Boomers vs Millennials
 

There is obviously a lot of "pent-up" anger from Millennials directed at their elders. Thought it would be more appropriate to have a separate thread vs the Democratic Primaries thread.

For a proposed definition

Generation - Wikipedia

Seeing baby boomers getting mad about "Ok, boomer" makes me laugh after hearing the disdain for millennials as being entitled, lazy, snowflakes the past few years.

I wonder if enough boomers have died in the last 4 years to make a noticeable difference in the outcome of the election.

Recently, one of my friends was talking with disdain and throwing the millennial stereotypes around about laziness and all that. Unfortunately, I had the task of informing him that by being born in 1983, he was in fact a millennial. Then it became a discussion of definition of the generations. I think I finally shut him up by saying that because we graduated high school in 2001, we came of age at the turn of the millennium. Therefore, we are millennials.

Now I’ve seen some things circling social media from my fellow early millennials about how we are the best millennials because we still played outside and other crap like that. A lot of selective memory. As if Nintendo and Sega didn’t exist.

I am what has been recently called an Xennial as I was born in 1980. As you will note in your definitions, Gen X apparently goes to 81 and Millennials go to early 80s, but some try to include 80 as Millennials.

I like how people are surprised that Millennials are pushing back after being blamed for the death of just about everything.

Indeed. The lack of awareness is stunning.

From a presentation I saw at a population conference, if the demographics of the electorate stays exactly the same as in 2016, the Dem candidate wins. So possibly yes.

As a late Xer [75] I identify much more with Millennials. Beside the fact that X gets squashed by these 2 behemoths, I feel like it's better to just throw in on that side, although, I did read an article where most Xers were Boomer supporters.

As a much more tech savvy person in my gen with much more Millennial leanings it just makes more sense. Besides, boomers never gave 2 fucks about Xers either.

Similar, I'm at the tail end of the Boomers and have always considered myself more Gen X.

Mid-ish(?) Gen Xer here (71) and I empathize and lean way more towards/with Millennial's and later generations than I do with the boomers.

Yup! Us in the gen X league pretty much tried to do everything our boomer parents did and got shafted. "Just get a bachelors or masters and you're set" and then just go, "Oops, guess you didn't try hard enough. Sorry you can only get a job at McDonald's with your degree".

This is me, down to the birth year and everything.

I do however wear being a GenX as a badge of honor. I think we are the last of an old guard that remembers how things were before technology gave us all we need at our fingers. Boomes dont really get technology, ease of info, etc...and Millennials don't really get how people lived without these things. Our generation straddles those worlds. Life without cell phones, cable, newspapers being primary source of info, listening to the radio with your hand on the record button to tape a song, actually watching a TV show when it came on or you missed it, etc...Lots of struggles Millennials would never understand

Oh man, just the cell phones and if we had those in high school, I can only imagine all the trouble I would have gotten into and especially after I found out about the wonderful world of girls, haha! At least *old man voice* back in my day, if I didn't call my parents, it was a legit excuse that I didn't have any money for the pay phone. */old man voice*

I shudder when I think about the shit I would have done with a camera phone in high school.

It was a suspension level offense to have a pager in school when I was in high school. The reason given - they were for drug dealers.

Proper Gen X-er. Both sides deserve derision and mockery.

With Gen X far ahead, maybe I should re-label this as Boomers vs Gen X. Let's give it 2-3 more days to better understand our demographics

The big one for me was memorizing the codes to get the correct long distance provider, then memorizing my dad's credit card number (with expiration) so I could use it for those calls. You had to know what the beeps meant, what codes to use and if not, then how to make a collect call. My kids can't (or won't) memorize their times tables as adults.

Another xennial. Our microgeneration *really* got shafted in the labor market. Gen Xers gobbled up the high-paying jobs and then companies wanted the cheaper millennials for everything else. I remain very bitter about this.

My kids are Gen Z. I remember wife and me teaching them & testing their multiplication tables up to 12. I remember my mom doing the same for me.

No kidding! Was talking to my best friend (been my best friend since Jr High) and we were saying about how we could get away with stuff so much easier if we had cell phones just by sending a quick text to our friends to coordinate our alibis. There were pagers back then but they were expensive and only some of the rich kids and the kids that were dealing, had them.


Oh shoot, I don't remember that, but, we only had one area code so maybe that's why? Very few things that are as stressful as waiting to hear whether or not the collect call was accepted or not.

Boomers added life expectancy and refusal to retire, remain in power has really fucked everyone else. They just clog the pipeline. They were able to move up the chain faster with a greatly expanding economy, rode out the downturns with those positions and now, thanks to the last recession refuse to leave.

They cry about their SS after crying about paying for it. It's no secret that the trump tax cuts expire after all boomers have left the workforce, and why no congressional leadership will touch the reduction in benefits necessary to fix SS until everyone has gotten into it. The year 2030 will be landmark year and the cherry on top for all the ways the boomers fucked us.

Millenials being called responsible for the death of some company is a big pet peeve of mine. It smacks of corporate entitlement.

We didn't kill anything. You corporate assholes failed to tell why your products are worth buying.

Mine are the same, and in high school. They know them, but there completely suck at then. They simply don't use them enough, and were allowed calculators too long. They are blown away by how fast I can do mental math. My millennial, special needs son, who we were homeschooling when he learned, knows his better because I rode him constantly to learn them. The others didn't get that.

I really enjoyed an article that was like Millenials are responsible for the killing of Applebees, to which my response was.. GOOD!

I think not only entitlement but completely tone deaf too. I like to call it, 'Pulling a Tower Records'. Either adapt to the wants and needs of the newer generations or...go out of business.

They also fail to understand that no one wants to buy expensive crap that needs to be replaced within months.

Oh man, the cajun steak was great on a limited budget.

I don't remember reading about Millennials blamed for killing off companies but agree that its because the companies didn't change fast enough or didn't really have a worthy product(s).

Sears & Kmart comes to mind (but then Gen X probably "killed" off those companies).

Well it's headlines like these that I'm talking about

18 industries which are being killed by millennials | The Independent

It's ab article about the fall of casual dining, in favor of the variety of 'fast' casual.

Why is restaurant traffic falling? Blame millennials

I remember if we were out, at the movies or something, and it was time to get picked up we would collect call our parents. When the call went through and the operator was asking if they would accept it we would just yell over them "ready to be picked up!!" and hang up the phone.

Remember emergency breakthroughs before call waiting was the norm?

The wording is intended to get clicks but I'm not sure that the point is that we should have all banded together to make sure Kmart was OK (and you don't have to search far to find much meaner stuff said about old people as a group)

Every generation kills lots of stuff. We'd be living in stone ages otherwise.

The craziest thing to me about all this is just that old people used to be young and young people will eventually be old. You'd think there's be say, less racial tension if we all experienced life as each race at some point.

I guess it's just evolutionarily prudent to want to push out the old people, and of course the old people are going to resist that.

Haha! That's great! Never even thought about doing it that way. I do indeed remember the emergency breakthroughs! When I was in the air force, I did a TDY to Saudi Arabia, so I bought a at&t long distance card, but, I would call the closest base to whoever I was calling, call that base operator and ask to be connected to an off base line and then use the at&t number to cover the cost of that call but it would only be charged from where the base was to the person I was calling. The whole thing was like that episode of M*A*S*H* where Hawkeye was able to call the BBQ place back home and when he hung up, he remembered that he forgot to order the cole slaw.

I think this is a fairly accurate "Which generation am I" table:

The G.I. Generation – Greatest Generation
- Births from: 1900
- Births until: 1924
- Coming of age: 1918 - 1942

The Silent Generation – Lucky Few
- Births from: 1925
- Births until: 1945
- Coming of age: 1943 - 1963

The Baby Boom Generation – Baby Boomers
- Births from: 1946
- Births until: 1965
- Coming of age: 1964 - 1983

Generation X – Latchkey Kids
- Births from: 1966
- Births until: 1979
- Coming of age: 1984 - 1997

Generation Y – Millennials
- Births from: 1980
- Births until: 1994
- Coming of age: 1998 - 2012

Generation Z – Gen Next
- Births from: 1995
- Births until: 2016
- Coming of age: 2013 - 2034

G.I. Generation (1900-1924)
■ Also known as the Greatest Generation, includes the veterans who fought in World War II.
■ Lived through two World Wars, the Great Depression and many other advances.
■ They are conservative savers, hard-working , with a high sense of moral obligation, patriotism and respect for authority.
■ Two overlapping groups consistent with the Depression Era (born between 1912-1921) and the World War II cohort (born between 1920-1924 to fight in 1939-1945).
■ The parents of the Baby Boomers.

Silent Generation (1925-1945)
■ Born between the two World Wars, many of them who were too young to join the service in the World War II.
■ Also known as the “Post War Cohort” or the “Lucky Few”.
■ Lived through the post war economic boom but also through tensions and approaching wars.
■ Conservative, rational savers, hard-working, patriotic members that fight for security and stability.

Baby Boom Generation (1946-1965)
■ Born after the World War II, their parents belonging to the G.I. Generation.
■ A 14 year increase in birth rate worldwide.
■ Focused on the civil rights movement and cultural development.
■ Lived through the Vietnam War, MLK, the Kennedy assassination, the Nixon resignation.
■ They came of age in the ‘60s with the hippie movement, Woodstock and college rages.
■ Boomers I or The Baby Boomers (1946-1954) and Boomers 2 or the Jones Generation (1955-1965).
■ Many of the Baby boomers embraced a more conservative behavior and eventually gave birth to Generations X and Y.

Generation X (1966-1979)
■ Also known as the Gen X is the first generation to follow the Baby boomers.
■ This is also the first generation to be named and defined by marketers.
■ Many of its members are aware of their generational title.
■ Came of age in the '80s and '90s with the Reagan era, Challenger explosion, fall of Berlin Wall, Persian Gulf War, economic recession.
■ The all-knowing spoiled kids of the Baby Boomers yet with fewer ambitions and less driven to change the world.
■ The generation X kids are called the “latchkey” kids, exposed to daycare and family instability and this has probably shaped how they regard their family life and how the next generation, Y, is being educated. - The best educated with 29% obtaining a bachelor’s degree or higher (6% higher than the previous generation).

Generation Y (1980-1994)
■ Also known as the Echo Boomers or Millennials.
■ The demographic cohort of individuals, primarily children of the Baby boomers.
■ This generation grew up with many world-changing events including the rise of mass communication, technological advance.
■ All knowing as the former Gen X they have what it takes but are also willing to do something about it.
■ This generation benefits from all science advances and better education and has the ambition and desire to change the world.
■ They have been exposed and seen so much that are now immune to traditional ways from marketing to sociology.

Generation Z (1995- )
■ The term generically used to describe the cohort of people born around 2000.
■ Also known as iGeneration, Gen Tech, Gen Wii, Net Gen, Gen Next, Post Gen.
■ This is a generation living in a society where everything is possible and the main communication channel is the internet.
■ A volatile environment of terror threats, possible nuclear or biological attacks.
■ Family stability and moral values put aside, heightened sense of self.
■ Education is now focusing on developing practical skills and enriching creativity.

I just want to point out that there is an entire generation living now that hasn't seen the Lions win a playoff game.

One wonders how many generations will die off before another win is seen.

Isn't it time for a new generation? I guess they're here already, we just don't know enough about them yet to tell them what's collectively wrong with them.

Probably the final generation

The Pepsi Generation

At 1981 I'm squarely between Gen X and Millenial. I sympathize more and identify with Gen X much more than Millenials.

I'll echo some thoughts above - I am super glad that social media, pervasive cell phones, and MMO video games all came of age after I graduated college. That would have been a shitshow.

Its pretty clear to me now that it was never Boomers vs Millennials. Its really Boomers vs Gen X (or at least on this forum).

I'm no social scientist, but I suggest the "good luck, suckers!" Generation

I mean this is a bulletin board for a text based football sim. How many millennials do you really think would be here?

I think that was taken by the Boomers, Gen X or a subset of them. How about Pepsi One Generation?

EDIT: NVM, that would probably be Gen Z.

By the vitriol, I would have thought they were the majority. But instead a bunch of Gen X venting, using Millennials as their foil :)

Or how about the Crystal Pepsi Generation? It did make a comeback a couple of years ago :D

I saw a tweet last night talking about the yellow first down line was first seen on tv in 1998. There's an entire generation who don't know football prior to this.

Gen X here and I agree. I would have been in a lot of trouble had I had a cell phone camera in HS. Hell, when I was in the USAF(95-99), we had cell phone cameras a lot of us would have likely been kicked out of the military.

If only there was something that could attract them, like ... a beer tent

It also seems worth mentioning that the boomer generation spent the entirety of their youth actively promoting unprecedented ageism against their parents' generation, and then transitioned to complaining about gen X's attitudes in the 80s and 90s, before they set their sights on millennials.

Ok boomer :p

(in seriousness, those sort of comments about millennials is what birthed the ok boomer thing in the first place)

Who doesn't like a beer tent?

Of course I haven't played text based sports sims in almost a decade (yes, including FM)

What was the boomer saying back then...never trust anyone over 30 or something like that?

That was it!

The old hard drive still works! haha!

Watching some documentaries about the 60s and how the hippies seemed like some sincere people that wanted to change the world for the better but then you realize they are the same people bitching about millennials trying to change things for the better.

beer is one of the industries us millenials are killing dontcha know.

You kids with your damn white claw.

Yeah, for most of my life pop culture suggested that the boomer generation was characterized by Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda' in Easy Rider but history has suggested that maybe the hicks with the shotguns were the actual representatives of boomer culture.

Is that any good?

Actually really good. Problem is you can easily put away 10-12 of them before you realize you're smashed.

Ah yes, they've taken on the Zima and wine coolers role.

I think it's hilarious that the same people who are forever saying (correctly) how terrible it is to judge by the group are here and in the other thread having no issue whatsoever painting with that broad brush and throwing boomers, in their entirety, under the bus.

Which basically shows all that concern for the Other to be the pile of hogwash always was for most involved. In general it's about what it's always been about and always will be about - conflict between groups and while I salute those who try to treat everyone well and aspire to be one who does, the stone-throwing is about power for those we like and taking it away from those we don't.

And deserve every bit of the mockery that garbage got the first time around.

I'm actually torn on what I mock more often though, the White Claw crowd or the IPA crowd. Neither have any working taste buds.

Boomer, barely (1963) but I don't really relate to the stereotype of my generation at all. And though Millennial's are sometimes annoying in their zeal, I appreciate the fact that they are much more involved in their world at a young age than my generation was. As a while I think I relate much better to Gen X than any other which makes sense being on the cusp.

Most boomers aren't built like brick shithouses either

Bartles and James! Different when it came out but was never really a fan

I did this as well. "I'm at the school, come pick me up" as fast as you could possibly say it.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Maintaining that is a whole other story, as I get ready for another shoulder surgery LOL

Looked up the originator of the saying, he was not a Boomer but part of the Silent Generation.

Jack Weinberg - Wikipedia

That seems like a technicality to me. I would consider someone who spent the entirety of their 20s in the 60s a boomer. YMMV.

Ok Boomer

1940 vs 1946 so 6 years is a pretty big difference according to the wiki definition. If he was on the cusp/edge (like many of us have already stated we are) then sure. The phrase was coined by a Silent Generation guy as the Boomer generation was growing up.

I do agree it doesn't seem ageism carries the same weight as racism, sexism, homophobisms (?) etc.

My guess is many blame the older generations for the faults of today and therefore they deserve it. Obviously there is blame just like there was blame in all the previous generations, and just like there will be blame placed on the Millennials by Generation Z and the "Crystal Pepsi" Generation and on and on.

Late GenX'er actually, I don't have a dog in this specific fight.

Ok, Late GenX'er

There is some truth in that, but what is unique about the boomers is that they upset the population curve.

There are still more boomers than gen xers or millennials in the US even right now. As such they have held more cultural, economic and political influence than every other generation for the entirety of their lives, and two entire generations below them have essentially had their turns "in charge" skipped over due simply to the Boomers' collective size. The argument that they are especially to blame for all of today's faults is pretty strong.



As such, any cries about ageism from boomers sound kind of hollow, like wealthy white men who complain of reverse-racism. It's hard to muster up much sympathy when the group collectively holding the most power and money wants to cry discrimination.

Noting the size of Generation Z, and the fact that they just started to cross over into voting & buying age, I'd imagine we're going to start to see some significant shifts in the coming years.

By the numbers on your own chart, excluding Generation Z entirely, boomers account for less than a third of the electorate. Even less than that if you add in the first few years of Z. They also have nearly-identical numbers to Milennials. Nevermind that they have never been a majority of the country at any time. In other words, anything stupid they've done, they've had a lot of help doing from others. I find your conclusions unwarranted.

The even more fundamental point is that discrimination isn't wrong because the group being discriminated against has or doesn't have power/influence/etc. When it's wrong, it's wrong because discriminating in certain ways is wrong regardless of who it's done to. Period.

I'm a late X'er (77). I relate more to X'ers but feel sort of a small amount of impostor syndrome because the early-mid X'ers are the ones that truly got screwed in terms of jobs coming out of school, which tends to be a lot of what drove the angst and attitude that defines the generation.

For kids from about 75 on the economy was starting to pick up again as they came out of high-school/college and we ramped into the Dot-Com era. So while I definitely identify with the culture in terms of music and clothing and fully appreciate where the morals and attitudes of my generation come from I do feel like I sort of 'skipped over' the actual struggles.

Hah, the stuck in-between image that came to mind was Prince Charles, king in waiting, to get his inheritance (why won't she pass away!) and figuring out why his son married "her".

I know Charles obviously isn't Gen X but thought I would toss out that analogy for some levity. BTW, finished watching The Crown s3. Don't know how accurate Charles & Camilla's portrayal is in the series but I did feel a lot of sympathy for them.

I hope that William & Kate turn out well (looking good so far) and very much hope that Charlotte, George and Louis are allowed to pursue and marry who they really want to marry.

Same actually

I think you'd have the beginnings of a fair argument if we both agreed to entirely ignore the mountain of obvious evidence pointing at who has held & wielded that money, power & influence over the last 50 years.

As far as discrimination goes, I'd argue that Boomers aren't being discriminated against because of their age in any way. They aren't being judged as being inferior because they are old, nor have they ever been denied any kind of services or rights that other groups enjoy (quite the opposite, in fact). They are being judged negatively for deliberately and systematically hoarding power and resources at the cost of two entire generations. Trying to paint that as analogous to racism is a painfully long stretch.

Boomers swallowed the silent generation, much the same as the combination of Millennials will swallow X. Their rise to power began with the protests over being forced to go to war. This was after they had endured the grandeur and rise of the middle class in the post war, very prosperous 50's, and early 60's.



The revolts were their first attempt at taking power, and their sheer size coming to voting power did indeed drive the changes that we saw in the 60's regarding Civil Rights etc. They used power to create wealth for themselves in their "middle age" yuppie, greed 80's that saw the highest divorce rates, that they certainly didn't see.


Clinton became the poster child for everything Boomer as the first Boomer president. Aside from Obama (X) every president and a large portion of DC leadership are Boomers. They have effectively controlled the US, seeing that they are "taken care of" from every possible advantage that they could gift themselves. With the expansion of home ownership, they saw to it, that the interest on those loans was free from taxes (among other tax cuts or credits designed to help them along the way). They have effectively made sure that SS will last until 2030, where guess what, the last Boomer will turn 65! Shocker. The trump tax cuts expire when? 2030! Notice how any changes made these days technically 'grandfather' certain groups in?



Once they are out of power, all this debt, all this will be on every generation after them, and they won't care anymore. Having gone from having everything as kids, to having expanded everything in their favor all along the way, while taking from generations before and after (Pensions anyone?)

So no, I don't have a lot of respect for the leadership that helped to put that in place. It's why having 3, 70+ candidates at the front again just, plain, blows.

That's really not how that works, which makes it even more hilarious to me |(not with you specifically, but with all the memes and comments about how Gen X'ers are immune to that, when its entirely about attitude/state of mind and not age/generation).

Eh, the Silent Generation isn't totally innocent here, nor are they exactly out of the picture. Mitch McConnell is not a boomer. Bernie (he and McConnell are 2 of 15 senators from the SG) and Biden - not Boomers. Rupert Murdoch? SG. Koch brothers, same. Sheldon Adelson? 86. The leader of AARP who popped off about having all the money? SG. (Anecdotal, but my boomer parents have a shit-ton less money than my Silent in-laws.) They still have considerable money and power.

I will admit to pretty much lumping the silent generation (or at least the last half of it?) in with the boomers. As the boomer name suggests, the accepted definitions are practically defined by World War II, whereas my personal divide is probably based more around popular cultural, for better or worse.

I think there are 2 undertones in the posts I've read re: Boomers.

1. Boomers and how they have messed up later generations with their arguably misuse of economic and political leverage
   
2. Boomers and how they treat Millennials (and vice-versa)

For #1, condemnation of the Boomer generation as a whole doesn't make sense to me.

Can't blame really mom or grandma when they didn't have the economic and (for the most part) political power. Can't really blame Grandpa Juan or Auntie Li either.

So you are left with 40-50% of the Boomers to blame and of that how many of those are really guilty of screwing up your life?

Instead, I think many here mean to condemn the white, male and primarily Republican Boomers (and Silent) who held/hold the economic and political power.


For #2, same as its always been and does include mom, grandma, grandpa Juan and Auntie Li. Regardless of race, religion, country of origin etc. there's always this generational divide. Its more publicized, out there now because of social media

Sure, every single member of the boomer generation did not personally and deliberately manipulate the economic/political system for their own gain, nor did every single member of the boomer generation consistently vote to keep those structures in place.

That said, the basic concepts of business and political demography that you and Brian are arguing against are well established & widely accepted, and shouldn't have to be completely re-defined as any part of this argument.

Has anyone ever declined a job or other opportunity to be fair to the next generation? Is that a thing that will be a moral value going forward?

Certainly not. In this case I think the issue is that the generation in control of provisioning those jobs & opportunities, and the relative quantity & quality thereof, has remained static. If the boomer generation had followed the population curve of the surrounding generations an exchange of influence would have been unavoidable.

I will definitely agree/concede that the population hiccup that gave the boomers all of their influence & privilege was certainly not the result of any collective or individual choice or fault, for whatever that is worth. And as much as I can prattle on complaining about the population curve, the Boomers do also deserve some credit for not having kids at the rate of their parents & largely resetting the curve...that *was* a collective choice, and though it will cost my generation in influence it will likely serve all the following generations for the better.

Okay. So your beef isn't just about "white, male and primarily Republican Boomers", it really is about "blaming" the Boomer Generation as a whole for what I consider as faults of the few (e.g 10%).


I don't really know what "are well established & widely accepted". Can you provide a link for me to read your POV?

75% of this board is Gen X? I had no idea there were so many of us.

It's gonna be hilarious to watch the questions on this board slowly morph from queries about video games and big screen TVs into discussions about the best brands of dentures and artificial hips.

... and what's up with the 5 that voted Trout anyway? We may now be in an eternal tie between Boomers and Millennials

Gen X and fuck I hate that movie

Not really. My point was that when we are talking about judging the collective influence of a demographic of course we aren't talking about each particular individual. Certainly the folks in power and making influential decisions are only a tiny fraction of the generation in question, and of course I don't feel like Hispanic grandmothers are personally oppressing me, I'm just not sure why those clarifications are necessary.



Demographics Definition

How Demographics Drive The Economy

Boomer Effect (Baby Boomer Factor) Definition

Baby Boomer Age Wave Theory Definition

Thanks, did look thru them and it confirms the definition of boomers and some characteristics. Didn't see anything re:


I know some about the "wave theory", maybe not in those terms but its pretty logical to assume. But again, nothing about how Boomers and older screwed up the Millennials or the world.

See PilotMan's post above. The slow disintegration of Social Security, Pensions, home ownership and any kind of retirement is hardly underground news. Some manner of conflict between the generations & transitions is surely constant and inevitable, as you have suggested, but the boomers' parents left them a world of financial opportunity & relative privilege, and they did not secure the same for the generations that followed. Much like the concept of "White Privilege" that kind of collective & situational privilege is hard to dissect on an entirely granular, individual level....millions of boomers of color who fought through the civil rights movement, vietnam veterans, and/or women of that era would probably bristle at the idea of any of today's relatively young adults labeling them as any kind of privileged individual, but in the (narrow but crucial) terms of something like collective financial security it certainly applies.

"Roughly 80% of S&P 500 companies have baby boomer CEOs and approximately one-third of that group is 65 or older.....Eighty percent of the U.S. House of Representatives and 86% of the Senate are aged 50 or older (this also includes the approximately 15-20% who are older than the baby boomers). In the White House, baby boomers have served as president since 1993, when Bill Clinton took office":

What Would a Transfer of Power from Baby Boomers to Generation X Look Like?

I went with trout option because generally I don't like generalizations, hence, I usually refuse to call myself a whatsoever.

Initially I thought the Netherlands had a similar population pyramid, they are similar, but on further look there are different peaks. In the Netherlands the largest peaks is at 1964 and 1969 (and around them), in the USA the big peak is at 1990-1994. Cultures obviously vary as well, although the arrival of internet has made the cultures slightly more similar than they already were.

In the end, I had no other option than abstaining, the quoted Wikipedia article disqualified me from being the target audience.

Age by Year Visualization

So many boomers

Is there a similar Boomer vs Millennials dynamic going on in Netherlands?

Or they turned into the hicks? At least I think that's what happened to my mom, haha!

Very interesting. Never really knew the story behind the saying. In context it totally makes sense on why he said it. Out of context, I can see why it may have become some sort of rallying cry for the peace movement.

Wait...hold up a sec now...1963? Man I would have bet, good hard earned, cold American dollar bills and said no earlier than 1969.