Fictional Character Draft Thread
 

This will be the thread for the Fictional Chracter draft.

Drafters:
Danny
Izulde
Mustang
DeToxRox
larrymcg
wade moore
spleen
Lathum

Rules are:
1. You MUST pick 1 and only 1 of all of the character types.
2. You MUST pick 1 and only 1 of all of the creator types.
3. A SPECIFIC creator can only be selected once by anyone in the entire draft.
4. Religious figures are not eligible to be drafted
5. We will wait a maximum of 6 hours daytime hours before going to the next person. You may send barkeep49 a list so he can draft for you in your absence. This rule is suspended on the weekends.
6. At time of drafting you must declare:
A. What Character you are Drafting and for which Character Type
B. Who the Creator is and which Creator Type they are
7. Voting will occur at the conclusion of the draft, but enjoying the draft is important and any rule decisions will be made in that spirit.

Character Types:
Movie Character
Literary Character
Television Character
Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character
Comic/Animated Character
Computer/Video Game Character
Hero
Villain
Female Character
Child Character

Creator Types:
Pre-19th Century Creation
19th Century Creation
Pre-WWII 20th Century Creation (1900-1945)
Cold War Creation (1945-1990)
Modern Day Creation (1990-Present)
Female Creator
Multiple Person Creator
One Great Work Creator (Creator associated with only one work)
Unknown/Anonymous Creator
Non-European/American Creator

Draft Order Odd Rounds:
1. DeToxRox
2. Danny
3. Lathum
4. wade moore
5. spleen
6. Mustang
7. larrymcg
8. Izulde

Draft Order Even Rounds:
1. Izulde
2. larrymcg
3. Mustang
4. spleen
5. wade moore
6. Lathum
7. Danny
8. DeToxRox

List of Picks in Order

1.1 DeToxRox - George Costanza, TV Character, Modern Day (Larry David)
1.2 Danny - Darth Vader, Villain, Cold War Creation (George Lucas)
1.3 Lathum - Harry Potter, Child, Female Creator (JK Rowling)
1.4 wade moore - Superman, Comic/Animated Character, Multiple Creators (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster)
1.5 spleen - Robin Hood, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
1.6 mustang - Sherlock Holmes, Literary, 19th Century Creator (Arthur Conan Doyle)
1.7 larrymcg - Dracula, Villain, 19th Century (Bram Stroker)
1.8 Izulde - Iago, Villain, Pre-19th Century (Shakespeare)

2.1 Izulde - Omar, Television Character, Modern Day (Larry Simon)
2.2 larrymcg - King Arthur, Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation
2.3 Mustang - Batman, Comic/Animated, Cold War (Bob Kane/Bill Finger)
2.4 spleen - Huckleberry Finn, Child Character, 19th Century (Mark Twain)
2.5 wade moore - Holden Caulfield, Child Character, One Great Work (JD Salinger)
2.6 Lathum - Roland the Gunslinger, Literary, Cold War (Stephen King)
2.7 Danny - Frankenstein's Monster, Literary, Female (Mary Shelley)
2.8 DeToxRox - Cartman, Child, Multiple Creators (Trey Parker & Matt Stone)

3.1 DeToxRox - Mario, Computer/Video Game, Cold War Creation (Shigreu Miyamoto)
3.2 Danny - Homer Simpson, Comic/Animated Character, Modern Day (Matt Groenig)
3.3 Lathum - Frodo Baggins, Hero, Pre-WWII Creation (JRR Tolkien)
3.4 wade moore - PacMan, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (Tōru Iwatani)
3.5 spleen - Hello Kitty, Female Character, Non-European/American Creator (Yuko Shimizu)
3.6 Mustang - Grim Reaper, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
3.7 larrymcg - Mickey Mouse - Comic/Animated Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Walt Disney & Ub Iwerks)
3.8 Izulde - Lara Craft, Female Character, Multiple Person Creator

4.1 Izulde - Tony Montana, Movie Character, Cold War Creation
4.2 larrymcg - Beowulf, Literary, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
4.3 Mustang - Captain James T. Kirk, Hero, One Great Work (Gene Roddenberry)
4.4 spleen - Moby Dick, Villain, One Great Work (Herman Meilville)
4.5 wade moore - James Bond, Movie Character, Cold War Era (Ian Fleming)
4.6 Lathum - The Phantom of the Opera, Live Performance Character, Multiple creators (Andrew Lloyd Webber and Charles Hart)
4.7 Danny - Optimus Prime, Hero, Multiple Creators
4.8 DeToxRox - Godzilla, Villain, One Great Work (Tomoyuki Tanaka)

5.1 DeToxRox - Santa Claus, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
5.2 Danny - Alice, Child, 19th Century (Lewis Carrol)
5.3 Lathum - Beavis, Comic/Animated, Modern Day (Mike Judge)
5.4 wade moore - Tony Soprano, Television, Modern Day (David Chase)
5.5 spleen - Medusa, movie, Pre-19th Century
5.6 Mustang - Little Orphan Annie, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (Harold Gray)
5.7 larrymcg - Scarlett O'Hara, Female Character, Female Creator (Margaret Mitchell)
5.8 Izulde - Lolita, Child,

6.1 Izulde - Philip Marlowe, Literary Character, Pre-World War II 20th Century (Raymond Chandler)
6.2 larrymcg - Sonic the Hedgehog, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (ViYuji Naka, Naoto Ōshima)
6.3 Mustang - Master Chief, Computer/Video Game, Modern Creation
6.4 spleen - Bugs Bunny, Comic/Annimation, Pre-WWII (Tex Avery)
6.5 wade moore - Odysseus, Hero, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
6.6 Lathum - Hester Prynne, Female, 19th Century (Nathaniel Hawthorn)
6.7 Danny - Mother Nature, Female, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
6.8 DeToxRox - Ichabad Crane, Literary Character, 19th Century (Washington Irvine)

7.1 DeToxRox - Dorthy Gale, Female, Pre-WWII (L. Frank Baum)
7.2 Danny - Solid Snake, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Hideo Kojima)
7.3 Lathum - Samus Arun, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Makoto Kano)
7.4 wade moore - Peter Pan, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (JM Barrie)
7.5 spleen - Mary Poppins, Literary, Female Creator (PL Travers)
7.6 Mustang - Cinderella, Female Character, Pre-19th Century Creator (Perrault)
7.7 larrymcg - Pinnochio, Child, One Great Work (Carlo Collodi)
7.8 Izulde - Nora Helmer, Live Performance, 19th Century (Ibsen)

8.1 Izulde - Sir Gawain, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
8.2 larrymcg - Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, TV Character, Cold War Creation (Jesse Delamotte)
8.3 Mustang - Sailor Moon, Child, Non-European/American Creator (Naoko Takeuchi)
8.4 spleen - Archie Bunker, Television, Cold War (Norman Lear)
8.5 wade moore - Jane Eyre, Female Character, Female Creator (Charlotte Bronte)
8.6 Lathum - Boogeyman, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
8.7 Danny - Lucy Ricardo, TV
8.8 DeToxRox - Dido Queen of Carthrage, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Christopher Marlowe)

9.1 DeToxRox - Mary Catherine Gallagher, Female, Female Creator (Molly Shannon)
9.2 Danny - Oediupus, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Sophocles)
9.3 Lathum - Peter Griffin, TV, One Great Work (Seth McFarland)
9.4 wade moore - Big Bad Wolf, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous
9.5 spleen - Danny Zuko, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Jim Jacobs & Warren Casey)
9.6 Mustang - Lestat de Lioncourt, Movie, Female Creator (Anne Rice)
9.7 larrymcg - Tommy "Pinball Wizard" Walker, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Pete Townshend & Des McAnuff)
9.8 Izulde - Chi, Comic/Animated Character, Female Creator (CLAMP)

10.1 Izulde - Nameless One, Computer/Video Game Creator, One Great Work (Chris Avellone)
10.2 larrymcg - Keyser Soze, Movie Character, Modern Day Creation (Christopher McQuarrie)
10.3 Mustang - Hawkeye Pierce, TV, Multiple Creators
10.4 Spleen - Gordon Freeman, Computer/Video Game Character, Modern Day Creation
10.5 wade moore - Hunchback of Notre Dame, Literary, 19th Century (Victor Hugo)
10.6 Lathum - Zeus, Movie, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
10.7 Danny - Charles Foster Kane, Movie Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Orson Welles)
10.8 DeToxRox - Ichi the Killer, Movie Character, Non-European/American Character (Hideo Yamamoto)

List of Characters by Drafter

Note: Will only be updated after the completion of a round

DeToxRox
1.1 George Costanza, TV Character, Modern Day (Larry David)
2.8 Cartman, Child, Multiple Creators (Trey Parker & Matt Stone)
3.1 Mario, Computer/Video Game, Cold War Creation (Shigreu Miyamoto)
4.8 Godzilla, Villain, One Great Work (Tomoyuki Tanaka)
5.1 Santa Claus, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
6.8 Ichabad Crane, Literary Character, 19th Century (Washington Irvine)
7.1 Dorthy Gale, Female, Pre-WWII (Frank Oz)
8.8 Dido Queen of Carthrage, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Christopher Marlowe)
9.1 Mary Catherine Gallagher, Female, Female Creator (Molly Shannon)
10.8 Ichi the Killer, Movie Character, Non-European/American Character (Hideo Yamamoto)

Danny
1.2 Darth Vader, Villain, Cold War Creation (George Lucas)
2.7 Frankenstein's Monster, Literary, Female (Mary Shelley)
3.2 Homer Simpson, Comic/Animated Character, Modern Day (Matt Groenig)
4.7 Optimus Prime, Hero, Multiple Creators
5.2 Alice, Child, 19th Century (Lewis Carrol)
6.7 Mother Nature, Female, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
7.2 Solid Snake, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Hideo Kojima)
8.7 Lucy Ricardo, TV, One Great Work
9.2 Oediupus, Live Performance, Pre-19th Century (Sophocles)
10.7 Charles Foster Kane, Movie Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Orson Welles)

Lathum
1.3 Harry Potter, Child, Female Creator (JK Rowling)
2.7 Roland the Gunslinger, Literary, Cold War (Stephen King)
3.3 Frodo Baggins, Hero, Pre-WWII Creation (JRR Tolkien)
4.6 The Phantom of the Opera, Play/Musical/Operatic (Live Performance) Character, Multiple creators (Andrew Lloyd Webber and Charles Hart)
5.3 Beavis, Comic/Animated, Modern Day (Mike Judge)
6.6 Hester Prynne, Female, 19th Century (Nathaniel Hawthorn)
7.3 Samus Arun, Computer/Video Game, Non-European/American (Makoto Kano)
8.6 Boogeyman, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
9.3 Peter Griffin, TV, One Great Work (Seth McFarland)
10.7 Zeus, Movie, Unknown/Anonymous Creator

wade moore
1.4 Superman, Comic/Animated Character, Multiple Creators (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster)
2.5 Holden Caulfield, Child Character, One Great Work (JD Salinger)
3.4 PacMan, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (Tōru Iwatani)
4.5 James Bond, Movie Character, Cold War Era (Ian Fleming)
5.4 Tony Soprano, Television, Modern Day (David Chase)
6.5 Odysseus, Hero, Pre-19th Century (Homer)
7.4 Peter Pan, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (JM Barrie)
8.5 Jane Eyre, Female Character, Female Creator (Charlotte Bronte)
9.4 Big Bad Wolf, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous
10.5 Hunchback of Notre Dame, Literary, 19th Century (Victor Hugo)

spleen
1.5 Robin Hood, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous
2.4 Huckleberry Finn, Child Character, 19th Century (Mark Twain)
3.5 Hello Kitty, Female Character, Non-European/American Creator (Yuko Shimizu)
4.4 Moby Dick, Villain, One Great Work (Herman Meilville)
5.5 Medusa, movie, Pre-19th Century
6.4 Bugs Bunny, Comic/Annimation, Pre-WWII (Tex Avery)
7.5 Mary Poppins, Literary, Female Creator (PL Travers)
8.4 Archie Bunker, Television, Cold War (Norman Lear)
9.5 Danny Zuko, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Jim Jacobs & Warren Casey)
10.4 Gordon Freeman, Computer/Video Game Character, Modern Day Creation

mustang
1.6 Sherlock Holmes, Literary, 19th Century (Arthur Conan Doyle)
2.3 Batman, Comic/Animated, Cold War (Bob Kane/Bill Finger)
3.6 Grim Reaper, Villain, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
4.3 Captain James T. Kirk, Hero, One Great Work (Gene Roddenberry)
5.6 Little Orphan Annie, Live Performance, Pre-WWII (Harold Gray)
6.3 Master Chief, Computer/Video Game, Modern Creation
7.6 Cinderella, Female Character, Pre-19th Century Creator (Perrault)
8.3 Sailor Moon, Child, Non-European/American Creator (Naoko Takeuchi)
9.6 Lestat de Lioncourt, Movie, Female Creator (Anne Rice)
10.3 Hawkeye Pierce, TV, Multiple Creators

larrymcg
1.7 Dracula, Villain, 19th Century (Bram Stroker)
2.2 King Arthur, Hero, Pre-19th Century Creation
3.7 Mickey Mouse - Comic/Animated Character, Pre-WWII Creation (Walt Disney & Ub Iwerks)
4.2 Beowulf, Literary, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
5.7 Scarlett O'Hara, Female Character, Female Creator (Margaret Mitchell)
6.2 Sonic the Hedgehog, Computer/Video Game Character, Non-European/American Creator (ViYuji Naka, Naoto Ōshima)
7.7 Pinnochio, Child, One Great Work (Carlo Collodi)
8.2 Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, TV Character, Cold War Creation (Jesse Delamotte)
9.7 Tommy "Pinball Wizard" Walker, Live Performance, Multiple Creators (Pete Townshend & Des McAnuff)
10.2 Keyser Soze, Movie Character, Modern Day Creation (Christopher McQuarrie)

Izule
1.8 Iago, Villain, Pre-19th Century (Shakespeare)
2.1 Omar, Television Character, Modern Day (Larry Simon)
3.8 Lara Craft, Female Character, Multiple Person Creator
4.1 Tony Montana, Movie Character, Cold War Creation
5.8 Lolita, Child, Non-European/American
6.1 Philip Marlowe, Literary Character, Pre-World War II 20th Century (Raymond Chandler)
7.8 Nora Helmer, Live Performance, 19th Century (Ibsen)
8.1 Sir Gawain, Hero, Unknown/Anonymous Creator
9.8 Chi, Comic/Animated Character, Female Creator (CLAMP)
10.1 Nameless One, Computer/Video Game Creator, One Great Work (Chris Avellone)

With that I believe DeTox is on the clock. As mentioned above if you can't be around please PM me a list of people who you'd like to draft and I will be happy to draft in your absence. I will also post any accompanying commentary should you wish.

Okay, one second.

Not gonna lie, still confused a bit by the rules so if this isn't correct please tell me. I figure after I see a few more picks I'll get it.


1.1 - George Costanza, Television character
Created by Larry David, Modern Day

Probably the best television character over the last twenty years. I am probably hurting myself going so current but fuck it. He's an icon.

my understanding is no one can take another Larry David creation

That's what I believe too.

I am already realizing how hard this is going to get.

No more George Lucas

Was going to take Vader

I doubt Wade is awake, looks like we will be stalled until morning

I actually thought he would go first, so I was happy to get him

me too, but I am just as happy with Harry Potter. Easily the most iconic literary character of the last 50 years. And honestly, maybe ever.

I've never seen a single Star Wars. Obviously I know about the films but I was pretty much plugged into taking Costanza from the beginning. Vader never crossed my mind.

Shia Lebeouf!

(Have fun guys, sorry I missed this as it looks fun but I'll come back to vote at the end.)

So much for taking the Soup Nazi as villain then.

I had to google the 1.1 pick...

Good guess there, I had been asleep for like 3 hours ;).

I wasn't prepared to be ready first thing, didn't know we'd roll so fast.

Let me get settled in at work and then I'll make my pick.

Based on your PM I'm guessing you want him in the Child Character Type?

Lathum - this needs a character type:

Harry Potter would have been my #1 pick. You can't get any better than that and you take care of the Female Creator category with huge character.

I think Darth Vader is a great pick and agree with spleen that Harry Potter's a wonderful character especially because do you get to finish out a tough character type.

As a huge Seinfeld fan I won't argue George, but wonder if he was the right 1.1

Agree with Barkeep, I think George was a reach at 1.1... Vader and HP would have been better choices there. Come to think of it, there is at least one more Star Wars character that would have been worthy.

Yeah. Harry as a child

1.4 - Superman - Comic/Animated Character - Multiple Person Creator [Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster]

Superman is THE original comic book super hero. Without him, we may not have comic book super heroes today. He transcends comics and is a worldwide superstar character across multiple mediums, but comics is where he was - born in Action Comics #1.

Dola: Pretty excited because I would have taken Superman at 1.1

1.5 - Robin Hood - Hero - Unknown/Anonymous Creator

This may be too early, but I think this Creator category is going to be a little tough later on, so I went this way now.

I think there are a lot of great characters out there hence my curiosity to see how a draft would turn out. I'll be curious to see how it plays out in later rounds. Already we've lost some iconic characters with the George Lucas characters off the board.

Hood was on my list of 3 that I was debating between at 1.4. I think he's a solid, solid pick.

Barkeep: Did Mustang give you a list last night? I know he said he'd have to basically totally work from a list.

He did not.

crap guys. I did not think we were starting this morning otherwise I would have a list..

Sherlock Holmes - 19th Century - Literary


Hope I did that right


I'll cobble together something to send a list.

Just have to identify a creator, which I'm sure is Arthur Conan Doyle in this case. Sherlock seems like a clear 1st round pick.

A note to Mustang and others putting together a list:
I will accept simple conditional picks as opposed to simply a ranked list, if you desire.

Funny quote from Bill Simmons new website, Grantland.


Link

I was hoping Holmes would fall to 2.5, guess not.

I have a short list sent to Barkeep.

Barkeep, I also sent you my work email so.. if you need to reach me you can.

I figured Holmes would go pretty quickly. I didn't really target him for that reason.

So far planning this draft has been one of my favorite so far - because I think the setup is very challenging.

Kudos to you barkeep, I think this is a GREAT setup.

Thanks. I felt from my experience in drafts that it's fun not only to come up with who to draft but also how to slot them and so I purposefully allowed for overlapping choices in both types as I think it adds a bit of drafting strategy.

Making my pick in a second...

I guess my hopes were too high for Dracula. He was doing to be my next pick.

how long fo people have to make their picks and what hours are we sticking to?

Thoughts?

I think 2 hours to make picks is reasonable. No reason not to submit a list if you know you will be away.

Hours I say 9-9 M-F EST. Just my 2 cents

What happens if you don't pick within your time limit? This is only my 2nd one of these, so I don't remember how this was handled in the past.

You simply make your pick when you come back, but can't pick anyone who was picked in the interim.

The way we've usually done, and I think has worked well, is you get one chance for a long delay and then after that the clock starts running on you.

For example, if you go for 24 hours without making a pick, then you get passed up. From that point, you are on a 2 hour clock, then a 1 hour clock, etc.

Minnesota Vikings rule

Yeah, I think we should give Izulde some rope today, we have been moving pretty fast so far.

Sent Izulde a FB message that he is up

If people don't know, normally the policy is to PM the person after you when you make your pick.

This is true though complicated by the fact that several PM boxes seem to be full.

1.8 - Iago, Villain, Pre- 19th Century (William Shakespeare)

I considered putting this in the Live Performance category and almost did, but ultimately what it comes down to is the fact that Iago is one of the most interesting and memorable villains in the history of the world. His plan was absolutely perfect, his machinations splendid to watch unfold. The only problem was, he took one element of his life for granted, and that proved his undoing. It helps also I think that although watchers and readers may initially be simultaneously repulsed and fascinated by Iago, upon further reflection they find themselves sympathizing with him in a way, for who among us has not felt intense jealousy and bitterness over another person's success and secretly wished to bring them down, if even only for a moment? And of course, there's the ending, which stands in stark contrast to the tell-all nature of most villains.

I was really excited to see which Shakespeare character would be chosen and Iago does not disappoint. I will say that I'd have put him in the Live Performance Category since Shakespeare is so linked with the stage, but he is also a terrificly memorable Villain.

Izulde, can you bold your picks please so we can spot them easier.

I'll bold for him.

Izulde, you know you're up again, right?

Sorry I literally had just woken up 5 seconds before my pick.

2.1 - Omar Little - Television Character - Modern Day (1990-Present) (David Simon

Admittedly it's way too early and maybe not the best pick even in this category, but I just woke up like I said and I don't want to hold up the draft any longer. However, Omar is arguably the most memorable and popular character in what many consider the greatest television series of all time in The Wire. A total badass, intelligent, and charismatic, he is the sort of antihero the audience loves

He also shattered contemporary conceptions and stereotypes of homosexual characters by being one of the biggest badasses ever. That he was an African-American character in some ways makes it all the more daring and compelling a character, as black homosexuality is a subject that is, I think, little discussed.

Just my opinion, but Izulde reached way to much on his first picks

I think the most remarkable thing about Omar was his code. You hardly say that he was cooperative with the police, but with both Jimmy and Bunk, Omar's code meant that an understanding and level of mutual respect could be reached.

I think taking Shakespeare off the board makes that a good pick.

A block isn't a good enough reason here. It's really just saying that no one gets credit for Shakespeare by taking such a relative unknown character.

My problem with the pick isn't Shakespeare as the creator, that's good, it's that among his characters, Iago isn't the first one that comes to mind. Or the tenth for that matter.

Fair enough. I'd probably have gone Hamlet personally.

Iago is not the Shakespeare character I would have taken. I had Romeo, Juliet and Hamlet as my Shakespeare choices.

I love the Omar pick because I love The Wire. I think it is way to early for him to go though. He may be an iconic figure here in FOFC because we are all huge fans of the show, but over all the world doesn't know who he is.

This- lots of epic Shakespear players to choose from

Really? I personally always thought Iago was one of the first rank Shakespeare characters to come to mind.

I can see the cases for Hamlet, Romeo, and Juliet, but Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch and Romeo and Juliet, while iconic because of the cultural imprint, are not memorable characters in and of themselves.

Which I think is where one of the main philosophical debates of this draft lies - Do you choose the most famous characters, regardless of strength/memorable nature, or do you choose those who may not be quite on the same fame level (though still famous), but are strong, interesting, and memorable in and of themselves?

I would have personally gone with MacBeth as far as Shakespeare characters go, but for me, Omar pretty much locks up the "Television Character" category for Izulde.

I have a question on the Unknown/Anonymous category. Are those originally published as anonymous, but author later revealed fair game? Or does it still have to be anonymous?

I have a similar problem with Romeo & Juliet to Izulde. They are a great not because of who they are as characters, I think Shakespeare did a great job of capturing their immaturity, but because of the plot. The characters in a different situation aren't interesting. I think Iago with different people is still an interesting character.

Where I disagree with Izulde is the idea that Hamlet is not an interesting and memorable character in and of himself. Sure he's a bit emo, but Shakespeare is so much a part of the established Western cannon that seems like a really unfair way to dismiss a complex somewhat distant character.

If you clear up some PM space and give me a specific I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

By the way, fantastic pick, larry.

Mustang selects

Just to be clear: You are using the Pre-19th Century Creator type (you also seem to reference the Unknown/Anonymous Creator)?

Personally, I think you're overestimating the impact/spread/knowledge of Othello.

Hamlet is a whiny, emo, little bitch? You just tore a small piece out of my heart.

I'll admit, though, that I'm not sure I'd pick Hamlet over Lear.

I just have a very hard time respecting Hamlet on any level. In fact, I have more respect for Claudius.

2.4 - Huckleberry Finn - Child Character - 19th Century Creater (Mark Twain)

Good picks with King Arthur and Batman.

That could very well be. Which, if so, is a shame. In my opinion, it's one of Shakespeare's best plays.

I'll be honest. I had to look up Iago because I immediately thought of the parrot in Aladin.

But.... I'm not the most literary person. I didn't really like Shakespeare all that much in HS.

I don't think respecting Hamlet is the point. There are plenty of historical figures who I can't say I respect in anyway, but who I can still acknowledge as having done something great.

I think, even from this discussion, how clearly memorable Hamlet is, and that to me seems a really important aspect for a character.

Same here on having to look it up.

I was curious to see if Finn or Sawyer would be the Twain pick.

Yes, I am using Pre-19th. The Unknown/Anonymous/Multiple was just identifying the creator.

I have a bad feeling Wade is going to take my next pick I want

Hamlet was going to be my next pick. He is clearly the #1 Shakespeare fictional character.

I'm starting to get an idea of how I'm going to approach this draft, I think and if I go the way I'm thinking of, the first two picks work fine.

2.5 - Holden Caulfield - The Catcher in the Rye - Child Character - One Great Work [J.D. Salinger]

Holden Caulfield is an amazing character in an amazing book. Written by J.D. Salinger who not long after writing the book and it becoming famous, withdrew and became a complete recluse. When I think of truly iconic Child Characters, I think it's hard to beat Caulfield.

Non-European/American Creator

Is this one Non-European & Non-American Creator? I just want to clarify. Thanks!

I guess I should read this book, hrm? :D

Yeah, my take on this was he wanted something from someone that was neither American or European.

The Creator may not be European and may not be American. Asian/African/Latin are all acceptable.

When I came up with the One Great Work category Salinger was one of two authors who immediately came to mind. The power of the work is clear to document as I know at least 3 kids who were named after Holden Caulfield.

2.6- Roland the Gunslinger- Literary

Steven King

Cold War Era

given the makeup of this group amazed he made it this far