Soccer Thread 2009-10
 

Someone else should have started the thread while they had the chance! :p

gee, take more attention from the poor soccer forum why doncha :)

Is Tevez going to be playing defense? How many strikers does your team need, anyway? I shouldn't talk, Liverpool only has one.

They said they wouldn't start most of their selling until they were done buying. I haven't given hope up on getting John Terry and Joleon Lescott seems like he'll be added any day as soon as the fog clears.

FORZA JUVE!!!

JUVE VAFFANCULO!

MAMMA MIA TORTELLINI PIZZA ROLL!

heh. DT said "Go Juventus", I said "(Screw) Juventus" and SS says.. well Italish :)

It's kind of funny, but with the sign saying "Welcome to Manchester", it begs the question.

Where did Tevez play the last two years?

I think that's the point of the sign... probably a jab that City is Manchester's "real team" where as United are made up of plastics from places like Cornwall, South Wales and London. That's certainly how the City fans see it anyway :)

Don't think they are welcoming Tevez. I'm assuming it's your typical 'Welcome to (insert city here)' sign that just happens to be blue and have Tevez in the background. Someone said it is in the the Town Centre.

Edit: Or what bhlloy said. :)

Zlatan to Barca, Eto'o going back the other way. They'll probably win another treble with that lineup.

Man Utd have sold Manucho to Valladolid in today's other big transfer. He'll be replaced in the squad by Mame Biram Diouf, a Senegalese striker from Molde FK, the club that produced United legend Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Everton have rejected a £15m Man City bid for Lescott.

I'm disappointed, for some reason I thought the first two Gold Cup quarterfinal matches were on tonight but it's all on the weekend.

hmm? zlatan to barca? did that just happen 2day? :(

fucking traitor. he abandoned juve...karma will get him

Juve were also in Serie B, so I'm not sure you can blame him.

Zlatan is awesome, I hope he scores a hattrick in the Bernabeu.

And it sounds like he would have stayed at Inter but they received a really good offer for him. (€40m + Eto'o + Hleb on loan for one season)

for a whole season...whoopie doo.

Buffon stayed. Trezeguet stayed. Del Piero stayed. Nedved stayed.

Traitors left.

{shrug}

I didnt know that Tevez was good enough to deserve a big ass billboard.

hmph, maybe thats saying something about City's benchmark.

Buffon should have been playing for a team that could win the CL these past few years, he was too loyal imo.


Tevez is quite good, he just had a down year. He was great in the 2007-8 season in addition to being a three-time South American Footballer of the Year (2003-5).

why too loyal? he didn't need to play CL-football to earn a big contract, he didn't need it to hold down his place in the national team, didn't need it to be widely regarded as one of the top 2 keepers in the world.

maybe winning a CL isn't as important to him as staying put?

Of course it's his life and he made a lot of money and won the World Cup in that time, maybe he loves the club, loves the house he lives in, I don't know the man. I was just surprised he stuck with them in Serie B and the first Serie A season back because he's so damn good that he could play for any team he wanted and in that situation most world class players would try to get out.

Perhaps "too loyal" wasn't the best phrase but calling Cannavaro, Zambrotta, and Ibrahimovic traitors is a bit much imo.

Anyway now I'm glad he stayed, I want the other Serie A clubs to be strong so someone challenges Inter this year. Of course my first choice to unseat the beast would be Milan now that they've got Oneywu :cool:

Someone doesn't pay much attention to transfer news.

1. City bid 15m for Lescott
2. Moyes rejects, say he's not for sale
3. Lescott says he wants out
4. City bid 18m
5. Everton rejects
6. City bid 20m
7. We have a deal

The Daily Mail mentions that there has been speculation that City might set their sights on Nemanja Vidic. Now that would be effing hilarious. :D

Well Vidic supposedly turned down moves to Barca and Milan this summer (despite his wife bitching about the Manchester weather) and did just sign a new contract, don't get too giddy now.

It would never happen anyways, at least not anytime soon. Just the thought of having the audacity to even make a bid would be funny. I didn't know he had signed a new contract.

Edit: Heh. His favorite ground is Eastlands. :)

Adebayor sounds like a done deal:


Okay, time to lose some weight now.

Assuming Man City start two forwards, what happens to the odd man out? Playing on the wing (would Tevez be happy doing this again)? Someone on the bench?

Robinho---Adebayor/RSC---Tevez

Poor Carlitos stuck out on the wing, he is much better through the middle.

Michael Owen scored the winner in his first appearhance for the Red Devils, all the brand new Owen fanboys on other boards are predicting he'll get 25 goals now which I think is ridiculous. A week before he signed people laughed at the notion of signing Owen and lots of fans have done a 180 it seems.

I know that after three straight titles, a CL, and various other cups in the past few years I should give management the benefit of the doubt but this has not been a good transfer window so far, and I don't think they're going to sign anyone else. But the squad is still good enough to win a fourth league title in a row.

Tonight's USA lineup vs. Panama:

Perkins; Heaps, Conrad (c), Marshall, Pearce; Holden, Pause, Beckerman, Rogers; Arnaud, Ching

Heaps looked really bad the last time he played, hopefully Panama don't have anyone that good on the left.

Ack, almost forgot about the game tonight!

I want to see Honduras - Canada highlights, from what I hear the Canucks got robbed on a bad penalty call in the first half and were unlucky to go out 1-0.

Ching hit the post off a nice free kick from Holden. Marshall heads just over shortly after.

Beckerman has had a good tournament.

beckerman? really?

when i saw him last weekend he was an absolute turd. overmatched against Hati is not a good thing.

Perez gives Panama the lead just before halftime after the US failed to clear after a corner kick. He then took his shirt off but the Mexican referee did not card him, it should have been a second yellow and a sending off.

The US were the better team in the first but didn't create that many good chances.

Jimmy Conrad had to leave after a nasty collision left him looking like a boxer who just got KO'd.

Some are saying that a fan ripped off the player's shirt.

Nice goal from Beckerman to tie it up. Now let's not slack off after a good beginning to the half.

Damn Holden was close to making it 2-1 there.

The US wound up winning 2-1, Cooper won and then scored a penalty in extra-time.

After the match there was a tense situation where the Panamanian team hounded the ref, following him all over the pitch, one of their players (Binoy the thuggish centerback) was red carded after the whistle which you don't see everyday.

It wasn't the best performance by our B-side but they got the result, setting up a third game with Honduras in two months.

rocket goal

I caught them on FSC last night after USA - Panama. Although Stalteri does grab the attacker's arm there that isn't called a lot of the time. But Canada blew lots of good scoring chances after that unfortunate call.

Costa Rica are 3-0 on Guadeloupe in the second half in tonight's first quarterfinal.

Awesome goal in the second post up, I love the reaction of the player further forward about 40 seconds in.

Concerned about Wenger's comments about not needing reinforcements.

If Arsenal fail to win anything again this year despite receiving 25 million from Adebayor's sale and Wenger choosing not to spend it ... well, I'm almost certain it's time for him to go.

Looks like ESPN Deportes/360/maybe ESPN 2 will also have the Bundesliga, to go with La Liga.

Also, the US-Mexico game WILL be broadcast in English, but on a network few of us have, Mun2 (an English language network owned by spanish language network Telemundo, aimed at young english speaking Latinos)

Check Your Local Listings for U.S.-Mexico Qualifier - Goal Blog - NYTimes.com


ESPN also recently reached an agreement with GolTV to show games from Spain’s La Liga on its Spanish-language Deportes (and ESPN360.com) and will soon announce a similar deal with GolTV to carry games from the German Bundesliga.

If Arsenal didn't need replacements before they do now, Nasri (one of Arsenal's new signings) may be out till November with a broken leg.

Actually, from what I have heard, mun2 is supposed to be in almost as many homes as FSC, which really isn't many for either, in the 20,000,000s.

I also heard today (somewhere, can't remember) that the spanish broadcast of US v. Mex should have english closed caption, if anyone cares. At this point I am used to watching matches in spanish. I kind of enjoy it as it has helped me pick up a little more spanish actually.

But ................................... Tevez is from .................................erm .............................Argentina ;)

i have a feeling he means the fans?

City have fans? :eek:

Yes Nasri out with a fractured leg.

I sometimes wonder if we have a curse!

Sven Goran Eriksson has been named Director of Football at League 2 Notts County. That is rather surprising.

Guardian link

Serie A club Livorno might be bidding for Landon Donovan. That'd be interesting.

Gazzetta dello Sport link (in Italian)

Pretty big crowd for Chelsea - Inter which just kicked off on ESPN2.

It's a real life version of FM where you take over the sleeping giant, give them rich owners and try to bring them up. Bit of a sleeping giant there.

US Open Cup semi final match.....only way to watch it is with 6000 other people crammed onto a pathetic, under powered stream from a team's website. Houston at Seattle, despite Houston having a 'B' squad out there, was very entertaining. 2-1 Seattle win I am sorry to say, in extra time.

Wish fans of Euro and Mexican soccer paid more attention to their teams in their own backyard, maybe the Open Cup games could make it on TV. But hey, it's better to cram a stadium to watch Mexico's 'B' squad or to catch a glimpse of Chelsea then it is to support local teams. (And local teams doesn't mean MLS only, USL gets much worse recognition. We will never have a relegation system in this country, and that is a small part of it)

edit: The ref was crap though. Getting better quality refs would help the US game some, that's for sure.

Oguchi Onyewu is making his debut with Milan right now on ESPN2. Unfortunately he lost his man on Club America's goal.

Barca and Inter complete their swap of Eto´o and Ibrahimovic. Barca pays an aditional 45 mio (or 40 or 60, who knows ?) and propably also sends Hleb to Inter on loan.
Wow :eek:

But why the hell does Eto´o leave Barca (he requested being transferred) ? Seriously, his qualities were made for a system like Barca and the soccer played in spain in general. Don´t see him having as much success in Italy ...
Ibrahimovic on the other hand will love playing in Barca and in spain, should suit his qualities pretty well and imo will be a more than adequate replacement, also adding another dimension with his ability to get headers which is the one thing Barca really lacked last year.

And Klaas Jan Huntelaar seems not to go to Stuttgart afterall, too bad ... He´s been stalling over money for a couple weeks (now wanted a buyout from madrid ...) and Stuttgart pulled the plug and is now looking elsewhere to spend their money from the Gomez transfer (30 mio to Bayern) .

Bayern looks like a big question mark right now. New Coach Van Gaal all but shipped Lucio out of town when questioning him publically without so much as speaking a word to him and insisting that he will allways play a right and a left footed guy in center defense (which is stupid imo) ... Now they are left with a guy that isn´t good enough (Van Buyten), a guy that makes like 5 mental errors every game (Demichelis) and 2 19/20 year old youngsters. Heck the 19 year old (Badstuber) might start on opening day without having played a single minute of Bundesliga before ...
He also moved Lahm over to the right side and they also bought a highly influential defensive midfielder in Tymoschenko when their captain (Van Bommel) plays the same position with none of them really able to play anywhere else.
And Toni is basically being in the dog house.

I think it was $$$$ for Eto'o. Also Guardiola has said he wants to make a few changes so the team doesn't get complacent like they did after the 2006 CL win. Although I like the deal for them in a playing sense the amount of money added in is surprising. Maybe Barca had to pay that much for Inter to take Hleb off their hands for a year :lol:


I agree, Barca will be even scarier to face now.


I thought KJH was stalling so one of the bigger English or Italian clubs might come in for him. It's a bit of a risk, if nobody else comes in for him he be a benchwarmer in a World Cup year.

edit: read elsewhere that the tax rate differential between Spain and Germany played a part so it's money related as well

I do think that Italy would be a better fit for Donovan than Germany was.

They seem pretty set on signing him and it's a team where I would assume he would get the PT as opposed to sittingo n a bench

In case no one noticed, the USMNT made the Copa Oro finals tonight with a win over Honduras, 2-0 (in front of a pathetic Chicago crowd, until the Mexico fans showed up halfway through the game). And in a weird twist I am left without the Mexico-Costa Rica game as the local Telefutura decided the 85% hispanic population and the half of their viewers IN Mexico don't care to watch it?

lol

Read the report, and I gotta say, that Bradley has done very well with the "B" squad. Solid result, especially without mainstays of the team.

US-Mexico

Sunday Sunday Sunday!

It was one of the US team's best performances in the tournament. I want to see Holden play with some of the big guns a few of the remaining World Cup Qualifiers. The second goal was nice with the backheel - cross - volley into the corner combo.

I fell asleep early tonight, looking at the results I should have stayed awake for the end of the second match, goals in the 88th and 90th minute in a 1-1 draw before Mexico won on PKs.

He (and this squad) have done very well this Cup. I am not 100% turned around and on his side, but he is giving me some hope along with the Confed Cup finish. I think one thing that will be interesting come WC time (and the match at Azteca even) will be to see who he calls up for the mid-field spots. I think he 'may' have some more options now, and since he was not using a couple of the guys he had before I wait to see what he does.

Also, is Cooper given any kind of chance with the 'A' team? I know some guys think no way, but he has something like 5 goals in 7 caps. I know the level of competition it is against, but we could really use another F I think. I am not saying I want him, but I wouldn't be against it either.

Bradley, Clark, Jones (provided the paperwork goes through and he doesn't do something terrible in his US debut before the WC), Edu, and Fielhaber are who I would take for the central midfield.

If you meant wingers and trequaristas then Donovan, Dempsey, Holden and I don't know after that. Adu was not impressive in the Gold Cup before he went back to Portugal. I've written off Beasley for now. Maybe Rogers but he's inconsistent against these weaker teams, he probably won't be better against World Cup opposition.


Altidore and Davies have to be the starters. I would rather see Cooper out there than Conor Casey. I'm not sure about Arnaud/Ching/Casey for the fourth spot, I don't think any of those three are particularly great. Maybe they'll only bring three strikers like at the Confederations Cup since Donovan and Dempsey can also play up top.

Well, I was grouping the whole midfield together in my question, so central and wingers both. You make a good point though with placing Holden as a winger. He has played there these last two games (correct me if wrong but I am sure his first two were in the center). I figured that was a "second" test for him since most of his Dynamo play is in a central attacking role.

I forget about Edu, just because he hasn't been around I guess.

As for Cooper, if it comes down to only three strikers then I would hope Ching goes instead of him. I am biased yes, but I clearly prefer Ching over Cooper. I was more talking about Cooper in a fourth spot, which I would kind of like to see....maybe. I don't like Casey much, so I hope he isn't on the 'A' squad much any more.

I said this same thing to my father last night (re: Holden). I think one of the things that has been shown about our midfielders at times is their lack of touch+vision at "game speed" and Holden has certainly showed those things during this tournament (albeit against opposition maybe not quite as stiff as an "A" team). Regardless, I'd like to see him at least get called up and given 30-60 minutes in a couple of the remaining qualifiers.

We all know he played phenomal versus Hati (I know big deal), but I thought against a much better and more tactically-sound Honduras team last night he played equally as well. He's certainly got an "all-out" motor, and as shown by the last goal, his skills are sustained throughout a full game.

Beautiful cross on the second goal to Cooper...he moved to the space so well after laying it off to Beckerman, and then his cross curling just far enough away from the keeper was perfect.

Ching will get games - starts even. You guys are crazy if you think he won't. He's fundamentally important to Bob Bradley's system of play as a target striker. And he can absorb a hell of a beating and win free kicks in dangerous positions. As demonstrated by his backheel on the last goal last night he also can display flashes of touch.

I'm not saying he's my favorite player or anything, but I have come to appreciate how fundamentally important a big target-striker to hold up the ball is to Bradley's system, and right now Jozy doesn't have the skills (although he prolly has the size). And lord knows I don't think Cooper does the little things as well as Ching.

Ching has a better all-round game but he misses too many chances, I think Cooper is a better goalscorer. Ching is more likely to make the WC squad at this point I bet, and he would be a better choice than Casey.

I might rather see Dempsey play some up front with Holden on the right than our third best striker (whichever one is named) getting a lot of time though, we don't have a ton of depth there.

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hahaha, I just saw Getafe's new shirt:


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For the over the head goal celebration-

I agree that Ching is a worse finisher than Cooper, but a better all around player. But I think Cooper's worse all-around game is more harmful than Ching's worse finishing. That is to say, Ching is more valuable within the team concept. Certainly more valuable at the top-level where to some extent we have to have a target-man up top who can hold up the ball when we outlet it after bunkering in against better teams.

I sort of agree that Dempsey up top is intriguing with Holden on the right and Landy on the left. That might be an interesting look to experiment with in some of these WC-qualifiers.

After seeing Dempsey crank it up when put into an attacking position, I would love to see this with Jozy as striker.

It's a little old now but I love this....

The only people to impress me in this tourney for the US are Holden and Heath Pearce. If we need Boca in a center d position, I think Pearce would be my current choice out left. He seems to make smart runs, but is also able to recover quickly.

Holden has looked great. He did sign with Sunderland out of college, and it was really just a bit of bad luck he didn't get a chance over there. I've been watching him on the Dynamo since he's been there, and he's always impressed.

I'm not really a Ching fan, but he's a completely different player than Cooper. Cooper is far more style and on the ball, while ching is heading and holding up. I'd prefer they have more time to play off each other, as Arnaud has looked lost in the past 2 matches. The problem with Ching is that he's just too slow with his feet. We had a quick exchange in the box late in the second half, but Ching couldn't move his feet fast enough to do anything with the ball.

Robbie Rogers needs to slow down at times, or learn how to think ahead of times. Most of the time he loses the ball because he doesn't think through his move, not because the defender actually cuts him off.

Maybe it was just me, but the US looked asleep for about 65 minutes of the 2nd Honduras game. It was only after Honduras tired that we were really able to get anything going.

Clint has looked much better when closer to goal, so yes please.

I wonder if this one will happen in time to make into FM 10.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...europe&cc=5901

kind of a similar thing is also happening in Germany with Red Bull taking over a small club (5th division) in/near leipzig in Germany, trying to build a strong club in eastern Germany for once and built on the fanbase that is there. Problem is that there is a multitude of ridiculously violent rivalries in that are and they allready had a training ground trashed and a couple of friendly games cancelled out of fear for the normal soccer fans... Gonna be a rough couple of years until they can escape that and enter the Bundesliga.

It´s also not as easy and you need a long breath, there´s no stars coming into 5th league or welsh minors, you start with young talents from pro teams´ youth squads not good enough to make it there (but way qualified for that new level) that are going to play for a couple hundred Euros a month and possibly a secure place for real life job training or a flatout job, some washed up pros from the region wanting to play a couple more years under good working conditions and you also have to get a few good minor league players from the area to win over the local people.

I mean, the poster child for that development is Hoffenheim in Germany and they needed 17 years from the 8th (i think, changes from county to county) league into the Bundesliga with several halts in between. But they also managed it very responsibly with the chairman not pushing things but having the club grow before making another push with the last one coming in 2006 and then they admittedly moved ahead of schedule by going straight from 3rd to first league with 2 consecutive promotions and then actually leading the league halfway in before suffering too many injuries for the thin roster.
This offseason they also "only" added a veteran DC (Josip Simunic from hertha berlin) and a few talented players in Maicosuel (emerged as on of the top offensive midfielders in Brazil last season) and especially Franco Zuculini who is highly regarded and was on the radar for a few top clubs in England and also Juve. Allready has a cap at 18 and is basically Maradonna´s pet project (not that that is nescessarily a good sign ;) ). Not just because of the origin compared to Masscherano, just a bit more of a passer and less of a tackler while possessing the same feel for the game and incredibly motor.

And my favourite team made a "big" transfer : Borussia Dortmund bougth Lucas Barrios the striker with the most league goals in a first division with 37 in 38 games, even though it was only in Chile (overall 49 goals in 53 games with his club the last 1 1/2 years) . Also was targeted by the Roma clubs AS and Lazio so i´m happy they got him. Video of all 37 league goals : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQUWKPnxbUQ&feature=fvw
Hope he pans out, a quality target striker would be just what the doctor ordered after years without one (well, Frei, but he was allways injured ...). Really looks good, good mobility and technique at 1,90 and obviously knows where the goal is located.
Hope to move closer to Dortmund next year for a new job again to see a few games as the stadium (81 k capacity nowaday) is just awesome as well as the fans. I mean, they haven´t finished better than 6th in 6 years now and still had the highest average attendance in Europe last season with 77,500 last season (real 2nd and manU 3rd not far behind) .
There were some magical nights in the mid 90s for me as a kid when they had their big european run with epic matches and culminating in the champions league title :

YouTube - Borussia Dortmund - Juventus Turin ChampionsLeauge 1996/1997



Lars Ricken scoring the decicive goal in the champions league final with his first touch about 10 seconds after being substituted in with a lob from like 25 metres. Most badass important goal ever !

ah, the glory days :)

:mad: :mad: Them's fightin' words! :D

I'll agree that it sucked to watch on that damn stream though.

I liked Seattle for most of there first season. Then they defeated the Dynamo 'B' team twice in 10 days in Seattle while the Dynamo spent 7 games in a row on the road and I had the pleasure of reading comments from Seattle fans getting carried away with it, and come August 23rd I hope to see the Dynamo put the Sounders in their place in Houston.

Them be better fightin' words. :D

hxxp://www.corrieredilivorno.com/index.php/news/articolo/1006-Livorno-made-in-USA

Don't bother reading it unless you read Italian. I am just linking it so you don't think I made it up. According to Livorno, MLS wants 8 million euro for Donovan, and 4-5 for Ricardo Clark, or so I am told.

Finally finished watching both matches and unspoiled at that. USA-Mexico ftw!

FMF's Apetura started this weekend. Game after game on, as soon as the Dynamo game is over here I look forward to getting into those games again after the summer break.

Fergie keeping it real when asked about the new kids on the block <3

On the poster: It's City isn't it? They are a small club, with a small mentality. All they can talk about is Manchester United, that's all they've done and they can't get away from it.

'It is a go at us, that's the one thing it is. They think taking Tevez away from Manchester United is a triumph. It is poor stuff. I thought he would go to City a long time ago.'

On City's title chances: "'City will want to be challenging for the top four, but it won't be easy,' said Sir Alex. 'That top four has been established for quite a while.

You don't expect Liverpool or Chelsea to fade. But the one who has the challenge is Arsene (Wenger). He has a big task at Arsenal because I know he doesn't have the money and how he uses the £25m from selling Adebayor to City will be very interesting. I don't look upon City as my biggest challengers. For all the buying they have done, they still have to pick a team with balance.

'That won't be easy for Mark (Hughes). What's he got, 10 strikers?

So, if he picks a squad to go to Chelsea, he has to leave seven behind, or five at least. He has to deal with that. It will not be easy.'

On Adebayor: "When someone offers you that kind of money, it is a big attraction.

“That is the reason they have gone there. At the last minute, from what I can gather, either Emmanuel Adebayor or his agent phoned us after they had agreed a deal with City and then did the same with Chelsea. He was desperate to get to either Chelsea or us.”

It's now official. ManU is rattled, ie scared.

MANCHESTER UNITED TRANSFER RECAP
 

Fergie so scared of the Europa League challengers :D

Lineups for today's final, no surprises from Bradley:

-------------Ching-----------Arnaud----------------

Rogers--------------------------------------Holden

----------Beckerman---------Pause-----------------

Pearce-----Marshall------Goodson---------Heaps

---------------------Perkins-------------------------

And Mexico:

-------------Miguel-Sabah-------Gio Dos Santos--------------

Alberto Medina----------------------------------Efrain Juarez

-----------Gerardo Torrado-------Jose Castro-----------------

Fausto Pinto--------------------------------------Israel Castro

-------------JC Valenzuela-----------Jonny Magallon-----------

--------------------------Guillermo-Ochoa-----------------------


C'mon boys, make it three Gold Cups in a row!

be interesting to see if this US side can get a result against the Mexies

BEAT THE MEXIES...BEAT THE MEXIES!!! *calls INS to get a raid setup on Giants stadium*

it always annoys me how whenever we play anybody in a major metro area it's essentially an "away" game due to all the immigrants who remain fans of their old country. and by "annoy" i mean "fucking pisses me off"

I wa at the US-Honduras qualifier in Chicago last month. It was probably 90-10 in fan composition in favor of Honduras.

yes. which is just ridiculous. frankly...i hate it. i think we should play all our home games in like minnesota or somewhere where there's only a tiny amount of foreigners

I think you guys also underestimate just how many of those fans (mainly the Mexico fans) that are actually born in this country. In Texas anyways.

i don't underestimate that - but that doesn't make it "okay". my "INS comment" was more a joke, i'm not really concerned about where they were born or their immigration status. and i recognize actually how it can be somewhat of a benefit to play "home" games in front of hostile crowds to toughen you up, but the homer in me wants to see them play home games in front of stadiums full of fans in red/white/blue cheering for them instead of the opponents.

weak bookings on the US here - tackle didn't deserve it and it's too loud to hear i'm sure fuuuck...just wide holden!

Oh, don't think I meant that made it ok, to me it makes it worse. I hate it a bunch myself, especially when they are classless and throwing beer bottles at Holden when he is trying to take a corner. Also, I live in a place where most people will cheer on the Mexican team over the USA.

Is this match on my TV?

Fox Soccer Channel

well that was a gift of a penalty

well that was a BS penalty called on the US. Dos Santos ran into Heaps and knocked him over and won the penalty. BS.

Thanks. I guess I do have that, but not in HD. Oh well.