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Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 04:23 PM

Alright Boyz, Here We Go!!! (Front Office Football 8 Thoughts)
 
Thread closed until 6:00pm.

Dutch 11-23-2016 05:02 PM

Downloading now... :D

MizzouRah 11-23-2016 05:02 PM

Bought... downloaded.. off to ref class. :(

wustin 11-23-2016 05:03 PM

Is the discount for FOF7 users automatically done at check out?

kcchief19 11-23-2016 05:04 PM

Purchse made. Won't get to drive it for about 90 minutes, but it will be ready!

Michael V. 11-23-2016 05:04 PM

Downloading and excited. :)

MizzouRah 11-23-2016 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wustin (Post 3131020)
Is the discount for FOF7 users automatically done at check out?


Yes.. but I think it's for everyone as I had FOF7 purchased through Jim's site not Steam.

pbot 11-23-2016 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wustin (Post 3131020)
Is the discount for FOF7 users automatically done at check out?


Seems to be.

Maynard 11-23-2016 05:05 PM

Bought and downloading! Woot!!!

Bye bye family!!!!

kcchief19 11-23-2016 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wustin (Post 3131020)
Is the discount for FOF7 users automatically done at check out?

Yes, if you have it on Steam the discount applies automatically. I was going to forego the discount but Steam wouldn't let me. ��

Senator 11-23-2016 05:06 PM

So long suckers - it's time to install the Veer.

SlyBelle1 11-23-2016 05:07 PM

Bought and downloaded

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 05:08 PM

Individual Stats and Team Summary on Monitor 1. Main game and Simulation Screen on Monitor 2. Team Roster on Monitor 3. All of them update when I sim a game. Can go straight to the roster and make active/inactive changes without closing the sim screen. Ah yeah.

Michael V. 11-23-2016 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3131030)
Individual Stats and Team Summary on Monitor 1. Main game and Simulation Screen on Monitor 2. Team Roster on Monitor 3. All of them update when I sim a game. Can go straight to the roster and make active/inactive changes without closing the sim screen. Ah yeah.



Now THAT is cool...

zullojer 11-23-2016 05:13 PM

installing now too. was looking for a way to zone out this weekend... nailed it

MrBug708 11-23-2016 05:17 PM

Cincy beat Minnesota in my first sim

Famous Jameis was MVP but wasn't first team all Pro or Offensive MVP, that was Aaron Rodgers
Cardel Jones was Offensive FOTY
Carlos Dunlap had 18.5 sacks and was DMVP
Dieon Jones was DROTY with 163 tackles
AP ran for 1964 yards, but only got into the endzone 8 times
Andy Dalton was second team All PRO at QB

wustin 11-23-2016 05:17 PM

Quote:

Instant history (or at least history created as quickly as your computer can run). At the press of a button, you can generate up to 50 seasons of "history" for your league, with the AI running every team.

Anyone know how to do this?

Sporkimata 11-23-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wustin (Post 3131040)
Anyone know how to do this?


Looks like you start a game than go under Archives.

TroyF 11-23-2016 05:20 PM

Just a reminder to new people who are loading this for the first time:

The XFactor at the start of every game has an impact. Two examples:

Started 1 career:

Paxton Lynch rated a 70 potential. Von Miller rated 70, Julius Peppers was rated superior to him.

Load up another, Paxton Lynch with 59 potential, Miller rated 75, Peppers rated much lower than him.

If it is critical to you that every player be as accurate as you think he should be, do not use xfactor and hire the best scouts. Without XFactor, Miller is the best pass rusher in the game. With it he will range from a good player to a great player.

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wustin (Post 3131040)
Anyone know how to do this?

Controls-->Archives-->Create History

(or hit F1 and type "history" ;))

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 05:21 PM

50 seasons will likely take your computer at least an hour to complete, so only do it if you wanna wait for that.

Senator 11-23-2016 05:21 PM

Dak and Zeke look about right!

pbot 11-23-2016 05:22 PM

nevermind

wustin 11-23-2016 05:23 PM

Well I decided to do it for 20 seasons...at least I'll get some of these cosmetic achievements done.

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbot (Post 3131048)
Not seeing the 50 year sim button anywhere...I see the standard sim entire season, etc.

F1...then type in "History"

sirotka33 11-23-2016 05:24 PM

I seem to be missing the button that shows depth chart, game plans, etc etc. Only have Roster, Trade, Simulation and Email windows across the top. How blind am I?

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirotka33 (Post 3131054)
I seem to be missing the button that shows depth chart, game plans, etc etc. Only have Roster, Trade, Simulation and Email windows across the top. How blind am I?

Game Day

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 05:26 PM

There is going to be some getting used to the new layout for sure. Things are in different spots than you're used to if you have played past iterations. I think its a better way to do it, but we're just so used to the old way that it feels foreign in the early stages.

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 05:27 PM

The interface will likely take a little getting used to. Few things are where they used to be. But it won't take long.

Caligari 11-23-2016 05:28 PM

Save data is in Local rather than Roaming now. As a result I can't tell whether DraftAnalyzer can load a draft successfully. :)

Senator 11-23-2016 05:31 PM

Auto update open windows when simmed is really great.

Going to coach a game now to see how it feels.

QuikSand 11-23-2016 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3131057)
The interface will likely take a little getting used to. Few things are where they used to be. But it won't take long.


+1

albionmoonlight 11-23-2016 05:32 PM

How's the draft look? Many changed there?

QuikSand 11-23-2016 05:32 PM

I know Steam has a setting to play games while offline... I don't want to have this game stall or fail to boot of my wifi goes down. Can anyone help me with that?

I'm not new to steam, but didn't really care about previous games.

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3131063)
I know Steam has a setting to play games while offline... I don't want to have this game stall or fail to boot of my wifi goes down. Can anyone help me with that?

I'm not new to steam, but didn't really care about previous games.


Open steam, go under the heading "Steam" and select "go offline".

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 3131058)
Save data is in Local rather than Roaming now. As a result I can't tell whether DraftAnalyzer can load a draft successfully. :)

It does. For now, you can just copy the leaguedata directory to your FOF7 tree.

pbot 11-23-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3131053)
F1...then type in "History"


Thanks.

I actually did try the help function first, but searched for quick sim...and then figured somebody here would have already figured it out.

aston217 11-23-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Rex is fine, Rex can make all your plays for you if you don't wanna do it. You can also rename the plays you create. You can also create half the plays and let Rex do the rest. There aren't any "cheeser" plays from what I have seen, because there is a way to defend everything. These plays are about using your personnel how you want to use them, that's all. If I have a guy who is great at getting downfield, now I can use him on slants and screens and things like that. I love that. If I have a guy who tears the top off a defense, I can send him on 9 routes a lot.

From the other thread...Julio, yeah, that sounds good in theory, but I wonder how it will play out. I'll be interested in hearing about it, for sure.

I mean, if I have a big play receiver, then I expect him to get used on deep routes. If I have a slot receiver, I expect him to get used in YAC type situations. I don't think I should have to dig into the minutiae to make sure that all this is being maximized. That seems like a chore. And in the MP environment especially, I'm skeptical that this won't lead to a large gap between those willing to work on 200 plays and those who just Rex it, as a result.

QuikSand 11-23-2016 05:39 PM

Wow, chemistry stuff is going to be whole lot tougher to manage than before. Moving the personality stuff off the front scree and requiring a click to see it doesn't seem like a big deal... but if you actively use this stuff, it's a really big deal.

Life goes on.

QuikSand 11-23-2016 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3131064)
Open steam, go under the heading "Steam" and select "go offline".


Many thanks. Sorry to see it's not a standing setting, but I'll live.

Senator 11-23-2016 05:42 PM

Damn that movie - rookie star is in concussion protocol for 7 weeks. Need to start my league in the 70's.

MrBug708 11-23-2016 05:45 PM

Got a notice about a QB controversy in Los Angeles, Fans want Goff!

wustin 11-23-2016 05:48 PM

Been about 30 minutes and still fast simming.

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aston217 (Post 3131068)
From the other thread...Julio, yeah, that sounds good in theory, but I wonder how it will play out. I'll be interested in hearing about it, for sure.

I mean, if I have a big play receiver, then I expect him to get used on deep routes. If I have a slot receiver, I expect him to get used in YAC type situations. I don't think I should have to dig into the minutiae to make sure that all this is being maximized. That seems like a chore. And in the MP environment especially, I'm skeptical that this won't lead to a large gap between those willing to work on 200 plays and those who just Rex it, as a result.


Rex can build a good playbook. Its actually fun to build plays though.. Kinda surprised you're not that into it, heh. As far as I can tell there is no exploitation involved though. Its all about how you plan for your opponent anyway, the playbook just gives you different options for attacking them.

Sporkimata 11-23-2016 05:50 PM

Is there a way to start the league in an alternate year?

Senator 11-23-2016 05:50 PM

I think I am going to enjoy the coaching experience. It is a different vibe than the quick simmer probably enjoys, but if it plays close to reality, very cool.

korme 11-23-2016 05:50 PM

Will the old draft files work with this? They should, right?

MrBug708 11-23-2016 05:51 PM

Doh...had a crash to desktop going to my second FA

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 05:54 PM

There will likely be a few bugs that still need to be ironed out, lots of new code in there. I imagine Jim will be on top of it if you can recreate or detail any crashes that happen.

korme 11-23-2016 05:55 PM

Already looking forward to custom and gimmicky playbooks just to see what we can create

SlyBelle1 11-23-2016 05:57 PM

On the play creation screen, there is an offensive style threshold which is a number like 15...what does that mean? Look in docs, but maybe I overlooked.

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlyBelle1 (Post 3131081)
On the play creation screen, there is an offensive style threshold which is a number like 15...what does that mean? Look in docs, but maybe I overlooked.

.
Quote:

Generate Plays - Takes the number of plays in the Plays to Generate field and adds them to the playbook. You can not have more than 200 plays in your playbook. The AI adds these plays keeping the Offensive Style Threshold. This threshold is a bonus (the default value is 15) given to plays that better fit your offensive coordinator's style of play.

QuikSand 11-23-2016 06:00 PM

First thing I LOVE -- hiring an OC, I see there's a "playbook limit" as one of his attributes. Great addition. He's also got a "style" which might mean lots of possible things... but I like the idea that certain coaches can handle more plays than others as a very intuitive way to select certain ones over others.

SlyBelle1 11-23-2016 06:01 PM

This game is a dream come true as a Steelers fan! Just started the season and immediately Cleveland offers me a trade (draft pick) for Landry Jones! I would have traded him for a bag of donuts. Jim really got this game right where Cleveland is being Cleveland making a trade like this:)

SlyBelle1 11-23-2016 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3131084)
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Thanks, missed it.

mtolson 11-23-2016 06:03 PM

I really like the ability to have multiple window open... BUT.... on a single monitor the inability to resize them is killing me. I am constantly moving windows all over the place to make stuff fit.

jetpunk2000 11-23-2016 06:05 PM

Saw some negative percentages in the playoff probability simulator when I change the number of simulations to 100000

cleancoder42 11-23-2016 06:06 PM

PSA - If you do the generate history, and navigate away from the game window, you will no longer be able to see it advance stages, and it will appear to be locked. However, it is still running behind the scenes and if you wait (how long depends on how many years you selected) it will eventually finish

QuikSand 11-23-2016 06:07 PM

I hired a new HC, he had a defensive preference listed (True 34). When I hired him as HC, that item remains on his player card, but it's in black... where the same rating for my DC remains in red. I presume it's now basically a latent preference. I wonder if the scheme of the DC simply defines the base defense for the team. (Forgive me if this is in the written docs that I have not had a chance to read yet)

MIJB#19 11-23-2016 06:08 PM

First day buyer for the first time. :D

garion333 11-23-2016 06:08 PM

Okay, where to report bugs?



I don't have any player windows open... Only window I have open is the Roster window.

Appears to happen if I use Escape to close windows instead of the "Close Window" button.

cankles 11-23-2016 06:08 PM

We'll see once I get more used to it, but my current impression is that the new interface requires more clicking and digging around to get to the things I need.

wustin 11-23-2016 06:09 PM

after 20 fast sim seasons

go texans


cankles 11-23-2016 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garion333 (Post 3131095)
Okay, where to report bugs?



I don't have any player windows open... Only window I have open is the Roster window.

Appears to happen if I use Escape to close windows instead of the "Close Window" button.


I was getting this too. I restarted the game. Guess I can't use the escape button anymore.

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garion333 (Post 3131095)
Okay, where to report bugs?



I don't have any player windows open... Only window I have open is the Roster window.

Appears to happen if I use Escape to close windows instead of the "Close Window" button.


I didn't know using escape to close windows was something you could even do.

Gallifrey 11-23-2016 06:10 PM

So with Steam you do not get the full download? You have to login and go offline mode to play?

Sporkimata 11-23-2016 06:11 PM

I can't seem to open the email in game. Anyone else having troubles with this?

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 06:11 PM

No, you can play with steam online or off. You get the full download.

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3131093)
I hired a new HC, he had a defensive preference listed (True 34). When I hired him as HC, that item remains on his player card, but it's in black... where the same rating for my DC remains in red. I presume it's now basically a latent preference. I wonder if the scheme of the DC simply defines the base defense for the team. (Forgive me if this is in the written docs that I have not had a chance to read yet)

Yes, the DC determines the base:
Quote:

Your team’s defensive front is tied to your defensive coordinator. Each staff member who specializes on defense runs one of the four defensive fronts available in Front Office Football. Hiring that staff member as defensive coordinator determines your front. That can’t otherwise be changed, so be careful when making staff changes.
I've read the philosophy documents (which..are....AWESOME,) but I don't recall if the HC gives a bonus to his side of the ball if it's a match. (That would be cool if so.)

garion333 11-23-2016 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aston217 (Post 3131068)
From the other thread...Julio, yeah, that sounds good in theory, but I wonder how it will play out. I'll be interested in hearing about it, for sure.

I mean, if I have a big play receiver, then I expect him to get used on deep routes. If I have a slot receiver, I expect him to get used in YAC type situations. I don't think I should have to dig into the minutiae to make sure that all this is being maximized. That seems like a chore. And in the MP environment especially, I'm skeptical that this won't lead to a large gap between those willing to work on 200 plays and those who just Rex it, as a result.


Dude, I mean, I share your fears, but maybe play the game a little before damning it. Chances are the differences in who takes the time to dig into things and who doesn't dig as hard will end up being much like mp leagues already are. Or mp will be completely broken and Jim will balance it.

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sporkimata (Post 3131101)
I can't seem to open the email in game. Anyone else having troubles with this?


Are you saying the button on top to open the email window isn't opening that window?

Sporkimata 11-23-2016 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3131105)
Are you saying the button on top to open the email window isn't opening that window?


Yeah. I keep hitting it and nothing happens. I have tried resetting and starting new games. I am going to delete than reupload it see if that helps.

Squirrel 11-23-2016 06:19 PM

First draft:

1.25 RDE 38/57
1.28 SLB 50/73 (the AI offered me a 1st round pick!)
2.26 WLB 34/64
3.25 RDE 29/70
4.26 QB 16/47
5.25 RT 19/41
6.26 WLB 20/53
7.25 WLB 32/53

EagleFan 11-23-2016 06:20 PM

Getting some windows that seem to cut off the bottom. It seems to be random though. Luckily I still have the top of the buttons to be able to use so it's more if a display quirk than a functional issue.

Gallifrey 11-23-2016 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3131102)
No, you can play with steam online or off. You get the full download.


Thanks

Senator 11-23-2016 06:22 PM

Achievement Unlocked!

Master Puppeteer.

albionmoonlight 11-23-2016 06:22 PM

Got a crash while simming 20 years of history.

Any place that the game would have stored the record of the crash with info to send to Jim?

EagleFan 11-23-2016 06:30 PM

"Use the game plan and depth chart menu options to plan your next game."

Where is this option?

Under Game Day I have:
Full Standings
Exhibition Standings
Schedules
Scouting Report
Players of the Week
Film Room
Solevision
Playoff Probabilities

I am assuming that is where it would be. Don't have a button at the top that would be it.

What am I overlooking?

Or can I not setup a plan for a preseason game?

korme 11-23-2016 06:31 PM

Game is broken, Titans beat Packers in first sim, please fix

cartman 11-23-2016 06:31 PM

How the AI?

Well, I'm about to find out. Purchased and installed.

Cole 11-23-2016 06:31 PM

Can anyone tell me if the game has more customization options - for example the ability to use cities in teams other than in America, adjustment to the number of teams in a league, or games in a season? Different rules? Renaming championship trophy, or anything else that enhances immersions for those that like to create their own custom setups?

garion333 11-23-2016 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cleancoder42 (Post 3131091)
PSA - If you do the generate history, and navigate away from the game window, you will no longer be able to see it advance stages, and it will appear to be locked. However, it is still running behind the scenes and if you wait (how long depends on how many years you selected) it will eventually finish


Fwiw, this happens in FOF7 when I sim a season. By game 12 or so it stops updating and I get the "Not Responding" thing on the window. Game never crashes, I just know I need to wait a few seconds until the game "comes back". I imagine simming 20 years or whatever could make it seem like the game is completely broken as it takes a while to come back.

MalcPow 11-23-2016 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3131120)
"Use the game plan and depth chart menu options to plan your next game."

Where is this option?

Under Game Day I have:
Full Standings
Exhibition Standings
Schedules
Scouting Report
Players of the Week
Film Room
Solevision
Playoff Probabilities

I am assuming that is where it would be. Don't have a button at the top that would be it.

What am I overlooking?

Or can I not setup a plan for a preseason game?


Game Day has two headings under it on the left side of the screen, mouse over the one that says Planning and you'll see the options you want.

EagleFan 11-23-2016 06:35 PM

Another issue. Getting the MP controls options under the controls menu in my SP game now. All options are grayed out so I can't do anything with them but I'm not getting the SP options now.

This is an issue as sometimes I want to change up if I am setting the depth charts and plans or letting the CPU do it (when when I want to just sim through seasons quickly).


Edit: Never mind, didn't know that the sub-headings also needed to be moused over.

korme 11-23-2016 06:35 PM

Can't seem to find the awards button.

korme 11-23-2016 06:37 PM

Oh, ok. Found it. Have to mouse over Awards in the almanac setting. Not sure if I like the mouseover thing, especially on the gameplanning page. Can't we just make it a longer list?

EagleFan 11-23-2016 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MalcPow (Post 3131127)
Game Day has two headings under it on the left side of the screen, mouse over the one that says Planning and you'll see the options you want.


Thank you. Didn't know I had to mouse over the sub headings.

Still getting used to the new UI. :)

MalcPow 11-23-2016 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3131131)
Thank you. Didn't know I had to mouse over the sub headings.

Still getting used to the new UI. :)


No doubt. Time to create some new muscle memory. :D

Ben E Lou 11-23-2016 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MalcPow (Post 3131133)
No doubt. Time to create some new muscle memory. :D

...and to stop reflexively closing the Team Roster screen when I'm done with it. :D

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 06:48 PM

I also felt this way at first, but I got used to the new UI fairly quickly and I think I'll like it even more once it is something I barely have to think about like FOF 7 was.

Dutch 11-23-2016 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3131135)
...and to stop reflexively closing the Team Roster screen when I'm done with it. :D


Ha! Yep. :)

Here's a good one. The Logs show all players on the field during the play!

jaygr 11-23-2016 07:03 PM

Is there any way to get new windows to open in the middle of the screen? They always open up in the far right and I have to drag them over.

Dutch 11-23-2016 07:03 PM

Anybody got a good guess or rationale why DTs are rated for M2M, Zone, and BnR?

Dutch 11-23-2016 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaygr (Post 3131139)
Is there any way to get new windows to open in the middle of the screen? They always open up in the far right and I have to drag them over.


Go to Controls --> Choose/Edit display options and their are choices on that screen.

jaygr 11-23-2016 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3131141)
Go to Controls --> Choose/Edit display options and their are choices on that screen.


Thanks!

Julio Riddols 11-23-2016 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3131140)
Anybody got a good guess or rationale why DTs are rated for M2M, Zone, and BnR?


Zone Blitz baby!

I think it actually has something to do with all members of the front 7 being interchangeable from a positional standpoint. It would be stupid, but you can move a DT to MLB and vice versa.

MrBug708 11-23-2016 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3131140)
Anybody got a good guess or rationale why DTs are rated for M2M, Zone, and BnR?


It makes it difficult to quick scout

SlyBelle1 11-23-2016 07:20 PM

Having a brain freeze....preseason, how do you setup to get a reasonable of rotation of players in the game. Right now, only my first 2 QBs playing, my starting RB/WR playing way longer than they should...is this all controlled in the background or is there something I can setup?

Dutch 11-23-2016 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols (Post 3131143)
Zone Blitz baby!

I think it actually has something to do with all members of the front 7 being interchangeable from a positional standpoint. It would be stupid, but you can move a DT to MLB and vice versa.


Makes sense. :)

cankles 11-23-2016 07:29 PM

Rex wants to fill my dime CB slots with linebackers.


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