Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE
 

This game will be more complicated than the previous one, but if any of the new players enjoyed St. Cronin's excellent game then you may well enjoy a more full blooded one even more. There will be more roles and everyone will need to be involved to the end, as opposed the rigid run through of major suspects in order that basic games usually turn into during the last 2 or 3 days. Also, any players who haven't played before are more than welcome to make a debut in this game also. Some say it's best to not mess around and jump straight in the deep end anyway.

The game is tentatively slated to start on this coming Tuesday, the 30th August. The date may be pushed back if numbers are not forthcoming, or possibly even brought forward if interest is high and the players agree to do so (I am looking for around 16-18 players, although more are always welcome). Day lynch deadlines will be 9pm EST with the night running through until 9am EST (advance orders for night actions will always be accepted and can have conditional orders contained also) although may be subject to change with advance notice from the GM. Day lynch deadlines will not take place on Saturday or Sunday unless voted for by a majority of active players.

The Master of the Administratum - Fouts
The Inquisitor General of Ordo Hereticus - SirFozzie - Killed Night 2, Loyal Human
The Inquisitor General of Ordo Malleus - GoldenEagle
The Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum - Greyroofoo - Executed Day 6, Loyal Human
The Fabricator General of the Adeptus Mechanicus - st.cronin - Killed Night 6, Loyal human
The Grand Provost Marshal of the Adeptus Arbites - kingfc22
The Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators - Saldana
The Master of the Astronomican - twothree - Killed Night 4, Loyal Human
The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum - bulletsponge - Executed Day 4, Loyal Human
The Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica - Anxiety - Executed Day 3, Chaos Acolyte
The Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes - path12 - Killed Night 3 - Mutant
The Prince-Primate of the Holy Synod - AlanT - Killed Night 5, Loyal Human
The Lord Commander Millitant of the Imperial Guard - Blade - Resurrected Day 6
Primarch of the Space Wolves - BrianD
Primarch of the Ultramarines - Chief Rum - Killed Night 7, Mutant
Primarch of the Dark Angels - Mustang - Executed Day 5 -- GHOST
Primarch of the Blood Angels - Swaggs
Primarch of the Black Templars - Real Deal - Executed Day 1, Loyal Human

Introduction

This game will be based on the tabletop miniture wargame Warhammer 40,000, hereby WH40k or 40k. 40k is an offshoot of the original Warhammer Fantasy Battles game which is probably more well known and widely played, but in truth is really, really, really boring. WH40k however is not only better in a game mechanic sense but its biggest hook (for me) is a stupendously rich setting that I genuinly feel is the best sci-fi setting ever created. Better than Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune, Blade Runner, everything. WH40k is a huge universe, but this game only focuses on a specific region, a specific conflict and a specific time of the WH40k universe, so encyclopedic knowledge of the setting will not be neccessary to take part. The information I provide should be more than enough for even someone with no knowledge at all of WH40k to take an active and enjoyable role and I will also be more than happy to answer any questions based on the setting from the players (within the bounds of common sense GM restriction of course).

The Warhammer 40,000 Universe

The universe of WH40k can be loosely described as 'dystopian gothic science-fiction', think Star Wars meets 1984 meets the Dark Ages. The bloated Imperium of Man rules with an iron fist over an incalcuable number of star systems with The Emperor at its head, a godlike figure of worship for his citizens, desperatley kept artificially 'alive' for centuries on end for fear of what may happen if he dies. The Imperium is unashameadly facistic, rampantly xenophobic, irrevocably corrupt and technologically stagnant. Its enemies from the outside are many, the alien hive-like hunting creatures the Tyrannids, the monsterous barbaric species named Orks and others, but perhaps the most dangerous is the Chaos. The Chaos are a collection of Daemon Gods who inhabit the Warp, a kind of subspace acessible only to navigators who use it to pilot their ships, who prey on the emotions and stimuli of living flesh. They corrupt souls and bend them to their own demands, feeding on their anguish and burning hatred. As such, although Chaos does posses armies of Daemon warriors, Chaos cannot be combated in the same fashion as the Imperiums other enemies. Many of the elite genetically enhanced Space Marine super soldier legions sent to combat the forces of Chaos have themselves become corrupted and turned on the Imperium. 10,000 years ago, the first of these great Heresys, lead by the Emporer's favourite and most trusted general, Horus, almost ripped the Imperium in two, a shock in truth it has yet to recover from. It is this event that the game is based on and named after.

This post will be general WH40k information about the setting in a non-game related sense and will be updated throughout the game as people ask questions and as notice things fit to add. The next post will provide more detailed specifics about the actual game mechanics.

The hordes of Chaos brought to Terra by the traitorus Space Marine Horus wreaked horrendus damage on our world, none more so than to the Emperor himself. He was fataly wounded in combat and now is totally dependant on a hideous contraption known as the Golden Throne, a garish machine that feeds him as it drains the life from the thousands of human souls that are 'processed' through it every day. The Emperor must survive, for without him the Imperium itself will fall. His spirit gives us discipline, our dilligence to him gives us salvation, our faith in him gives us strength. The unquestioned faith in the Emperor is the sole thread that strings together the miasma of systems in the Imperium. It is for this reason Chaos will stop at nothing in ending his existence. It is for this reason we must sacrifice our life for his.

Several thousand years have passed since the Chaos forces were repelled from Terra itself, but the war still rages as fiercely as ever. The players are members of the High Lords of Terra, the council formed to rule the Imperium and conduct the war effort in the Emporer's stead whilst he is 'recuperating'. The council is made up of the following positions:

The Master of the Administratum is the head bureaucrat of the Imperium and perhaps the most powerful High Lord on the council. In matters of great debate, the Master of the Administratum will often place the deciding vote and the other High Lords agree to abide by his wish. The Administratum's gargantuan task is the assesment and organisation of all planets in the Imperium, a most difficult task as planets are captured and lost at a far greater rate than they can be processed.

The Inquisitor General of Ordo Malleus is in charge of prosecuting the ever lasting hunt for Chaos agents and sympathisers in the Imperium. He is the man ultimatley responsible for the action of the feared Inquisitor teams, ruthless zealots who are a lethal cross between magistrate and executioner.

The Inquisitor General of Ordo Hereticus is a recently established position, but has gained tremendous power in such a rapid time. Since the intial sweep of Chaos through the Imperium, many hideous mutated creatures have manifested themselves. Whether they are corrupted by Chaos or simply an after-effect of its presence is immaterial, they must be destroyed. The Ordo Hereticus is the mutant hunting equivilent of the Ordo Malleus.

The Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum is the head of huge religious apparatus that has built up around the myth of the Emporer's achievements. Whilst the Emperor was alive many on the council saw such worship as a humourus delusion of the masses, but now all believe, or suffer the consequences. There are many variations of worship that the Eccelsiarchy tolerates, as long as the cult promotes the three pillars the Imperium: adherence to duty, obedience to authority and thankfullness to the Emperor.

The Fabricator General of the Adeptus Mechanicus resides on the factory world of Mars, producer of the fleets and armies of the Imperium. Almost all of the Imperium's advanced technology is based on designs thousands of years old from the Golden Age, the time before the Chaos came. The origins, and indeed explainations for how any of it works, of much of the Imperiums designs have been lost for thousands of years, creating an almost cultish belief in the 'magic' of the 'Techpriests' who construct the arcane devices on Mars. As head of the Adeptus Mechanicus, the Fabricator General is responsible for the workings of the Emperor's Golden Throne life support machine. Others know what little they need to fulfill their singular task in its operation, but the Fabricator General is the sole individual who understands the entire process.

The Grand Provost Marshal of the Adeptus Arbites is in charge of Terra's huge and unwieldy police force. Whilst there is no universal galactic law as such, the Adeptus Arbites enforces general principles throughout the Imperium, often ruthlessly. Crime on Terra itself is a major problem in the underdwellings, but left largely unchecked as long as it does not penetrate the higher levels and bother those who truly matter.

The Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators is the elected representative of the Navigator's guild and therefore is de facto in charge of intra-Imperium commerce and trade. Whilst not technically under the Imperium's control, the Navigator's guild and the Imperium generally have the same goals at heart, namely stability, so have established a working relationship, the Paternoval Envoy being the liason officer.

The Master of the Astronomican is repsonsible for the huge galactic monitoring device known as the Astronomican. Allegedly built by the Emperor himself, the Astronomican registers activity in the Warp that may precursor any activity by Chaos. As such, it is perhaps humanity's most important weapon in the fight against the daemon entities.

The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum is feared amongst the other High Lords and with good reason. Assasaination squads typically have to be approved by the council before being deployed, either in combat operations or 'special duties', but previous Grand Masters have been known to use the resources under their commands to serve their own goals discreetly.

The Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica heads the barely tolerated organisation of psykers and telepaths that are attached to Imperial units in the field and operate in the various departments. Only a small number of humans have the potential for psychic power, but those that do are taken by the Imperium and trained as valuable tools to serve the Emperor. Still, psykers are almost universally distrusted in the Imperium and conversely psykers are always weary of the motives of any 'blunt' they deal with.

The Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes operates the vast prision ships that orbit Terra. As the Adeptus Arbites and Inquisitor teams often have neither the time nor the patience for trials, suspects are often jailed indefinitley at the first hint of any possible transgression. This has lead to a huge prison population, who would be disposed of except for the contribution they can make in menial labour and as souls to be consumed by the Golden Throne.

The Prince-Primate of the Holy Synod 'enforces' belief in the Emporer's unquestioned divinity amongst the masses. Whilst the Inquisitors deal with extra-human threats, the Prince-Primate deals with humans who are sceptics, rationalists and other dangerous thinkers.

The Lord Commander Millitant of the Imperial Guard is effectively the Chief of Staff for the the Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy. He is the man held ultimately responsible for the war on Chaos and other threats, but due to the sheer vastness of the Imperium, in actuality he has little control over operations.

The Primarchs of the Space Marines are the leaders of the various Space Marine legions, known as Chapters. These genetically enchanced super soldiers are the elite shock troops of the Imperium and operate largely independantly of the rest of the military, with entirely seperate command structures and recruitment procedures. Each Chapter's structure is headed by a Primarch, who caries the original gene from which all the marines in a Chapter are derived from. The majority of the Chapters are fighting on the front lines against various enemies, but they are rotated so that at ony one time as many as seven or eight Chapters could be in Terra undergoing R&R and whilst they are undergoing refit, their Chapter leaders are invited to sit on the council with the High Lords.


In Werewolf 40,000 there are three factions, the Imperium, the Mutants and
the Chaos.

The council holds a vote every day, with the member recieveing the highest number of votes being executed and his soul consumed by the Golden Throne to feed the Emperor.

The Chaos win when their number are on a 1:1 ratio with all non-Chaos players. At this point, they overwhelm the other members of the council and strom the Emperor's chamber, forcibly removing him from the Golden Throne and hence killing him and crippling the Imperium.

The Chaos are led by one Chaos Daemon Lord who has taken human form and is impersonating a member of the council. He is joined by several acolytes, humans who have turned their back on the Imperium either for personal greed and delusions of reward or because the Chaos has corrupted them. The Chaos players may PM each other freely throughout the game and each night attack a player in their quarters, killing them.

The Mutants win if the Imperium defeats Chaos and they still have at least one of their number alive at the end of the game. At this point they will have enough of a proportion of the council to push through new doctrine declaring Mutation no longer an amboniation.

The mutants are 'led' by a Mutant Psyker who has gained some rudimentary psychic powers. He can contact the other mutants in the game by sending out one PM per night. He does not know the idendity of the other mutants, but has a chance of discovering the identity of one every time he sends a night message. The other Mutants know the identity of the Mutant Psyker but not of each other.

The Imperium wins a major victory if the eliminate both Chaos forces and the Mutants by the end of the game. They recieve a minor victory if they vanquish the Chaos, but there are still Mutants remaining.

Various players posses roles which may or may not break any of the rules mentioned in this section. This game is left intentionally unlcear at the beginning, but certain roles have the ability to piece together the game as play progresses.

PMs with roles despcriptions will be sent out on Monday. Players can paraphrase any PMs they recieve from the GM, but may not directly quote from them. The game will start on Day 1.

In

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Time to make my return to WW after a couple games off.

in, my belly still isnt full from eating villagers last time. i think Chief rum and i will get more attention this game.

why not :)

In please.

Just don't kill me if I'm your ally again, k thx ;)

I'm up for another game.

With school starting, I best sit this one out.

i promise nothing

I'll play

must... not... get... sucked in..

Just sign her up and give her a role.

In.

Ditto. Going on vacation next week and will have plenty of free time to try to understand wtf is going on.

Of course I don't want to be the dork with a laptop on the beach...

in

i hate being out early it feels like forever before the next game starts.

gonna have to sit this one out, moving next weekend and probably won't have internet for a few days at best.

Villager checking in.

In. Taking the plunge in the deep end after watching the parnoid villagers stake themselves to a loss in the previous WW thread.

AWWW CRAP, WERE DOOMED!!!! DOOOOOOMMMMEEEEEDDDD!!!!

in :D

lol

Nah, I'm sitting this one out. If the other game was easy, this one will drive me even more nuts.

I'll sit on the sideline and be taking notes. Good luck everyone!!

I am a villager as well.

Do not seek the treasure, I repeat do not seek the treasure.

I haven't played since the first couple of WW games, but I'll jump in if there is room.

Welcome back, evil wizard!

Only sometimes. ;)

I thought it said Werewolf:Hershey Highway.

Haven't done one of these in a while, and I'm in the mood again. Sign me up.

i might add that all the blood you sucked out of your victim made you extra juicy

Awwww come on Binky, it's not THAT bad... *laughs*

Hmm.. A 40K twist.. Since I play 40K I'll have to ask to be included on this one if there is room still.

I can't play this round - too busy with training and such.

Actually, on second thought, I can play (I didn;t look at the start date) - so count Abe in

IN

Wow, another big game.

FYI, he said the start date could be moved up.

Yeah, and as long as it isn't, i'm good to go. But if you guys do want to start early, I'll have to bow out.

Really? I thought Anxiety tasted funny.

And by the way, normal people DON'T SLEEP IN COFFINS!!!!

It's okay, the option of moving it up was just that, an option. I have no qualms keeping it for a Tuesday start.

Just typing the rules up now.

Rules posted.

I don't think Daddytorgo will be able to play after all :)

Due to some lousy moderation decisions, Daddy Torgo will not be partaking in this WW thread.

See what happens when im not a moderator any more? And to think you were all soooo happy

:p

I hope I'm the head of the White Scars chapter...

chicks dig guys on bikes.

Since roles haven't been assigned yet, I have a general strategy question for everyone regarding the Imperium victory conditions.

The Imperium wins a major victory if they eliminate both Chaos forces and the Mutants by the end of the game. They recieve a minor victory if they vanquish the Chaos, but there are still Mutants remaining.

If you were a non-chaos, non-mutant, imperium member, and during the end game, you and your fellow imperium member believed you had the last chaos member identified would you:

Vote to excute him in order to attempt a minor victoy, or hold off on excuting him in order to excute all the mutants you could find first, so that you could attain a major victory.

Also, another question to ponder, what happens if all the mutants had already been eliminated, but the imperium members did not know this when they were getting ready to execute the supposedly last chaos member? How long do you hold off attempting that last execution while hunting for mutants among your numbers, when there may not be any more mutants?

As a beginner taking the plunge into a werewolf game, have I already been corrupted by chaos. Or, is the obvious answer to just kill anyone you believe (or have been led to believe :D ) is not on your side.

uggg Vote twothree

uggg what? Roles haven't even been passed out.

That's unfortunate about DaddyTorgo, an early casualty already I see...

Bump. Still time to sign up if anyone is interested.

I'm ready! Lets get roles out and start this puppy up! I need something to entertain me today!

me too, i wanna be a wolf again!

Sorry about the delay everybody, the role PMs are being sent out now. Play starts whenever you are all ready. An official short opening post will be put up after the last role has been sent.

I am here. I am going to have a busy couple of days on Tues. and Weds. (especially Tues), but I will do my best to be here a little bit each day.

I just read post #3 with all of the descriptions and wow. This one is going to have a bit of a learning curve, I suspect.

The whole council was aghast as GoldenEagle leant over the body of DaddyTorgo in the central grand hall of the Council of the High Lords of Terra.

"This is Chaos flesh. And his stench is not that of some pathetic minion, but a Lord."

Everyone was taken aback. Firstly at the rapidity of which GoldenEagle had acted upon entering the chamber, immediatley drawing and fining his bolter pistol at DaddyTorgo before he had a chance to react. Secondly, at the severity of the situation. A Chaos Lord infiltrating the very walls of the Council of the High Lords!

"And I can assure you, as true as the Emperor is strong, there is another among us. I smell him."

"I concur," piped up Twothree "everything we know matches up so far. The spike in the Astonomican was too large for a single Chaos Lord, there must be at least one other here with us."

And so the hunt was launched. Chaos had at last suceeded in infiltrating the highest authority in the Imperium with not one, but two, at least!, of it's most devoted followers. They must be eliminated. For if they are not, then man shall fall.

The members of the council and their positions are as follows:

The Master of the Administratum - Fouts
The Inquisitor General of Ordo Hereticus - SirFozzie
The Inquisitor General of Ordo Malleus - GoldenEagle
The Ecclesiarch of the Adeptus Ministorum - Greyroofoo
The Fabricator General of the Adeptus Mechanicus - st.cronin
The Grand Provost Marshal of the Adeptus Arbites - kingfc22
The Paternoval Envoy of the Navigators - Saldana
The Master of the Astronomican - twothree
The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum - bulletsponge
The Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica - Anxiety
The Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes - path12
The Prince-Primate of the Holy Synod - AlanT
The Lord Commander Millitant of the Imperial Guard - Blade
Primarch of the Space Wolves - BrianD
Primarch of the Ultramarines - Chief Rum
Primarch of the Dark Angels - Mustang
Primarch of the Blood Angels - Swaggs
Primarch of the Black Templars - Real Deal



Deadline for the lynch on Day One is Tuesday, 9PM EST

Interesting. I need to review the rules more I suppose

Im good and Im checking in.. not sure how everyone else's roles fit in with mine, so going to reread back up

I'll have to put my faith behind twothree that he is not representing Chaos.. I can not imagine that if he was part of Chaos that he would have verified that the astronomican indicated a larger Chaos presence so willingly...

As the Master of the Astronomican, I take full responsibility for allowing the Chaos Lords to infiltrate our council's grand hall. I was on my way to report the spike that registered in the Warp, but as you can see I was not fast enough.

Let me remind you that the Astronomican may be our best weapon in the fight against the remaining Chaos Lords. And, I have started an immediate investigation into the possibilities of using the Astronomican to detect the presence of the daemons among us.

wolf checking in

I might just vote for you to get rid of the wolf icons.

Interesting that everyone's title is out there.

Nooo poor wolfies


hmmm, maybe i should test my assassins out on someone

yea, when i read my role i got excited, then i found out everyone knows it. i have a feeling ill be dead soon

Yeah, I figure either myself or one of the two Inquisitor General will not make it past the first night action. Unless the night actions are restricted on the first night.

(cowers in front of bulletsponge)

Why would we suspect The Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum as a Lord of Chaos? You have served the emperor loyally for many years.

I agree.

(this is WH 40K knowledge here)

The Navigator's Guild and the Master of Astronomican. The two guilds that have the most contact with the Warp, the stuff of Chaos. As the leader of the guild that hunts down and eliminates heretics, Chaos and mutants, while I have no personal reason to distrust Saldana and twothree.. will need to keep an eye on you.

Remember, if anyone wants anything clarified or explained further, in regards to game mechanics, their role or just the general WH40k setting, then they can either post in the thread or PM me and I'll be happy to oblige.

It looks like I am in charge. Let me assure you, I cannot be bribed. ;)

Ok, wrong game. I expect all reports on my desk by 8pm sharp!

I am here to faithfully serve the Emperor.

Let's kick the discussion off. Who needs protecting most? I have a two person high security cell for use at night.

Offhand I believe st cronin is the only one who knows the entire procedure for keeping the Emperor alive and it seems to me would be a prime candidate for security. I have to go through the roles again but want to get anybody elses thoughts about protection and who most needs it.

One caveat upon rereading the role. It may be the case that the two in the cell can interact with each other, so obviously caution will be needed. Do we know if mutants can convert? If not, then we would only have to worry about putting Chaos in the cell with non-Chaos.

Well there are 18 of us, so what do we figure? 14-2-2 or 12-3-3?

The Chaos win if they get to 1:1, which includes mutants. For the chaos it would be 16-2 or 15-3. These numbers make me believe there are (at least) 3 chaos members.

Also, conversions don't seem to fit in with the ruleset to me. We (the Imperium) would like to eliminate both chaos and mutant. 12-6 seems like alot, but more likely since we don't have to eliminate mutants.

12-3-3 sounds about right to me. And I agree that conversions sound unlikely at that ratio, but I was wondering if anyone knew for sure. It sounds from the setup that there are many of us with different bits of knowledge that we're going to have to piece together.

I don't know this setting at all BTW, so I may have some questions as we go along.

checking in

Man, I am the leader of a chapter of super-marines, and I can't kill anything? That sucks. :)

Well, hopefully I kill something in one of tanglewood's end of day-night scenarios.

Seriously, I will have to review the roles to determine who deserves a vote. IMO, selecting the position of the player to vote out might be more important in this game than the WW history of the player playing that role.

Agreed. Like the spawn game, we need to make sure we aren't killing off somebody that has some information we need later in the game.

Considering you have the same colors as the Indianapolis Colts.. you can't kill anything.. they can't win anything. :D

Ouch, Mustang. Nice

I hate to have to leave so early on these days. Once again, I will be leaving for work, and I have no access to the site until late tonight, after working both jobs. Stupid Tuesdays. :(

That means I have to vote now, before I can properly consider the ramifications of everything in the vote. Well, take that into consideration, then, because my vote has little backing to it. I decided to select the most proven veteran amongst the Primarchs (the weakest of the roles, I assume). Sorry, Charlie. I'm sure it will change in future days when I have more to go on.

VOTE SWAGGS

I don't know if it is this way for the other Primarchs, but at least for me, I cannot be killed at night. In other words, I can only be lynched. Someone should scan me early in the game, so I can be confirmed as a safe guy. If so, then we will have a leg up from early on.

I have a strong feeling others have a similar ability to not being able to be killed at night too.. but I don't think its a good idea to give that information out just yet honestly. The Hypothetical people who can't be killed at night -want- an attack on them, since it wastes a night action by the bad guys.

I'm also checking in while I re-read all of the roles and the setting info. Please note that Space Wolves are nothing like Werewolves. We kick ass, but we don't eat it.

Yeah I realize that, but I also realized that if I waited until later to give this info, it would not be as credible as if I came out with it up front. Like I said, if I am scanned early, then it gives the good guys a confirmed good guy early in the game which is useful.

Day 1 vote, don't have much to go on for mostly anyone.

Vote bulletsponge

Said at the end of last game, next time he was a wolf he wanted to just come out openly saying he was a wolf and see if he could last out in the open. So far he's been doing that this game, so might as well vote for him without anyone else to choose.

these roles are complicated.

hehe, just for that vote you get this

I'll have a vote later on today.

On the question of who to protect, I'm thinking twothree might be important. If he can detect Chaos activity, he may also be able to find them before they strike.

I'm going to keep my eye on SirFozzie. The Inquisitor General of Ordo Hereticus would be a perfect place for an infiltrator to land....plus I've still got a grudge against him for (rightly) knocking me out of an earlier game. :)

i always wanted to say this.....Paternoval Envoy checking in :)

just fyi, my work schedule is a bit screwy this week because one of the people in my office is on vacation. as a result, i wont be around in early afternoon, but should have no problem around the deadline

that said...i am going to deviate from my normal vengance on day one plan and vote for someone who has already set the Imperium back with a foolish reveal that has already cost us an asset.

vote realdeal

[quote=BrianDI'm going to keep my eye on SirFozzie. The Inquisitor General of Ordo Hereticus would be a perfect place for an infiltrator to land....plus I've still got a grudge against him for (rightly) knocking me out of an earlier game. :)[/QUOTE]

For once, I think we're on the same side. At least I hope we're on the same side...

VOTE CHIEF RUM

That piture is just too priceless, chief deserves to die if thats what he looks like.

you just want to vote for him because he escaped you last game ;)

I dont know what your talking about :rolleyes: :p

We'll see about that. :)