Yeah I suppose so :)

That actually clears it up a LOT to me. Thanks, Chief!

A Hunter will die if he shoots and kills another Hunter.

I'll put it this way. If someone comes to murder you, you will know it.

Is that a threat?! :-)

Well, that sounds convincing. In which case I believe Martin, and will clear him in my book. And I have to think this paints Font poorly, and not in a "I've been set up by wolves to look bad" sort of way.

vote fontisian

Vote Font

I'm still up for shooting her, but there is the chance that I am the blank. I have to agree that it's more than likely font is a duke, so I'm willing to bet I dont take us both out.

WTF?

That's one way to play it. Wtf? Care to explain ef? I don't like this play on the basis it is another vaimes scenario. Shoot first and ask questions later. Is this typical for hunter roles?

EF is scum with Autumn. No townie ever steals the shot from me and then uses it on Martin of all people.

Well, I guess that was pretty much inevitable... (I was fully expecting to not be alive when I woke up this morning :p )

Oh, and I don't understand how anyone could possibly think either of us was a wolf. Martin was the uncounterclaimed protect and I would never shoot Martin as a wolf.

Not discounting your first sentence.

But on the second sentence reads a little arrogant? Why does someone have to wait for you to take a shot first? Regardless of who they shot, they are not 'stealing' it from you if you didn't get the command in first.

That being said... I agree with you and feel that he and EF are working in concert. But I want an explanation from EF to explain why he chose to shoot Martin before I lay a vote down on anybody.

Well, that doesn't make EF look good, but he's a vet so he had to know that...so not sure what to make of it.

EF would know that, too, just as you do. It would make EF's shot a misdirection play when votes are piling up on you which, at this point, is as plausible an explanation as any.

I'm not sure how any of what has happened clears you as a wolf. You were a legitimate medic target based on what Vaimes was saying D1. Now that we know for sure that Martin was a villager, we can truly believe what he said when he said it was mostly random.

I absolutely would not have wasted my morning on figuring out the Martin issue if I knew EF was going to kill him. I wonder if EF is a wolf, and the wolves were figuring Martin was the bodyguard, and this was a quick way to get rid of him without using another night kill. EF would have to be pretty confident he can talk himself out of a lynch though.

If EF thinks I'm scum, then he respects my request to shoot and hopes I end up killing myself. Stepping in to shoot someone who is 1.going to be cleared by my death and 2.guaranteed not to kill him is scummy as fuck.

I said I was going to shoot Autumn. EF shot first to prevent that from happening. They both need to die.

Vote: EF

So, you think he's scum, and you don't want to lynch him? What?

I'm asking because I'm thinking about putting together a list to see how many potential kills and dukes there are left out there.

Why would I ever try to kill Martin? If I'm scum, and I get lynched, then I can count on the town to proceed to waste a lynch or shot on him, as long as I don't waste a shot on him first.

Well first off, it would presumably be a wolf team decision, not a lone wolf decision.. unless you are the cultist. So you're basically saying that the kill attempt on Martin suggests you are unlikely to be a wolf because of the connection it'd draw to you?

No.

I am saying that if I am a wolf, Martin becomes an easy mislynch down the line and there's no reason to shoot him.

And the scenario you are proposing is that as a wolf/wolf team you would have left Martin alone because if you got lynched then we'd go after him next? I'm not following

The amount of misdirection it has caused is plenty of reason to shoot him. The wolves knew he was a villager and may have assumed he'd be essentially cleared. That said, he was still a weird target when there's a seer out there.

Where did I say I don't want to lynch him? I have to be argued off you first and that will involve watching the analysis from people much more adept at this than me.

And if you're wolf and he gets lynched/killed, that makes you look less suspect. I am more suspicious about the fact that you act oblivious to that than the idea itself. A wolf doesn't count on getting lynched, a wolf tries to stay alive. Plan A would be to get Martin dead before you.

I let font get under my skin and I wasn't sold on the idea that he knew that he was attacked. He was a safe target and I fully expected to see a wolf result which would have meant font was wolf two. Took a hero shot and failed miserably. I am fine with facing my punishment. I have been useless anyway.

Eh, I don't think I'm going to be moving my vote. If you are a villager, that was not the best idea

Please feel free to expand on who I should vote instead of you

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Uh, no? Martin being town really doesn't make me look better, but then there's no actual case against me beyond the odds anyway.

I think the main thing that might be raising eyebrows is the certainty with which you're saying that there's no way you could be a wolf based on what happened with Martin. I think it's pretty clear that that's not certain at all.

EF, no offense but it just doesn't make sense that a player like you would do such a thing.

This.

No, that's clearly not what's making people suspicious, as I'm just bringing it up now and people have wanted to lynch me all Day.

EagleFan has been pretty busy and distracted all game, and having been a wolf with him before, I could see him deciding to take one for the team, take a possible bodyguard out, and distract the village, if he doesn't feel he can put enough effort in. So I think that's a possibility.

Clarification: ...a player like you would do such a thing without it being part of a strategy.

People could have been suspicious of you before, and now more suspicious for an additional reason. That's where I fall.

8 hunters
-1 for the blank
-1 for vaimes
-1 for EF
5 living hunters, including the blank and EF .. suggests up to 3 kills left

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8 dukes
-1 for sam
-1 for martin
7 living dukes .. suggests up to 6 dukes left

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So we're looking at up to 3 kills and up to 6 dukes. Take one out of those 9 because of the cultist, who can't do either - 8 actions (2 or 3 kills, 5 or 6 dukes). Then there's the items:

Vest: Could block one kill
Clip: Adds one kill into the mix (9 actions, 3 or 4 kills, 5 or 6 dukes)
Laser: Won't affect # of actions
Mirror: Could block one kill
Camo: Could stop a kill or duke
Bullhorn: Could stop a duke or just switch it

So, I'm seeing up to 9 actions - 3 or 4 kills and 5 or 6 dukes remaining, assuming that the wolves and seer/BG all get a hunter/duke ability as well. Rest depends on who has the items and a bit of luck.

vote EF

Story doesn't hold up. I really dislike font's story too, but EF seems infinitely more wolfish at the moment. I was pretty damn certain MartinD was village, potentially the Bodyguard. I'm thinking EF thought that he could have been the BG as well. Protected last night and knew it, which is apparently rare? I'm guessing EF, as a wolf, was taking a flier on MartinD being the BG and wanted to kill him off before he could protect a potential NK target tonight.

Thanks for doing this. I think you missed JAG as a (dead) hunter?

Yes.

Is my math off? I didn't deduct 1 for JAG/Zinto because they didn't use their kill, but out of the 5 living hunters there should be up to 3 kills left because EF used his and the blank is still out there.

So in that sense me having vaimes up there as -1 doesn't really apply - but bottom line is the 3 kills left as a starting point there. let me know if that doesn't make sense

That makes a lot of sense and is hard to dismiss.

And it also prevents any other hunters from taking a shot today.