A Wererolf, a Vampire, and a Villager Walk Into a Bar (Game Over, Vampires Win)
 

Welcome to town... allow me to show you around. You will find that we have a wonderful little village with all of the normal sites that any quaint countryside village may have. Your local general store, a doctor's office, a post office, a sheriff's office, school, library, pub, full moon lock down cell, tailor, barbershop... pretty much everything that any small town will offer.

What's that you say? Barbershop? That's where you get a haircut... oh, not that one... tailor? No? Oh, you mean the full moon lock down cell? That's where the town goes during every full moon to spend the evening to prevent any injuries from occurring because of transformation.

Okay, there may be one thing we left out. Everyone in town is also a werewolf. We use the lock down cells to keep everyone safe.

You'll find we are pretty much like any community.... OR we used to me.

An evil force has infiltrated our town. We are not sure what the force is yet but if has been randomly killing off our good people and we are trying to find out who, or what, is behind it.

That leads me to our next request before you move in... We need you to prove your true nature. We need to verify that you are a werewolf, just like us...

Rules

General
Number of deadlines: 1 deadline per day

Deadline: 10:00 PM EST - 10:00 posts count, 10:01 and later is too late

Outside Contact: Please, no contact outside of the game other than using PM's (if you are on a team that is allowed PM rights)


Voting
Voting - Bold your vote in this format Vote EagleFan to allow your vote to stand out.

Voting - Please either put your vote in a post of it's own or on a separate line within your post so that the vote will stand out easily.

Unvoting - To back your vote out use the same rules as for voting but use this format Unvote EagleFan

Ties - We never like ties... what will happen in the event of a tie? Try one to find out... :D


Winning the Game
Werewolves - Eliminate all of the enemy (enemies?)
Villager - Achieve even numbers with the Werewolves and eliminate any other entity
Vampires - If they really exist, eliminate villagers (and any other entity) and achieve even numbers with the Werewolves
Others - Conditions will be defined in your role PM

Order of Actions
1) Any Watch/Scan
2) Count conversion
3) Villager Attack
4) Vampire Attack
5) Heal
6) Convert Action


Roles (possible)
Doctor - Can heal a fellow wolf who was attacked.

Town Watch - Will watch over a player to see if any action was performed by that player, or against that player.

Brutal - If attacked, there is a 50% chance of also killing the attacker.

Wise Wolf - Can perform a seer ceremony to discover the true nature of their target.

Vanilla Wolf - Average werewolf.

Recently Converted Wolf - There maker is still around and will be converted back to a villager if their maker dies at the hands of the village. Has a secret ability that only they will know about.

Villager Seeking Revenge - Had a loved one killed by a werewolf and wants revenge. If taken out by a wolf will fire off a silver bullet at a target to eliminate them as well.

Vanilla Villager - Part of the villager team.

Contained Wolf - A villager who was scratched by a werewolf as a child but never turned, has werewolf DNA and will scan as a wolf.

The Count - Leader of the Vampires; chased from his home many miles away and had to choose this town to settle in. Can convert a werewolf to a killing machine.

Vanilla Vampire - Your average every day vampire.

Signup

1) britrock88 - Vanilla Villager (night 3 kill)
2) bhlloy - The Count (night 3 kill)
3) timmae - Recently Converted Wolf (day 3 lynch)
4) henry296
5) GoldenEagle
6) LoneStarGirl
7) Telle
8) RendeR
9) Autumn - Vanilla wolf (night 2 kill)
10) Chief Rum - Vanilla Wolf (day 2 lynch)

Will have more details posted later tonight. It will be a 3 team game (if we have enough signups), if not it will be basic two teams... with one difference... The Werewolves are the good guys...

In.

Seems like the absolute perfect time to get back into this... I’m in

Hopefully this takes off!

I may have time for this!!

In

in.

We're slowly getting there. I'll bump the thread in OT.

Count me in!

Will send out a few more feelers to see if we can get this into double digits.

So is this likely to happen or no? I'm in if it gets off the ground.

I'll add Telle's name to the mix. Would like a couple more but if not I'll adjust accordingly.

Fuck yeah, count my dumb ass in, I'm sure I'll die fast.

Your dumb ass is in... :D

I'll give the signups until Saturday and we'll get it started next Monday with rules based upon number of players.

I'd love to get back in a game. I'm worried that my schedule right now is so crazy, but I'll do my best.

Welcome Autumn

:popcorn: :) :eek: :D :D :cool: :popcorn: :) ;)

Ready to rock this!!

It's technically Sunday morning, but I haven't gone to sleep from "Saturday" yet. Does that count?

In if you got room.

Yeah my work load is a level of magnitude above what it used to be, so playing is going to be tough for me. Not likely to be able to maintain my detailed spreadsheets like I used to! Hoping to have some fun regardless.

Welcome Chief

Sorry all, was a rough weekend. This morning I said "crap, I think it's later than Saturday"

Glad to be back for game on, everybody. Chances we lynch someone for mistakenly calling themselves a villager or calling the bad guys wolves?: 98%

Might take the over on that... ;)

It was weird writing up the PM's. Had to keep rechecking the wording. Plus, way out of practice for this so I hope this goes well.

Yea this is a bit weird, on top of not playing in forever. I'm sure we'll deal with it.

I'm a wolf, but this time I'm a good guy.

So the first game back in forever, and you have to make it even more difficult for everyone? Well, at least we get to play again :)

Yep, this is weird but just happy to be playing again! How many baddies (vamps/villagers) do we think we have? 2 out of 10? Man I am rusty. Happy to be a wolf!

So we have 11 possible roles and only 10 people playing. I'm a vanilla wolf, and I imagine there has to be another vanilla wolf or two just because I refuse to believe that with all those roles I alone managed to draw the most boring one among them.

So how many of the possible roles do we think are actually in play? I'm thinking 2 each of vampires and villagers? That or the vampires are a red herring and there's 2 or 3 villagers.

I can't imagine just 1 vampire, so either 2 and 2 or probably 3 villagers if no vampires.

The fact that both villager roles and vampire roles are listed leads me to believe they are likely both included. Is 4 out of 10 a crazy ratio? Villagers and vampires both have to have equal numbers to wolves in order to win. Does a 2-2-6 split make sense overall? Then 4 wolves would need to be voted off for either sanction to possibly win.

I'm guessing vampires were a possibility if our numbers were larger, but with such a small game, I doubt we see that. It's already hard to balance a 10-person game. Two-three villagers I would guess. Maybe three if we have some good wolf roles.

I think the baddies have to be two or three. Four is way too much.

I suspect there are two villagers, if the Count is in the game. Three if he is not. Maybe still two without the Count if there is a recently converted wolf in the game.

I am thinking maybe half the roles will be in the game at most. And I assume the more basic WW roles are here, the seer, the bodyguard (guess that's the doctor), brutal, cunning, etc.

My bet is the Count might be able to expand his group. Not sure if the killing machine part is that, or if it is a separate ability.

But the definition of "baddies" is murky. The villagers and vampires are against each other as much as they are against the wolves. So two of each is reasonable.

Killing machine not the words you want to hear in a WW game.

So, do we have a deadline tonight, in 3.5 hours? If so, we better start voting!

Nope. First deadline is Tuesday night.

Oh phew. That was going to be a madhouse. In that case, relax everyone! No one will die for a while.

Yea you make a good point. I could see two of each, given the "competition" element.

Lol... I swear I was thinking the same thing. Yay for Tuesday.

So, I guess I shouldn't say vanilla villager checking in......

But looking forward to this. The last WW PM I had was over 5 years ago. I am not sure when the last game ran.

Hey folks, sorry I'm late, took a long nap before work tonight then stared at my phone for a couple hours (blame the guys that found retro-bowl!!!)


as some have mentioned there are a ton of roles and only so many people, so either everyone has a vital role and choosing to kill someone is going to either make or break this game on night 1 or as someone said its a smoke screen and we have a typical 2-3 wolves and ton of villagers.

having not been playing in awhile I'm reticent to throw out an opinion but I think EF would include as much variety as possible, so I'm thinking there are very few vanillas and only 1 or 2 of anything else.

Psssst... other way around.

Whateva :P

Please remember everyone, telle and I are married and we've been locked down together for over a month now. Anything she says can and should be used against her.

I stumbled upon retro bowl recently too, that was where some time this morning went.

As of Post 54

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ruh roh raggie.....

Ok, so we have abit more info perhaps?

"Who are you? You just showed up 3 days ago? I have the scratches to show what I have been through out there, before I found what I hoped would be home... What about you?!?! I saw the look in your eyes when you saw a werewolf lifeless on the ground. That almost looked like a sense of pride. Is this some game to you? A hunt for sport perhaps?"

Scratches to show... possibly a 'Recently Converted Werewolf'? That means we have a maker also.

A hunt for sport perhaps... Does this allude to a vampire in our midst maybe?

I have a few more thoughts but will wait until later on in the day to mention as I'd like to see a few more check-ins first. Here's a list of status for each of us;

1) britrock88
2) bhlloy
3) timmae Posted
4) henry296 Posted
5) GoldenEagle Posted
6) LoneStarGirl
7) Telle Posted
8) RendeR Posted
9) Autumn Posted
10) Chief Rum Posted

I think we are waiting on 3 to post yet if I have back checked correctly.

I have the scratches to show what I have been through out there, before I found what I hoped would be home... Maybe this could be a 'Contained Wolf' instead of a 'Recently Converted Wolf'.

Arrival of a great savior... what the heck is that about?!

lol, nice you 2! It would be quite interesting if both of you were villagers or vamps!

Vote RendeR

That matches what I have too.

All right, not to be a cliche, but i had a Zoom meeting last night. But I am now ready to go. Let's get a check-in from everyone and figure out which of you is a nasty villager.

Given the delay between sign-ups and starting, I'm going to wait and make sure everyone checks-in as I think it is likely someone doesn't.

How have no-shows been handled in the past? Would they just be removed? Voting them out doesn't really get us any data and basically just delays everything a day.

We typically have just argued about them for days. Towards the end as GM I started putting in rules about removing them after X days because it can become such a thorny issue.

In a new game after so long gone, I have to assume some won't notice it started until late in the day. Hopefully they will jump in actively once they get here.

I'm not sure what role a great savior of the werewolves would hint at. Maybe something not even in the ruleset, as a Seer doesn't really seem like a savior that would be foretold. Might be more flavor than anything.

Could be... we'll see how this unfolds. I am hoping my hunches pay off. So far, I have a few likes/dislikes that are starting to emerge! Anyone else have some thoughts as to possible roles and how to snuff them out?

Day 1 is just a random guess anyway. I'd like to know if a potential no-show has a valuable role so we can move on and realize we don't have that person rather than guessing.

Day 1 is a random guess for the "good guys". The groups that have communications privileges are not guessing randomly, and retrospective analysis can be useful. If there's agreement to just vote out a no-show, then there's no analysis to be done.

And at this point we have no idea which roles are actually in the game, so learning that we don't have a role because a no-show had it isn't as useful as it might be in different games.

My preference at this point is to just play as normal and ignore the no-shows for now. Give them a day to arrive.. and if they don't then see if EagleFan has a plan for that contingency or if we have to handle it ourselves. Putting off doing much in the way of voting until this evening in case they arrive by then makes sense, other than my vote for my husband for being an ass ;)

Let's get some discussion going...

Vote RendeR

It’s been 5+ years since I’ve been involved in a werewolf game so it’s going to take a day or two to knock the dust off! Also keep in mind GoldenEagle and I are married but we’ve been quarantined together far too long so I’m going to use this game as an excuse to avoid talking to him. ��
I’m excited to be back!

A pair of co-habitators! This will certainly be interesting if /when they flip! Let's see how good each of them is at reading their loved ones..errr... spouses!

Great... I don't want to be partly responsible for tearing families apart... ;)

Yep, it's all EF's fault!

It is a random guess for me then.

This guy has it figured out... suspiciously quickly??? ;)

First second vote! :eek:

To be contrarian, I will apply pressure to the absent! Maybe it will act as a summoning device.

VOTE bhlloy

Pretty much everyone here, good.

I agree with Telle, since we don't know exactly what, or how many, roles are included in the game, we don't learn anything much by getting rid of someone who is a no-show or not active. And the information gained by voting out an inactive player and discovering their role is potentially more useful to the bad guys. It is to the wolves' benefit to keep the villagers in the dark and let our roled players do their thing. I'm therefore going to throw out a Day 1 not-much-there vote on Henry for his suggestion.

vote henry296

Things are starting to get interesting now! Down to 1 no show...

Not sure I like Henry's thoughts in posts 69 and 78 either. Care to expound on your thoughts Henry?

If we have someone inactive (which we probably won't) the speculation about that person's potential role as a villager would be distracting. While it would be bad to kill off a good guy role, it wouldn't help us since they didn't submit a night action. Since we likely don't have all of the roles, there will be speculation that causes confusion.

Lot's of confusion for sure! T'is why we love the game so..

I'm going to put in a vote to bhlloy for now. I would rather have the role certainty if he doesn't show up.


VOTE BHLLOY

I am confident bhlloy is going to show up and knock our socks off with his insight into this game thus far so I’m going to refrain from voting for him until he emerges. But if it’s not soon he’s getting my vote!

Ain't no party like a D1 party!

With only 5 of 10 votes cast and a 2-2-1 tally, this could unfold any which way between now and nightfall.

unvote RendeR

vote henry296

What is the point in voting for the person who hasn't checked in yet (bhlloy)? Having some default voting target like that just muddies the water. I question if those voting that way (or indicating they will) are villagers or vampires who KNOW that bhlloy isn't one of them and thus a good target for them.

Maybe I'm forgetting a rule or something, but since day 1 is kind of a crap shoot, is there any benefit at all to simply....NOT killing anyone tonight? can we vote to "VOTE NO ONE"?

And if that is possible, could that help us in ANY way?

A few concerns...

1) The village (so to speak) forfeits its opportunity to keep up with the bad guys' abilities to kill/take actions.
2) It might require 100% participation, depending on EF's interpretation of a single vote to lynch a player v. votes not to lynch. That would be susceptible to last-minute defection.
3) It could trigger a tie, which we have reason to be leery of.

Wouldn't having no lynch today just make Day 2 into Day 1? Eventually we gotta break the ice and kill someone, and until we do there's not much information to go on.

Excellent points, thank you for the response!

I honestly don't have a feel for anyone at this time. But we have about 4.5 hours to figure one out.

The Recently Converted Wolf (Has a secret ability that only they will know about) and the Count (can convert a werewolf to a killing machine) seem to be the only roles with a dynamic that may be able to kill without a lynch. Not sure what the converted wolf ability would be so maybe not something that kills. Also not sure what a Killing Machine is.

If we have a Wise Wolf we may get a look at one player's allegiance. However, if the Contained Wolf is in play it could come back as a bad reading (would that be a false negative?).