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I did not realize that the US sprung ex nihilio and didn't have a colonial history prior to the War for Independence. I mean, Hell, it wasn't until the mid-1850s when non land owning white men in every state could vote. I wonder where the notions of only land owning white men should decide things came from? |
Using feudal times as an excuse to not work to keep our kids safe at school is an incredibly weak argument.
The facts are kids are getting killed at schools and we're averaging a school shooting every 2.5 days so far this year. Thats not acceptable and it needs to change. Shuttng down all discussion and refusing to budge on the issue is why it's going to be much worse for the nra and gun nuts when change does eventually happen. |
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I cant really answer. I dont own a gun, so maybe I wouldnt think anything about it. But I live where I live. So it is important. |
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But they had an opportunity to break out and make their own way. You know "Go West, young man"? People made their own ways. They were given the opportunity too. Play your whoa is me card all night. And that is why some people are where they are. They want the government to live their lives for them. But not everyone is built that way. Some people hike up their big boy pants and make something of themselves. |
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Only white, male landowners could vote. It was 6% of the population. Not much different from what you describe in the first paragraph. This is beside the point. Most of those other countries had similar revolutions and fought for similar rights. |
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How about we put unemployed veterans with guns in our schools? Arm them to protect our students. Takes care of 2 problems at once. |
Can't remember a school shooter who was able to get away. Crazy to think he could have done much more damage.
Also this has to be the most American thing ever. Mass murder some kids and then head over to McDonalds.
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This is really mythologizing bullshit. Not to mention "Go West, young man" was first coined about 75 years after the country's founding. The proof in the pudding is after 9/11 when people willingly gave up all sorts of freedoms, so to claim that fixing gun violence is too hard because the myth that the US was found on 'freedoms' is just complete nonsense. |
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I never said it would be too hard. I said I believe in freedom, Also, you mentioned the 1850s. And "Go West, young man" would have been coined in the 1850s, 75 years after the country was founded. |
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I think we may have different definitions of nationalism. To me, you are being nationalist. You are promoting the culture of your country, which you had no input in creating, no impact on the laws and really, no choice in being raised there. Yet, you are speaking from a mighty high perch down on us, that “all” we need to do totally change our culture and be more like you. To me, that’s like saying, “It’s obvious if Africans stop having sex AIDS will go away”. Sorry to be so harsh. Of course if things were better, things would be better. They are not, and unlike where you live, we have a traumatic epidemic on our hands that we all desperately want to stop. To not be nationalist would for you to see this a humanity problem and not just an American one with an easy fix. |
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There was an armed deputy on duty. Most schools have them these days. |
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I'm more confused as to why he first stopped at Subway, and THEN went to McDonalds. |
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Violent video games and movies exist in France... right? |
So ... uh... about school shootings. Are we stuck again? Just on to the next one?
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I'm wondering if he was trying to blend in. I had assumed they caught him around the campus but it's kind of crazy he was able to get around town. I wonder how they knew it was him. |
I'd actually like to see some "take all the guns" legislation pass just to watch a bunch of "cold, dead hands" people I know have to put up or shut up. The cognitive dissonance with their "Blue Lives Matter" positions would just be icing on the cake.
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And Japan |
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If only the person you kill would have had such type of justice... |
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Seems like he might have been bullshitting. Although that seems like a bad way to have the feds tear apart your house and confiscate your computers. Local law enforcement: No known ties between militia and school shooter |
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...'some people' were constitutionally prohibited from owning land or even residing within the state, by the local population, governance and legislation of those freedom loving Western states. https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/exclusion_laws/ Chinese Exclusion Act - Wikipedia Racial Restrictive Covenants |
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For some. Not for Asians, or women, or American Indians... So, for many it hasn't been 250 years of freedom.. Acknowledging that doesn't weaken our potential, but it does illuminate our past. |
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How a police officer captured the Parkland shooting suspect on the street Seems like a patrolling cop heard the shooter's description on the radio and randomly came across the shooter. |
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Did you have to take class, learn to drive, and get a license to own the cars you have? Are you required to have insurance on the cars you own? |
Sounds like someone did and his FBI didn't take it seriously. Parkland, Florida, school shooting: Nikolas Jacob Cruz's alleged YouTube comment, investigation today - CBS News |
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What an idiot, why would you buy a drink at Subway when McDonalds has $1 sodas...??? |
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Besides there already being armed security, good luck paying for that. School districts are already broke. Not to mention, you'd need extensive screening for PTSD and other combat-related disorders before you could even hire them. Not a solution when you really start looking at it. |
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I read somewhere where they said they couldn't find who posted the comments. Even though, you know, he used his real name as his username. |
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It wouldn't require much to figure it out. Google turns over that kind of information to the authorities. Heck, if he had an Android phone they could pinpoint exactly where he was when the post took place. Google keeps insane amount of info on its users. |
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Yep. Reminds me of the time I was with a group of people talking to someone who was ex-CIA. Someone mentioned the FBI. He snorted and said, "The FBI is a bunch of dumbasses who don't know shit and are lucky they don't trip over their own dicks." |
Sent $50 to Everytown today. Putting my money where my mouth is.
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Heartbreaking. Gina Montalto, 14, was a member of the Stoneman Douglas marching band's winter guard - Sun Sentinel |
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To be fair, moat Trogans think anyone with a UCLA degree is qualified to flip burgers and not much else, despite a better ranking. I'd take it with a grain of salt |
This one is really hitting me hard. Much harder than the KY shooting a little while ago. I'm angry, I holding my boys, who are in HS, longer than normal. I was talking with the Mrs this morning and I've always said that if I had to choose between the kids and my wife, I'd choose my wife, because she is my other half.
However, the strangest thoughts and feelings occurred to me today. I realized that if we were split apart and if something happened to one of us, leaving the other, we'd be completely crushed and heartbroken. I do feel like we'd be strong enough to move on and see life through though. On the other hand, if I lost one of my boys, in this way, I'm just not sure I'd be able to see another sunrise. It's a level of pain and anguish that I'm simply not prepared to deal with. The thought of it is like a knife in the heart. I just can't rectify this new change in how I feel. It really goes against my entire thought process thus far. |
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Yeah, I agree it hasn't been for 250 years for many groups that are non-white and male. However, I think that argument starts to dry up starting in the 70's and really, for the most part, irrelevant in the 00's. Is it perfect, no. But it is much better than before and a minority/lower class in US has a much better chance of doing well in the US vs their peers in other countries. |
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Yup, they have one in my wife's school. |
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Sure in a perfect utopian world. The reality is criminals will find a way to get weapons. Let's say the US starts with getting rid of guns in the hands of criminals first. Then make sure mentally unstable folks don't have guns. After 1 year of no murders by criminals or mentally unstable, then let's have the conversation about taking away weapons from law abiding citizens. Wouldn't this be a reasonable sequencing of events? The problem is not primarily, mentally stable, law abiding citizens. |
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Unfortunately, evidence points to the exact opposite: U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility | Economic Policy Institute “The State of Working America, 12th Edition” finds that policy-driven inequality has undercut low- and middle-income workers for past three decades | State of Working America "Income and wage inequality have risen sharply over the last 30 years. Income inequality has grown sharply since 1979, a fact that is universally recognized by researchers. The trends that have driven this growing inequality in overall incomes are growing concentration of both capital income (the returns to financial assets) and labor income (wages and benefits), as well as a shift from labor income toward capital income." |
There are a lot of very safe planes, and a lot of very safe pilots, but that doesn't mean that more and more regulations, constant safety analysis, training and awareness of common mistakes aren't actively saving lives every single year.
So just because we are a country of primarily law abiding citizens, doesn't mean that working to eliminate errors, enhance awareness, and change the current culture can't make it safer. |
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I could have, hell I may have wrote this same post after Sandy Hook. I can remember being deployed and sobbing uncontrollably as I watch the news coverage on AFN. I think that may be why I have arrived at a point of trying to look at this without any emotion whatsoever. It is not something that I can ignore with a wife who's a teacher and a son going to the same school. The thought of receiving that phone call or those texts leave from my wife and/or son leave me in a very dark place. |
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As a fairly extensive international traveler for business and personal, and having immigrated from a developing country, my personal experience tells me otherwise. I will do some additional research and see if I can come up with other studies to support my position. Honest question to better understand your background and perspective - how much travelling have you done internationally and to non-European countries? |
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Assume this was in response to my comment above. I actually agree. If you scan my previous posts, I am in full agreement for more gun control, training, education etc. Just don't eliminate my ability to have weapons if I am law abiding. |
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Very, very little. |
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Fair enough. Let me see what I can dig up. |
The biggest problem for minorities is the decades of wealth confiscation that has left them far behind equivalent white families. That gap can't be overcome in a decade or two.
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Famous, But Incompetent. Federal Bureau of Incompetence. Anyone who thinks the FBI is the pinnacle of law enforcement is not in law enforcement. |
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I guess the positives from this thread is that most of you guys have a pretty good grip of the situation. A few voices are holding you back and really complicating matters. Sadly I think there will be a lot more to come until these stubborn people are willing to admit drastic action needs to be taken. Just need to keep pointing overseas to similar western cultures where kids are not shooting each other. You can point to case studies overseas of disarming really curbing the problem quickly. Although I don't think it is a matter of educating the ignorant. These people just want to keep their guns. I think maybe some people are just so selfish that until one of their own is killed they will continue to think about themselves. Hopefully in time the majority can overcome the few.
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That's a really bad idea jeans level idea. Maybe if you screen the hell out of them, but otherwise hell naw. |
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