November Console Sales Numbers
 

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3165014

lol.

Nintendo continue to amaze me. It's really not even close.

I assume that is US only, or is it worldwide?

That'd be US only, or else PS3 would be higher.

One of my favourite things about these console sale number threads is all the 360 fans and PS3 fans battling it out for which console is a distant second or third best in a race that is being absolutely dominated by Nintendo.

NPD sales in North America since the 360 launched.

Here's the total numbers...........

November Worldwide Totals:

Wii: 1,939,000
PS3: 1,197,000
360: 1,149,000

November North American Totals:

Wii: 981K
360: 770K
PS3: 466K

November Japanese Totals:

Wii: 237K
PS3: 215K
360: 50K

November PAL Totals:

Wii: 721K
PS3: 516K
360: 329K

What is the source of those worldwide numbers?

Fuck the worldwide numbers.

His boss at Sony :P

Nintendo DS :eek:

I wonder how many Wiis Nintendo could have sold without supply constraints.

Nice sales for Super Mario Galaxy, such an awesome game.

I found some non top-10 sales figures, there's a few interesting things. Uncharted kinda bombed.


Guitar Hero III (360) - 367.2K
Mario and Sonic at the Olympics (Wii) - 330k
Rock Band (360) - 312k
Wii Zapper incl. Crossbow Training (Wii) - 232k
Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 226.5K
Lego Star Wars (Wii)- 180k
High School Musical (Wii) - 180k
Resident Evil UC (Wii) - 130k
Uncharted (PS3) - 117k
Crysis (PC) - 86.6k
Rock Band (PS3) - 70k
Ratchet and Clank (PS3) - 67k
FFXII: Revenant Wings (DS) - 48.6K
Zack & Wiki (Wii) - 35k
Unreal Tournament 3 (PC) - 34k
Manhunt 2 (Wii) - 18.5k

Wii: Supply constraints or Deliberate Marketing?

Is it really that freaking hard to open up a few new supply/manufacturing lines? Hell, the DS is often sold out of most all of the colors at any given point in time. Good luck finding a Pink one if you don't get lucky.

I'm getting to the point with Wii that I'm getting close to no longer caring about the system. I'm not foolish to act that this will disrupt Nintendo's master plan, but I haven't seen ONE yet in a normal walk in situation. They've been out for a year. What's going on!

You know what's interesting to me this month? Guitar Hero III for the PS2 and Wii apparently out-sold the 360 and PS3 counterparts, and were Top 10 this month!

How the hell is Wii Zapper considered a game. That's even worse than the lameass "Wii Play" that's not really a game either.

That's unfair - I think he's PR, but the worldwide numbers are very interesting. If the PS3 is outselling the 360 worldwide, its worth noting.

Not to me - people could use their old GH II guitars on the PS2 - why pay $90 when you can pay $50?

Absolutely. Gaming companies don't care where their money is coming from.

Bingo. I have a 360 and a PS3, and I bought GH3 on the PS2.

Before launch I guess they had no idea demand would be this high after what happened with the Nintendo 64 and GameCube. Still, Nintendo has produced more Wiis in it's first year than any other console in history, it just isn't enough.


The PS2 numbers aren't surprising, as stated people can use the old guitars. The Wii numbers are surprisingly high, EA has to be regretting not having Wii (and PS2) versions of Rock Band out this holiday season.

PS3 catching up to second place! At this rate it will catch the XBOX 360 in total worldwide sales in approximately 15 years.

A nice total for Mario Galaxy and even more encouraging to see GH3 for the Wii with some good 3P sales numbers. The COD numbers are surprising to me but maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention.

{Nintendo fanboy gloat}Oh, and btw, the DS sells fairly well. How's that handheld gaming "battle" with the PSP going? What, you mean Nintendo isn't just fluff and kiddie stuff that will roll over whenever someone enters the market, particularly half assed, at best?{/Nintendo fanboy gloat}


I can't remember- were all versions released the same day or was it staggered?

SI

However, it is not. Just this one month in which a price drop saw a surge in sales of people waiting for it.

Off the top of my head I think that the launch of the PS3 was the last time that it did outsell the 360 in worldwide sales.

-- Steve --

December is generally double November, 3m DS Lites sold next month would be amazing. I think it will pass the PS2 eventually.

GH3 came out the same day for all platforms.

These threads are always so funny.

1) Second place is huge, especially to Sony. The Wii is going to win the war. There isn't any doubt about that anymore. But I think the 360 and PS3 will still sell more software in the long run and second is critical to that.

2) I keep saying it, but it keeps being true: MS cared about the American market far more than any other market. They spent money marketing in Japan, but they knew they weren't carving out a lot of market share there. The PAL terrirories are dissapointing to MS, but they aren't crying over them either.

3) With that said, the US numbers have to be frightening for Sony. They cut the price of the PS3 and are still over 300k behind the 360 in US sales. That's close to devastating. If they can't close the US gap, they have no chance of catching the 360 in worldwide sales. It's what Daimyo pointed out. You are talking about an incredible ass kicking here. As of last month, the PS3 had to outsell the 360 by 300k a month for three years to catch up. 50k isn't going to cut it. And that 50k number will probably lower.

That's just painful for Sony. No matter how they try to spin it, this is getting worse by the month.

I wonder what you get when you divide all these numbers?

42

2/3

42=2/3

Life makes so much more sense now. I wish I had known that sooner, I could have been a millionaire.

BTW, I was one of those DS buyers in November. Got the gold one with Zelda for the daughter. She had wanted a pink one, but she really liked the Gold when she saw it, so since it came with a game we went for that. If I had known pink was hard to find I would have grabbed a couple for EBay.

Also, the wife informs me she wants to buy a PS3 in the spring. We have a 360 but I won't argue. It will be our second PS3. We got one earlier this year and returned it unopened after a month. I never opened it because I didn't see any games worth playing.

Correct answer. :D

I guess Sony is finally getting on board with the whole "DLC value card at retail bit."

They sent me a Christmas card today with a $20 PlayStation Network card in there. Now I just gotta figure out what to use it on.

Are the pinks(Coral) really that hard to find? At last check my store still has 5. And we've had at least that many in stock for forever.


Question for anyone that knows: Whats the hardware/chip/whatever difference in the 399 PS3 and the older 60&80gb PS3s besides the 60&80s ability to do emulation of PS2?

Are the 399s any step up in design and reliability like the new 360 on the shelves are?

I don't see them all the time, but I see them fairly often when I am in the electronics section of stores where I live. The post above, and posts I have read over the months, make it seem like it is super hard to find.

I know last Christmas is was super hard to find with lots of people wanting them.

It is a "peripheral" (a dumb one) that has a pack-in game. Yes, the pack-in game is actually a game. So is Wii Play. It's not worse than Wii Play though because the Zapper is horrible and worthless while the Wii Remote that comes with Wii Play is almost a necessity (meaning that more people are buying the Zapper for the pack-in game than are buying Wii Play for the game itself--making the sales number more meaningful for software sales).

Last Christmas the pink was ridiculously scarce. This year, we have more pinks in stock than any other color, although a week before Christmas, all four are in stock.

Nintendo did a great job with build-up on supply there.

My daughter has a DS and I have a PSP

I can't stand the DS and I love the PSP. Again, Nintendo wins the kids but not the adults.

Super Mario Galaxy was complete crap. I have no clue how games like that garner 98% ratings and the such.

I really don't understand how Nintendo does it. We have a Wii and I think it is a piece of crap as I've mentioned before. My daughter likes it, but she actually likes her gamecube games more.

For example, she likes Mario Party GC better then Marior Party Wii. She likes Super Mario Strikers GC more the Super Mario Strikers on Wii.

The controller scheme is crap.

The 40 GB PS3s has improved bluetooth so the controllers don't randomly disconnect from the console as often. But yeah, you lose backwards compatibility.

I don't think reliability was ever a concern with the console, unlike the 360.

From a conference call/interview with Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime-

Regarding shortages

On the userbase

On Super Mario Galaxy and software sales

I can't wait for the first YouTube video of some kids getting an IOU for a Wii on Christmas morning :D

The software tie ratio is pretty interesting as well.

That software Tie rate is bullshit if they consider Wii Zapper and Wii Play to actually be "software."

Again, the Wii Zapper is basically a game with a piece of plastic to hold your wii-mote in. It is much more software than Wii Play (which is closer to a free game with your extra wii-mote).

I didn't realize the pink DSs were scarce. Last Christmas I wanted to get a DS for my mother-in-law and pink was the ONLY color I could find anywhere!

Last month, the 360 had a worldwide sales lead of roughly 300K units. I think a shift of 350K units to where the PS3 now has a monthly lead of 50K units is certainly of note. As TroyF mentioned, 50K a month isn't going to win the war, but it's a move in the right direction for Sony.

The Wii situation has to be extremely frustrating for Nintendo. A shortage last year was understandable. A shortage this year is unacceptable. This is the year they should be cashing in on the hype by selling Wii's at what is still a high retail price. Instead, they can't keep units on the shelves. That's no longer a demand issue, that's poor planning by a very large company that should have handled this much better. They're going to make plenty of money, but they could have made MUCH more.

Media Create/Famitsu do the Japanese numbers. VGChartz compiles the sales numbers from the various PAL countries to create a composite number for that region.

They don't need moves in the right direction, they need to start getting their market share back, ESPECIALLY in the US market. I don't care what anyone says about worldwide numbers, they all sell the same, blah, blah, blah. If you are third in the US market selling 300k less consoles than SECOND place, you are doomed for failure.

Yeah, it's worth nothing that Sony actually started selling consoles in Japan, a market they expected to seel this way a year ago when the console was released. But they are still in a horrific spot now.

I generally find it amusing that no one in the October thread would buy into my statement that the PS3 would outsell the 360 in worldwide sales. Not one. Crazy talk. Now that it's happened, it's just a blip on the radar. An anomoly. Fair enough.

Wow. Are you telling me the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 by 10 million units last month?

Or are you banking on a potential one-month anomaly yourself to make you "right"?

I could go back and look, but if I recall correctly the reason you predicted it was because of a lot of one time events. One time events don't equal a trend. Not to mention it was a very small amount. When you need multiple one time events to get 2nd place by a nose, you may have a problem.

Anytime Microsoft had a price drop in Japan, the sales went up for a little bit. Or when DOA3 came out, there was a sales spike. None of it lasted. One time events happen, and they don't win or lose the war. It just doesn't work that way.

-- Steve --

Actually, everyone agreed there could be a blip this month, but everyone argued against your statement that they would catch up by 2009. Which involved them outselling the 360 by 300K+ per month. Which did NOT happen this month.

Price is still a major barrier when it comes to mass consumer electronics. Sony has made the adjustments they need to make in order to make the PS3 competitive. The question is, when is Microsoft going to respond aggressively to counteract Sony's moves.

I'm sure the Home & Entertainment division has been ecstatic about finally posting profits with the gaming division, but I can't imagine they're so short-sighted as to not see that this is just a nice battle victory, but the war itself is far from over. The major money in this business, at least for the business models that Sony and MS are using, is in the license fees they get for every game sold on their platforms. Yeah, eventually in the life cycle the cost of the parts drops below the price drops on selling the hardware and they no longer lose money in that front, but that's secondary to building a huge install base of units and reaping the rewards of millions and millions of games sold for that platform and the licensing fees rolling in.

While Microsoft may be ecstatic about the many many missteps Sony has made in this generation of the console wars, they are also making mistakes themselves in not taking greater advantage of the gifts they've been given by Sony.

I'd bet that they are confident they have a strong enough lineup of games and momentum that they will keep their current pricing through this holiday season, but I would expect that in the new year they will drop their prices and try to slow/reverse the momentum Sony has gotten from their price cuts.

FWIW the Zapper counts as an accessory despite coming with a game that people seem to like more than the hunk of plastic it comes with. Wii Play counts as a game despite most people buying it since it comes with a Wiimote. Wii Sports doesn't count though, despite being the reason many people bought the Wii.

Current gen console tie ratios I found on NeoGAF if anyone cares:

PS3 - 4.01
Wii - 3.86 (as stated, Wii Sports not included)
360 - 6.85
360 (at this point last year, negating the one year head start) - 5.2

The Wii actually had higher software sales in the US during it's first year than the 360, it's just that the hardware sales are so much higher that it lags in the tie-ratio.

Last gen approximations-

PS2 ~ 13, Xbox ~ 10, GameCube ~ 8

So is the scarcity of the Wii a marketting strategy? Or are they just unable to keep up with demand?

I can see intentional market scarcity being a boon at launch with the media buzz and all. I don't get intentionally throwing away sales that would be booked in huge numbers more than a year after release.

I say this, as last weekend I sat out infront of a Toys R Us for 2 hours in freezing temperatures to get my kids a Wii for Christmas.

I think at this point, it's a combination of stubbornness and bad contracts (i.e. they don't want to change how their supply chain works). I can't think anyone at Nintendo is happy about shortages that are costing them literally millions of units this Christmas, when they could be making a huge sales dent.

SI

11 people sitting outside Best Buy at 12:30 in the morning when I left work. Craziness.

Target here gave out word that they would have 54 this morning.

They open at 8:00. I wasn't planning on fighting the line, but I woke up at 7:00 and I figured I'd go for shits and giggles and see if there were any tickets left.

I talked to a guy in the parking lot that was there at 1:30...

He got number 21.

Good god, just not worth it for me.

I can throw up a few posts if you want of people who thought there was no way that the PS3 would pass the 360 this month. If you agreed that the PS3 would pass the 360 this month, you were the only one. I never said they would outsell them by 300K this month worldwide.

You know what is really crazy? look at November games sales in Spain:

Total

1. WWE SMACKDOWN! VS. RAW 2008 (PS2)
2. PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2008 (PS2)
3. ASSASSIN'S CREED (PS3)
4. SUPER MARIO GALAXY (WII)
5. CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE (PS3)
6. MAS BRAIN TRAINING (NDS)
7. WWE SMACKDOWN! VS. RAW 2008 (PSP)
8. DRAGON BALL Z: BUDOKAI TENKAICHI 3 (PS2)
9. IMAGINA SER MAMA (NDS)
10. PRO EVOLUTION SOCCER 2008 (PS3)

WTF??? a Wrestling game outselling a soccer game?? This country is going nohere :D

Seriously now, wrestling is becoming huge all the sudden in Spain. We had no have wrestling in TV since the 80's with Hulk Hogan, the Ultimate Warrior etc. Past a year a new TV company brought it back again and it's becoming the most watched show by kids in Spain.

Now on a note more related to the thread title, notice not any 360 game in the top 10 list, Microsoft is doing nothing here, this is clearly Sony territory as has always been, with Nintendo getting close.

I didn't say they'd outsell them by 10M units this month. Link? I said they would pass the 360 in 2009.

I disagree that it will be a one month anomoly. The PS3 will outsell the 360 worldwide in December as well. Microsoft has a problem in Europe right now in regard to worldwide sales. They are getting beat soundly with the sales numbers in Europe now reaching levels similar to North America. Wii supply problems are also evident in N/A. The Wii is at a crisis point right now. They are giving away crucial sales because of their supply shortage. Their at the point where they risk losing customers who simply stop looking for Wii's. Judging from Japanese Wii sales, it appears that they are receiving more Wii's, thereby hurting supply in other regions. PS3 needs a Japan boost with Gran Tursmo coming this week.

Here are the early sales numbers already in for the first week in December:

:D :D :D :D :D

Dude that tin-foil hat you're wearing is way too tight.

Nintendo has some major issues. They could easily sell 600-700K units a WEEK if they weren't supply constrained like they are right now. It's Economics 101 that you don't want to supply constrain a market for this length of time. At some point, consumers begin looking at other alternatives with a realization that they won't be able to get that product. With the 360 and PS3 having lower prices, they're a viable alternative for roughly the same price.

The problem is that for a lot of people looking for a Wii there are no other alternatives. There just isn't anything else like it on the market right now.

While Nintendo potentially could be doing better, "Crisis Point" is certainly a bit extreme..

Even you can see that, can't you?

It is clear that they are sinking. This is a company in trouble. They have sold out their console in every store for over a year now. If it isn't obvious they are going down, I don't know how to make it more clear.

Guess its time for me to go bury my Wii in the backyard and wait for the inevitable collapse of the Wii market. Y2K was just the start, we're going to need Charlie Steiner to lead us out of this mess.

I would still take the supply constrained Wii sales numbers to the PS3 (or 360) no constraint sales numbers. All the supply numbers are doing are making this an ass kicking rather than an ass whooping. That isn't so bad.

I actually see the point that Mizzou is making about the Wii.

I'm on the Wii bandwagon. I'm not in the market for a PS3 or a 360. I only bought a PS2 after the PS3 came out. I really have no business in this thread.

I think Mizzou has a point...I'm not sure I'd call it a crisis, but Nintendo has actually driven some customers off. I know because I was faced with being unable to buy a Wii, and was very close to making the 360/PS3 shift. I know I'm not alone in wanting to buy my kids a game console, by allowing it to become SO hard to buy a Wii Nintendo is opening themselves up to not only losing a sale, but in driving up the sales numbers for the competition. How much it is costing them is debatable, but the fact that they have dropped the ball, and that it IS costing them shouldn't be.

Driving a few customers isn't going to be that big of a deal, and they have tried increasing their output. It isn't as if you can just throw up a new manufacturing plant whenever you want to. I think the hype that is generated by the shortage gains customers anyway, so it probably balances out.

Still trying to figure out why some people care so much about who is #1, 2, or 3 unless you work for that company......

Even then, nobody is losing a job over this soon.

I think I mentioned this in another thread before, Toys R Us. They are selling them on sundays. The local one to me had 102 today, I got in line at 715, and I was #59.

Playing "armchair CEO" isn't all that much different from playing "armchair Quarter Back". Rather than having WRs, DEs and gameplans, we have CEOs, PR-people and economics. Seems reasonable that some set of people that like doing one would like doing the other as well.

I've been wondering about my Wii purchase since it is sitting around until Christmas... and this post made me feel a bit worried.

Then I saw who posted it, and now I feel great about it!

Here's an article detailing just how much it is costing. Estimates top $1 billion dollars in addition to the 8% loss in stock value in just one month's time...............

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=8349&Itemid=2

Nintendo does look pretty inept for not being able to ramp up production to meet demand in over a year's time. Perhaps they were used to their consoles not selling for crap and are still too stunned to respond! ;)

This might just be me, but I find that wording to be misleading. Nintendo must still be making plenty of money, but they are leaving potential revenue on the table by not having a large enough supply. With all of the business analysis happening in this thread, using the word "cost" in this way seems wrong. Also, it should be noted that these aren't lost sales, but delayed sales. Surely some of the sales will be lost as potential customers get less interested after the holidays, but many (most?) of these sales will still happen...just not this holiday season.

1) Nintendo is at a "crisis point" OMG, I haven't laughed that hard in years. Thanks Mizzou. Yeah, it's incredible how fast Nintendo is going under. They released their console at the same time as the PS3 and a year later continue to double it in worldwide sales, a number that increases each month.

2) You do realize that "cost" Nintendo 1 billion is like the government saying Medicare is getting "cut," don't you? In the case of Medicare getting cut, it doesn't mean less money is coming in, it means the rate increase will drop. Same thing for Nintendo here. Yeah, they would certainly rather meet demand. Who wouldn't? But they are still selling every console they make. They are selling almost every DS they put out there. And the "cost" in this case will be made up by many consumers still buying the product. They may lose a few people to this, but most people are going to pick one up when they see it out there.

3) The 360 vs. PS3 debate is almost as funny. Sony gets a 50k win in worldwide numbers and now MS is at a crisis point. Ummmmm, no, they aren't. Sony isn't going to beat the 360 by sneaking out 50k wins during the holiday season. As less consoles are sold throughout the rest of the year, Sony isn't going to make up any ground at all. The weekly numbers I've seen had the PS3 beating the 360 by about 3k units worldwide the first week of December. You say that the PS3 will catch the 360 worldwide by '09?

How do you see the PS3 beating the 360 by an average of over 300k a month over the next 24 months? At what point is PS3 fever going to kick in and send everyone flying to the stores?

The PS3 has a loaded lineup coming out next year, but I don't think it's loaded enough to assume it's going to start outselling MS by that many units next holiday season. And MS doesn't exactly have a "weak" lineup scheduled for next year either.

That brings up another point. The next big PS3 release is going to be in early March, correct? GTHD and The Show. Followed by Little Big Planet in April (I'm really looking forward to that one) In reality, we even take off another couple of months. The PS3 isn't going to start outselling the 360 by that many units until it gets some exclusives people have to have. We can pretty much knock off another quarter of a year until the PS3 exclusives kick in. Now we jump to, what, 350k a month for 20 months?

Maybe it'll happen, but I have a tough time seeing how.

Thanks Butter! I'm glad I could bring some christmas cheer.

On a serious note though, the wand aspect of the Wii, is what she dislikes. I'm Mario Strikers for Wii, you have to use the wand on the screen to block balls. It can be hard for younger kids 5 about to be 6 to do this.

If you have a wall mountable big screen TV, the pointer device is pretty difficult for kids to use. Even starting here old Gamecube games is difficult. You have to point over that area on the screen. The problem is the TV is taller then she is.

I'll avoid quoting everything to keep the thread clutter down. Nintendo is having severe issues right now and even the executives had publicly made statements in that regard. Just because they are selling every unit they make does not mean that they are not botching the situation badly. All products have a limited window of sales. Having a shortage on a product during a time where they should have a full supply and be selling 2X or 3X the number of units that they're currently selling is a major screw up. They're missing out on major revenue streams. They have to hope that they'll make up the difference in gift card redemptions, but there are no signs that they'll be able to resolve this supply issue anytime soon. Investors are showing their displeasure by selling off Nintendo stock. Stock price is a major bellweather of a company's health.

In your list of games for the spring, you made a small omission of Metal Gear Solid 4. It's now an April release.

I'm certainly not the only one that believes that the PS3 will surpass the 360 in 2009. Obviously, that's going to take some time to resolve itself. For the short term, we'll have to look to see if Sony can continue to make headway worldwide. If they can push that worldwide lead out from the roughly 50K that they had this month, it would be a good sign that price break wasn't the only driving factor in the November PS3 sales boost.

One issue console manufacturers have to deal with is how much production to have. One of the worst situations you can be in is ramping up a fab, only to meet all demand quickly and then have the fab sitting idle. Nintendo has one of the fastest selling consoles EVER, but at that clip even they have to be wondering when it will stop. It's a balancing act, that's for sure.

Sony had that problem when the PS3 first came out. They had a pretty heavy supply that sat around for awhile. That certainly wasn't a good thing either. I don't think that supply constraint is a bad thing when a system is first released or during its first holiday season. But this is the second holiday season for the Wii and there's not a single soul that didn't know that this kind of demand was going to occur. I'm sure Nintendo wants to make sure the manufacturing process is up to snuff, but there had to be a way to resolve this issue knowing that it was coming months in advance.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2...d-numbers.html

The conclusion from the article (and you should read it to see how he came to the conclusion):

Put your sensor bar under the TV. You don't have to aim at the TV at all to use the pointing device. The remote just has to be able to "see" the sensor bar.

"Stock price is a major bellweather of a company's health."

yes, and an 8% drop after a 500% increase in 2 years is really a "crisis"

Once again, Bill is only analyzing the North American market in his console posts.

Regarding his analysis, it certainly is an interesting read, but I'm not sure that it relates to the current market all that much. We've never had a console market where two consoles that are not bleeding-edge (Wii and PS2) were doing so well against higher-end consoles. This is a whole new situation we're dealing with. We're literally writing new economic case analysis as we go along in regards to this console battle.

This is the same sort of backwards thinking thats causing MS/Sony to get their asses kicked. The Wii IS on the bleeding edge of technology. Just not processor speed. Its the first console since NES to fundamentaly change the way people interact with video games. Thats bleeding edge.


People don't care about processor speed.


Your point is valid though, as this doesn't fit current case studies. We've also never seen a console sell as well as the Wii, while hitting its "caps" essentially.

If the first week's numbers are right, they aren't pushing the lead out at all, the 50k advantage would be 12k for the month.

Saying "I'm not the only one who thinks the PS3 will catch the 360" doesn't really do anything for me. There are more than one person who believe in the Easter Bunny too, it doesn't mean he's hopping through my door with eggs for me this spring.

I think the assumptions are based on three things:

1) People still think Sony is top dog and are still stunned by how far they've fallen with this launch. (they HAVE to make it up, don't they?)

2) People think the strong lineup of games will swing the momentum in Sony's favor and MS will back away.

3) People are taking high amounts of cough syrup.

Again, we'll see how it develops, but I don't see it. The 360 isn't going to throw up their hands and say "Awww, damnit, FF has been released, well, let's sell our remaining stock for scrap and close our video game department down. We gave it a shot." Sony has it figured out now. They have the pricing better, they have better commercials, they aren't making a jack ass comment every other day. But that doesn't mean they are headed for 300k a month sales wins over the next 24 months either.

As for Nintendo, give it a rest. I'm serious on this. Anyone who tries to make it look like Nintendo is in a crisis mode is kidding themselves. (or are hitting that worldwide cough syrup total)

They are fine. Repeat after me: They are just fine. The company is making money hand over fist. They are selling everything they put out. DS, WII, Mario Galaxy, whatever. . .

On January 3, 2007, Nintendo closed the day with their stock price at $32.44. As the market closed on Friday, their stock was at $72.44

They've lost about $5 a share in the last couple of weeks with some idiots dropping off board and probably some people thinking the stock has peaked, but the growth rate in their stock will sitll be over 100% this year. (just a quick FYI, that's kinda good)

Somehow, I think Nintendo is gonna come out of this ok.

Fine, if you don't like the term 'crisis', pick another one if you're hung up on that term. Nintendo shouldn't be dealing with lost revenue and falling stock prices at this point in the life cycle of the Wii.

Also, your use of percentages in regard to the stock prices is fuzzy at best. That 8% loss is a percentage of total stock price lost. A better way of stating it is stating that roughly 50% of that 500% gain was lost in one month. That's a major stock price hit and is awfully scary if you're an investor who thought your company had a 'can't miss' product on their hands. The truth is that they do have a 'can't miss' product on their hands, but it isn't going to do nearly as well if you can't meet the demand.

And Sony shouldn't be dealing with 3rd place at this point in the life cycle of the PS3. But that doesn't stop you from predicting great things ahead for them.

Some day you'll realise that you use one argument in one case, and then go exactly the opposite to debate a different point. Some day.

Here's a metaphor:

Saying Nintendo has a crisis right now is like saying the Patriots have an offensive crisis right now because Kyle Brady is hurt.


yeah, Nintendo is losing potential sales right now, but they're still outselling everyone by a huge margin.

Don't forget, in January, when the PS3/360 numbers drop back down into normal ranges, the Wii won't. They'll keep selling every single piece of hardware they can put together. The stock prices will go back up.


Seriously, the stock price dropping is a very nice opportunity to make some cash.

I agree that they'll be financially fine. But they're going to be kicking themselves in the ass over just how much more they could have made. That isn't sitting well with investors or the Nintendo execs as has been made plainly clear in recent articles.

OK, I'll try:

"Nintendo: Guess what? We aren't perfect, but we're still kicking your asses. Merry Chrismas!!!"

My metaphor was going to be winning the lottery and then having the "crisis" of learning that someone else had the same numbers so I have to share the winnings. It isn't an optimal situation, but it is still pretty good.

Nintendo in crisis? Seriously?

The table below is worldwide sales for each of the consoles approximately one year after their North American release (source: vgchartz.com). Sure, the Wii is missing out on potential sales this holiday season, but its pretty crazy to criticize them for the supply issues considering they've sold nearly twice as many consoles in one year as anyone else in the last 20 years.

Wii	16,288,831
PS2	8,367,976
Xbox360	7,959,845
PS3	7,194,575
Xbox	6,490,007
Gamecube	6,408,925
Super NES	5,692,116
PSX	3,680,641
Saturn	3,165,977
N64	2,252,801
Dreamcast	1,836,548

I'm not totally sure about that at this point. Many of the investment analysts are saying that the Nintendo stock has reached a mature level at this point and won't see anything near the return that we've seen since the Wii release. Most of the gain over the past year or so has been due to a major undervaluation of the Nintendo stock. Now that they've corrected the value, the gains aren't going to be nearly as big.

Interestingly enough, in Japan, Sony may have benefitted in recent weeks from the sale of Nintendo stock. Analysts say that some of the sellers believe that Nintendo stock has hit a plateau and are now moving their investments to Sony, which they say is undervalued due to the recent surge in PS3 sales. Who knows whether or not that trend will continue.

Article discussing Nintendo stock price drop & movement of investments.......

http://www.reuters.com/article/compa...BrandChannel=0

As I stated before, no issues with the sales numbers and the hangup on the word 'crisis' is noted. With that said, Nintendo is giving away major amounts of profits and even their executives are openly admitting that.

Man...that Sony is something. They benefit from everything!

Did you read the article? What did you disagree with in the analysis?

Dude, I'm agreeing with you! Sony rocks!

Your comedy routine is nearly as good as Carrot Top. Really, I mean it. :)