Lost Season 5 Thread - There'd be Spoilers if Anyone Knew What The Hell Was Happening
 

seriously, people. the season started a day ago and no thread on it at all? i know its losing viewers, but if youre still in, youre in for the duration

no one else is still psyched about the show? i know i am

and bring on the haters. theyll show up soon, i know.

I thought both episodes last night were pretty weak.

there was certainly no "holy shit!" moment. and they are treading on some SERIOUSLY slippery ground (i cant stand time travel shit).

but the re-introduction of ms hawking is very interesting, as was the possible flash forward/flashback thing opening the show with farraday. did he travel on his own, or did the island take him there and we flashed forward?

is there a worse character now than kate? im ready for her to die, please. adding the talking kid only makes it that much more intolerable.

still, intriguing enough to talk about.

Juliet Burke.

The flaming arrows were fucking awesome.

I loved last night.

I think they're playing fast and loose with two different concepts of time travel. You've got your Back to the Future type where you can go back and walk around and actually do stuff and the Slaughterhouse 5 "unstuck in time" where your consciousness just jumps around (like Desmond has been doing for a while). They just seem to be grabbing from whichever is convenient. As a nerd, this bugs me. If, like Daniel said, they couldn't do anything "new" when the island jumped, then why the heck were they all together, why did the soldiers find them, why did Ethan shoot John, etc. etc.?

My theory is that Daniel is wrong and doesnt understand time travel as well as he thinks he does.

I enjoyed the episodes.

Daniel understands things differently than he explained it. If he didn't, why would he try to get Desmond to help them?

Kate and Juliet are ok, but if Jack yells out that they have to go back one more time...

And a nice appearance by Anna Lucia and mention of Libby. (there can be spoilers in this thread, right?)

I liked the episodes, but no bombs were dropped. But they are doing a good job in setting up the rest of the season.

id say spoilers only for something that already aired are fine. i mean, if 5 seasons in you dont know to stay away until you watch, youre an idiot. but if it hasnt aired yet, keep your mouth shut

I just finished them. I enjoyed them. I am a Lost junkie, though.

I enjoyed them. I really think that Daniel only thinks he knows what is going on. Although, he has lied before, convincingly, so it could all be a ploy to accomplish something further we don't know about yet.

Since I don't watch Lost I read this & wondered wth this guy had to do with anything.

Not watching this season but it's due to the fact we don't get NBC and ABC more than anything else.

I forget the dude's name, but that extra who got hit with the first flaming arrow... MAN he was annoying! I cheered when he got hit.

You know you watch episodes on ABC's website, right?

Frogurt!!!!

I thought those episodes were more of the plot-moving variety, rather than "wow" episodes. It is a little disappointing that the season premier wasn't a little more monumental, but it was good enough for me.

At this point, I'm pretty well resigned to sticking with Lost through its end date. I've said it before, but the acting in Lost, for the most part, is really outstanding and most of the actors (outside of Kate, Jack, and Claire) are capable of entertaining me with very average writing (I think the writing is usually better than average, but you get the point).

Also, put me in the camp that thinks that Farraday is not telling the whole truth. The fact that he was in the opening scene, when Dr. Candle was filming his instructional video, lead me to believe that he had played with time travel in the past and knows that he can manipulate the future with it.

Awesome thread title, by the way.

I finally watched the two episodes last night. I liked it. I really like the concept of the characters on the island moving around randomly in time. It sets up for all sorts of cool possibilities.

I really had no complaints. A very solid two hours.

Who was the priest/druid woman in the church that Ben was talking to at the end? Have we seen her before? I am fuzzy on a lot of the old details.

Edit: Oh, I guess that's "Ms. Hawking." I don't remember her from that episode.

I loved the flaming arrow attack, although who fired off the arrows is a complete mystery to me.

Ms. Hawking sitting in a lab under a church with computers and Foucault's Pendulum on the floor was a great moment for me. Is she using that to pin point the Island's location? That pendulum proves the Earth rotates. How did Ben get to her so quickly? She's the one who sold Desmond a ring for Penny, isn't she?

Ben: "It's okay, I understand people have difficulty trusting me."

Cheech making a ham and cheese sandwich and then slathering cavier over it, like mustard.

Why was Aaron watching an old Superman cartoon from the 1950's in his first scene? A hidden message? Kids today won't watch the old cartoons at all, is my experience with Elementary school age kids.

I got tired of being teased after season 2.

Can you fans give everyone else a concise description of what is going on?

Ex. So I guess time travel is part of the story? What was the ghost monster from season 1?

See the thread title, man; no one has any idea what's going on. I don't recall having seen the smoke monster or a polar bear for a long, long time - right now it's about the island being "moved" (through time, I think) and the characters jumping around in time. If I hadn't already invested so much time in this show I would be goooooooooone. :D

Last smoke monster sighting I recall was Ben calling it to attack the mercenaries after his "daughter" was shot.

"My name is Neil!!!"

If you didn't see the occasional Lost clips on their website, I don't believe that you would have any idea who Frogurt is. He does a funny bit with Hurley set just before Hurley goes on his date with Libby.

+1 on the Ana Lucia appearance.

When Farraday told Desmond to go find his mother, I turned to my wife and said "Ms. Hawking." Since we are at the point in the series where it is a little late to be introducing new characters of significance, my money is still on this.

Farraday certainly knows more than he has said. I think he has the same sort of flashes that Desmond had (has?) because he exposed himself to his own experiment, but he has a better grasp of them and has written down everything he could remember into his notebook. So it might be more accurate to say that he may know more, but, like Desmond, he doesn't always fully understand how what he has seen fits into the linear context of time.

If time travel isn't your thing, you're in the wrong show. It has been pretty clear for some time that time is integral to the plot.

No good WTF? moments. I was disappointed by the 2nd hour. Keep Hurley's parents off the show.

This week's episode is getting a good amount of hype. We'll see what happens.

I HATE that time travel is one of the secrets of the island, especially considering that they promised some "scientifically plausible" explanations, and clearly time travel is not.

But, I have invested four years of Wednesdays into this, and am invested in the characters, so I stick around, but have largely stopped enjoying it.

In Season 1, there were the "Adam and Eve" skeletons that I have always believed to be two of the Oceanic people, meaning time travel of some sort was always possible. Based on Season 1, I assumed Jack and Kate.

Of course, based on the DHARMA films along with Ben's trek from tropics to arctic, there are some definitive time travel moments.

As far as science is concerned, it was never a factor from teh very beginning: ghosts, smoke monster, esp (or whatever Walt had), mind (or time) jumping by Desmond, and, hell, even the instant mastery of a gun and survival skills some of the nitwits had. This show was never meant to be scientific at all.

The producers of this show done (mostly) weekly podcasts since the beginning.

Some of the popular fan theories in season 1 centered on the mystical/metaphysical/spiritual (i.e. they are in purgatory). The producers swore up and down that there was a scientific explanation to it all. So, if it was never meant to be scientific, the people creating the story told some big lies.

Now that time travel is seemingly the central mystery, I feel decieved, as I feel that is fantasy.

There is a very solid basis in current theories in physics for time travel, FWIW. My sense is that the time travel used in the show is based on one of these theories.

My thought about the opening scene is I bet the dude from the freighter group, that can talk to dead people, is Dr. Candle's baby that was shown in it.

Miles? Yeah, I had that thought as well.

An interesting, though dense, retort to the whole "time travel must be considered fantasy" argument.

Powell's Books - PowellsBooks.BLOG - Lost: Telling Time

Actually I thought the baby was Sun's father.

Not sure how the timing would work on that, since Sun's father has got to be 60 or 70 and Candle appears to have an infant in the 70s.

Then again...

Well, like Faraday said:

“You have no idea how difficult it would be for me to explain this phenomenon to a quantum physicist. “That would be difficult. So for me to try and explain this….”

They only have 33 more hours. They aint got time to do all this 'splaining to the likes of us.

Time travel. I think Charles Widmore use to be on the island as well but some how was tricked into turning the wheel. I am starting to think that Ben is really the good guy in all of this because he seems so dedicated to the island.

Fantastic link. Thanks.

I assume you are referring to time dilation, a phenomenon predicted by relativity?

This has long been extrapolated by non-physicists to mean time travel is possible, but there is absolutely nothing in that theory suggesting that one could move back to a time that has already occurred.

There is no scientific basis for time travel the way it is presented here. I guess "solid basis" is in the eye of the beholder, but I will forever feel the promise of a "scientific explanation" was broken.

No, he's not talking about time dilation. There are some really advanced (as in, like Faraday said in the episode, it's very difficult for quantum physicists to understand) theories about time travel. I read about them (a very general overview) awhile ago, and it was just over my head. But when Faraday said "you can't change what has already happened", it reminded me of them.

FWIW, Hawking has hypothesized that once spacetime is warped in the right way, you could move both backwards and forwards within that warping. But you couldn't go back in the timeline to before the warping occurred.

The island Losties are bouncing around, apparently within a finite period of time. It is possible that the writers are trying to adhere to Hawking's theories.

I think you also need to cut them some slack. I don't think that it is fair to insist that some Hollywood writers have to solve the problem of time travel in order to meet the promise of a "scientific explanation." I think a good faith effort to stick to Hawking or another theory of time while adding a healthy dose of conjecture and cool stuff hardly makes the show a travesty.

That said, I could understand it better if you were complaining about the ambulatory dead people and white horses. I have no idea how they will scientifically explain those without resorting to a downed UFO or lost civilization scenario.

Good god, how do you people FOLLOW this show? I'm impressed.

These "advanced" theories are very unlikely to be have been proposed by serious physicists.

And I am not expecting them to solve the problem of time travel in order to meet the promise of a "scientific explanation." To me, the very promise of a scientifically plausible explanation means time travel is not involved, period.

I am very disappointed, but as I said earlier, still follow, because I have to know how pretty much any story I start ends.

Can somebody please refresh my memory as to who "Ms. Hawking" is. I don't recall her in any previous episodes, but I do believe that she is Daniel's mother.

Thank goodness that dude got shot by the arrows. I was loving that scene.

Here you go:

Ms. Hawking - LOST

My ear hurts because I just got mind-fucked

Really nice episode tonight. I enjoyed the the threads being connected (Locke meeting young Widmore, Locke telling Richard to visit him as a child). Also, I like how Farraday is becoming a more complex character than his "gee shucks" attitude at first made it seem.

The problem that I am having with the first 3-hours of this season is that the contents of each episode are fine as a segment of the greater story, but the individual episodes have not been very entertaining.

Up until this season, it seemed like there was a quality, one-hour show (with a beginning, middle, and end/climax) along with some meat that moved along the overall plot (sometimes a little bit, sometimes a ton). This season's episodes make me feel like I'm watching the first 15-20 minutes of a 2-hour movie.

See, the X-Files spoiled shows like this for me, because like that show...they all start out with an intriguing premise, and the first few seasons are very captivating. However, after that it's like the producers and writers reach a point where they begin to look at each other and ask..."WTF are we trying to do here?" and that begins to show on the screen as they start reaching into the magic hat and pulling anything and everything out of it. I believe some refer to this point as "jumping the Shark."

solid episode. will think on it the rest of the night

Obviously, you feel differently but I never took the producers comments to mean that the events in Lost could, in fact, happen. My take is that they were attempting to disavow the theories that the Losties were dead or in Purgatory. Nothing less, nothing more. The answers would come from the realm of science and not spirituality.

Apparently in the "pop up" version of "The Lie" which aired last night stated Ms. Hawking's name is Eloise.

Faraday's rat's name was Eloise.

The blonde chick on the island was named Ellie.

Both Widmore and Ms. Hawking on the island in the 1950s: Faraday's mom and dad?

wow. SFL Cat and I agree on this.

I honestly think the Lost writers started out with good intentions and there was a somewhat credible explanation. But somewhere along the way the show became this massive phenomenon and the network was like "you got to keep this going. it's a cash cow" so they were like "well we're sick of playing with our little island...let's get really crazy and throw some weird shit out there so that we can have scenes in other locations and do weird shit there" kinda.

Nice! We need more theories and less bashing.

Last nights episode was the first one in a long time where my wife and I had to pause the show and go OMGWTF! Charles Widmore being a young soldier on the island back in the 50s was great, but when Locke gave Alpert the compass and told him to come visit me as a child - and remembering the episode last year when Alpert did just that, showed a little Locke the collection of items *including the compass* to see if he was special (Locke glossing over it and Alpert storming out) - was mind blowing. Wow wow wow.

Agree on the Widmore thing being a "pause, rewind" moment. I also thought that naming the kid Charlie was a nice touch. I liked the episode quite a bit and thought they really moved the story along, although I can understand the point that Swaggs made about lacking the "single episode" feel.

Anyone recall which episode that Alpert came and visited Locke? I now want to re-watch that one...

It's called "Cabin Fever".

thanks!

I am reminded in threads like these why I take breaks from this place for a month or 2 at a time. Seems there is always negativity.

I thought it was great and the dots are finally being connected.

I liked the episodes so far this year. We're clearly in wrap up mode and moving forward with the story and tying up loose ends. It feels like we're getting more answers and "a ha moments" and less new questions for the first time.

i cant say i thought there were answers last night, but i was entertained. interesting about farradays mom maybe being on the island. not sure what it means

so if they bury the bomb, is that part of the energy the island has been tapping into?

stupid shows and their non-hour run times...we had the last couple of minutes cut off, during the discussion between Richard and Locke. I gather above that Locke told him to come visit him. Anything else?

A few questions answered:
What was Charles Widmore's connection to the island?
Why did Robert visit Locke when he was a child?

Plus we have some new info about Ms Hawking's connection to the main characters.

Not really. Right after Locke told Richard to visit him, the light started to come again, Locke asked Richard how to get off the island, Richard did not answer him, the light flashed and they were in a different time. Then the redheaded chick collapsed after blood poured from her nose. That's when the episode ended.

Does anyone think the cute chick with the rifle that escorted Faraday to and from the bomb was his mother?

Only Hurley can answer these questions...

Did anyone else have continual breakup of both picture and audio last night? I couldn't believe I was watching ABC the signal was so poor at times.

Everything was fine for me. I was sick and under the weather though so watched it on my SD tv in bed instead of HD though.

Lots of folks saying this around the web today. I'm not sure either way. I wouldn't be surprised if that twist was in there.

Bump...

We are in full-fledged time travel mode, it appears. I will admit that the light from the hatch was pretty cool, but I'm pretty disappointed that they are going to open that can of worms. It it looks like we are headed for a Jin-Young Rousseau storyline. Also, not really liking the Sun storyline.

Not much going on in this episode from my viewpoint. Looks like we're just rounding up the gang to go back to the island, while Locke is trying to get to them. I guess there were some clues that Miles and Charlotte had been on the island before (based on their nosebleeds and Farraday's theory).

I'm pretty sure Miles is the son of the Dharama Video guy, and Charlotte is probably Widmores other daughter from his time on the island.

so is jin time traveling with everyone else? or stuck in the 70s or whenever the french people arrived?

also, was that supposed to answer "the sickness" they got?

Jin is time traveling with everyone else (as far as his time goes). The group (Locke, Sawyer, etc) came across on the beach the various french supplies from a wreckage right before it cut to the scene of the french group finding Jin in the water.

So their current place in time is the same even if their physical location on the island is not.

Not sure if posted already:

http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

That would make some sense. I think that Daniel might be Widmore and Ms Hawking's (Ellie) son? Daniel said he "loved" Charlotte - he could be her brother.

1) This show is like a comic book -- always insist that they show you the corpse before believing that someone is actually dead. Or that they have become omnicient tools of the island ala Christian, Charlie, Claire and Ana Lucia. I also believe that Jin is jumping in time with everyone else.

2) The popular theory that Miles is the baby we saw briefly in the filming flashback w/ Dr. Candle in the premier got a little stronger with Miles's nosebleed.

3) Charlotte used the phrase "getting back to the island" in an earlier epi. I hadn't connected any dots to how she was there in the 1st place.

I believe the part you are referencing was some kind of exchange between Charlotte and Miles that I do not fully remember. It was something that Charlotte said, and then I think Miles may have said something along the lines of ,"Or maybe return to the island?". Charlotte asked him what he meant by that, and Miles got his funny/strange look on his face while saying,"Hmm.. what -DO- I mean by that?" as he walked off.

That was the only previous reference that I recalled to Charlotte having possibly been on the island and had been trying to get back to it before.

There was also a conversation between Charlotte and Daniel where Charlotte said something about trying to find the place where she was born or something to that effect. It eluded to her being born on the island.

According to Ben, she was born in Essex, England. But she said to Daniel, "Would it make any sense if I told you I'm still looking for where I was born?"

Fantastc episode tonight. Some pretty brutal stuff. Really can't wait for next weekend.

yes. yes. a thousand times yes. when this show is on, it is unparalleled. fantastic episode.

One of the most plausible explanations of what's happening on Lost and the author nailed last night's revelation about Charlotte already: (I'm HXXPing due to spoilers)

hxxp://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm

One question from last night: Why could Christian not help Locke?

Interesting: Ben looked surprised that Desmond was there to see Faraday's mother.

samifan: does the link really have spoilers (information from outside the already aired shows)? or is just theories based on info from already aired shows? I think the term "spoiler" is defined differently by different people.

The link I posted has spoilers in the sense that it presents a complete theory of everything that has happened on the show.

Man, that island is a female dog. It's a killing machine.

I think that theory is good in some areas but fails in others.

It won't let you change fate in the past yet Widmore can go back in time, make bets, and become wealthy???

They say the time machine was created in the 1960s. We've already seen a jump back to before Locke's birth, which was in the 1950s.

So, that's one thing they got wrong when they say the time machine was created in the 1960s and you can only jump back as far back as when it was created.

Whoever came up with it put a lot of thought into it, but it won't be any where close to being right.

Here's something I've noticed and some other folks on the web have noticed. When the French folks are listening to the transmission in the last episode, it is Hurley's voice saying the numbers. At the very least, it is him saying 23 and 42.

Interesting. Maybe Hurley comes back to the island and becomes godlike to the people he meets travelling through time and that is how the numbers ended up all over the island.

sl-LOST.com - Daily LOST News » Blog Archive » Was The Radio Transmission Recorded By Hurley?

The link for anyone interested. I'm not convinced it's him, but it could well be.

Good catch, I hadn't heard that. But remember when Hurley first heard the numbers from the guy in the mental institution? After he won the lottery he went and talked to the guys wife and she said he heard them on a transmission when he was out to sea....Was that Hurley then too? Or was it someone else?

I think that guy heard the same transmission the Frenchies did.

We know that Daniel gets mixed up with Dharma. I think John turning the wheel stopped the jumps and the folks on the island are stuck in a time the Dharma. The O6 are going to to get back to the island, maybe in the same time period.

I think Hurley has to do the transmission because it has something to do with him getting to the island in the first place and he needs to be there for some reason.

I like the time loop theory stuff and I think the button pushing is the most interesting aspect to it. I won't say too much more, for fear of spoilers, but that part makes a whole lot of sense.

Why not just use the spoiler tag?

I loved this episode. I love how it kept calling back details of the pilot (and whole first season), as well as themes of the earlier seasons in Jack's battle between reason and faith.

Lapidus was awesome. Ben was very funny as usual. Very excited to see how this all plays out.

Amazing episode.

I am wondering .. do you think Ben was all beat up because he went back to kill Penny?

I am wondering if he needs Desmond back to the Island, and he knows he'd never go back unless something happened to Penny, and what better way then to do her in?

interesting. i hated the episode

I thought the episode was ok.. but we were left with so many holes in the story that obviously this is what we get to find out the next several episodes probably (in addition to what is happening on the island currently).

I think they are trying to go back to what they did great in the beginning and hope it works just as well.. ie: this week will be focused on Locke and have many flash backs to what all happened leading up to him killing himself and why. Then the next week it might be say Hurley with flash backs the entire episode discussing how he ended up getting out of jail... same with Sayeed, and Kate's story will tell us about what happened with Aaron, Ben's story will tell us why he got beat up, etc.

One thing that really bothered me about this week's episode was the cavalier attitude the O6 displayed concerning the others on the plane (all except Hurley, at least). It finally occurs to Jack to ask about the others on the plane once they're about to take off? Kate, Sun, others don't ask at all? I know they're desperate to get back and all, but it seemed very out of character for most of them.