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GrantDawg 07-04-2022 06:51 PM

WGN reporting that rhe shooter is in custody.

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RainMaker 07-04-2022 07:13 PM

Surprised it took so long. He does not exactly look like someone who blends in easily

CrimsonFox 07-04-2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3371436)
Glad he got out ok. Scary stuff.

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at first I thought you meant the shooter.

Lathum 07-04-2022 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot (Post 3371430)
Just how Republicans want it, the exercising of 2nd amendment rights and those who died were probably libs anyway.


and since it happened outside Chicago they can just pivot to "BUT HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE MURDER EACH OTHER IN CHICAGO EVERY WEEKEND!!!"


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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3371434)
My brother and others who were sheltering at a store eventually got escorted to their car to go home.


Thank goodness he got away, mush have been terrifying.

Thomkal 07-04-2022 07:50 PM

They caught him-looks like police chase his car and eventually stopped and arrested him

RainMaker 07-04-2022 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3371445)
Thank goodness he got away, mush have been terrifying.


It sounds like most of the people thought it was just fireworks at first. It's a 4th of July parade after all. I don't think it hit most of the people in his area until they had gotten into a store to take shelter. Then people came in saying there were dead bodies on the sidewalk.

His girlfriend is a teacher which is why they were there since some of her students were marching in the parade. And she was obviously in hysterics hoping none of them were shot. Lot of people got separated and parents I guess were throwing kids in dumpsters to protect them (which is actually some quick thinking).

For those who don't know Highland Park, it's one of the last places you'd ever suspect violence. Affluent neighborhood with almost no crime. You'll probably hear about how they shot a bunch of 80's movies there (Ferris Bueller, Home Alone, Uncle Buck, Sixteen Candles, etc). It just feels so random now.

RainMaker 07-04-2022 08:36 PM

I don't know about this movie.


bhlloy 07-04-2022 08:47 PM

Violent video games and rap videos... we've got our narrative for this one boyz

RainMaker 07-04-2022 09:56 PM


BYU 14 07-04-2022 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3371451)
Violent video games and rap videos... we've got our narrative for this one boyz


When this is the actual narrative


CrimsonFox 07-05-2022 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3371451)
Violent video games and rap videos... we've got our narrative for this one boyz


can slenderman be in there too? He hasn't had any publicity in SUCH a long time

miami_fan 07-05-2022 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3371442)
Surprised it took so long. He does not exactly look like someone who blends in easily


From CNN:

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The suspected gunman was dressed in women's clothing during the attack and investigators believe he did so to conceal his facial tattoos and his identity, according to Deputy Chief Christopher Covelli, a spokesperson for the Lake County Sheriff’s Office. After the shooting, the suspect exited the roof, dropped his rifle and blended in with the crowd as he escaped, police say.

RainMaker 07-05-2022 04:55 PM

jfc


GrantDawg 07-05-2022 05:01 PM

Hey, but at least the police took his knives away...

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RainMaker 07-05-2022 05:15 PM

In fairness, he did tell people what he planned to do.


Poli 07-05-2022 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3371418)
My brother and his girlfriend is at the parade in Highland Park. Says they ran for like a mile. Multiple dead but it literally just happened an hour ago. Wtf


An old Navy buddy, along with his wife and two kids, were on the corner where the shooting took place. He had taken a family picture with that rooftop just behind him and in the picture. A man beside them was shot and killed.

I knew he was from Chicago originally and now lived in Highland Park, but I didn’t know he and his family were there in the middle of it when it happened. Just glad they’re all ok.

CrimsonFox 07-05-2022 06:45 PM

The guy dressed like a woman and after shoopting everyone, blended in with the fleeing crowd, ran to his mother's house and drove out of town to escape.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...de-s-rcna36666

RainMaker 07-08-2022 12:34 AM

If anyone feels like helping out. 8 year old paralyzed from the waist down.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/kxwjn-the...iCQB&fs=e&s=cl

Poli 07-09-2022 06:03 AM

Turns out Tony’s wife had taken a little video of the parade just a few minutes before it happened. They dropped to the ground on top of their kids until the shooting stopped.

flere-imsaho 07-10-2022 02:20 PM

We were out of town on vacation when this happened (just got back a couple of days ago). Highland Park is where my wife grew up and we knew lots of people at that parade. If we had been in town we might even have been at that parade.

We went to a farmer's market yesterday and honestly I spent the whole time scanning the crowd.

JPhillips 07-10-2022 02:48 PM

The FBI passed along a threat to the Jewish community in San Antonio and as a response, all Jewish gatherings have been indefinitely postponed.

RainMaker 07-10-2022 06:35 PM

Kind of crazy but the shooter got all the way to Madison and contemplated another shooting before turning around driving back to Illinois.

Highland Park shooter drove through Madison, contemplating opening fire on another celebration | Wisconsin Public Radio

Poli 07-11-2022 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3371971)
Kind of crazy but the shooter got all the way to Madison and contemplated another shooting before turning around driving back to Illinois.

Highland Park shooter drove through Madison, contemplating opening fire on another celebration | Wisconsin Public Radio


I'd read about the Madison part, but not the second celebration part.

Edward64 07-12-2022 08:28 AM

I don't know if it would have made a difference since the gunman was not confronted for 40-50+ minutes but didn't know about inability to lock classroom doors?

I know at my wife's school, she does have doors that lock. She said she was told not to unlock the door during an active shooter event even if there were kids outside banging to get in.

I couldn't imagine having to make that choice.

Uvalde school's classrooms lacked a basic security feature — and it’s missing across America
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That’s because Robb Elementary is among thousands of schools across the country lacking a basic safety feature that experts have recommended for decades: classroom doors that lock from the inside.

Despite billions of dollars that have been poured into hardening schools nationally, 1 in 4 U.S. public schools lack classroom doors that can be locked from the inside, according to a survey conducted two years ago by the National Center on Education Statistics, a federal research office.

GrantDawg 07-12-2022 03:59 PM

Surveillance video of inside the school.

Uvalde shooting video shows gunman enter shooting, police response

flere-imsaho 07-12-2022 04:07 PM

I watched the whole video. What a shitshow. Every single one of those cops, except maybe the ones who showed up later and took the initiative to move on the shooter (like red shirt guy), should resign in disgrace.

RainMaker 07-12-2022 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3372153)


jfc

"Editor's note: the sound of children screaming has been removed."

Edward64 07-12-2022 04:42 PM

I want to read the investigation and understand what the hell was going on in each LEOs mind during this 40+ min.

The 2 questions I want to know

1) Was there shooting and kids getting killed while the cops waited in the hallway?
2) Did any person in that hallway establish themselves as the officer in charge of the situation? Or was it someone outside the building and trying to manage remotely?

GrantDawg 07-12-2022 04:49 PM

There is something about that officer strolling across the hall to get hand sanitizer just really pisses me off.

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RainMaker 07-12-2022 04:49 PM

Barring a federal investigation, I don't think we'll ever get those answers. The police have repeatedly lied and are no longer cooperating with investigators. The Mayor came out the other day and said their statements directly contradict the evidence he has seen.

Even the video released today was edited.

RainMaker 07-12-2022 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3372160)
There is something about that officer strolling across the hall to get hand sanitizer just really pisses me off.


The irony of the punisher wallpaper on the phone while kids are being shot is something else. The divide in what they are and what they view themselves as encapsulates America.



JonInMiddleGA 07-12-2022 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3372161)
Even the video released today was edited.


The edits, based on reading what the (I think it was) Austin newspaper account of what they have in hand, were the entry of the shooter into the building, him making his way down the hall (peeking around a corner at one point) and a scene of him firing shots into a classroom (no students or anyone else are seen in that portion) after opening the door.

But basically the raw footage leaked to the media already, so any discrepancies will surely be publicized. They've posted, I believe, some but possibly not 100% of what they received.

(I'm not justifying the editing decisions that have apparently been made for the official release, I'm just saying that it's probably not going to result in anything remaining unseen)

GrantDawg 07-12-2022 04:57 PM

Yeah, it was the paper that did the edit. They have the rest. CNN edited it further, removing the gunshots of the shooter.

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JonInMiddleGA 07-12-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3372164)
Yeah, it was the paper that did the edit. They have the rest. CNN edited it further, removing the gunshots of the shooter.

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I think (thought?) the edit referred to in the post here was not the ones made for reasons of sensitive content but rather the edits that are being made to the version that will be officially released to the public on Sunday.

Those were what I was talking about at least, whether they were the ones in question I'm not sure (now).

GrantDawg 07-12-2022 05:37 PM

From the article in the paper, they have the full 77 minute video.

Edit: The Statesmen has released the full video on their Twitter account.

GrantDawg 07-12-2022 06:29 PM

After watching the first ten minutes of the full video (there are still sound edits and the kid at the begining is blurred), it really reinforces that the police retreated immediately after the shooter fired at them, and they made no attempt to close back on him while he continued to shoot in that classroom. The guy that think was the officer in charge did go back closer to the classroom and yell at him, but made no move to bring the officers (including guys with assault rifles) in to stop him.

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cuervo72 07-12-2022 06:41 PM

Too bad none of those cops had teaching certificates.

JonInMiddleGA 07-17-2022 04:49 PM

The report on the Uvalde, TX school shooting is one of the more thoroughly damning things I've read in quite a while.

There was no shortage of blame to go around and the legislative investigation spared pretty much no one collectively, though it does single out a few people who actually -- shockingly -- tried to act according to policy, protocol, and basic common sense.

Even if it's just a detailed summary of the 77 pages, I'd recommend reading that rather than simply relying on your favorite media outlet to give you talking points. And I mention that for a couple of specific reasons.

1) Remember how the media told us about the officer who requested permission to fire on the shooter as he was entering the building? The investigation found no credible evidence that such a thing ever happened, and it's believed that the person he did have eyes on was not the shooter but rather was a coach at the school who was herding students inside the building.

2) Remember all the criticism about the officer who was seen checking his phone / reading texts while standing around in the hallway? Indeed he WAS texting .. with his wife, a teacher at the school who was severely wounded in the attack. That officer was eventually disarmed and removed from the building, with the implication that he was taken outside because he didn't want to just stand around with his thumb up his ass like most of the nearly FOUR HUNDRED officers on the scene.

His wife was eventually transported to a hospital after the scene was secured but died en route.

Read the report, or at least read detailed summaries that aren't focused on specific narratives. And that advice goes to everybody regardless of where your spot on the political spectrum happens to be.

thesloppy 07-17-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3372635)
FOUR HUNDRED officers on the scene.



That's crazy

JonInMiddleGA 07-17-2022 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3372637)
That's crazy


Pretty much everybody and their brother's cousin's uncle showed up if they had a badge. Roughly half that number were border patrol, the next biggest segment were state law enforcement

Edward64 07-17-2022 05:58 PM

Any cops shoot any kids or teachers by mistake?

JonInMiddleGA 07-17-2022 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3372642)
Any cops shoot any kids or teachers by mistake?


No indication of that as far as I've seen.

They were too busy standing around with their thumbs up their ass to shoot much of anybody. (Indeed, the report noted that the ones who did finally take down the shooter pretty much got permission from nobody -- since basically nobody was functioning in any sort of commander role -- and just acted)

Edward64 07-17-2022 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3372644)
No indication of that as far as I've seen.

They were too busy standing around with their thumbs up their ass to shoot much of anybody. (Indeed, the report noted that the ones who did finally take down the shooter pretty much got permission from nobody -- since basically nobody was functioning in any sort of commander role -- and just acted)


The red shirt guy!

Ksyrup 07-17-2022 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3372635)
The report on the Uvalde, TX school shooting is one of the more thoroughly damning things I've read in quite a while.

There was no shortage of blame to go around and the legislative investigation spared pretty much no one collectively, though it does single out a few people who actually -- shockingly -- tried to act according to policy, protocol, and basic common sense.

Even if it's just a detailed summary of the 77 pages, I'd recommend reading that rather than simply relying on your favorite media outlet to give you talking points. And I mention that for a couple of specific reasons.

1) Remember how the media told us about the officer who requested permission to fire on the shooter as he was entering the building? The investigation found no credible evidence that such a thing ever happened, and it's believed that the person he did have eyes on was not the shooter but rather was a coach at the school who was herding students inside the building.

2) Remember all the criticism about the officer who was seen checking his phone / reading texts while standing around in the hallway? Indeed he WAS texting .. with his wife, a teacher at the school who was severely wounded in the attack. That officer was eventually disarmed and removed from the building, with the implication that he was taken outside because he didn't want to just stand around with his thumb up his ass like most of the nearly FOUR HUNDRED officers on the scene.

His wife was eventually transported to a hospital after the scene was secured but died en route.

Read the report, or at least read detailed summaries that aren't focused on specific narratives. And that advice goes to everybody regardless of where your spot on the political spectrum happens to be.



As if all that isn't bad enough...


GrantDawg 07-17-2022 08:14 PM

Get ready. The shooter in the Indiana mall today was taken out by a citizen with a handgun. All the gun nuts will be publicly masturbating all over for the next week.

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Edward64 07-17-2022 08:22 PM

Glanced through the report.

Looks like Arredondo is the main screwup for X period of time in not taking charge, or positioning himself in the right place, or not telling someone else to take charge while he was in the school.

Then the report said others should have known Arredondo was screwing up and should have taken some sort of action.

I didn't catch it if it was in the report, but I'd like to know who the commission thought should have taken action knowing that Arredondo was MIA (e.g. is the deputy sheriff typically the guy, or someone from the 10+ different law enforcement entities that was on site).

PilotMan 07-17-2022 09:40 PM

RE: Indiana - Vigilante justice is only a further sign of the failure of law enforcement.

tarcone 07-17-2022 09:48 PM

My viet nam veteran FIL worries every day that school is in session that me and my wife will get shot. (Both teachers)

Yeah, our society is the BEST

JonInMiddleGA 07-17-2022 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3372654)


I didn't catch it if it was in the report, but I'd like to know who the commission thought should have taken action knowing that Arredondo was MIA (e.g. is the deputy sheriff typically the guy, or someone from the 10+ different law enforcement entities that was on site).


The sense I got was "somebody, ANYBODY".

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“In this crisis, no responder seized the initiative to establish an incident command post,” the committee wrote. “Despite an obvious atmosphere of chaos, the ranking officers of other responding agencies did not approach the Uvalde CISD chief of police or anyone else perceived to be in command to point out the lack of and need for a command post, or to offer that specific assistance.”

CrimsonFox 07-18-2022 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3372651)
Get ready. The shooter in the Indiana mall today was taken out by a citizen with a handgun. All the gun nuts will be publicly masturbating all over for the next week.

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even tho the shooter is literally a gunnut like them


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