rules are posted. Ask any questions you've got!

u guys have waaaaay too much free time :D

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I'm back in!

Independent.

In.

I challenge Passacaglia and argue that we should treat Notre Dame like the dog crap on the bottom of my shoe that they are and make this game more realistic by leaving them out of the BCS.

Stupid Notre Dame.

I hate Notre Dame.

Damn Notre Dame.

Sorry, I'm done for now...rant may continue later.

The good news is that Notre Dame is pretty much everyone's enemy in this game (sorry, Mr. Wednesday)!

Also, Notre Dame might not be included in the game, anyway. They're really only in there to make the numbers nicer, if I need to.

By the way, some rules were changed regarding Notre Dame (if they're included), and I added the possibility of a "no sanctions" vote.

In if there's room.

You bet there is.

I'm in if there is still room

I <3 PurdueBrad

Now that is a confusing rule set =)

holy crap Pass =)

INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

In.

Yeah, it does seem rather involved. I wanted to combine the politicking of the coaches polls with the politicking of a WW game, while adding in an element of "gaming" the BCS. It might be a bit much, but that's why I wanted to get it all out there and answer any questions that may come up.

I've got a manageable week coming up, so I'll give it a shot.

Pass, I'm going to ask to be moved to alternate. There's a lot going on and my WW concentration may not be where it should for a game like this....

Sure thing! Signups will probably go until Monday, so if you change your mind, there's still time.

Pass - I should ask this since I don't think people die in this one (Haven't read the rules closely). Will we be playing on the weekend?

Pass you plan on starting this game then before the other one ends?

No -- sorry, I should have said that signups would go until at least Monday.

Good questions, I hadn't thought of that. Yes, no one dies, so you're all committed for 8 days. We will not play on the weekend. You guys will just have to speculate about who played what kind of schedule over the weekend, and what the conference alignments might be.

do we pick our schools? or is it random? or will it be claphamsa state?

I hadn't planned on schools really having names. It's just the coaches, really. If you want, you can name yourselves whatever you want, but everything is predicated on the player's name. The only real name in this game was Notre Dame, and that was more of a joke that turned into a possible role. Even the conference names aren't supposed to be real -- that was just a fun little thing to add something to being in a conference together. You don't have to take your conference names from real conferences, you can call yourselves the flaming buttwads for all I care.

ok! MD superkittens here!

I'm looking at sending out roles sometime Monday, with Day 1 ending Tuesday.

I'm intruiged...

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Very cool, molson! I'm not sure if this is your first werewolf game, but if so, I encourage you to try another one after this to get a feel for the game! I don't think being a first-timer will really affect how you play this game, but it might not give you the best idea of what it's like to play werewolf.

Small changes to the rules..

I clarified that if the lobbyist uses his powers, it willl not result in a reveal, and added some powers to the detractor's seer (since being a seer really doesn't do anything for him).

I'm looking to start sending roles at around 10 AM central, but I might do it earlier if I get antsy.

Another fix...fixed the saboteur -- he only causes someone to lose 15 powerpoints, not 50 (I think that was a typo?)

I'll play as long as there is very limited weekend play next weekend.

There will be NO weekend play. We'll have a 24-hour clock, with a 2 PM Central deadline. Day 4 will end Friday at 2 PM, and Day 5 will end Monday at 2 PM. And since there are only 8 days, the game will not run into the weekend after that.

I'm adding Alan T (since I believe I've met his criterion), and getting roles ready now.

Here are the PMs. Notre Dame just gets one of these -- everyone else gets two.

Pass, quick clarification to make sure I'm reading this right. If I schedule a team that I have a 99% chance of beating, I get 99 powerpoints? Or do you mean that if I beat a team that had a 99% chance of beating me, I would get that many points? That way the reward=risk. Thanks!

You get 100 - the percent chance you beat the other team powerpoints.

So if you had a 99% chance of beating a team you'd get 1 PP. If you had a 40% chance you get 60 powerpoints.

Thanks for understanding and answering the question better than me. I'll delete my reply!

Also, roles are sent out.

Got my two PMs. So to start things off, here is my understanding or our environment..

We have 17 teams. 4 conferences of 4 teams each plus Notre Dame. We will get to find out who notre dame is on day 4 as well as who is in what conference, but is there any reason to not reveal that information ourselves now to help us figure out who notre dame is early. Is there any reason we don't want to do that?

Now for the conference breakdowns.. each of our conferences want our conference to get the at large bid obviously.. but we also want to prevent the detractors from getting the at large bid either. Each conference is broken down with these roles according to Pass's PM examples:


scout/equip manager/lobbyist/saboteur

I guess I don't understand is.. is the saboteur the detractor? or are there 5 roles to choose from in each conference and only 4 of them are present?

Since there are no deaths in this one, is there any reason we don't want to be open with more information than normal.. ie: the scouts openly provide information to weed out the detractors, etc?

Each member of your conference has one of those four roles. Outside of that, one member of your conference is a detractor. Also, the four detractors are set up such that there's one of each role in their group.

Faithful conference team checking in. We are the Hoosier State Huskers.

this is gonna be fun :D

I made up that name by the way since a previous post said we could name our team if we wanted to.

Buffalo State Bengals Checking in. I'l divlge more if my Conference mates wish to.

MD Killer kittens beat the buffalo bengals :P

Jesus Pass. I thought my upcoming ruleset was fucked up. :)

U of BK Drones ready to play some ball.

I think D1 it makes sense for us to play each other as there is a 50/50 chance that we'd win and that winners should play winners tomorrow and losers play losers. In this way we can get some some people with some powerpoints early on, to give the conference scouts some suspects to look at.

heh, yeah...that's why I wanted the long Day 1, to let everyone have some time to get comfortable with the rules, and ask questions.

How do we handle or want to handle Notre Dame? we can't sanction them but don't want them to win..

That is why I asked if everyone thought it was a good idea to go ahead and reveal their conferences.. so we know right away who notre dame is.

Checking in, and it's going to take me a couple more read-throughs of the rules to understand what the hell's going on.

I typically say I'll be most active the 2 or 3 hours before a deadline, but then I end up posting all day from work anyway.

University Falls Church Crushers checking in.

Barkeep is right about challenging each other on D1 -- it has the best return on investment that we can get.

Alan's suggestion of revealing conferences also makes sense. I cannot see a downside in revealing now, and it outs ND, which is to all of our benefits. Can anyone else see a problem with this?

Checking in, I have no idea what I'm doing, need to re-read a bunch.

Well the main reason for it in my mind is this:

We don't want to give ND points at the harm of the rest of us.. Having ND challenge another human team and then win, hurts all of us right? Also having ND get the points ends up having someone else to scan without realizing it is ND..

This way if we all reveal before anyone does any challenges we avoid ND being challenged by any other team, and it also gives us one less person to scan for who the bad guys are.

I'm ND. That information is bound to come out sooner rather than later anyway.

I revealed because I simply couldn't come up with a strategy of how people would vote for me in the polls anyway once I was revealed D5.

Makes sense to me. I guess I dont understand how the BCS at large spot is figured out.. Highest ranking in the polls or the computer ratings or something else? If its simply the computer rating, what is the point of the polls? If its the polls, then is the computer rating just for us to know who has the most powerpoints?

It's the average of the computer rankings, the private poll, and the public poll.

With apologies to Pass:

So if I had been in a conference I was going to urge that my fellow conference members role reveal. If two people claim the same role in the conference then it should be a matter of convincing someone in a different conference to scan them. I see no reason why we couldn't eliminate, at least by half, who the infilitrators might be.

DOLA - I would suggest that conferences role reveal in their PMs to each other and then any appropriate information could be publicly posted. I was not suggesting people to start role revealing here.

Heh, no apologies necessary! :)

I agree with this as well.. and think its good to get more information out..

One more question, are role reveals not allowed? By your comment it seems that way, but I must have missed that in the rules if so. (Admittedly I just read them this morning real fast).

Dola, on second thought.. BK what does that gain anyone? Pass earlier said the wolves have one of each roles in each conference anyways.. So they would just say that role and then you would not know which of the 4 is the wolf.. right? So I am not sure how the reveals within the conference helps out the wolves too much..

THat said, I still don't see how me revealing my role is harmful though as I can't be killed and if I get some form of attack from the wolves, I still can continue to help defeat them.

Role reveals are allowed. I just meant that the vote-winner won't get his role revealed, and that duking won't reveal your role -- basically that there will never be a role reveal from me.

Checking in. My institution?

Boone County Vocational Technical Institute

You can call it Boone County Vo-Tech.

Buckeye State Bugmen checking in.

These rules have me confused as all hell.

OK, so if there is a human vs. human game day 1 how is a winner determined?

Each team has a 50/50 shot of winning.

Challenge Barkeep
I want a crack at Notre Dame

Checking in.

I think it would be smart for someone (maybe Barkeep) to list groups of four teams for each scout to view. That way, we will avoid redundant checks early on (although it could become a problem later--the other conference members should be able to provide some sort of check on this).

Then, the scouts can divide the groups up and work from them.

I was hoping that we would all reveal who was in each conference.. I see no reason to hide this information and am about to reveal my conference anyways I think.. the wolves already know this information, so we should share it too.

Then match up conferences saying scout in Conf A scans Conf B. scout in Conf B scans Conf A . Scout in Conf C scans Conf D and scout in Conf d scans Conf C..

Any issue with this plan at all?

I accept.

To lock in the game for the day, you have to accept per the rules.

Challenge Claphamsa

No kitten is going to intimidate us!

Is there any downside to role-revealing inside the conference? Can the detractors make any use of that information?

I wondered that as well.

St. Cronin's University Blue Man Group representin'.

accept chance to dominate render!!!!

Challenge St. Cronin

After helping to put nails into your coffin in WW last week, I feel I owe you a chance at payback.

[b]Accept Lathum[/]b

checking in

Accept Lathum

Boy did I want to edit post 96 :)

are you new?

Well it used to be considered acceptable by many GMs to edit your post with-in a minute or so of posting to fix typos and such, but that acceptance seems to no longer be the case.