Taking the Covid-19 vaccine
 

I'm on record saying I would not be first in line but wait after the initial wave and see if there are any big side effects (e.g. zombie apocalypse).

However, with Biden, reassurances from Fauci & Pharma CEOs and honestly, just being f**king tired of it all, I may just be first in line.

What are your thoughts?

First in line is relative, right? I assume someone else will be deciding who is first in line so that most of us will have plenty of time to see how it plays out before we get our chance.

True, but I'm not changing the poll now :)

Day 1 it is available for me. I trust our scientists and FDA.

I voted third month or later, but that's mostly due to the fact that I doubt very much I'll be able to afford it. If I could/can I would take it sooner.

I thought I read it's going to be free?

Day 1

I'm hoping since our IT department has been identified as essential personnel and we haven't teleworked since June that we'll be first in line with the Doctors and Nurses in our hospital, but I doubt it.

It’ll be interesting to see the take up, as the current reports are while the vaccines do largely protect you, they don’t necessarily stop transmission. So effectively the opposite of masks...

Will be an interesting insight into the level of respect modern society has for our fellow citizens if vaccine take up is significantly higher than mask wearing

If so, I'll get it sooner simply as doing my part as a citizen to get past the pandemic. But I'll believe the free part when I see it. I expect it to be subsidized to the point where more people can afford it, but I haven't read free anywhere.

ETA: I am technically an 'essential worker', so that could impact when I have access as well.

The polling I've seen shows a strong correlation between the two. What people say and what they do may be different, but I expect that relationship to hold. If anything, I think vaccination will be lower.

As soon as I can. I am an "essential worker" so I have been working in public since day 1. I have been super lucky not to catch it so far (with my underlining conditions, I would be at serious risk).

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I'd go right away. No worries. Whenever it happens to be my turn, but I hope my mom and my oldest son get it faster than I do, because they are higher risk.

I don't see an option that works for me.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer in the sense that term is typically used. I'm ardently anti-needle however, as well as anti-vaccines-that-cause-symptoms to a lesser extent

So I don't anticipate taking it, ever, but I don't feel like that answer is covered by the choices (I'm not saying you should have included another option, I'm just explaining why I ain't answering the poll)

First month, as I ain't going through the crush of people during the initial week. I'll make sure my mom gets it though.

Gimme gimme gimme. I need to get home to see family and just not be stuck in front of a computer and TV for 18 hours a day.

Prizes can't be outrageous, unless there are more 'markups' (in addition to shipping and doctors fees, which i assume will be subsidized) am not aware of. Pfizer comes out at 20 per dose (getting 2 is ideal) and that includes them installing/paying for logistics, Moderna is at 15 for the first order for the US.

Vaccines traditionally are cheap compared to medication, part of why they are an afterthought for big companies (that and it making medication obsolete ...)

As a teacher, I would hope I'd be Day 1. I would take it anyway.

If it causes a zombie apocalypse, would you rather be a zombie now or later?

No way to rebuild society in our life time if we have that.

Anyway, 1st day. I am high risk and "essential".

So I just got an email from the VA that begins as follows:

Our study center is currently taking part in a clinical research study called the ENSEMBLE Study, conducted on behalf of Janssen Vaccines & Prevention B.V. The main goal of this study is to see if an investigational vaccine can prevent Coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19, in adults.

I never get the flu shot so I doubt I'll get this one either but I'm undecided at the moment. Give it to all those who really need it, essential workers and those who are at high risk.

This is a very well-reasoned take on the zombie concerns.

I'll take it as soon as I reasonably can. I won't wait in long lines, or take it when all high-risk people haven't gotten the chance yet, but, as soon as I reasonably can after that, I'm in. My girlfriend will likely end up with it much sooner as an essential worker. If household members of essential workers are higher up on the list, I'll probably partake since those doses would have been allocated for that purpose. But I have no safety concerns.

I'm expecting the policy in the Netherlands to be that people working for the kind of organization I work for will be second in line, probably not first in line, but definitely not third in line, which presumably means we'll be forced to wait 6 months or so. Vaccination is free here (but only on paper, we all have expensive health care assurances).

Thankfully, it appears that they followed the correct process in getting it out.

Like molson, I'm not gonna try and take it before essential workers/high risk folks get it or stand in line for 12 hours. But as soon as it is generally available for me, I'm in.

Me too. I hope my wife and father get it before me, as they both have risk factors. But I will get it promptly when it becomes available to me.

We were so lucky that the upper management in the place I work took the decision out of the hands of local IT management.

SI

not zombies, but praying mantises and cronenbergs

But, I mean, that's literally how vaccines work?

Symptoms are an immune response from your body, whether it's to the Live Big Bad or to the vaccine. The vaccine trains your body to recognize the Big Bad and respond to it, which means...symptoms. Maybe you get mild symptoms, maybe you get heavier ones.

But if you don't get any at all, that's probably a sign of no immune response, which means the vaccine didn't do fuck all for you.

People are going to be surprised how many NHS health workers will deline in the UK. My wife is a middle manager in the NHS and it is clear younger staff in particular have concerns. No concerns over short term sides, it is the long term. A vaccines often takes 10 years, sometimes longer before it is released. It has been known that 5, 6, 7 years in it shows to increase cancer of specific types, or cause other complications.

I'd rather take my chances with the flu -- every year -- than with stupid flu shot guaranteed to give me symptoms. Never taken one, never will. I don't even fuck with that shit even with a nasal spray option.

I would like to read more about this if you can share links?

The only thing I was able to find is below.

400 Bad Request

1) those long periods are largely down to procedure and quite simply money, not the actual length of studies.

2) that sort of Statement needs to be backed up with sources that actually show that. Because as far as i know that's a myth akin to the autism one. Mostly in connection to some old vaccine from the 50s and with very flimsy evidence to boot. More recently linked by some conspiracy nuts to HPV vaccination, likely generating from the fact that the actual virus is associated with a higher risk at developing some types of cancer (and is almost the exclusive cause of cervical cancer).

Another common BS 'argument': Cancers are on the rise big time and vaccines are more frequent, how can that be coincidence ? Yeah, right ...

But all of those are not even that comonly made compared to other theories, so your "it is known" bit seems doubly weird.

Also, there isn't anything actually in these currently developed vaccines that could conceivably induce cancer, period. There's liptids to stabilize the RNA (and which have been tested for a long time) and the RNA itself which a) is mimiking one specific protein of this specific virus and b) both are dissolved within days and do not enter the cell core.

That's about it. It's a huge safety advantage that they don't need a 'booster substance' and aren't interacting with the cell core.

I have never had any symptoms or problems with the flu shot. The pneumonia shot on the other hand. My arm hurt so bad I thought it was going to fall off.

Our kid has had issues with the flu mist making him stuffy for a week plus. Never had issues with the shot variety.

SI

Hey, I don't claim to be an expert. The wife meets with virologists, and other so called experts once in a blue moon. Naturally, over tea these sort of things come up in conversation. Vaccines are tested for years but don't make it as bad things come up in testing years down the line. They never hit the market as they don't pass the testing protocols.

No links, haven't searched google. Just took what she said at face value. I will bow to her judgement, she advised our parents to get the vaccine. Our daughter not to have it if offered. She is currently on the fence about having it, remaining open minded to genuine experts in the field who do not have a vested interest either way.

That's again not really how it works. The actual testing isn't really years and years, just spread out into 3 phases one after the other because of the financial risk mostly (and in between each phase you do reviews and often look for new funding, build up production capacity , search for volunteers etc) and if they run a tad longer that is not because of safety testing but because it takes longer for enough people to catch the disease when there's no pandemic going on with lots of transmission.
Since money is not an issue here with guarantee offers and funding en masse they are done overlappingly. And many if not most get pulled because they simply don't work not because of side effects discovered after years of testing.

That's not exactly trade secrets.

Do you work in the field? You seem pretty certain. I am itching to discuss this with the other half, but she gets sick of talking about it. When she is in the right mood I will bring it up. She is in no way an expert in vaccines, I will double check what she said to me came from a reliable source.

I understood that whether they work or not is decided quite quickly, rather than far down the line. If you are a professional in the field I won't doubt what you say though.

I do also recall her saying £670k has been spent on a PR company to sell this vaccine to the public. Rightly or wrongly I don't take what I see and hear on tv, or even read, as gold.

Certainly her fear factor of Covid19 is not high. Complications in healthy people is so rare than she hasn't encountered it in our large town. There have been a few hundred cases. At worst comparable to a bad flu where you may be ill and off work for 2 weeks, but feel like shit for a month. Many people have the antibodies but don't get ill at all. It would be fair to say the virus has been over sold, to get us to comply. A real risk to older people, very contagious, but just bad flu at worst to healthy young people. Of course when you get in to the thousands, there are outliers where it has been lethal to healthy young people. But extremely rarely.

Day 1 for me. I work in the public and have every day since this all started. I plan on retiring next year some time so that gives you an idea of the age factor for me, strike two. Add in Iowa has been at 50% infection and I am hoping the next curve ball doesn't drop in for strike three.

If Fauci, CDC, and FDA are on board I'm all in. If it were Trump saying "it's good to go"? Well, lets just say I wasn't temped to mainline bleach :lol:

I wouldn't put too much stock in PR companies being paid to "sell" the vaccine. The word has to be put out somehow and these guys aren't going to work for free. So unless the government could require public service announcements it probably is what it is. Even if the government can some focused advertising is still probably a good idea. If the vaccine is 95% effective widespread distribution would, in the end, save lots of money both for insurance companies and the government and also help the economy. £670K or approx $1 mil seems like a small amount, too me, to get the ball rolling. Just 2 cents from someone with no real knowledge or experience on how this works. ;)

We started to make one ourselves last night, but settled on Mediterranean Chickpea bowls instead.

We tried to make our own vaccine, but only ended up curing hemorrhoids.

Lucked into shots for me and the Mrs. yesterday. She took her elderly mom to the SJChealth and the Firefighter checking people in was her cousin and she laughingly asked if she could get one and the FD said, "sure, and added her to a waitlist." Ten minutes later they found her a shot (basically someone who missed their appt. earlier)...then she also asked if I could get on the waitlist and about :45 m, ins later I was called. I was on my way and got the Pfizer blast into my arm. I'm feeling the sore arm side effect cuz...I got a shot in my arm, duh.

I have mine on Thursday. Was able to get an appointment through Rite aid.

I'm hopeful that they actually track symptoms/issues from vaccines, I'm going to be last in line as far as risk groups go, so I'd like to be able to make an informed decision of contracting COVID/spreading it to people who aren't vaccinated vs potential complications from vaccines. With the rushed production/trial schedule it would be nice to know if the potential for side effects is a lot higher than usual.

I hate how black and white the vaccine issue has become, you're either for them or you're a crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. Yes vaccines are generally good, yes they also can potentially cause problems in some patients, no they don't guarantee immunity for everyone. In general terms they will likely benefit people much more than harm them, but not always. I don't really understand why we had to move away from being honest about them. I get that people are terrible at understanding probability and consequence but that doesn't mean we should stop trying.

I'm waiting before getting it. Not because of fear of anything, I just feel that there's others that need it more than I do at the moment.

My Dad had his second shot last Saturday. Feels good to have him protected now (or at least soon, when it fully takes effect).

My 90 year old dad is apparently refusing to get it. :banghead:

That's got to be super-frustrating. Sorry, Lathum.

I got dose 2 of Pfizer last night. Slight fatigue last night and a sore arm (which happens with any shot to me). Happy to be vaccinated to say the least.

FYI: Dose 2 Moderna has a pretty strong kick for most people. My wife and I both were fine the day of, maybe a little tired (maybe just stressed). But we couldn't sleep that night until we took a Motrin in the middle of the night. Next day, had low grade fevers (her high 99s, me low 100 - but I also run about 99 normally), chills, dizziness, and body ache. Had heard about some of this so we took the day off work, watched TV, took a Motrin before bed the next night, and were right as rain the next morning - maybe a hair tired, but not any moreso than most normal days, especially having not slept well the night before. No issues with the first shot except sore arm for a couple of days but that second one wasn't very fun.

SI

Shit how the hell are all you “younger” people getting the vaccine already? I am 52 and am looking at like June at the earliest to get it.

And now it begins ...