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FOFC's Greatest Athlete II (interactive)
For those of you who weren't involved in the first one and/or simply don't remember it because it was so long ago, here is a refresher...FOFC's Greatest Athlete I.
The basic premise around how the players will be created and how the game will be run is going to be similar. But, I have made some changes which I hope will create greater disparity between athletes and hopefully make the dynasty more exciting and fun. I'll detail the changes and how'll we'll proceed once I know we'll have enough to justify the effort... |
Guess I should add some detail to this in case you aren't interested in clicking on the link to see the previous dynasty.
This is a Decathlon competition, where the users will set skill points which will be combined to determine how well they will do in each of the 10 events. Then players will determine how risky to be with throws/jumps in an effort to maximize their score... If you have questions and don't want to read the old dynasty, just ask. |
Definitely in.
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Sure.
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Oh yeah, the last one was a blast. Count me in. Can't believe that it was 6 1/2 years ago!
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This looks cool, I'm in.
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Sign me up!
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yup I wanna be in!
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In!
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Sounds good, guess I'll go read the first edition.
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Well 8 is a pretty good start...we are about half way from where we were 6.5 years ago...(as PilotMan pointed out...can't believe it's been that long either)...
Anyway, hopefully we'll get some more people to sign up soon. In the meantime...here is the deal --------------------------------------------------- In the previous version of this dynasty users had 375 points to split between 5 skills...this time there are 750 points and 10 skills... The skills are: - Balance - Speed - Strength - Stamina - Athletic Ability - Technique - Explosiveness - Focus - Drive - Flexibility Each of the 10 events will use a percentage of the skills above to total 100%. The skill points you choose will be multiplied by the percentage each event needs and added together to give you a grade in the event. This grade will correspond to the table that will be used to generate your athlete's potential results (don't worry, all you have to do is assign the points to the skills, I take care of the rest - but thought it might be helpful to understand the process used to create your character). Unlike the previous dynasty where there were 3 grades per event, now there are 5...I haven't yet determined how I am going to split the grades. I'd like to do a typical school split for A,B,C,D,F...but I might have to fudge the percentages a bit to get a good sample...I won't know until I see how things breakdown after applying the skill points... Each of the 10 skills will be represented 100% across the 10 events...this isn't to say that every skill is referenced in every event, but in totality they will all be referenced the same (i.e. Speed might be 50% of 100m and 50% of hurdles and nothing else). Boy this seemed so simple until I tried to explain it... Basically at this point if you want to PM me your skill breakdowns along with Character Name and country I'll start building the player cards. Lets have a minimum of 35 points on a skill and a max of 100...And if you have any questions I'll do my best to clarify... Also if you haven't signed up and would like to, please do... |
In case you aren't familiar with the 10 events in the Decathlon they are:
100 Meters Long Jump Shot Put High Jump 400 Meters Hurdles Discus Pole Vault Javelin 1500 Meters |
Got 4 athletes signed up...
Rob Nielsen - Denmark Brian Babson - Germany Jawouk Bafou - Cameroon David Ginsberg - Israel still waiting on details for the 4 other entries and still plenty of time to jump into the competition of you are interested... |
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Norway represent!
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I had the following PMed to me by someone interested in playing...and I felt it was a good question that should probably go here...
"Just read through the first one, looked like a blast! I noticed there were a lot of injuries and I was wondering if the injury probability has anything to do with ratings or if it was strictly based on choices in the events. Also, will the "A"/"B"/"C" table scoring system from last time be getting used?" Ok, so I guess the best thing to do here is to breakdown the game mechanics that way it will be easier for you to follow along...(I hope...and given my track record with trying to explain this stuff, probably famous last words) Think of the game as a spreadsheet. Each event is a column, each outcome is a row. The outcomes are chosen based on a random number (in the orginal game dice are used). This number ranges from 10 - 39, with 10s being 1/6 of the possible results, 20s being 1/3, and 30s being 1/2. The injuries are preset in the table - so the possiblity of injury is present in every event (though never on a safe attempt at a field event), and obviously the more attempts taken the possibility of getting an injury also increases...so in a way - yes the more you try the greater the possibility of getting hurt. The A,B,C scoring table is now an A,B,C,D,F scoring table - where there is more separation between the top and bottom performers (hopefully, creating a reward penalty situation based on where stats are placed in the 10 skill sets). This time around the athlete card creation is much more refined, as I was able to maintain the statistical weighting originally setup inside the game, rather than completely randomizing the card creation (hopefully this will make the grades earned more important to results)... Hope that answers your question... Let me know if you have more... |
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We are up to 8 fully entered athletes
Brian Babson - Germany Rob Nielsen - Denmark Jawouk Bafou - Cameroon David Ginsberg - Israel Olaf Gunderson - Norwary Fox McCloud - Scotland Kurt Rambus Jr. - USA Larry McGillicuddy - Ireland With 3 more that stated they wanted in who we are waiting on stats from. Still time to jump in if interested... |
Kyrgyzstan in the House!
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Just need a Swede and we'll have our own little Norse Trifecta.
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Kurt Rambus Jr?!?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are my new favorite person whoever you are.
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Got 10 athletes skills entered...of the people who said they wanted to play, we are only waiting on Chesapeake to send in his stats. We still have time for others to jump on board, but once Ches is in, I'll start assigning grades and creating character cards, which will make it much more difficult to get into the dynasty.
The reason for the difficulty is the events are going to "graded" on a curve, which means adding new people after the curve is applied can skew the grades for the other players, forcing me to recreate the character cards. So if you're interested get me your stats ASAP... |
Sorry to be the straggler, but I'm in now.
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Athletes have been graded, and I'm now in the process of creating the playing cards. We ended up with 12 competitors...and while many took a similar approach to skill point distribution, I think we have a nice spread across the 10 events (though I'll have more tweaks in the v3)...
I have completed 5 cards, and it is a bit time consuming, so don't give up on me. Keep an eye on the thread because we'll probably get this going next week... |
All cards have been created, just need some time now to evaluate them so I can do an intro before we begin...
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FOFC's Greatest Athlete II
Meet The Athletes Welcome to the second ***cough*** annual ***cough, cough*** FOFC's Greatest Athlete competition. It should be a good one as we have 12 athletes entered with a wide range of skill sets. We are a bit disappointed that Stan Gunner, who dominated the previous competition isn't here to defend his title, but we are looking forward to a great meet. Before we get started let's take a moment to introduce the contestants.... Rob Nielsen - Denmark - Nielsen is a pretty balanced competitor with good athletic ability and technique, which will carry him through most of the field events. He has only 2 weaknesses...he lacks top end speed and he doesn't hold up well in the distance runs. Brian Babson - Germany - One of our favorite athlete is back, Babson, who competed last time as an Austrailian, is now a German. The vagabon athlete tends to be forced to swith aligence because he runs out of money in a country and can't get home. This is the 2nd time it has happened with Brian, but he always seems to rebound well. Last time Babson was forced to with draw from the competition due to injury, this time he vows to finish...of course, I'll believe that when I see it. Babson has been working hard at the decathlon and is one of the favorites this time around. He is very fast and athletic and he has refined his technique. The only drawback for Babson is endurance. The former boxer still refusess to do "road work" and therefore he might be forced to sit and catch his breath in the 400, and you can forget about the 1500...that might take a couple of pit stops... Jawouk Bafou - Cameroon - He was recruited to play basketball at Duke because of his raw potential, but he thought better of it and decided to apply those raw skills to Olympic sports. Now he's the kind of competitor that could run forever and has surprising strength, but does not have the chops to contend in the more technically refined events. David Ginsberg - Israel - Ginsberg is a fast, athletic athlete that also has the endurance that many of his competitors lack. This should position him to make strong moves at the end of both days. Ginsberg's biggest issue will be staying with the field on the three toss events (shot, discus, javelin) Olaf Gunderson - Norway - Olaf is one of the more balanced athletes in the field. He has good abilities across the board, but the question is going to be if the lack of a dominating event or events sink his chances. For him to be in the medal hunt he can't afford to have a bad result, because he appears to lack the ability to score big in any one event. Fox McCloud - Scotland - Fox is another speed demon, but he also has surprising strength and explosiveness, which makes him one of the pre-meet favorites. He like Babson, lacks the endurance necessary to be a factor in the longer runs, and that could come back to haunt him. Kurt Rambis, Jr. - USA - The lone American in the event, comes to us from an athletic family. Rambis, if he can remember where he needs to be in each event and what he is supposed to do in each event might be a tough competitor. He is strong, fast, athletic...a lot Fox McCloud...but Rambis Jr. Seems to lack some of the intangibles that may cause a problem in the more complicated events (pole vault, high jump, long jump, hurdles)... Larry McGillicuddy - Ireland - Larry, is an athlete with some top end speed. Plus he can run for distances without running out of steam. He claims that Guinness can do that to a person, and who am I to argue...think I'll add that to my own personal traning regimen. Larry will need to maximize his returns in his strong events because like Ginsberg, he's going to suffer in the toss events...if he can somehow manage to stay in the middle of the pack in those events, he'll have a shot to win it all... Kurmanbek Ashkayev - Kyrgyzstan - Thank goodness this is a written dynasty and not a real radio report because I wouldn't want to attempt to pronounce this name...and honestly, I'll probably butcher it every time I don't cut and paste...regardless, Ashkayev is arguably the best balanced of all the athletes. He has good ability across the board, but no real area where he dominates. He will probably make a move on the scoreboard at the end of each day due to good endurance. David Gonzalez - France - The former Mexican competitor is back with a new home...France. Gonzalez is one of the two returners...and another that was forced to withdraw due to injury. Gonzalez like Babson says he'll finish this time, but it is hard to believe that David has gotten tougher living in France then when he was fleeing boarder patrol in Mexico. Gonzalez is another balanced athlete...but he lacks explosiveness which may end up hindering him at some point. Gryffydd Llyw - Wales - And I though Ashkayev was going to be tough to pronounce...Gryffydd also has taken the position that it is better to be good in everything than great at any one thing. He has a bunch of natural athletic ability that allows him to maximize his results that may ultimately carry him to the medal platform. The one area of worry for Llyw is the 100 Meters. He needs to be quick out of the block to make up for lack of top end speed... Frank Justice - England - Justice also leans on his athletic ability to help him compete, he also leverages his technique and strength to make himself very though in the field events. He isn't a great sprinter, and like Llyw will want to get a good start in the 100 meters to overcome that weakness. |
Nielsen, through a translator, because he is too pure of a Viking to demean himself by speaking English, is already making claims of media bias. Where's the glowing reviews of Nielsen's perfect Norse physique? Where's the report of the throng of hot Danish women who follow this perfect physical specimen wherever he goes?
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Bah, jumping for rebounds is a poor substitute for boxing out. Stay on the ground and keep those ankles safe, that's the Rambis strategy.
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Hey, a guy can be excused for not having the endurance of his youth after a full career of boxing, golf, and so on. Babson is still gonna put on a clinic if he can figure out where the events are. And if he feels like trying (gotta worry a bit more about looking for loose change so he can get out of the country).
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Olaf is a fish eating Norwegian not a meatball eating Swede!
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The Cameroonians will just be hoping that Duke basketball wasn't Jawouk's better alternative when this is said and done.
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Information Correction
Olaf Gunderson hails from Norway, not Sweden as was originally reported during the event preview. That has been corrected and the sports information director for the FOFC Games has been fired without pay as a result of his stupidity. Word is he's talked to Babson about how to survive in a country where you don't speak the language but you are stranded and can't get home. |
It's good to be an expert in a field.
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Event 1 - 100 Meter - Preview
The Event Favorites Ginsberg, Babson, McCloud, Bafou, McGillicuddy The Event Underdogs Nielsen, Llyw, Justice, Gunderson, Gonzalez |
Event 1 - 100 Meter - Card Review
Babson - Babson has a nice card with mostly results falling in the 10.45 to 10.55 range. There is a concerning 10.65 on a high probability roll of 37 and a 10.6 on the 24. The beset he can do is a 10.2, but it would take a lucky 29. Projection - 10.45 Ginsberg - This card is potentially the best in the event. The high probably 8 of the 10 high probability rolls are all 10.45 or lower...the 2 that aren't are a 10.7 on 30 (lower probability for a roll in the 30s) and an alarming 10.8 on the 38. A roll of 38 would be a killer here as Ginsberg needs to take advantage of his strong card. Projection - 10.4 Nielsen - Not a good event for the ravishing Dane...the best he can possibly do is a 10.75, but it is on a relatively attainable roll of 31. Most results appear to be around 11.15, but I hope he does better so we can see his female entourage jump up and down in support and excitement... Projection - 11.15 McCloud - McCloud's got a solid card...with an amazing 10.15 possibility, but it is on the next to impossible roll of 18...most results appear to be around 10:45 with the worst a 10.75 - Projection 10.45 Llyw - Llyw has a wide range of potential outcomes...best is a 10.65 that appears in a couple of good spots, 25 & 37, but there are some horrible results like an 11.6 with appears twice 23 & 39. This could really be a make or break event for Llyw...his low roll will put him in a prime spot to get a medal, a bad roll might eliminate his chances right out of the gate. I expect something in the middle - Projection - 10.95 Rambis - Rambis got a good draw on his card...though he was a middle of the pack performer in this event, during creation he got a very respectible 10.5 and 10.55 on the most common rolls in the game. Most of the rest of the card are about what you'd expect, with results in the upper 10s. - Projection 10.80 Justice - Justice isn't going to be very good in this event. He has no low results, the best he can hope for is an upper 10 result. Projection - 11.05 Bafou - the former basketball player is able to go when he needs too, probably from running all those suicides for Coach K. Regardless the reason, he could outright win this event. He has 10 rolls that are sub 10.4...the worst appears to be a 10.8. Projection 10.45 McGillicuddy - very similar card to Bafou, but lacking the number of sub 10.4s. Though he does have a few sub 10.2s...that could make a huge impact in scoring if they were rolled. Projection 10.45 Ashkayev - Another one of the big swing cards...the result here could be anywhere from mid 10.5s to the low 11s...in fact on the highest probabilty rolls he has 10.55, 10.85, 10.6, 10.85...that alone is a big swing...Projection - 10.8 Gunderson - For an underdog in this event Gunderson actually got some good breaks in card creation. He hs a nice 10.65 on a roll of 36, plus 2 more in the 10.6s in the low 30 rolls. However, the card is still created from the lower performers in the event and there are some potentially ugly outcomes in prime spots as well. Projection - 10.95 Gonzalez - this card was made from the same pool as Gunderson, but it lacks the number of score board change rolls in the 10.6s. There are a few, but mostly this card is an upper 10s lower 11s result. There are some very ugly mid 11s that need to be avoided - Projection - 10.95 Note: the "Projections" are quick calculation from eyeballing the card and knowing the basic probabilities of each outcome, and selecting what appears to be the most common |
Got to hope Gonzalez can pull a miracle mid table result.
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Danes are not sprinters. People sprint away from us in terror, or, in the case of ladies, they sprint towards us in lust.
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Come on 29!
Also, what is the chance the rest of the decathlon is delayed a day due to adverse weather conditions? Babson will need a little break after this to catch his breath and look for spare change. |
Don't understand the card/scoring system but I don't really need to I thinik :)
Come on Fox! Run those speedy legs of yours! |
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You don't need to know them...but I'll give you details if you'd like.... Basically...the game orginally used some custom dice that rolled results between 10 - 39. Rolls in the 10s happen about 1/6th of the time, the 20s 1/3rd of the time, and the 30's half the time. The singles place occurs basically in a standard bell curve with the 4 and 5 rolls being most common...the 0 and 8s are the same, the 1s and 7, 2&6, the 3 is more than the 2 and 6 but not as much as the 4 and 5, and the 9 roll is the least common of all... hope that helps some... |
Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 1
In the first heat we have Babson, Ginsberg, Nielsen, McCloud, Llyw, and Rambus... This race is really a case of the haves and have nots...the haves...have speed and the have nots don't. We expect Babson, Ginsberg and McCloud to pull away early and just continue to separate... The are in the blocks and.... ------------------------------------------------- "runners take your mark...." BANG Gun goes off and as expected the sprinters are out quickly...Babson has an early half step lead with McCould and Ginsberg right on his hip...Rambus and Llyw are neck and neck with Nielsen trying to stay in contact... At the half way point Babson is starting to stretch his lead...and Rambus is beginning to pull away from Llwy... As they approach the line Babson is flying and he continues to open his lead...this is looking like an incredible time...Ginsberg and McCloud are still stride for stride too tough to call a leader. Rambus has opened a couple step lead on Llyw for 4th and Nielsen has slipped further back... At the line it's Babson... Still too close to call on the McCloud/Ginsberg spot... Rambus is 4th, followed by Llyw and Nielsen... We will wait for the official times. Remember in the Decathlon while it is nice to win an event or heat, it is all about how you score - so it will be interesting to see who is happy with their results and who isn't... |
Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 1 - Official Results
The official results are in... Code:
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Let's go Gunderson!! Vikings certainly aren't known for their speed, but you have to beat Nielsen at least.
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Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 2
The runners are stretching out waiting on their signal to get into the blocks... In this heat we expect Bafou and McGillicuddy to pull out to an early lead with Ashkayev falling in the middle between the 2 sprinters and the 3 non-sprinters...Gonzalez, Gunderson, and Justice... The runners and in the blocks... ------------------------- And they are off... Ashkayev is out of the blocks extremely quickly grabbing an early lead with McGillicuddy next and Bafou only a half step behind. The remaining 3 runners are already trailing the pack... At the midway point Ashkayev is holding on to the lead, but McGilly and Bafou are closing...in the back Justice is starting to fade behind the Gonzalez and Gunderson pair... As we approach the line McGilly has passed Ashkayev and Bafou is neck and neck with him.... With the also rans, Gunderson looks to be establishing himself as the best of the rest... At the line it is McGillicuddy, Bafou and Ashkayev...followed by Gunderson, Gonzalez and Justice... Official times coming up... |
Feh. Norway by all respects should still be part of Greater Denmark. Nielsen will bear no ill will to a fellow Dane performing well.
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Event 1 - 100 Meters - Heat 2 - Official Results
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You were spot on with your prediction for Llyw.
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And Bafou. Hoping that Babson wears down over the course of the day.
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If nothing else goes his way, Babson may at least be able to set up a sneaker endorsement to get the heck outta Berlin.
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Uh-Oh. I thought Rambis Jr. would be at least a top-3 guy in that one. :eek:
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Leaderboard After - After 1 Event
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Event 1 - 100 Meter - Recap
So at the end of the first event, who were the big winners and losers... Winners Ashkayev - Overall, he may have finished dead middle in the standings, and actually by grade he should have finished 6th or 7th, but what makes him a winner in this event is the fact that he only finished .05 seconds behind the sprinters...which is 12 points. For a point of reference, Rambus' card was designed from the same table checks but he ran a much more typical time (as you can see from the projections). Babson - Yes Babson was supposed to do well in this event, as he came in with a high B grade...but for him to out-perform the entire field the way he did was big. Plus he earned well over 1000 points in a single event. This result will carry him for a while. It will remain to be seen if it can carry him through his weaknesses though. Losers Ginsberg - While a 10.5 isn't a bad result, and it is only .1 from his projection, Ginsberg is a loser in this event partly because Babson posted the extremely fast 10.25...and partly because he was the only "A" grade coming in, and yet he tied for 4th. Basically every B grade either beat or tied him, thus losing some advantage to the field. The performance isn't a crushing one, but this would have been an area were he could have opened a lead with a nice roll... Everyone else performed about how they were expected to. Next event is the Long Jump...This event will require some strategic decisions on your part, but first I'll need to get you breakdowns of the events by jump style (safe, average, all out), so you can make an informed decision... |
Event 2 - Long Jump - Preview
In this event the spread between best and worst is much smaller as there are no extremes on either end...so just because an athlete is listed in the favorites or underdogs list, doesn't mean they can't end up on the opposite end of the standings when all is said a done. This could be a real swing event due to the tighness of the cards. The Event Favorites Babson, Nielsen, McCloud The Event Underdogs Rambis, Bafou, Ashkayev, Gonzalez |
EVENT 2 - Long Jump - Result Specifics
Chances of Occurance Conservative Fouls - 0% Injuries - 0% Normal Fouls - 29.17% Injuries - 2.31% Aggressive Fouls - 58.33% Injuries - 4.63% NOTE: Any roll that results in an injury also results in a foul. |
Event 2 - Long Jump - Card Review
Babson Safe - Best outcome here appears to be a 24'6" result (on 38), there are 4 more results in the 24' range but they are on hard to get rolls of 16, 18, 19, 20...Low end appears be be in the low 21s and there is one of those on 37 and 32. Most likely outcome in this column appears to be in the low 23' range Ave - Top end is 25'6" on a very attainable 25 role. Plus two 25' results on 39 & 31. Low end looks like a 22' 2" result on 22. Most likely outcome in this range mid 24'. All Out - As good at teh first two columns looked, this one leave a bit to be desired. There are some great oucomes, including 26' on 10, 25'10", 25'8" on 28 and 29. But there are several low rolls, I count 7 results that are sub 24'...this is truly a boom or bust column. Most likely outcome...??? (too varied to say) Ginsberg Safe - Ginsberg got a bad break on card creation in this column. He has a couple of pretty pathetic tosses on the most highly probable rolls. A 21'1 on 32, a 21'3" on 34, and a 21'2 on 35. The best appears to be a 24'5 on 28. The rolls in the 30 (half of the chances) are mostly populated with low 21s and mid to low 23s. The lower probability rolls appear to be better...22'+. Most probable outcome - low 21' Ave - This column is much more stable as most of the outcomes are upper 23's and lower 24s. High appears to be 24'6", low is 22'7"...Most likely outcome is upper 23s All Out - There are some good results here...a 25'3" on 22, a 24'10" on 29, and a couple of 24'10"+ results in the teens. Low appears to be 22'3". Most likely outcome low 23s Nielsen Safe - Here is another bad break in card creation. Though Nielsen's card is created from one of the better tables, He ended up on the short end of most of the column checks here. Low end is 20'5 on 24 and another 20' result sits on 23 (both are highly likely results). High end is in the mid 24s and it looks like there are only 3 in the entire column. Most likely result is probably in the mid 22s Ave - This is actually a very good column. It may lack some real high end results, but other than a 21'6" result on 38 and a 22'3" on 37, most of the rest of the outcomes appear to be in the 24' range. Most likely outcome mid to upper 24s All Out - This column has some 25'6"+ results but also has several in the 22' range as well...a classic risk/reward chance here. Most likely outcome - ??? McCloud Safe - Poor results in the 21' rand on 32, 34, 35, and 39 plus a low 22' on 32 and 36. Not many good rolls in this column though there is a 24'$" on 28. Most likely outcome mid 21s Ave - Some very nice results here...a strong 25'2" on 36, and a 24'7" on 31. Plus several in the mid 24s and 25s on rolls in the mid 20s. Low end is in the upper 21s. Most likely outcome Mid to upper 24s All Out - Got 7 results greater than 25' in this column, but as ususal there are several in the mid 23s...Most likely result low 25s. Llwy Safe - low results on the high probably rolls. high appears to be a 24'3" result on 23, lows are in the upper 20s. Most likely outcome High 21s Ave - The results here are almost all between the low 23s and mid 24s. Most likely result - low 24s All Out - Nice 25'3' result on 22...a couple other greater than 25 in the teens. A bunch of 23' results...Most likely result ??? Rambis Safe - Absolutely awful results on the most common rolls of 33, 34 and 35...nothing better than a 20'11" and as bad as a 19'2" result on 34...there are quite a few low 20s and a couple other 19s here. High appears to be in the 23s. Most likely outcome is low 21s Ave - Outcomes range from upper 20s to lower 24s and they are all over the map. Most likely result appears to be upper 22s to lower 23s All Out - Well it was mentioned that Rambis was an undog in this event...and while I said that because of the tight bunching in the card creation their might be a chance for someone to make a move...this column doesn't help his chances much...best outcome is a 24'8" result on 10 (second hardest roll to get in the game). Most of this column sits in the 22s. Most likely outcome is mid 22s. Justice Safe - Similar to many other cards above with the poor rolls in the mid 30s, but most results in the mid 22s to low 23s. Does have anice 24+ on 27. Most likely result is mid 22s Ave - a bunch of low 24s here. Low end is in the 22s but that is rare. Most likely outcome is low 24s. All Out - got a couple 25' results, 22 & 11...a few high 24s and rest are in the 22 and 23 range with 2 21' outcomes. Most likely result upper 22s to lower 23s Bafou Safe - Another card with some 19' results. High in this column is in the low 23s. Most likely outcome is in the Upper 20s Ave - I coun 3 24'+ results...low is 21'9" on 17...Most likely result is mid 22s All Out - I count 4 results in the mid 24s...most would take a roll in the teens. Low end is 20'9". Most likely result is in the mid to upper 22s McGillicudy Safe - Mid 30s aren't good upper 21s, some other low results in the upper 20s to low 21s spread around. High is a 24'7" result on pretty good numbers (27 & 32), another plus 24' result on 23...Most likely result upper 21s to mid 22s Ave - almost all 23' to 24' results...most likely is low 24s All Out - got the nice 25'2" result on 22 (may have seen this a couple of time earlier), plus a 25' on 10, and a 25'4" on 13. the rest of the results spread pretty evenly between mid to upper 22s, mid 23s and mid to low 24s...Most likely - ??? Ashkayev Safe - pretty even spread between the upper 21s, through the 22s - only 1 23+ outcome on the roll of 36. Most likely result is lower to mid 22s Ave - with the exception of the 20'9" on 21...everything is basically beween 23' and 24'4" (with a couple of rolls in the low 22s). Most likely result is low to mid 23s All Out - a couple of 24'+ plus results on decent rolls of 20 and 21 plus 10 and 11. The rest of the card is basically 23' or lower. Most likely outcome is mid to low 22s. Gunderson Safe - poor rolls on the high probably outcomes of 34, 35, and 36...all 21'11" or shorter...but most of the rest of the card in this column is pretty good. A lot of 23'+ results, and it looks like 3 results greater than 24'. Most likely outcome is low 23s Ave - This column is slightly better than the last because ther are more high 23s and mid to low 24' outcomes. and some are in better locations, like 24'+ on 13, 19 (not so great), 21, 25 (really good), 27, 29, 31....Low end is 22'3" on 39. Most likely outcome is upper 23s to lower 24s All Out - This is a better all our column than most of the players that weren't mentioned as favorites. Not as many 21' and lower 22' results. There are quite a few in the low 23s..but there are also 5 24'6"+ results...High looks like 25'3"...Most likely result is ??? Gonzalez Safe - terrible 19"4" result on 37...no great oucomes here...best appears to be in the low 22s...most likely outcome is upper 20s to low 21s Ave - This actually isn't that bad a column for an underdog card...most result here are in the low to mid 23s...Not really a chance to get a long throw as the long appears to be 24'. But there are 12 results greater than 23'. Still have trash results in the 21' range...most likely outcome is mid 23s All Out - Not a tone here to work with. Do have a 24'8" result on 10, 25' on 11 and a 24'6" result on 22...but most of the column is mid to lower 22s. most likely outcome is mid 22s to low 23s Note: The most likely outcomes assume that there will be no injury or fault...they are outcomes for successful attempts. Also just because there is a most likely outcome listed doesn't mean that the roll can't return a significantly different result...so don't let the most likely reference overly impact your selection of the type of attempt you wish to make. If you feel you don't have enough information to make a decision on how you want to proceed just let me know and I'll work with you to provide what you need. Also be aware that I will keep an eye on your result and will let you know if you have maxed out or are close to maxing out in a column or in totality so you won't waste time making unnecessary jumpts |
Ground Rules
I probably should have done this earlier, but a few ground rules that you need to keep in mind (yes I'm going to once again attempt to explain this and will probably confuse the hell out you). The game has a fatigue penalty that is built in. For fatigue in the orginal game, everything revolved around how many high jump attempts in Day 1, and pole vault attempts in day 2 were taken (and we'll get into how that event works when we roll around to it, but basically you choose your starting height and when to pass and jump to maximize your result and minimize your attempts). I felt that was stupid and modified the rules such that there is a number of attempts in all field events that will trigger the fatigue factor. So saving an attempt in LJ is equal to an attempt in High Jump and Shot, etc. The only difference is LJ, Shot, Discus, Javelin all have a set 3 attepts where High Jump and Pole Vault you go as long as you want until you miss 3 times. The original game allowed 7 high jump attempts before fatigue set in...I have also modified that figured to take into account each player's endurance. So I can't tell you how many you have, but I can tell you that if you have low endurance ratings you may want to save some attempts to save some energy. Does this make sense? If not please let me know, because it could be critical in your decision making and have a significant impact on the final results... |
Event 2 - Long Jump
In this event every athlete will be allowed 3 jumps (you can take fewer as explained above). What I need from each of you is a declaration of how you wish to do the first attempt - Safe, Average, or Allout There really is no strategic disadvantage to announcing your style here...but if you prefer you can PM me how you want to proceed. |
Edit. Heh. Answered.
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Nielsen Springe 1: Alle Ud.
Translator says: Jump 1, All Out |
Babson - Safe
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Figured out my own question.
Bafou's first two jumps - Safe, Normal |
I'll go with an average as that seems best for me, David Ginsberg.
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Guys quick request...when you make your declaration...please include your character's name...just saves me from looking it up...
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Llyw Jump 1 - Average
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Ashkayev All out for jump 1
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Gunderson will go all out for jump 1.
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McGillicuddy - All out.
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Kurt Rambis Jr. will go average until he jumps a 22' 6 or better, then conserve his energy. And he would also like to attempt to drop marbles out of his pocket onto the takeoff area without any judges noticing.
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McCloud NOrmal
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grine højlydt |
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save some energy for other events? for the next day? are all these on the same day? separate days? |
Frank Justice - All Out
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David Gonzalez - Normal all the way
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Woo! 12/12!
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And now we can see who's who :) |
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Yeah, the is event is held over 2 days... Day 1. 100 meters long jump shot put high jump 400 mters Day 2 hurdles discus pole vault javelin 1500 meters so any attempts you save can preserve your stamina for a following event... make sense? |
yup! :)
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Event 2 - Long Jump - 1st Attempts
Babson - Brian takes off down the runway...he's using that same acceleration that won the 100 meters...but as he approaches the board he chops his steps, loses his speed and only jumps 21' 3". Not a good result at all for Babson. Ginsberg - Ginsberg starts off and he begins to pick up speed...he has a nice take off...and lands in the pit at 23' 1" A solid first attempt, but a ton of better results still available on the card. Nielsen - The Dane starts his approach...he stomps on the board and launches himself high and out...clearly putting everything he has into this attempt. He lands in the pit and screems some sort of war cry. His entourage is...........sorry where was I...oh yeah, he's pumped by his jump, but when he looks back the white flag is up. His toe was over the line...Foul McCloud - McCloud, clearly distracted by the antics of Nielsen...never seems to hit his stride and ends up walking through the jump attempt as his steps were way off - Foul Llyw - Llyw take a nice focused approach in his attempt and he is rewarded with a jump of 24' 2". I count 6 better results in the average column, 5 of which are in the teens and the 6th is on 21. In the all out column, there are also 6 better results...again most in the teens, but also on 22 and 29. Rambis - Rambis doesn't get a good take off and only manages to go 20' 9". While Rambis might not be great in this event, this isn't a good result even for him Justice - Speeds down the runway...hits the block, but the white flag is raised...Foul. Bafou - This should be interesting...Bafou has good speed, but it doesn't translate to good jumping...there is something wrong in his technique. He speeds down the runway, hits the block, it a clean jump, and an ugly one. Arms and legs are flapping around but not in a streamlined, classic approach, rather it is almost like flailing...he lands and is measured at 20' 6". Like Rambis, Bafou isn't good at this event, but this is still a poor result McGillicuddy - Fails to take advantage of the overall poor performance by the preceeding competitors as his toe is over the tip of the board - Foul Ashkayev - Steps are off and he is half a foot over the board on take off. He knew it so he pulled up on the jump rather than extend himself and risk injury - Foul Gunderson - looks ok on this jump and gets a good score to build on - 22' 9". As you can tell from the write up above, this isn't really a great result. When the low in the average column is 22' 3" and this is only 6" longer, that should indicate there are more points available Gonzalez - Runs down on his approach. He hit the board cleanly and perfectly and he launches himself into the pit. For someone that isn't supposed to be strong in this event it appears he has posted a good result here. The officials measure the the jump distance is announced at 23' 7". Looking at the average column there appear to be only 3 better results and they are on 12 (low probability), 25 (decent probability but the result is 23' 8", and 29 (decent probability). The max on the column appears to be 24' on the 29. In the all out column there are 3 results better. A couple of good jumps on 10 and 11 and a 24' 6" on 22 |
Event 2 - Long Jump - Leaderboard
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Nice work guys...I need you to declare how you want to do the second jump. I have some that were given previously, and if I don't hear from you I'll use those, but sometimes knowing where you stand may make a big difference in your approach, so I'll give you chance to change your instructions...
I also attempted to give the players that had a successful attempt a sense of where they stand compared to their card (or if we were in real life, an idea of how you should feel based on your history and practice)...if you want more information, let me know... |
McCloud - Normal....sheesh. *grumblegrumblegrumblestupiddice*
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Again. |
With a good jump under my belt, I'll put the pedal to the medal and go all out on this one.
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Average this time.
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Gunderson is All Out again. The Viking can do better than that.
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Rambis average again.
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Gonzalez will pass on round 2 if he can still be eligible for a round 3 jump.
If that is not how it works, he'll go all out round 2 |
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You can pass in round 2 and jump in round 3...not an issue... |
Ashkayev to go safe in jump 2
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Got quite a few quick responses...just waiting on 4 more...
Ginsberg McGillicuddy Justice Bafou ...will be able to post results shortly after everyone reports in... |
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Yes, yes you are... |
Normal for Bafou.
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David Ginsberg will go with an average again.
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Frank Justice - Average
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Normal
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Event 2 - Long Jump - 2nd Attempts
Babson - Babson looking to improve on his first jump appears to be approaching this one in much the same way...get his speed up...but like last time he chops his steps again to make sure he gets a clean jump. This time his chopping isn't quite as bad but he jumped a bit earlier costing him some distance. This jump is better though as he lands at 23' 4". Babson has a difficult decision now. The 23' 4" result, while not bad, clearly doesn't maximize his potential in this event. In fact, when looking at the normal column, there only appear to be 5 jumps that are worse...the rest are better and some significantly better. However, Babson also has to think about conserving energy because stamina can become a problem for him. So the question here is...do you try to maximize an event you are strong in, or save energy for one you aren't Ginsberg - Ginsberg again has a nice takeoff...his form looks good and jump seems to be a bit better. After the official measurement he has improved, Jump is recorded as 23' 7". I count 9 better results in the average column, and 6 in the allout column (though the ones in allout are typically on lower probability rolls) Nielsen - It is obvious from the moment Nielsen takes off down the runway that this will be a more controlled attempt. Unfortunately it doesn't help as the toe is again over the board, word is this focused warrior is considering cutting the toe off before the next attempt so it doesn't happen again...Foul.Tough decision here...Nielsen is one of the best in this event, but he comes into his final jump with no score. A conservative jump will insure he gets points, but unless he gets a lucky roll he'll most likely get around a 22' result which would only put him middle of the pack in the at best. If he goes normal he could still win the event, but he risks walking away with no score in the event (think Dan O'Brien in the Pole Vault of the US Olympic Trials), and if he goes all out he's very likely to not score at all seeing as how almost 60% of results in that column are a foul McCloud - McCloud, In his second attempt McCloud doesn't appear to change anything...he launches himself into the pit...lands and quickly looks back at the official...no flag raised the jump is clean, but it isn't good - 21' 10" Another top performer in the event that is struggling badly...a 21'10", regardless of what happens with everyone else is going to be bottom of the standings if the last jump doesn't improve. Llyw - Llyw clearly pleased with his first result, Llyw has picked up the effort on the second jump and he has launched himself deep into the pit...this a big jump and clearly longer than the first. The length is reported as 25' 3". I don't see a better result on the card...it appears Llyw has maxed out. Rambis - Rambis' first attempt was poor, and he's hoping to improve on it this time around...he looks much better from launch to land and he records a better jump of [b]23' 5"[b]. I only count 3 better results in the Average column and 1 in the allout column Justice - Speeds down the runway...hits the block, but the white flag is raised - again. And Justice will join Nielsen as athletes with a big decision to make...FoulGot the same situation as Nielsen, only difference is that Justice isn't expected to be at the top of the standing, but rather in the middle, so a poor 3rd attempt won't impact his overall score as dramatically as it would for Nielsen . Bafou - Still a very ugly looking jump, but this one ends in a much better result...22' 7". 6 better results in average, 5 in allout...better odds on average, some bigger results in allout McGillicuddy - Sticking with his guns and feeling that his first fault was an aberation, McGilly goes again with his same solid approach. Not looking to over extend, but not willing to baby the jump, he hits the board perfectly and launches himself...his jump is measured at 24'This is a pretty good jump and a nice score to build on (if you plan to jump again)...but you have 14 better results in the average column and 7 in the allout Ashkayev - Trying to make sure he gets a score, Ashkayev goes much more conservative and is even looking at the board when he launches rather than keeping his head up. He gets a score, but he probably won't like it...20' 11".About half the results in the conservative column are better, almost everything in the average is better and the allout is mostly better... Gunderson - Gunderson continues to go hard in this event, and this time he is overly aggressive and misses the launch point - Foul. Still most results on the card in the average column are better than his current score, and there are better results in the allout column too (Shoot, there are better results in the safe jump column) Gonzalez - Elected to pass his second jump... |
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