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The Ultimate Two-Hit Wonder
With all the information available, we ought to be able to chart this out. We'll make it something of a contest -- come up with a singer/band/act who best fits the criteria as a "two hit wonder."
Here's how we'll score it: For each song, the score is: (11 - top US chart position with a maximum value of 11 for chart position) squared (edit: chart position means the main chart, not some subsidiary specialty chart, forgive me if I fail to get terms perfect) PLUS number of other countries where the song hit #1 (for our purposes, you're going to need the top three scores from your artist) For each entry, its score equals: Score for top-scoring song PLUS 2X score for second top-scoring song PLUS 4x differential in years of release of above songs MINUS 10x score for third top-scoring song (edit: zero points minimum here, no negative values) MINUS (edited in after comments: 101- top US charting position for the third top-scoring song... >100 or no single = zero points here) Post your nominations and scores in this thread. Have at it. |
FWIW, I have a strong candidate for the eventual winner in mind, but have not done any research or confirm/deny yet.
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Which US chart are we going off of? Even Billboard has had several different ones over the years.
Also, for the 3rd song, if it is outside the top ten, then it will be a negative number and thus increase the total score? |
Lemme see if I got this.
My entry: Crowded House Top Song: Don't Dream It's Over (1986) US Top Charting: #2 Other Countries reached #1: 2 Score: ((11-2)*(11-2)) + 2 = 83 Second Song: Something So Strong (1986) US Top Charting: #7 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-7)*(11-7)) + 0 = 16 Third Song: World Where You Live (1986) US Top Charting: #65 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score ((11-65) * (11-65)) + 0 = 2916 Band total: 83 + (2 * 16) + (4 * 0) - (10*2916) Total: -29045 |
Okay, since there's a band I always think of immediately when I hear the phrase "two-hit wonder", I'll put this out here as a way of testing this out. I can be the bad example that gets corrected to help everybody else do it right ;)
edit on the fly ... I think I see a problem here, or else I'm reading the instructions wrong. Here are the chart positions for the three songs #10, #13, #76 The subtract from 11 & then square part of the formula (as I'm reading it) punishes them, especially for the gap on the 3rd song (but that should actually help) Orrrrrr ... maybe I'm reading this wrong, and confusing "top scoring" with "top charting" Let's see what happens. 11-76 = (-65) squared = 4,225 11-13 = (-2) squared = 4 11-10 = 1 squared = 1 So, absent the int'l number ones, the base score here is 4,775 + 8 (2*4) - 10 (aka 1*10) = 4,781 ??? edit to add: I see Cartman went with my first interpretation of this (instead of the one I showed) ... obviously one of us is confused |
Fucking dorks.
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Is there any clarification for side projects, one offs, and cougar/cougar mellancamp/mellancamp scenarios?
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There's my choice... Crap |
I'm thinking cartman might have it right, because the 3rd song (the non-hit) will always be the "top scoring" song and I don't really see the point in measuring the years between one of the hits and the non-hit. I'm only guessing, but I think doing that would be for the purpose of giving a band extra points for having their 2 hits separated by several or more years.
Maybe I've got it wrong, but it seems to me that the points total will be decided entirely by the non-hit. Doing it the way Jon or cartman did it gives a total that's only a few points off from the non-hit's score. Also, it would depend on what you consider the "ultimate two-hit wonder". When I first read it, I thought of a band that has had two mega-hits, but then barely reached the charts otherwise. But it could also mean a band that has had two mega-hits, and barely just missed out on their 3rd best song also being considered a hit. (IOW, the best charting two-hit wonder that just oh so barely missed out on being considered a great band overall.) But then again, I just woke up and haven't had my coffee yet. My brain hasn't finished fully booting up yet. I think I'm missing something. |
My immediate thought was Spin Doctors (#7, #17, #42). I thought their two hits did better, and I never heard of the 3rd song and was surprised they charted that high with it.
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Also, what countries are considered legitimate to contend for #1? Wiki only lists 5, for example.
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I suspect Crowded House is a better example than the one I had in mind -- Golden Earring -- but I'm still curious to see how this was actually supposed to be scored.
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Naked Eyes was the band I thought of initially (Always Something There To Remind Me and Promises, Promises) but it turns out they had two other songs that touched Top 40 in the US so there must be better candidates out there.
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But man those two songs are something! That was who first came into my mind as well. |
Bonnie Tyler
1983 Total Eclipse of the Heart(#1 in US) and 8 other countries. 108 1977 Bonnie Tyler "It's a Heartache"(#3 in us and #1 in 8 countries) 2*56=112 Plus 4*6 year differential=24 Holding out for a Hero #34 in US---obviously this isn't going to beat Cartman's #60 something, but I feel like she had 2 massive hits and not much else so I think the scoring is probably off. |
I found a more extreme example than Crowded House.
Entry #2: Suzanne Vega Top Song: Luka (1987) US Top Charting: #3 Other Countries reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-3)*(11-3)) + 0 = 64 Second Song: Tom's Diner (1990) US Top Charting: #5 Other Countries Reached #1: 3 Score: ((11-5)*(11-5)) + 3 = 39 Third Song: Solitude Standing (1987) US Top Charting: #94 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score ((11-94) * (11-94)) + 0 = 6889 Total: 64 + (2 * 39) + (4 * 3) - (10*6889) Total: -68736 |
Scoring system seems a little broken, but how about Tone Loc? Singles charted 2, 3, and 80.
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I'm calling DNA featuring Susan Vega shenanigans on Cartman :)
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Suzanne Vega seems more like a real 2 hit wonder to me than Crowded House, probably because Crowded House were a reasonably successful band in the UK for about 10 years. They have had enough radio play here that I know the lyrics to at least two other Crowded House songs, and I am not even a fan. |
Wang Chung jumped into my mind, but they apparently had another decent hit (besides Dance Hall Days and Everybody Have Fun Tonight) called "Let's Go."
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Surprisingly U2 only had 2 #1: with or without and still haven't found
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What about The Knack? My Sharona (no. 1), Good Girls Don't (no. 11)
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Wow, everyone did the same google search. I was trying to dig and see if Madness has another song besides Our House that charted here. They would seem to be a good candidate.
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If not for the year differential bonus, Vanilla Ice would be a strong contender. "Ice Ice Baby" was a #1 in several countries and "Play That Funky Music" hit #4 in the US and was top 20 worldwide. Next highest was #52.
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Sorry for the scoring horrors erupting in my brief absence.
My thinking: -the main billboard chart, not looking for country/adult contemporary/whatever -no negative scores, which would pretty obviously upend the whole system -I think in the interests of making this more interesting, I will (with my apologies) alter the scoring for the #3 song to try to separate out the #80 charting song versus the #15, which the initial system does not do. Will adjust above, sorry for the headfake. |
One more calculation added -- points for the worst showing of single #3, we'll subtract 1 point for every notch below 100.
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So, for Crowded House:
Top Song: Don't Dream It's Over (1986) US Top Charting: #2 Other Countries reached #1: 2 Score: ((11-2)*(11-2)) + 2 = 83 Second Song: Something So Strong (1986) US Top Charting: #7 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-7)*(11-7)) + 0 = 16 Third Song: World Where You Live (1986) US Top Charting: #65 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score = 0 Band total: 83 + (2 * 16) + (4 * 0) - 0 - 35 Total: 80 |
Entry #2: Suzanne Vega
Top Song: Luka (1987) US Top Charting: #3 Other Countries reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-3)*(11-3)) + 0 = 64 Second Song: Tom's Diner (1990) US Top Charting: #5 Other Countries Reached #1: 3 Score: ((11-5)*(11-5)) + 3 = 39 Third Song: Solitude Standing (1987) US Top Charting: #94 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score 0 Total: 64 + (2 * 39) + (4 * 3) - 0 - 6 Total: 148 |
My entry is not going to win, due to a third song that I have no recollection of:
IRENE CARA #1 What A Feeling 1983 #1 US + 2 more that I find = 102 #2 Fame = 1980 #4 US + 2 more than I can find = 38 #3 Breakdance = #8 US + no more= 4 102 + 76 + 3 years - 40 - 96 = 45 too bad, so sad |
So if I'm reading things correctly here, Golden Earring basically breaks the scoring system because their two hits weren't higher than #10. Right?
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Asia?
Heat of the Moment/Only Time Will Tell Damn Yankees: High Enough/Don't Tread on Me |
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Well, not really breaks. Just doesn't get you any useful points. I tried rewriting again...no, we don't want some asshat artist with two trivial songs that charted 98 and 99 to break the bank here, so I rewrote again to try to eliminate that... the chart position is 1 to 10 yielding points, or 11+ yielding a zero. And yes, this system does fail a song like "Radar Love" that seems to have clicked and stuck beyond its chart position. |
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Don't Cry screws them up for this, it hit #10 and sits in between your #4 and #17. Quote:
HE hit #3 while DTOM didn't crack the top 100. '92 Where You Goin Now was a #20 though, with Come Again their third biggest main chart hit at #50. On the other hand, they've got too many hits if you looked at the rock chart, with a total of 7 top 10 songs. |
Another thought at a scoring system with just three simple rules:
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I thought Meatloaf would have been a contender but just one too many big songs.
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This was who I thought of immediately. |
Glenn Frey has a 2, 2, 15 set (no foreign #1s, 1 year split) = 77
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Vanilla Ice?
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Someone else can grade 'em because I don't understand the grading system, but here's a couple that came to mind:
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MC Hammer?
2 legit to quit and Hammertime? |
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That's the way I am. Grading system is too in flux... Ugly Kid Joe had a 6, 9, and never charted again |
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Nah, you forgot "Have You Seen Her" and "Pray." |
My first thought was Men Without Hats (other than a group mentioned the other day which might have been the inspiration for this question). Pop Goes the World didn't get high enough though.
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Paula Cole with Where have all the Cowboys Gone (#8), I Don't Want to Wait (#11) and her third song Me (#35) ends up with a negative score. Tone Loc Top Song: Wild Thing (1988) US Top Charting: #2 Other Countries reached #1: 1 (NZ) Score: ((11-2)*(11-2)) + 1 = 82 Second Song: Funky Cold Medina (1989) US Top Charting: #3 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-3)*(11-3)) + 0 = 64 Third Song: All Through the Night (1991) US Top Charting: #80 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: 0 Total: 82 + (2 * 64) + (4 * 1) - 0 - 21 Total: 193 A Taste of Honey Top Song: Boogie Oogie Oogie (1978) US Top Charting: #1 Other Countries reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-1)*(11-1)) + 0 = 100 Second Song: Sukiyaki (1981) US Top Charting: #3 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-3)*(11-3)) + 0 = 64 Third Song: I'll Try Something New (1982) US Top Charting: #41 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: 0 Total: 82 + (2 * 64) + (4 * 3) - 0 - 60 Total: 180 My nomination, The Byrds Top Song: Mr. Tambourine Man (1965) US Top Charting: #1 Other Countries reached #1: 1 (UK) Score: ((11-1)*(11-1)) + 1 = 101 Second Song: Turn! Turn! Turn! (1965) US Top Charting: #1 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: ((11-1)*(11-1)) + 0 = 100 Third Song: Eight Miles High (1966) US Top Charting: #14 Other Countries Reached #1: 0 Score: 0 Total: 101 + (2 * 100) + (4 * 0) - 0 - 87 Total: 214 Wouldn't really consider them a two hit wonder myself, but having that second #1 and no other top 10 (in the US, at least) songs seems to break this formula. |
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You take it back! No dissing Bonnie Tyler! Holding out for a Hero from Footloose, Have you Ever Seen the Rain?, Straight from the Heart (Bryan Adams cover), Faster than the Speed of Night, plus some other really good sleepers. Sigh, not enough love for her, although she was apparently much more popular in Europe. For those that watched The Voice this past season, I think Juliet Sims is a Bonnie Tyler clone... |
Like others, not really sure on the scoring system, but throwing one out. No idea how high the two "hits" ever ranked, but Matthew Sweet with Girlfriend and Sick of Myself.
Problem is there may not be any other singles that even reached the charts. |
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Girlfriend never broke the top 100 (although it was a top 10 Rock chart track) Sick got to #58 We're the Same was #113 Matthew Sweet Songs (Top Songs / Chart Singles Discography) ••• Music VF, US & UK hits charts |
Doesn't quite fit the formula, but Everlast if you include his solo career and his time with House of Pain under the same banner.
Jump Around was #3, What it's Like was #13 and the next highest song he had was Shamrocks and Shenanigans at 65. |
I'm thinking Mr. Mister oughta be in here.
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10cc 1975 - I'm Not in Love #2 1977 - The Things We Do for Love # 5 1977 - People in Love #40 (Although technically, in 1970 under the name "Hotlegs" they had a #22 song in Neanderthal Man.) My match sucks + it won't win anyway... |
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Golden Earring was the first band I thought of. |
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Right around that same time, Level 42 and The Outfield. But yeah, Broken Wings and Kyrie were both top 10 singles I believe and then.....nothing. |
and the second one I thought of is Corey Hart
1984 Sunglasses at Night. #7 in the US 1985 Never Surrender. #3 in the US (and #1 in Canada) #3 song is It Ain't Enough (17th in 1984) I'll leave the math to someone else |
According to Wiki, Mister Mister had 3 top 10 singles. So there goes that. I'll be damned if I could tell you what the 3rd one was.
Edit: Just checked and watched the video for the 3rd song on YouTube. Is It Love was the title and the video brought back some vague memories of seeing it but I certainly didn't think it was a top 10 song. Someone start a new thread for Three Hit Wonders. 3 Releases off of one album, all top 10, and then literally nothing else. |
Yeah, the scoring is a bit much on the cranium at this time but here's a couple that came to mind.
Dire Straits was the first to come to mind but they had 3 big hits. So doubt they'd even rank here. Bad English [1989] When I see you Smile #1 [1989] Price of Love #5 [1990] Possession #21 Deep Purple [1968] Hush #4 [1973] Smoke on the Water #4 [1968] Kentucky Woman #38 |
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I think this is their score based on the rules... Cat's in the Cradle #6 (1993) -- score of 25 Everything About You #9 (1992) -- score of 4 25 + 2*4 + 4*1 = 37 Song #3 (take your pick) -- score of 201 since nothing else ever charted Final score 238 |
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Two songs in the top 100 with nothing else. Lowest score based on combined chart position. One could tweak the number for top ranking to top 40, or whatever, but it still is really straight forward to calculate. |
I've always liked Talk Talk
It's My Life (1984) (superior version to Gwen Stefani's copy) #31 11 - 31 = 0 + 0 = 0 Talk Talk (1982) - #75 #1 in South Africa 0 + 1 = 1 Such a Shame - #89 #1 Swiss = 1 1 1 0 1 + 2*1 + 2*2 + 10*0 -12 = 7 - 12 = -5 what's interesting with this group is their highest ranking song did not have their highest score as the other songs scored #1 in other countries and it did not. |
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If all three songs have to be in the top 100... Skid Row had: 18 and Life (1989) -- #4 I Remember You (1989) -- #6 Wasted Time (1991) -- #88 (Youth Gone Wild was #99) |
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Except for that pesky #8 hit, "Is It Love". |
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awesome choice that would be: "Twilight Zone" (1982) - #10 + #1 in Dutch 11-10 = 1 * 1 = 1 + 1 = 2 "Radar Love" (1973) - #13 + #1 in Germany and Spain 11-13 = 0 * 0 = 0 + 2 = 2 "When The Lady Smiles" (1984) - #76 + #1 Dutch 11-76 = 0 + 1 = 1 2 + 2*2 + 4*9 - 10*1 - 101-76 = 2+4+36-10-25 = 7 Damn Dutch... :) The years between Rdar Love and Twilight Zone is probably the most we'll see really. |
Thomas Dolby
She's Blinded Me With Science (1982) - #5 - #1 Canada 11-5 = 6 *6 = 36 + 1 = 37 Hyperactive (1984) - #62 11-62 = 0 Europa and the Pirate Twins (1983) - #67 11-67 = 0 37 + 2*0 + 4*2 - 0 - (101-67) 37 + 0 + 8 - 34 = 11 |
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So you've never heard of a little ditty called "Can't Touch This" ? :eek: |
I'd offer up Power Station, but neither Some Like it Hot (6) nor Bang a Gong (Get it On) (9) reached the top 5. Communication (which I can't even remember) also too high at #34. They have virtually nothing else.
edit: Rose Royce not so bad - 1 for Car Wash, 10 for I Wanna Get Next To You, next highest is 39. |
If a butterfly flaps its wings in Brazil, then a message board brings up Crowded House, and a band member then dies, does this prove Chaos Theory?
Crowded House drummer Peter Jones has died of brain cancer |
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Power Station 11-6 = 5 -> 25 11-9 = 2 -> 4 0 25 + 2*4 + 0 - 0 - 101-34 = 25 + 8 - 67 = -35 ouch... Rose Royce 11-1 = 10 + 1 -> 121 11-10 = 1 -> 1 0 (32) 121 + 2*1 + 1 - 0 - 69 = 124 - 69 = 53... really good score actually |
Grateful Dead
"Touch of Grey" (1987) - #9 = 2 "Truckin" (1970) - #64 = 0 "Alabama Gateway" (1980) - #68 = 0 2 + 0 + 4*17 - 0 - 33 = 2+68-33 = 37 These longstanding no-hit groups may have something :) |
Fine Young Cannibals
She Drives Me Crazy (1989) #1 = 100 + 1 (AUS) Good Thing (1909) #1 = 100 Don't Look Back #11 = 0 101 + 100*2 + 4*0 - 10*0 - 101-11 101 + 200 - 0 - 90 = 211 |
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You'd think but after their 2 number ones, they had a #8 |
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which reminds me...how about RIck James :D You and I (78) - #13 Superfreak (81) - #16 17 (84) - #36 0 + 0 + 12 - 0 - 64 = -52 I'm Rick James, BITCH! |
Someone with math skills do Vanilla Ice. :)
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My fingers refuse :) |
Progrock time!
Yes Owner Of A Lonely Heart (83) - 1 (1)= 101 Roundabout (71) - 13 = 0 Leave It (83) - 24 = 0 101 + 0 + 48 - 0 - 77 = 82! Rush New World Man (82) #21 (1)= 0+1 = 1 The Trees (78) #44 =0 Tom Sawyer (81) #44 =0 1 + 0 + 16 - 0 - 57 = -40 proving that if you sell out, you can do well on this chart :) |
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Dreadlock Holiday didn't chart? |
A Taste of Honey
Boogie Oogie Oogie 1978 #1 Sukiyaki 1981 #3 I'll Try Something New #41 100 + 2*64=128 + 4*3=12 - 0 - 101-41=70 = 170 Whitesnake Here I Go Again 1987 #1 Is This Love 1987 #2 The Deeper the Love #28 100 + 2*81=162 + 4*0=0 - 10*0=0 - 101-28=73 = 189 Bonnie Tyler Total Eclipse of the Heart #1 1983 (#1 in 3 countries) It's a Heartache #3 1977 (#1 in 3 countries) Holding Out for a Hero #34 103 + 2*67 = 134 + 4*6=24 - 10*0=0 - 101-34=67 = 194 |
King Crimson
In the Court of the Crimson King(69) #80 = 0 0 + 0 + 0 - 0 - 0 = 0 :D |
Deniece Williams
Too Much, Too Little, Too Late #1 1978 Let's Hear it For the Boy #1 1984 (1 other country) It's Gonna take a Miracle #10 101 + 2*100 = 200 + 4*6 = 24 - 10*1 = 10 - 101-10 = 91 = 224 |
#1 on other US charts counts? huh. I didn't realize that!
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Another scoring method might be to take points from Music VF, US & UK hits charts ••• Top Songs, Albums and Artists ; positive for the first two, negative for all following. I mean, a band like Yes may not have charted well on the overall charts, but had 3 #1s on the US Rock chart, and a ton of songs altogether.
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yeah Rush only charted well on rock charts too. Then there's the R&B and Dance and SOul charts for others groups... so many charts... |
Neil Young could've been a contender here, but he had 2 hits in 72 before laying low chartwise until 93
apparently, Animotion had a 2nd hit song, which is completely news to me. so you have Obession at #6 in 84 and Room to Move at #9 in 89. |
oh yeah I remember Room to Move! :)
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Terence Trent D'Arby with "Sign Your Name" and "Wishing Well."
Tracy Chapman with "Fast Car" and "Give Me One Reason." Will to Power with "Baby, I Love Your Way" and "I'm Not in Love." Simply Red with "Holding Back the Years" and "If You Don't Know Me By Now." ...and, this could be the winner: Sisquo with "The Thong Song" and "Incomplete." :) |
beaten to the punch. disregard.
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Simply Red looks like a winner... If You Dont Know Me By Now #1 1989 (3 other countries) Holding Back the Years #1 1986 (1 other country) Something Got Me Started #23 103 + 2*101 = 202 + 4*3=12 - 10*0=0 - 101-23=78 = 239 |
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ugh that guy makes me vomit... |
Pet Shop Boys
West End Girls 84 #1 (2) 102 What have I done to desrve this 87 #2 (1) 82 Always on my mind 87 #4 (5) 53 102 + 164 + 12 - 530 - 48 = 276 - 578 = -302 The Escape Club (88) Wild Wild West 1 = 100 (91) I'll Be There 8 = 9 (88) Shake for the Sheik 28 = 0 100+18+12-0-73 = 130-73= 57 Thompson Twins Hold Me Now 83 #3 (1) Lay YOur Hands On Me 84 #6 (0) King for a Day 85 #8 (0) 65 + 50 + 4 - 90 - 93 = 119 - 183 - -64 |
Madness
Our House 7 It Must Be Love 33 The Sun and the Rain 72 16 + 0 + 4 - 0 - 29 = -9 (sigh) Oingo Boingo Weird Science 45 Just Another Day 85 0+0+4-0-0 = 4 |
Rufus (Chaka Khan funk band)
74 Tell Me Something Good 3 (0) 75 Sweet Thing 5 (1) 75 Once You Get Started 10 (0) 64 + 74 + 4 - 10 - 91 = 142 - 101 = 41 Chaka Khan solo 84 I Feel for You 3 (3) 78 I'm Every Woman 21 (1) 81 Whatcha Gonna Do for Me 53 (1) 67 + 2 + 24 - 0 - 48 = 93 - 48 = 45 Close race! :) |
Forgive my foolish query, but how can this be about the "Ultimate" two-hit wonder when many of the nominees have the third song charting in the top 40 or 50?
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Felt pretty good about The Motels (Suddenly Last Summer, Only The Lonely)... but 9, 9, 21 look like pretty weak numbers for this.
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It's going to take two #1's to win, or a 1, 2, and a very very low 3rd song.
Even Extreme with a 1, 4, and 95 only comes to 192 pts. |
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Yeah, to me this is a big issue. I haven't looked at the math too closely, but i think artists should be getting heavily punished the farther up the chart song #3 goes. Exponentially so. |
The problem is the fact that airplay is factored heavily into the Billboard Hot 100. It's almost impossible to find a band that could have had 2 big hits that radio wouldn't then take a chance on repeatedly afterwards.
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Sublime are the first hunch of mine to only have 2 charting songs. 29, 43, and nothing else.
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The problem is more the wide gaps in the top few spots. I think the doubling of the 2nd song is too much. |
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Well I think Extreme is the best example with a #1, #4, and #95. And if we get rid of doubling the score for the 2nd song, then they have the highest score. |
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Yeah that looks about perfect to me. Two genuine hits, something that only cracked the charts because of follow-up airplay, then nothing. |
There are sure a lot of 3 hit wonders I can think of...
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Men at Work 1 1 3 6 28 and then nothing :)
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