WW LXVI: Money Money Money (Game Over!)
 

Chief's game looks to be wrapping up. I would love to start early next week. Rules are below. You'll noticed that they are unfinished (there is XX in a couple of places); I need a sense of how many players will be in the game so I can figure out realistic amounts of money to put into the game. Sign-ups start now. I'd like at least 12 for the game, and after that the more the merrier. Don't hesitate to ask questions.

Also I know that this will be important to some people: I simply think that the game balance would be thrown off by a 24 hour cycle. My plan for deadlines are 10 PM Eastern for Day and 7 or 8 AM Eastern for Night. I will, however, accept conditional votes for those for whom that would make a difference.

Sign-ups
1. Lathum
2. Pass
3. hoopsguy
4. path
5. Render
6. Arles
7. Alan T
8. The Jackal
9. Chief Rum
10. mauboy
11. Schmidty
12. claphamsa
13. SnDvls
14. Mr. Wednesday
15. Swaggs
16. DaddyTorgo
17. saldana
18. Tyrith

nm

Some people want happiness. Some people want love. Your goal is a good deal simpler: you want money and of course that’s what your friends (aka people who have enough money to make it worth socializing with) want as well. And being the competitive sort, you’d like to be the richest person amongst your friends. Of course your friends feel the same way. And for years that’s all been well and good. But now some have decided to take this friendly informal competition too far. They are killing people to get their way.

Rules
There are the traditional two sides to this game: the Rich (aka Villagers) & the Cutthroat (aka Wolves). The goal for each side is to have the most money when the game ends. Each player begins the game, on Day 1, with $30,000.


Each day the group will choose one player to bankrupt, using their collective influence. You should vote for this player by voting for them at the end of your post using bold and the color blue.


You may NOT unvote in this game. Like everything else voting costs money, $10,000 a vote, however your first vote is free. You may cast as many or few votes as you wish (and your cash allows). For each day that you cast at least 1 vote you receive $15,000 at the start of the next day. Tie votes will result in no bankruptcy.

There will be no roles (e.g. seer) in this game. Instead a player may win the use of a service. Each day a player may bid on 1 service. To submit a bid the player should PM me with the name of the service they’re bidding on and the amount they’re bidding in the PM title. Only the last bid on a day will be considered. Tie bids are broken by a predetermined secret non-random tie breaker. Winning amounts, but not who bid, will be published daily.

Players may give money to each other in the thread, though once per day the Cutthroat may transfer money from one player to another privately by PM’ing me.

Players may choose to keep their money in one of three places (players may put money into more than one place):
On hand – Eligible to be used freely, however, any money on hand is given to Cutthroat upon death.
In the bank – Eligible to be used freely, however money in the bank is revealed to the winner of an auction each day
In a CD – Players may buy a 1, 2, or 3 day CD. This money may not be spent, but the money earns interest. A 1 day CD pays 5% interest, a 2 day CD pays 7.5% interest (compounded daily), and a 3 day CD pays 10% interest (compounded daily).

Players may change where they have money as a night action. When submitting this action they may account for where they would like their $15,000 voting bonus to go.

The game will start with a Day 0. Players need to do two three actions during Night 0. First they must state an amount between $20,000 and $100,000. During the game the Cutthroats will have the chance to bribe a player or players. If they meet the asking price for a player, that player will be converted to the cutthroat side and the money removed from the game. If the bribe attempt fails that player gets to keep the attempted bribe.

Second, players must also name a beneficiary. When a player dies all their money (except what the Cutthroats take) goes to the beneficiary. Players may change their beneficiary at any time for the cost of $10,000.

Finally players must decide how they are going to distribute their initial $30,000.

Players who attempt to spend money which they do not have will be investigated by the FBI, and may be found guilty of fraud. If so they lose and are removed from the game.

Finally, the game does not end in the traditional way. Anytime after Day 4 the players may “Vote to end the game”. Once 60% of players vote to end the game the game is immediately over and the side with the most money wins. Players MAY rescind their vote to end the game.

Day 1:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose 1 player to be protected from attacks. Must be used night 1.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 1.
Government Insider: May avoid bankruptcy one time. This will be used automatically and is not given to your beneficiary upon death.

Day 2:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: Winning player protected from attacks. Must be used Night 2.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 2.
Telecommunications Mogul: May choose on Day 3 to either block all Cutthroat communication, or to allow all players PM rights.

Day 3:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose 1 player to be protected from attacks. May be used any night.
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of a player on each of two nights. Must be used night 3 & 4.
Thief: May choose to rob a player’s on hand OR Bank Account. May be used any night, but is not given to your beneficiary upon death.

Day 4:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Wiretapper: Receives 20% of all money from successful auction bids on Days 4 & 5.
Notary Public: May change the beneficiary on another player’s will (without their knowledge). Must be used by Night 6.
Financial Analyst: Will learn the total money of 1 player. Must be used night 4.

Day 5:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose a player to be protected from attacks on two consecutive nights (may not be the same player). Must be used Nights 5 and 6.
Hitman: Winning player may choose another player to be killed. Must be used Night 5.
Lawyer: May learn the beneficiary of 2 players. Must be used Night 5.

Day 6:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 6.
Underworld connection: If won by the Cutthroats, they receive a bonus kill on Night 6. If won by the Rich no kill or conversion may happen that night.

Day 7:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: May choose 1 player to be protected from attacks.
Financial Analyst: Will learn the total money of 1 player. Must be used night 7.

Day 8:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 8.
Wiretapper: Receives 20% of all money from successful auction bids on Days 8 & 9.

Day 9:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Private Investigator: Will learn the side (Cutthroat or Rich) of 1 player. Must be used night 9
Government Insider: May not be bankrupted on the day won and the following day.

Day 10:
Friend at the Bank: Learn amounts all players have in the bank
Bodyguard Firm: Winning player protected from attacks. Must be night 10.
Lawyer: May learn the beneficiary of 2 players. Must be used Night 9.

Note 1: If game goes longer than 10 days, the cycle repeats starting at Day 6 (so Days 11 & 16 offers the same auction as Day 6, Days 12 & 17 the same as Day 7, and so on).

Note 2: If a power is good for more than one night and doesn’t state otherwise, it will be given to a player’s beneficiary if used when that player dies.

I want money, lots and lots of money
I want the pie in the sky
I want money, lots and lots of money
So don't be asking me why...
I wanna be rich!

I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack.

In.

Let's see how the schedule works out ... in.

Money Money Money
Must be funny
in a Rich man's world....


Sign me up.

Money, it's a crime
Share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pie
Money, so they say
Is the root of all evil today
But if you ask for a rise it's no surprise that they're
giving none away

I'm in

does this mean you are giving away your next game?

A man like that is hard to find but I can't get him off my mind
Ain't it sad
And if he happens to be free I bet he wouldn't fancy me
That's too bad
So I must leave, I'll have to go
To Las Vegas or Monaco
And win a fortune in a game, my life will never be the same


I'm in

Ill have to re-read the rules a few times, but count me in.

this ought to be interesting.. i'll be reading along.

but out

I'll play.

Whoa!

in-teresting

I'll be in, but honestly, if I were a WW GM, I sure as hell wouldn't want me in my game.

inarino

Hey BK, what's the plan for weekend play? I know I'm headed out of town earlier than normal on Friday and won't be on all weekend.

My thought would be an extended night cycle from Friday, likely until Sunday morning, and then an extended Day from Sunday morning to Monday night.

Ugh, im a night one casualty. can we just go ahead and start this one today?

KTHXBAI

I don't know if I really want to have to, but I'm going to sit this one out.

With my being gone for the weekends and the night actions being in a time when I'm not online, it's likely best.

I'll be reading though for sure!

Everyone's got a price

I'm in

yes but most people's price is in dollars Man, not pennies....

oh yeah, and for killing me last game when i couldnt make my arguemnt


vote path

So plan is to end sign-ups Monday early evening, likely around 6 or so, send out roles shortly there after. There is a Night 0, so that would run until 8 AM or so Tuesday. We would then get on the regular schedule.

So is the goal to have the most money individually, or for your team to have more money than the other team?

When the game ends the idea is to be on the team with the most money.

What happens if I bid all my money on a service...it's accepted, but I have none to vote?

In.

The one you should be getting on is olie, she's the one who had to choose between the two of you and didn't even bother to wait to be convinced (and, furthermore, didn't peruse the record closely enough).

First vote is free and gives you the $10,000 for the next day.

okay...i'm in

You've got the brawn, I've got the looks.
Let's make lots of money!

In

ooh, ntndeacon wins the song reference contest

oh man. bidding? is this going to end up like that fustercluck of a rome game. Ugh
(don't mind me...i'm grumpy right now)

Just think of all the typing I saved you.

I think it was less the bidding and more the lack of death reveals that caused problems in Rome, but I could be wrong. Also there's a difference between Rome, where your wealth was unknown, and here where it's very concrete.

I think the issue in Rome was that the strategic concepts behind the bidding were not explained well enough by the gm. People didn't have enough information to make good decisions.

i'll play

like I said...don't take that as an indictment of the Rome game. That was just for me the most frustrating WW game I've ever been a part of. And I'm still grumpy too, not trying to slag anyone. :D

hey, bck off, GRUMPY is MY domain around here.






;)

I've refused every invitation into WW lately...but this is so freaking tempting...I'm at least going to think about it.

This one sounds really cool but I think I'm going to to turn this one down since I'm retaking an actuary exam at the end of the month.

I've put a rough draft the the auction schedule up so people can ask questions about that. The rules are also in near final draft form. Both may see tweaks between now and the start of the game as I try to hone balance.

If I change anything going forward I will note it in a post.

Good luck dude!

When will the game start? If it's somewhere above, sorry I missed it. Just being sure, as I am about to go to bed, and have my usual two-job Monday, so I won't be able to get on, play, vote, read my initial PM, etc. until about 9 p.m. Monday my time at the earliest.

Do you need to pay to change your beneficiary if they die?

Does your money continue to accrue interest if in a CD upon your death before moving to your beneficiary or are assets immediately liquidated and passed on to the beneficiary?

Those services are awesome, this is going to be an interesting game.

Night 0 will be this afternoon/tonight, so you're fine for today. You'll have to get your vote in tomorrow along with your night actions, however.

Yes

The money stays in the CD until its term is up at which point the money goes to your beneficiary.

A few rule changes. I added in rules about tie breakers. Players may only change where they're keeping their money at night. Finally, the starting money was upped to $30,000 and the voting bonus upped to $15,000.

I want to do it, I want to do it, I want to do it....well, doesn't look like the games lately have been the 3,000 post monsters they used to be, so hopefully the time commitment will be manageable. Fine, you win, you've lured me back in.

'Bout time, dude. :)

Please let this game start -- my study materials haven't arrived yet, and I'm sick of reading everyone whine about Belichick leaving early in General Discussion.

Made some changes to the auction list. Most are slight (simply swapping what things are on what days or changing the scope of a service). Biggest change is the addition of the Thief on Day 3, the Financial Analyst was moved to Day 4, and there will be no Bodyguard services offered Day 4.

Like Pass I'm anxious to get the game underway, however simply don't have much time to do it until around hopefully 3 Eastern. If not it will be 4 Eastern.

Someone needs to write a "sending out PMs" macro.

VOTE TYRITH

welcome back dude

Figures that I get my PM right after my study material arrives.

Isn't that the way these things always go :)?

Just got my PM.

I am way to hung over to figure out what I need to do

See post 62 for the bare bones.

Checking in real quick. Busy day for me at work. Got my PM, but I haven't really looked through all of the recent rule changes. My PM stated that I need to name someone for my will, figure out where to split my money and set a "bribe amount" Is that all that is due today? I'm working from home tommorrow and thursday, so will be a bit easier for me to catch up those days on whats going on.

Oh didn't see your comment to Lathum. Ok I'll catch up on the rules later tonight when I have more time. I'll wait till I get through all of them before I comment more about the various things we have to do. Without understanding how it all works together, I don't really want to commit myself to doing certain things.

One question, do you -HAVE- to name a beneficiary today? What is the penalty if you wait a day or so before naming one?

Failure to name a beneficiary will result in your money being with-held until such a time that you have named a beneficiary.

This is also true for failure to specify your bribing price.

If a person doesn't say where they want their money it is assumed to be On Hand.

You can all make me your beneficiary.. as I am just a normal villegar!

ok thanks

Clap, thank you for volunteering - I was all set to pose the question to the group, but I'll just go ahead and name you.

Note to cutthroats - I hate being converted in Werewolf games. You can safely assume that my pricetag will be exorbitant ... don't come talking to me unless you are planning to empty out the vault first.

always willing to be helpful!

Barkeep, some more questions... sorry if these have already been answered..

The first vote is free.. Is that the first vote of the game, or first vote each day is free?

Is who I pick as my benefitiary made public anywhere? Is that information we gain to try to learn "alliances" of others, or is that kept hidden? Is that revealed upon someone's death?

Is the only money you can use to buy additional votes "On hand" money? Or can I use money I have in the bank for additional votes if I so choose?

Is the choice of putting X amount in the bank , on hand or in CDs changable on the fly, or only once a day at the end of the day?

Can I win the bodyguard firm and use it to protect myself at night?

Do you learn if you win the bid for things before having to decide where or how to use it? Or do you have to submit that with the bid?

I am really bad with interest bearing accounts, how much do the individual CDs provide if I were to put $10,000 into each of them, what would I get back when they mature?

Thanks.. sorry for all of the questions, I should have read the rules yesterday but got caught up in the superbowl, and today has just been hectic.

I like Hoops' thinking here, note to cutthroats, you can't afford me. Don't bother.

I'll try a different tact!

I may be bribeable... why not give it a try :)

I'm in the same boat w/ RendeR & Hoops

I've been a wolf too often lately...I'll be priced at the max for sure

Checking in. I haven't decided yet who should be my beneficiary. I'll be interested in any attempts to persuade me.

First vote of each day.

A beneficiary is revealed only upon death or by using the Lawyer service.

Money on hand and bank account money may both be used for bids and vote buying. Obviously each has their own disadvantages.

This can only be changed during the Night, except for the Cutthroat who get to privately transfer, once per day, money from one to another. And obviously if money goes into a multi-day CD it can't then be touched until the end.

Yes

No you win it before deciding to use it. So at the end of the day if you've won an auction you'll get a PM. This was the big reason why I went with the separate cycles.

1 Day - 10,500
2 Day - 11,556
3 Day - 13,310

Actually that was a big part reason I did the Night 0, rather than just have people do it as part of Day 1, so that people would have a chance to easy into the game before the auction got started fast and furious.

Ok, thanks BK

If we put in a losing bid, do we still pay the money?

No.

Okay, guys. I'm a rich dude. Sign me up as your beneficiary and I'll put you down. I'd like to 'trust' someone to put down my name. Anybody wanna do that?

You can trust me mau, im a governemtn accountant after all!

I will be too. Unless I'm not.

By the way, checking in rich.

I'm alive. And rich. And excited to get going.

I can be bought for cheap.

My head's spinning with these rules. I think I'll be the miser and hide all my money under a matress.

mine was too until I printed them out and actually sat down and read them.

I don't understand this game at all. I will fail.

I have no printer, and I have an eyelash in one of my eyes, so reading hurts.

I need to read these rules

I know that it is only day 0, but I am trying to figure out what to submit for my night 0 actions, the toughest being who to make as my beneficiary, and just reading through the thread to get a feel for some folk.

What is the motivation of the people who seem to be begging almost to become a beneficiary. I understand that everyone wants more money, but aren't you making a big target on your back? Unless you are a wolf then you don't really have alot to be afraid of in that regard.

It seems to me that we all want to gain money, but to do so quietly to keep a low profile. From the rules the way I understand it, the wolves will be looking for the big money hits so to speak.

This also has me trying to figure out some uses for some of the services.

Friend of the Bank - What do we truly gain from this information individually? I am having a hard time equating in my head some equation such as: More money in bank = less/more chance of being a wolf. It seems to me this information does not really provide alot, but could actually be harmful released to the public (ie: telling wolves who to avoid going for)

Notary Public - Since this has to be used at a night, I'm having problems figuring out a great use for this. Perhaps if someone does a fake reveal and is busted, I could use it the next day to try to get any money they have left over... but if they are a wolf, won't they get rid of their money before lynching anyways? This seems far more dangerous in the hands of a wolf switching the beneficiary of someone they plan on killing.

might help...

I would think the cut throats have alot more money then we do.

I am trying to figure out how much to bid, anyone have any guesses/ ideas. I would hate to overbid

Well, we've got 30K and a vote costs 10K, which you'll get 15 back on. So top bid assuming everyone votes is going to be 20. Since I doubt anyone would do that at this point, I'd say top bids will be in the 10-15 range.

I hope I didn't make a cutthroat my beneficiary.

How do we get more money other then CD's?

If you only make one vote a day you'd earn $5000 for that. Other than that I'd have to look at the list of bid stuff.

fuck...i have to read the rules tonight? this sucks. I don't want to