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QuikSand 01-08-2026 12:15 PM

FOFC GroupThink 2026: We take over the Cleveland Browns
 
Fresh off our GRAND SUCCESSES of recent years:

FOFC GroupThink 2022: We take over the NY Football Giants

FOFC GroupThink 2023: We take over the Detroit Lions

FOFC GroupThink 2024: We take over the Arizona Cardinals

FOFC GroupThink 2025: We take over the Chicago Bears

We get to take on the Lake Erie Challenge (blast from the FOFC past)... how can we save the mistake on the lake? Not exactly an empty cupboard, but we do have the matter of a certain salary cap inconvenience that will carry some consequence this year and beyond.

Let's go sort it out on the shores of the lovely Cuyahoga.

Bobble 01-08-2026 01:38 PM

Deion Sanders as Head Coach! And then start the river on fire. :popcorn:

Alright, I got it out of my system...

JPhillips 01-08-2026 01:41 PM

Step 1: Who's our head coach?

Like every other team not in Baltimore I'd love Harbaugh, but I can't imagine they can get him. If we are committing to Sanders for the next 2-3 years, I want an offense-focused coach, but I also want a good OC. One of the big problems with the Browns is that they don't seem unified on organizational direction and that has to change. If Sanders is the guy, from owner to OC need to be focused on his development and production.

albionmoonlight 01-08-2026 01:52 PM

Are we 100% out on Watson?

RainMaker 01-08-2026 02:06 PM

Not a great head coach market and I actually like Stefanski more than anyone realistically available (Harbaugh is not coming). I'd probably go with someone like Saleh or Spagnola. They desperately need someone to change the culture and hold players accountable and I think those two would be solid in that role. They'll need help with a top notch OC, but I think the culture shift is at the top of the list of things that need to change.

I don't think they are out on Watson because of the contract. I'd say he is the bridge QB or a stopgap till you can draft someone in 2027.

And I say 2027 instead of 2026 because I don't think the Browns should trade up for Moore or Mendoza. It would require a lot and I think 2026 should be a rebuilding year with a focus on getting a QB in 2027 and building up the offensive line this offseason so that new QB doesn't get destroyed.

JPhillips 01-08-2026 02:53 PM

Saleh was a real disappointment in NY. He seemed nearly comatose some games.

albionmoonlight 01-08-2026 03:14 PM

OK, where to start.

QB: They aren't going to do it, but I'd trade Sanders. You can probably get a 3rd-4th round pick for him. And the circus aspect of him on the team isn't worth whatever small chance there is that he will break out.

Watson's cap hit is somehow $80 million. And then $50 in dead cap next season when it voids. I don't think that you can eat the whole $80 this year (though I'd see if that were possible to get it in the rearview as soon as I could). I think what we do is push some of that cap into the future and try and bring his number into the $50 range. I like the idea of him as the bridge QB.

Not worth trading assets to draft a guy this draft.

Coach: I agree that Harbaugh ain't coming. The young offensive whiz kids have been strip mined the last few seasons. And this team needs some adults in the room badly. Anthony Weaver comes to mind. Vance Joseph? I don't know if I want to bring a young guy like Chris Shula or Klint Kubiak into this clown show.

RainMaker 01-08-2026 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3474473)
Saleh was a real disappointment in NY. He seemed nearly comatose some games.


Yeah, I'm ont super high on him but the available options are pretty slim unless you want to hand it over to an inexperienced coordinator from somewhere else. I do think the Jets situation was really shitty for him and a lot was out of his control. He's had a good defense almost everywhere he's been.

My thinking is you're cooked offensively for another year or two because of the Watson situation. Best bet is to focus on putting together a formidable defensive unit while you slowly upgrade the offensive line for the next franchise QB. Saleh can handle that and I think he's a good culture guy. You can always dump him in 2 years when you find a franchise QB if you're still worried about the offense.

JPhillips 01-08-2026 03:33 PM

What about Kingsbury?

RainMaker 01-08-2026 03:44 PM

Kingsbury is interesting and wouldn't be terrible but I guess my worry is for a team that is such a mess, I think you'd want more of an adult as HC for awhile.

I highly doubt you'd get a 3rd or 4th for Sanders too. He wasn't very good and a lot of the flaws people saw in college came out. For a team that needs a future QB, they'd probably be better off keeping him and seeing if he can develop into something as slim as the chances of that happening are.

GrantDawg 01-08-2026 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3474486)
Kingsbury is interesting and wouldn't be terrible but I guess my worry is for a team that is such a mess, I think you'd want more of an adult as HC for awhile.

I highly doubt you'd get a 3rd or 4th for Sanders too. He wasn't very good and a lot of the flaws people saw in college came out. For a team that needs a future QB, they'd probably be better off keeping him and seeing if he can develop into something as slim as the chances of that happening are.

If fans ran teams you could definitely get a third, because there are large group of fans that bye the hype. Unfortunately most teams are ran by adults, and they won't touch him with a stick.

albionmoonlight 01-08-2026 04:45 PM

The problem is that Sanders comes with this somewhat unique downside. Sure if you had a Gardner Minchew and you wanted to keep him on the roster to see if the 1% chance he turns into a franchise QB hits, then why not? But I think that the Browns need to really focus on leaving the crazy behind, and Sanders” mere existence on the team makes it harder to do that.

RainMaker 01-08-2026 05:10 PM

I can understand that. I just don't think you'd get a 3rd or 4th for him. Maybe a 6th or 7th (one of those trades where the pick can improve if he starts a bunch of games). Probably some late pick swap at best.

JPhillips 01-08-2026 05:17 PM

Just doesn't seem realistic to ditch Sanders without an ownership or GM change.

flere-imsaho 01-08-2026 07:04 PM

Honestly, lean in the Sanders thing and hire Deion. What's the worst that could happen, you bottom out and become the laughingstock of the NFL?

Bobble 01-08-2026 08:14 PM

Don't you guys think Sanders (the QB one, not the potential HC one) is kind of a get-out-of-jail-free card? You give the fans what they want. You give Sanders a chance to see if by some miracle he actually is an NFL QB. And meanwhile, you've bought yourself the year you need wait out (most of) the Watson debacle.

How's the rest of the roster?

RB - Judkins - probably fine, right?
TE - Fannin and Njoku, good
WR - Is Jeudy anything? Anyone else?
OL - Stinky, I presume. Any keepers?

DL - Garrett is all-world. Anything else here? Mason Graham?
LB - Devin Bush, Jerome Baker, and JOK are all fine, right?
DB - Ward's good. Delpit and Hickman are good.

So the needs are OL and WR?

Passacaglia 01-08-2026 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobble (Post 3474520)
Don't you guys think Sanders (the QB one, not the potential HC one) is kind of a get-out-of-jail-free card? You give the fans what they want. You give Sanders a chance to see if by some miracle he actually is an NFL QB. And meanwhile, you've bought yourself the year you need wait out (most of) the Watson debacle.


I do. This is a team with Deshaun Watson "on" it, and it seems weird to me that we're acting like Sanders has all this off-field downside. I feel like, why not roll with him? I'm not sure what the alternative is anyway -- Deshaun? Spending the cap resources you don't have on a FA? Drafting another?

Passacaglia 01-08-2026 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3474466)
Step 1: Who's our head coach?

Like every other team not in Baltimore I'd love Harbaugh, but I can't imagine they can get him. If we are committing to Sanders for the next 2-3 years, I want an offense-focused coach, but I also want a good OC. One of the big problems with the Browns is that they don't seem unified on organizational direction and that has to change. If Sanders is the guy, from owner to OC need to be focused on his development and production.


Minter? I know someone said get a young offensive whiz, but I would love to see a great defense in Cleveland.

bhlloy 01-08-2026 09:23 PM

Depends what you think about the QBs in the draft. Honestly the chance that Sanders is an NFL QB with what he’s shown is so miniscule, so do you like this year or next year more?

If his name was Smith he’d already be borderline out of the league, let’s be fair. Gabriel statistically was the better QB, and both were historically awful. In the last 5 years he’s in the bottom 3 for adjusted yards per attempt and QBR, below many other guys like Zach Wilson and Anthony Richardson who are considered jokes and actually had some physical upside to make you believe they could be a Josh Allen. I’m usually all for patience with young QBs, but Sanders isn’t it.

flere-imsaho 01-09-2026 05:33 PM

Merge the Browns with the Bengals and you'd have one hell of a team.

Ohio doesn't need two teams anyway. Merge them and award a new franchise to Portland, OR.

JPhillips 01-09-2026 05:48 PM

I'm not thrilled with either of the top-10 WR options and I'm not sure what to expect with Judkins after his injury. I think Love makes a lot of sense and merges well with Fannin.

QuikSand 01-09-2026 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobble (Post 3474520)
Don't you guys think Sanders (the QB one, not the potential HC one) is kind of a get-out-of-jail-free card? You give the fans what they want. You give Sanders a chance to see if by some miracle he actually is an NFL QB. And meanwhile, you've bought yourself the year you need wait out (most of) the Watson debacle.

How's the rest of the roster?

RB - Judkins - probably fine, right?
TE - Fannin and Njoku, good
WR - Is Jeudy anything? Anyone else?
OL - Stinky, I presume. Any keepers?

DL - Garrett is all-world. Anything else here? Mason Graham?
LB - Devin Bush, Jerome Baker, and JOK are all fine, right?
DB - Ward's good. Delpit and Hickman are good.

So the needs are OL and WR?


This general framework is close to my thinking.

A few specifics:

-the good OL are all up for new contracts, so it's a pivotal decision there cap-wise... TE Njoku is a free agent also, I'm fairly certain

-rookie LB Schwesinger looks like a build-around caliber guy, but JOK is a serious career question mark with a major injury... the DL is a strength overall, not sure about contract details yet

-CB Ward and Campbell are both getting paid, but the two positions are in good shape, not a ton of teams can brag that... and yeah Delpit and the depth are okay, DB feeling pretty good


I'd say a difference-making WR or anchor caliber OT are atop the list, yeah.

JPhillips 01-09-2026 08:12 PM

Gonna be really tough to re-sign guys with their cap situation.

bhlloy 01-09-2026 08:13 PM

Surely both Barkley and the first year of Jeanty on bad teams is a cautionary tale about the top 5 RB?

I know the position has undergone a bit of a revival but it still seems such a waste of draft capital to me. Even if the player is that talented it’s so injury dependent and you can still get such talent later in the draft, I have to admit it just doesn’t make sense to me.

henry296 01-10-2026 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobble (Post 3474520)
Don't you guys think Sanders (the QB one, not the potential HC one) is kind of a get-out-of-jail-free card? You give the fans what they want. You give Sanders a chance to see if by some miracle he actually is an NFL QB. And meanwhile, you've bought yourself the year you need wait out (most of) the Watson debacle.

How's the rest of the roster?

RB - Judkins - probably fine, right?
TE - Fannin and Njoku, good
WR - Is Jeudy anything? Anyone else?
OL - Stinky, I presume. Any keepers?

DL - Garrett is all-world. Anything else here? Mason Graham?
LB - Devin Bush, Jerome Baker, and JOK are all fine, right?
DB - Ward's good. Delpit and Hickman are good.

So the needs are OL and WR?


Njoku is a free agent.

Also have Tillman at WR who has been ok, but was hurt most of this season.

CrimsonFox 01-10-2026 03:51 PM

Still waiting for the Arizone cards thread to pay off...

CrimsonFox 01-10-2026 03:53 PM

Trade Gabriel or Sanders. Just outright waive Watson

Get Kirk Cousins or Jameis

QuikSand 01-12-2026 02:21 PM

Watson contract details via
Deshaun Watson Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Looks like cutting him pre-June 1 triggers everything at once, a $131m dead money hit and a $50m reduction in cap space for 26... seems untenable

Cutting post June 1 is still 80m in dead money in 26 and another 50 later, scaling down... and zero savings in 26

I think it's take your medicine (over the next few years), unless you can Osweiller someone into taking the contract which just seems inconceivable as well

JPhillips 01-12-2026 02:53 PM

So back to the coach,

What about Jim Schwartz?

RainMaker 01-12-2026 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3474753)
I think it's take your medicine (over the next few years), unless you can Osweiller someone into taking the contract which just seems inconceivable as well


I wouldn't do that. The team is a couple years away and in a rebuild. I think you keep Watson and Shadeur and hope one of them can be competent. Build up your offensive line and then take someone in the draft in 2027.

If everyone desperately wants a new QB, I do kind of like taking a flyer on Malik Willis. He has looked incredible for the Packers when he has been given playing time. Probably a guy you can get in on a 2-year deal with the 2nd year mostly non-guaranteed.

RainMaker 01-12-2026 03:22 PM

As for coach, what about LaFleur if the Packers let him go? The guy knows how to develop a QB.

JPhillips 01-12-2026 03:52 PM

Stories are out that the Packers are going to give him an extension.

Atocep 01-12-2026 06:16 PM

I think the top defensive coaches are probably safer bets at this point for a coach. I'm not comfortable enough with Joe Brady or Klink Kubiak

I'd look at Flores first. I really think this is an organization that could use someone with some head coaching experience and out of those with experience, Flores and McCarthy are the only ones outside of the guy they just fired that didn't completely crash and burn on his first attempt. It would come down to his choices on the offensive side of the ball though because those offensive staffs he built in Miami were god awful.

Another thought would be Robert Saleh if he could pull Mike McDaniel as OC. I can't hold his time with the Jets too heavily against him considering he dealt with Zach Wilson and the Aaron Rodgers situations along with the typical Jets nonsense. The upside here is he's already coached the worst organization in the NFL so he'd see Cleveland as a step up from his last gig. If it could get the Saleh/McDaniels combo he's probably at the top of my list.

Neither would be the most exciting hire, but I don't think that exciting hire is out there right now. Outside of those 2 I'd probably look at McCarthy. Again, not exciting but I really believe the Browns need someone ready to lead on day 1 and isn't learning on the job.

albionmoonlight 01-13-2026 06:43 AM

I agree that whoever takes over as HC needs to change the culture. Realistically, they are probably going to spend 3 years helping us clean up from all of our past mistakes while winning 5 games a year. Just enough to get fired and set up the next coach to win.

So I don't know if Saleh or Flores wants that job. A black coach who has failed at 2 prior stops (even if he had good excuses at both) is never getting another shot. They need to be very careful about the job they choose.

McCarthy is 62 years old. This is likely his last stop no matter what. And he instantly gives the team a high floor. If we can get to "the Browns can't win in the playoffs with McCarthy," that is a huge win for us considering where we are now.

#TeamMcCarthy

QuikSand 01-13-2026 07:37 AM

As a fan of the Dolphins/Ravens/Browns sorta in that order, I'm pretty vested in the HC derby this offseason overall. I find the Saleh/McDaniel combo attractive for either of the latter two there.

I also find the #TeamMcCarthy logic especially compelling for the Browns in specific, as floor-seekers.

I think Schwartz is an intriguing candidate but don't think that flips the lever enough in Cleveland.

Among the rest of the field, Minter is really intriguing and feels (fairly obviously) like the Mike McDonald situation of a Harbaugh protege who lives and breathes ball, exudes competence, and is just bound for success in his next stage. I'd welcome him to any of my teams, including the Browns. Actually, I think he'd be my top pick for Cleveland, all told.

QuikSand 01-13-2026 08:18 AM

Getting a jump on the contract issues, one seems easy enough to isolate and discuss in detail here. TE Njoku was surprisingly (to most) paid a top-market offer last time he was up. Browns are going to be cap constrained this year and forward, and we seem to have a nice weapon in local product Harold Fannin Jr. on the roster for three more cheap-as-fuck years.

Seems like an easy call to me... if Njoku is going to cost someone, say, $8m a year we're better off letting him go and hopefully gathering a compensatory draft pick later. That feels pretty easy to me.

And then we likely figure TE2 as a low-priority target for a later round draft pick and/or a cheap veteran. I would be very open to moving in the admittedly trendy direction of a lot of jumbo/power/12/13 setups next season, so a people mover type might make sense.

JPhillips 01-13-2026 09:24 AM

I know I'm the one who suggested we start with the coach, but I think we should take a step back and first figure out what the goal is for next season. On the one hand, the division is going to be ripe for the taking. The other three teams were basically .500 this year and they could easily be the same or worse next year. On the other hand, I think we can all agree the Browns don't have a long-term solution at QB, so winning nine games next year could keep them on the carousel of mediocrity.

I think establishing the goal for next season, win and let God sort em out or stink once more before finding our savior, is the first decision to make. For me, at least, it would help clarify what I want in a coach.

Bobble 01-13-2026 09:34 AM

Maybe making the playoffs and then almost assuredly getting booted out doesn't seem like a great plan to me. Fans and ownership seem to have accepted a rebuild year so that seems the likely goal. Sort out HC. Sort out QB. Cut the dead weight. Rise from the ashes. That's where I'm at.

QuikSand 01-13-2026 11:00 AM

Okay, so... agreed that big picture is part of what we want to focus on first, and that connects/precedes some of the specifics. That said, the HC decision is likely to happen in the next 10 days of real time, I'd think, so time's a-wastin'.

I'll speculate for now that none among us think the goal for 2026 is 12 wins. We're not in that mindset, we're not ready for that. So, nothing like mortgage-the-future and win-right-away votes among us. We're on a longer glide path.

So, that said... what decisions really get altered by the difference between "let's be respectable now while we build" versus "26 and maybe 27 are lost causes, we're in this for the long haul" p.o.v. ? Maybe the viability of a veteran/stable choice at HC and QB are less attractive if the latter... and I suppose it would affect our willingness to let older quality OL walk.

I'd be mostly in favor of: it's a marathon, no crisis if we go 5-12 in 2026 but we want to see signs of development and have as much clarity as possible at some key positions whether we are entering a window for the 27 season and beyond, as we get past the DW contract residue.

That would lead me to say "hire the HC we want for 10 years, but let QB simmer for this year (maybe Shedeur, Shedeur/Gabriel), beef up spots like OL and WR with guys we think could be valuable long term," that sort of thing.

Bobble 01-13-2026 12:12 PM

Are we entertaining a Jets-esque fire sale?

bhlloy 01-13-2026 12:44 PM

I think let QB simmer unless there’s one you really like in the draft, and I’d even entertain another young QB reclamation project to add to the pot if you can shake one loose for nothing, why the hell not? You can throw a rock at any QB in the entire league and find one that’s done better than Sanders and Gabriel.

JPhillips 01-13-2026 12:52 PM

I'm more willing to swing for a home run on a less experienced coach if I don't care about winning next year. I'd worry that stabilizing things with McCarthy is a pretty path to 7-9 wins, especially with their schedule. They only have five playoff games and three of those are PittX2 and Carolina.

It's just so hard to win without a QB and I'd like to do everything to maximize either developing Shedeur, which I think is a long shot, or setting the team up to draft one in 2027.

I've talked myself into Minter or Kubiak.

Danny 01-13-2026 01:00 PM

Hire Pete Carroll and his sons and get a qb in 2027

Atocep 01-13-2026 01:13 PM

IMO the path forward starts with legitimizing the organization. It's been the joke of the league for far too long and that's why, personally, I'd rather have an experienced coach on the sidelines rather than gamble on someone without any experience.

I'd put Tomlin at the top of list now although I doubt he'd entertain a move from Pittsburgh to Cleveland.

CrimsonFox 01-13-2026 02:09 PM

Harbough in Cleveland would be interesting

Danny 01-13-2026 02:13 PM

I am going to disagree with atocep. I think you get your cap in order and build a young team, that is naturally going to lose a lot of games while getting your qb in 2027.

Someone like Harbaugh or mccarthy wil want to go for it amd you win 7 games, stay in a bad cap situation and have no path to a qb.

Atocep 01-13-2026 03:43 PM

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Here's where I am with this team and as far as this exercise goes; what makes this an intriguing roster is it's not a text sim tear down and rebuild case. It's the easy path forward for us but there's absolutely no way it's a realistic scenario from a front office standpoint. You have a GM that managed survive a coaching change, some playoff roster ready pieces, and 9 picks in this draft while coming off a very strong 2025 draft class.

Add to the fact that you have the Watson contract, some pending free agents, and there are a few directions you could go in but tanking for a 2027 QB isn't realistic IMO. Andrew Berry is fighting for his job at this point and if he signed off on a full rebuild he's just signing off on his own firing after this season.

QB - Sanders and Gabriel graded out pretty similarly per PFF. Neither did well enough to move forward on building around but Sanders probably has the higher ceiling so I'd probably lean toward seeing if anyone is interested in Gabriel. The plan for Sanders would be to back up in 2026 and try to find someone with some upside to acquire.

RB - Judkins was looking like a workhorse and he's supposed to be fully healthy for 2026. Dylan Sampson was really solid as a receiving option out of the backfield. I think we can call this spot "good enough" for now or at least "not a priority".

WR - Not much here. Definitely a priority for the offseason. Isaiah Bond has elite speed but doesn't offer much other than go routes at this point. We're stuck with Judy here for 2026 for cap reasons. Everyone else could be replaced.

TE - Fanin is a legit building block. Njoku will be 30 and doesn't make sense to bring back with Fanin in place. Fanin is the better receiver and while not a good blocker by any means, he's better than Njoku. The play here is likely to get a blocking TE and another than can catch some passes.

Oline - Bitonio, Pocic, and Teller are free agents. All are in their 30s. We need to work on the line. Tevin Jenkins, who you may remember from this exercise with the Bears last offseason, is also a free agent and was solid enough to bring back on an incredibly team friendly deal if he's willing. Everyone else is replaceable.


Now we get into why there's no way a rebuild is realistic

Edge - Garrett and Alex Wright are elite

Defensive Interior - Mallek Collins is 30 but solid and on a reasonable contract. Mason Graham has a ton of potential and will be entering his 2nd year.

Linebacker - Devin Bush was elite and is a pending free agent. Carson Schwesinger is probably defensive rookie of the year. Jerome Baker is solid as a 3rd linebacker.

Corner - Denzel Ward is eating up a ton of space and isn't productive. Tyson Campbell is young and solid. Another spot that needs some attention.

Safety - Hickman and Delpit are both solid and young enough to keep around.

That's the number 2 graded defense per PFF and number 3 per FPI. It's not an old defense either and the only major contributor set to be a free agent is Bush. You can be a playoff team with this defense and a somewhat competent offense. Find a decent QB, some receivers, and an average OLine and this is a sleeper team for 2026.

As I said, this organization has long been a joke. 3 playoff appearances in their 26 year existence. They've had the top pick in the draft more times (4). It's time start building rather than rebuilding.

QuikSand 01-14-2026 01:27 PM

Okay, while we debate where we are situated/aiming for the 2026 season, a few things seem to be fairly in focus:

-Given our cap situation, we expect that most of our activity there will be fairly low-impact roster-fillers, 1-2y deals with marginal veterans here or there, and zero (or close to zero) "solve a long term roster problem with this signing" moves

-We've got a lot of draft capital, notably an extra first rounder, and that's the main tool we have this offseason to use to advance solutions to longer term weaknesses

-We agree that the top of our concern list is largely on the offense - QB, OL, and WR with the latter two being consensus concerns for a long-term infusion... and there are depth and weakness concerns elsewhere, like with any roster, but these feel the most acute

QuikSand 01-14-2026 01:31 PM

Atocep, I let my pee-eff-eff subscription lapse... would you be willing to share at least a perusal through what you see there?

I know in their assessments, the CB position is notoriously up-and-down year by year... are they behind your assessment that Ward "isn't productive," I assume?

Atocep 01-14-2026 01:56 PM

Offense and then defense are below, sorted by lowest to highest snap count because sorting on the PFF website gets weird.

Ward's average grade over the past 3 years is a 66. Not at all in line with what he's being paid and he did see a decent drop off in 2025. Not sure if that's a one off or a trend. That contract was bad when it was signed and hasn't aged well.

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JPhillips 01-18-2026 01:12 PM

Udinski, Jags OC, has a second interview scheduled.

Atocep 01-18-2026 02:42 PM

Everyone wants to find the next McVay but I don't feel like the hit rate on guys with 1 year of full OC experience and never being a playcaller is very high.

Atocep 01-19-2026 11:49 AM

So McDermott has to get a long look yeah?

albionmoonlight 01-19-2026 12:02 PM

I put McDermott in the same bucket as McCarthy. Instant high floor & credibility.

JPhillips 01-20-2026 09:43 AM

Saleh to the Titans looks done.

GrantDawg 01-20-2026 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3475086)
I put McDermott in the same bucket as McCarthy. Instant high floor & credibility.

Which would you rather? I don't know McDermott other than his teams have been fantastic for several years without being able to get over the hump.

QuikSand 01-23-2026 04:57 PM

Chatter seems to be that they/we are going to scuttle around with a Rooney Rule interview and then hire Udinski. After a couple high profile candidates said "no thanks" to even talking with them/us, I guess we have our guy. Presuming here that we/they will insist that the new offensive-minded coach keeps Schwartz running the defense. I concur with that.

JPhillips 01-23-2026 08:36 PM

I'm a little worried about our process, boys.

Quote:

The Browns are reportedly a “data-driven operation” and are requiring head coaching candidates to complete questionnaires, a multi-part essay, a personality test, and additional homework, per @TomPelissero

flere-imsaho 01-24-2026 09:16 PM

In the past there may have been some reasonable argument about whether FOFC could do better than a particular NFL franchise's front office, no matter how highly we think of ourselves, but it is without a doubt true in this case.

Bobble 01-25-2026 08:59 AM

If you squint and unfocus your eyes, can you see a starting quarterback in this picture?

QuikSand 01-26-2026 07:30 AM

Doesn't feel like there is any contingent here advocating to move up for Mendoza, but my guess is in the weeks ahead we will hear that as a local pressure... team desperately needs an identity and flicker of hope, we happen to have some extra draft capital and are already fairly close to the top, why not push in to get the B1G kid while it's right there and start the new era right away?

albionmoonlight 01-26-2026 08:45 AM

Rightly or wrongly, Mendoza does not, at this point, seem to have that Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams "Do Anything To Get This Guy" buzz.

If you have the #1 pick and need a QB? Sure, grab him and don't overthink it.

But I don't know if there will (or should?) be a clamor to sell the farm to get him.

JPhillips 01-26-2026 08:49 AM

I just can't see the Raiders taking any offer that we'd be willing to make. They need an identity for LV and starting with Mendoza mentored by Brady is damn near perfect for them.

But I agree that getting the QB settled is the primary piece of business for the franchise, just as it has been since they reformed from the ashes f the Ravens.

JPhillips 01-26-2026 11:44 AM

Rams passing game coordinator Nate Scheelhaase is apparently the frontrunner for the head coaching job.

QuikSand 01-26-2026 01:02 PM

Good news is our search for a Pro Bowl QB is now over!

QuikSand 01-26-2026 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3475561)
Rams passing game coordinator Nate Scheelhaase is apparently the frontrunner for the head coaching job.


At 82% on Kalshi

Danny 01-26-2026 01:43 PM

You all dont need Mendoza you already got a pro bowl quarterback

albionmoonlight 01-26-2026 02:12 PM

If we bring in Scheelhaase, then I really hope we've already convinced Schwartz to stay.

JPhillips 01-26-2026 02:26 PM

Sounds like they are going with a copy of Zac Taylor.

albionmoonlight 01-26-2026 04:57 PM

The "15 year old kid who walked by Sean McVay's house one time" is a very attractive model for a lot of owners.

QuikSand 01-28-2026 10:02 AM

From a PFF article on “one free agent each team cannot let get away” is this:

Quote:

Cleveland Browns: LB Devin Bush

Even though the Browns floundered again in 2025, the team’s defense ranked third in EPA per play and second in PFF overall grade. The unit boasted talent at all three levels, including Bush up the middle.

The former 10th overall pick has established a home in Cleveland. Over the past two seasons, Bush ranks fifth among qualified linebackers in both PFF overall grade (88.9) and PFF WAR (0.42). In 2025 alone, Bush finished in the top eight in both PFF coverage and run-defense grades at the position.

The Browns’ bet to re-sign Bush last offseason was a wondrous one. Expect Cleveland to do more of the same — on a presumably bigger deal — this offseason.

Atocep 01-28-2026 10:04 AM

Who knew Todd Monken was a good essay writer.

I'm intrigued by the hire. Not a guy I'd want my team to hire, but for an exercise like this I'm invested in seeing how it plays out.

albionmoonlight 01-28-2026 10:17 AM

There's a bit of "we fired Kevin Stefanski in order to rehire Kevin Stefanski" here.

But what's done is done.

Priority 1 now has to be keeping Schwartz on staff so the D can continue to be a strength of the team.

Atocep 01-28-2026 10:42 AM

One nice thing about Monken is he's shown a willingness to change his system to fit the talent. Stefanski was never willing to do that.

Danny 01-28-2026 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3475652)
There's a bit of "we fired Kevin Stefanski in order to rehire Kevin Stefanski" here.

But what's done is done.

Priority 1 now has to be keeping Schwartz on staff so the D can continue to be a strength of the team.


Hes apparently upset for being passed over for head coach and may want out.

bhlloy 01-28-2026 03:04 PM

Schwartz sounds like he’s gone. Not sure I really understand this hire of a guy whose star isn’t quite as bright as it has been, but I guess we weren’t ever picking from the tier A pool of candidates.

JPhillips 01-28-2026 04:10 PM

I like that Monken has been a very heavy run caller in Baltimore. The past three years the Ravens have been at the top for run attempts and at the bottom for pass attempts. I still think Love should be in the mix for round 1. Maybe a trade back and then pick him.

Senator 01-28-2026 04:25 PM

This is an interesting thread. It’s always fascinating to me how inept the ownership can be at the top level of sports.

JPhillips 01-28-2026 07:58 PM

The wording was a little confusing, but I saw a report that Haslem made the hire in contradiction to the recommendation of the GM.

QuikSand 01-29-2026 11:14 AM

The Athletic has a mock draft up:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/700...a-simpson-qbs/

Quote:

6. Cleveland Browns: Spencer Fano, OT, Utah
The Browns are starting over at head coach (again), and this feels like another situation that will not be very friendly toward a young QB, be it Shedeur Sanders, Dillon Gabriel or a new face. Cleveland still needs so much help offensively that it’d be smart to spend these precious assets on its core.

Fano is my favorite offensive lineman in the draft. He’s an outstanding athlete, with potential as a right or left tackle.

24. Cleveland Browns (from JAX): Denzel Boston, WR, Washington
Trying to land QB2 in this draft class (whether it’s Simpson or another prospect) should be on the table for Cleveland, either by trading up or sticking at 24 and hoping he falls. If that doesn’t work, though, landing Boston — a big receiver who runs like a smaller receiver (with great ball skills) — would be a fine alternative.

39. Cleveland Browns: Elijah Sarratt, WR, Indiana
Sarratt was one of Mendoza’s top targets during the Hoosiers’ championship run. He finished the season with 65 catches for 860 yards and a team-high 15 touchdowns. The talented receiver has good size (6-3, 213) and executes well out of his breaks, but his greatest strength is his hands. Just watch how he snagged multiple passes with Oregon defenders draped over him.

QuikSand 01-29-2026 02:40 PM

Incidentally, I remain perplexed by Carnell Tate getting so much love in mock drafts. He's definitely an "off the field worry" guy and maybe a massive head case. Which I'd overlook if I felt I was seeing truly elite physical talents, but... I don't really feel like he has shown that at tOSU. Maybe I'm missing it, but if this guy has a 30% chance of flaming out by being a bad person, I'm not sure I want to risk that with a top-5 pick, or for this thread, a pick at 1.6. Buckeye or not, Innocent or not, I'm dinging him.

QuikSand 01-30-2026 03:24 PM

Code:

My Draft Picks
7.
WAS
Spencer Fano
OT Utah
trade-icon
24.
CLE
Denzel Boston
WR Washington
39.
CLE
Emmanuel McNeil-Warren
S Toledo
70.
CLE
Connor Lew
OC Auburn
107.
CLE
Jaeden Roberts
OG Alabama
139.
CLE
Preston Hodge
CB Colorado
144.
CLE
Jack Endries
TE Texas
147.
CLE
Red Murdock
LB Buffalo
204.
CLE
Damonic Williams
DT Oklahoma
206.
CLE
Nadame Tucker
EDGE Western Michigan
248.
CLE
TJ Ferguson
OG Syracuse
2027 WAS 2nd


First CLE mock via Just a moment...

Danny 02-03-2026 07:00 PM

Did you all put Monken up ti publically insulting his own staff and one of the best coordinators in the game?

https://x.com/AndrewSiciliano/status...1_c10&ref_url=

QuikSand 02-05-2026 11:36 AM

Well, I guess to comment on the whole situation, I think if we were really in command, the plan would have been:

-Preference would be to keep Schwartz at DC, but if he finds a HC job good for him
-We communicate that preference to HC candidates, suggesting that it's not a line in the sand but we believe it could be a feature-not-bug for an offensive minded HC hire
-Hope to pull off the double and get the next big thing to juice up the O and keep the pretty good thing we had going for the D

I don't know where this will land in the space of a couple of years, but that would have been my preference at the outset of the staff process.

I don't have Monken as a choice, though it feels more high-floor than high-ceiling to me, and most, and... well, it's a little uninspiring, I feel. I'd rather be rolling with Scheelhaase and feel like "maybe this is IT finally," (again).

JPhillips 02-05-2026 12:31 PM

Yeah, the primary need, even before finding a QB, is getting everyone from owner to GM to coaches to be on the same page. They desperately need to all work together towards common goals.

QuikSand 02-05-2026 03:19 PM

NFL Salary Cap Space | Over The Cap

Not a very encouraging page. These calculations often seem to include some phantom money here and there, but it might be that we're treading in only the very shallow end of the free agent pool this offseason.

JPhillips 02-05-2026 05:24 PM

And there isn't much to be gained through cuts. The max savings from any cut is about 3.7 mil. I'm a firm believer that NFL teams can figure out how to spend whatever they want, but the obvious pathways aren't there for the Browns.

JPhillips 02-06-2026 08:48 AM

Should be a pretty easy assignment given this:

Quote:

The Browns over the last three years have had:

• Defensive Player of the Year (twice)
• Defensive Rookie of the Year
• Coach of the Year
• Assistant Coach of the Year
• Comeback Player of the Year

JonInMiddleGA 02-06-2026 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3476022)
Should be a pretty easy assignment given this:


AND a pro-bowl QB

albionmoonlight 02-06-2026 10:43 AM

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/20...161196394?s=20

Normally, when we do this exercise, I understand that for all of our high-level armchair GMing, we wouldn't really do a better job than the high-level professionals who actually run these teams.

But the Browns might be different.

Danny 02-06-2026 01:25 PM

Going from Stefanski and Scwartz to Monken and their new DC is almost certainly going to be a huge downgrade

QuikSand 02-06-2026 05:48 PM

https://x.com/sticktothemodel/status...k0QxGYTxadQwhA

Posting here… haven’t looked but seems fun

QuikSand 02-06-2026 06:57 PM

That site seems like a brilliant idea, but there are some big problems with their data set— like what players are worth in trade, or what free agents would demand.

JPhillips 02-07-2026 09:43 AM

Yeah I saw a Bengals guy trade Cedric Johnson and pick 188 for Jeffrey Simmons.

QuikSand 02-07-2026 03:47 PM



This guy is a bit clownish, but this post is fairly on point for a club like ours maybe seeking WR help.

QuikSand 02-07-2026 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3476059)
https://x.com/sticktothemodel/status...k0QxGYTxadQwhA

Posting here… haven’t looked but seems fun


Trying this out, with CLE, and just whistling past the too-good stuff like people lining up to trade us day two picks for marginal players. They have TE Njoku as a big-salary rather than expiring-salary guy, too (or maybe he's duplicated as both?)... will figure that out as best I can.

Summary Link?

Meh, poor execution of a super cool concept. Developer sounds like he's working actively on this, could come together to be nice.

albionmoonlight 02-10-2026 07:48 AM


albionmoonlight 02-10-2026 07:49 AM

The bills from the previous regime just keep coming due.

JPhillips 02-10-2026 08:45 AM

Looking at Over the Cap, they have a lot of money they can free up post June 1, but very little prior. I'm not recommending this, but the quickest path to cap room is a restructure of Watson's contract. They've only got about 8 mil in void money. I wonder if they could add a couple of void years with good sized payouts and have Watson accept.

Again, though, I don't think they should do that.

QuikSand 02-10-2026 09:25 AM

Every time we end up contemplating something that feels thoughtful, organized, and deliberate, it’s short lived. We apparently just need to keep in mind that what we are playing here is a sort of “house rules” dynasty, where all manner of factors are unfairly rigged against us to make the challenge even greater.

When we did this exercise with the New York Football Giants, we thought we were taking on a really serious challenge. Ah, those halcyon days, those innocent times.


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