Was supposed to travel to Florida next weekend, but that trip just got cancelled. It was partially for work, but also to go to a celebration of life for my friend's son that suddenly passed away about a month ago. They decided to postpone the gathering until a later date.

I'm not sure if interaction with just one or two people with the virus makes it a certainty you will catch it. Based on the Utah Jazz data, there were 2 people with the virus out of the 58 people they tested who had close contact with them. We know about how long it takes to develop symptoms, but I'm not sure how long after the interaction a negative test is conclusive.

My other question is after you test positive and the symptoms pass are you still contagious. With other viruses, like the flu once you are symptom free for 1 day you can return to work. I think most mild cases only last a couple of days so if you are clear then you could return to work and not have to be isolated for 14 days.

Sanjay Gupta was on CNN last night and he said you were still contagious after your symptoms go away. I think he said for a 3-5 day period afterwards. I might have the number of days wrong though.

Ohio is up to 13 people confirmed and 159 with tests pending.

Delta announcing 40% reduction in capacity over next few months.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/busin...uts/index.html

One of the people who tested positive in Austin was the wife of the UT president.

COVID-19 Identified within UT Community | Office of the President | The University of Texas at Austin

Cruz also hates Trump and would love to be the one who comes out looking good. He knows the shit will hit the fan soon and a lot of Trumps demographic will be hit hard. He is betting they turn on him.

It's kindof amazing, I know... oh wait, of course:


SI

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...avirus/607759/

Of course, the test is only like 60% effective and gives a lot of false negatives:







SI

Guy on FOX News even saying The White House had to walk back many statements from 2 nights ago and he has to be 100% "pure" with what he says today. Also ctitical of McConnell and the senate about wanting to go on break.

It will be interesting to see if Trump gets turned on at some point by more moderates.

Dude, what do you think Fox news is for?

Almost 100 new cases in NY today. Now that testing is ramping up, I expect these numbers to go much higher.

haha, well played

Louisiana postpones its 2020 primary due to the virus

I've wondered when these political chips will start falling.


SI

Yeah me too, a lot of complaining about this-that they should do it by mail.

Karlie Kloss's father asked Facebook group for coronavirus recommendations for Jared Kushner: report

In a weird way, Gobert and his selfish, stupid actions may have saved lives. I think we were still a week ahead of a lot of these cancellations and quarantines and the announcements of him and then the NBA cancelling (and Tom Hanks) may have saved lives (or at least delayed things).



SI

Totally agree. It also helps that it was a player from the league with the most progressive commish.

Did the doctor lady say when that website would be live?

All Florida schools are now closed for two weeks.

Thanks for everyone who reported in on what's happening in your areas. I think the above quote here is entirely the appropriate response for the grater good and is likely what will end up happening. I'm not encouraged by the early returns on how my particular company is reacting (or more accurately, not reacting) but there is precedent in the past from the upper levels - they've paid everybody reasonable amounts of hours in single restaurants when there was a fire to stay home until the store was rebuilt, etc. Whether that kind of thing will happen in this situation for a much larger group for the length of time required? All of that is still very much up in the air.

It's been fun to get an email from every business that has my email address to assure me that their employees wash their hands a lot.

I think I wagered $20 each at Fan Duel & Draft Kings like 3 years ago, but I got email blasts from both of them letting me know that they would still be providing me with ways to win during these uncertain times, which has been reassuring.

About that website Trump promoted...

Statement from Verily: "We are developing a tool to help triage individuals for Covid-19 testing. Verily is in the early stages of development, and planning to roll testing out in the Bay Area, with the hope of expanding more broadly over time.

— Google Communications (@Google_Comms) March 13, 2020

I got several of those, plus this one from Supercuts that included

“We kindly request that if you are not feeling well, please reschedule your visit for when you are feeling better for the safety of our team and other customers.”

Trudeau, addressing reporters: “I’m applying a sterile topical ointment that keeps away the virus”.

*starts rubbing a jet black paste on his face*

Aide, running to push him off camera: “Mr.Trudeau no!!” https://t.co/RWNM1Hsd7J

— �� shackleton �� (@shackle_ton) March 13, 2020

My kids school closed next 2 weeks. Looks like I am homeschooling. They sent home a huge packet of work.

I can call the car dealership and it might be possible to have my test drive brought to me at home. That's a time killer and a half!

Kids are home for 4 weeks...3 weeks off plus spring break. No work was sent home. We have a few ideas to keep them doing school work.

I'm tired of getting the emails about what X company is doing to combat coronavirus. It's starting to make me wonder if they'll keep with these measures after this is over or if they'll go back to the not so clean practices they were following before.

My school district is shutting down next week. A week of e-learning and, thanks to a mild winter, 2 weeks of spring break. Gives us 3 weeks of no students and a chance to ride out the worst of it (hopefully). Today was a lot of stress for teachers to prepare and support staff to wonder about getting paid. Thankfully, my district opted to have support staff come in and work so they can get paid. Will find some creative ways to use them!

Governor of Minnesota stated they are keeping schools open for now, declared a peacetime emergency and recommended no 250+ gatherings but did not ban them. MN is up to 14 cases, supposedly all from travel rather than community spread. The additional 5 cases from yesterday were from 250 tests conducted in the past 24 hours.

Diners at restaurants in Seattle are down almost 60% from this time last year.

My son's school is closed for an indefinite time. It will be at least two weeks. They are doing some online course work.

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Not confirmed this is the final version but best I could find on details on the agreement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/coro...each-deal.html

So the obvious question is how is treatment going to be paid? I assume I'll do the 20% copay but do we have reassurances that (1) treatment will be taken care of by my insurance and (2) the 20% copay of X, that X is a reasonable amount.

Good friends of mine own a bar in Belltown. They said a lot of restaurants are considering closing.

Thanks for this. Seattle seems to me to be a reasonable baseline for where things may end up before they get better.

I went back up to Publix to get the wife some coffee creamer.

OMFG! What a difference ten hours made! I guess everyone is taking it seriously now. Empty shelves galore. They did have the coffee creamer though.

I talked with a cashier I know and she said the last fours hours was worse than anything she has during the hurricane season.

Went to Sams club. Busy. Stocked up. Got 5 containers of disinfectant wipes and 120 Slim Jims.

Im ready.

My wife's employees dad thinks he has it and was tested, but didn't tell his daughter who lives with him who continued to go to work the next day. We were planning on social distancing but looks like that might become enforced quarantine... he gets his results on Monday or Tuesday.

As of around 9pm, supermarkets in the LA area appear to be completely cleaned out according to a few of my coworkers who shopped around a bit. The panic is well and truly here folks.

My district and pretty much all the local districts in Los Angeles are shutting down.

A lot of stuff off the aisles. A lot of stuff still around. But no toilet paper to be found.

My SIL's roommate tested positive for it up in Seattle. She's been sick the last couple of days, so Im sure she has it.

Norm Macdonald still out there killing, with brand new coronavirus material.

Norm Macdonald does standup about coronavirus - YouTube

It occurs to me that while we'll never know probably how hard they are hit, this might be one time when North Korea's super-paranoid approach actually works to their benefit.

FWIW

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This. Like I get it, everyone has their own standards for cleanliness and there is inherent risk in going out to eat, going to the gym, etc. Most of us have either been in these service businesses or know someone who has and know the horror stories. Some of these establishments are telling on themselves when they talk about the extra cleaning that they have begun to do. Especially when they end up side by side with a similar establishment and a comparison can be made.

"We at Jimbo's Grill and Gator Wrestling Circus are very concerned about the Corona virus. So much concerned in fact we actually went out and bought hand soap! Now we are requiring our employees to wash their hands once a day (or at least once between two shifts)...."

Well, they did pull out everyone's teeth during world war z

I was about to say the same thing!

Good to know there is another fan here.

exactly what I thought of

Illinois shutters all schools.

4 cases in Missouri now. 2 near St. Louis (East), 1 in Springfield (SW), 1 in Jefferson City (Central).

Only a matter of time.

I wonder how many cases Missouri has had that went undetected. Or the world for that matter.

I thought Trump guaranteed the US cases would be at zero by now.

I think this is worth a read.

COVID-19 Prep Update- March 14:

Last night I was on with state & local officials around the US well into the night. By March 23 many of our largest cities & hospitals are on course to be overrun with cases.

I am going to prepare a memo for them. I will share highlights here.1/

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 14, 2020

Yeah Fauci, you go. Doing a great straight talk at the news conference.

Person of the Year for me.


Ben Carson ... WTF? The surgeon general arguably and definitely you are redundant and waste of news conference time.

Interesting that he's publicly questioning whether to close schools in that thread Andy Slavitt on Twitter: "From every expert I have talked to, I am less convinced that schools should be closed. Either way, open or closed, there are about 8-10 items that need to be considered including meals, childcare (keep granny away), parent sanity�, etc. I recommend giving parents the option. 14/"

Oh well, meanwhile Boston Public Schools announced they're closed until April 27, I imagine the rest of that state won't be too far behind. Down here Charlotte just moved spring break from April to next week - I don't doubt they'll close longer, but I don't hate that move to buy some time instead of making a snap decision with all the uncertainty. In less comforting news the county of 10 million people has 3 test kits (and the state says when we use those 3 they can send 3 more!) https://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...241163021.html (Obviously there's a lot of hospitals here that have a higher stockpile, but that kinda puts a hard data point on just how badly that was bungled.)

Hard to believe that post was just 14 days before the semi-lockdown from 2 days ago. In those 14 days it went from: "we have 1 case there, everybody in near contact will be tested" to 800+ positive tests, with roughly 20% of the positives being hospital employees. Today, testing strictly reserved for those with at least a fever. 12 fatalities have been reported on 959 positive tests, 136 of them have been hospitalized, all 12 said to be "already very sick, this virus destroyed their chances of survival." Surely we'll hit the 1k mark (on a population of 17M) by tomorrow. I'm fully expecting more restrictions to be announced in the upcoming week.

The higher standards for testing will be very misleading towards whether there's an increase or decrease of positive cases. Those restrictions appear to be happening all over the globe. Also, looking at some maps of infected places, seeing Iceland, Malta and Hawaii (to name a few) and recent days the Caribbean getting infected, global traveling has clearly helped this virus spread fast. (It surely has been the case within the boundaries of Northern America as well.)

Good news conference overall considering the lack of info and the oblivious Trump show on Wed. A couple irrelevant speakers, some premature & exaggerated info (e.g. Google flub) but overall a good trajectory ... keep it up and get better on accuracy re: what you say others are doing.

Testing is the big one for me, when they start providing daily metrics and showing real progress there.

Have you not paid attention at all to this administration?

You don't see any progress from the Wed oblivious Trump show?

Mother Nature helping to push the apocalypse hype, as it's snowing pretty heavily in Portland, Oregon in the middle of March.

Salt Lake PD FTW
SLC Police Dept. on Twitter: "Due to the confirmed case of #COVIDー19 from community spread, SLCPD is asking all criminal activities/nefarious behavior to cease until further notice. We appreciate your anticipated cooperation in halting crime & thank criminals in advance. #SocialDistancingNow #behaveyourself… https://t.co/mvS7Iz8JvH"

I'm not even sure how much the increased testing helps, since I've heard multiple places that the test for it isn't very reliable and gives a lot of false negatives. I mean every person quarantined helps flatten the curve here, but it doesn't catch all of it.

Aviation is feeling fucked right now.



Our April bids were supposed to be completed this morning, but the company and Union agreed to resubmit the trip packets for April. The news about Delta cutting 40% of it's flights was big news, and I'm sure we are next to follow now with those same numbers. Far more than post 9/11.


There is beginning to be a firm understanding that layoffs are coming. One estimate said that this could cost the industry as a whole over 100 billion dollars. Just to aviation.



It's not going to happen tomorrow, but the drawdown will have an accordion effect and you're going to see some of the weaker carriers possibly head into bankruptcy or disappear altogether.



This is quite a shock needless to say.

Considering he sent a signed copy of Friday's stock market chart, no.

Just found out that the father of a friend of mine in Milan passed away from the coronavirus.

We are using 2 different criteria I guess on these news conferences. You judge based on Trump. I judge based on overall content.

He still lied multiple times, and took credit for things he didn't do. So, no.

This is pretty cool. Not sure if it'll happen in Manhattan if there is a lockdown. Probably too busy tik tok, facetime etc.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/14/coro...balconies.html

EDIT: tbf, Manhattan probably doesn't have as many balconies.

Just In Time* inventory is proving to be a colossal failure.

All NC Schools closed for two weeks by order of the governor.

Portland schools out until the end of the month, but some private schools have announced 3 week breaks with "online learning" before the breaks themselves. No school sports until at least April, if at all. Have noticed a slow down of folks for sure in the streets, but restaurants are either slow or packed as normal depending on which ones.

Hard to judge here since it's a rare snow day, too. Will be interesting to see how it evolves.

I fear we are still not doing enough. Have friends out barhopping, our legislators are weighing finishing the last 3 weeks of their session, and so forth. Our obvious model is Italy (not South Korea) and in ten days much of the US could look like Italy does now and we’ll have a lot of people with profound regret over what they did up until they realized what was happening.

If what the medical folks are saying regarding the speed of the spread, I agree with you 100%. A pretty big swath of the populace is heeding no warnings at all.

I imagine a lot of industries are going to be in similar circumstances before it's all said and done, sadly. I hope things work out for you and by some miracle this crisis is shorter than we anticipate.

This.

Normally my daughter dances at all sorts of St. Patrick's Day events. She's not going to dance, but so far all the indoor events are still going on.

Georgia's primary had now been delayed until May. The governor is also calling up 2,000 National Guardsmen to support medical services.

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Almost 10K new cases globally today.

I am floored at how little people care about this. We are so selfish as a nation. Will it kill you to stay in on a Saturday night.

Times reporting Trump tested negative for the virus

Let's wait a couple days to see if MSM digs anything up and Admin has to clarify.

I have swung way around to this all hype. Is it deadly? Yes. But it is killing the old that are weks. Is that insensitive? Yes.

But at what point do we go back to living our lives? When does the hype stop?

Think of the hysteria if we gave this much time to the flu?

Call me callous. Call me an asshole. I own it.

Damn

Improbable but on brand for the new normal here in the USSA.

Also likely he’s been vaccinated against basically anything but they could never confirm that. Would also likely apply to Biden as well

Fixed that for ya. This isn't just a thing in the USA, it's humanity at it's best or worst.

This should surprise nobody. as we will be hearing soon he has the strongest, best immune system ever!!

JOE BIDEN HAS IT

link?

RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel is quarantining at home awaiting test results after showing flu-like symptoms

My girlfriend works at Whole Foods. Basically the front lines right behind the medical providers. That makes us both very vulnerable. On the bright side, her job is certainly safe. I feel bad for the people in restaurants, especially those relying on tips. The RAM brewery restaurant in town is taking 50% off everything.

Neither of us has ever had the regular flu. So the whole, "don't touch anything, flee when people cough, keep distances" is all pretty new to us, I've never been close to a germaphobe, and I've never had an experience in life where I got sick from some clearly distinct source, like from someone else I knew to be sick. But I'm taking every easy precaution so I don't feel like a dumbass if I get it.

Grocery stores are holding up OK aside from toilet paper. Much better than the photos I'm seeing from back home in Massachusetts.

Home Depot was packed with people buying regular Home Depot stuff. I think people are looking to knock out some home improvement projects they've been putting off.

Edit: I keep reading people saying we're not doing enough, but, I'm still stunned that we're doing so much. Nobody predicted all this just a few days ago. We are not merely reacting to illness and its impact in the United States, we are preparing based on what health professionals are telling us can happen and what has happened in other countries (which, if you dig below some of the worst stories and read about what regular people are doing - is not quite as catastrophic as you might think). I'm honestly kind of impressed. And I know it's easy to be cynical about corporations but the airlines, travel companies, stubhub, shit like that, have all been remarkably easy to deal with for all the plans I had to cancel in the last few days. I know Amazon has offered extra paid leave to any Whole Foods employee who gets sick or has a sickness in their household. And I'm seeing and hearing about so much kindness around town. People on my neighborhood facebook group offering to do shopping for people who feel too vulnerable to leave the house, people giving up toilet paper to others who were too late in getting it, people patronizing local stores who need some help getting through this. I think we're doing pretty good, all things considered.

Over half the ICU cases in France are under 60. I hope you and your loved ones stay safe.

We're on round 2 of the grocery store apocalypse. We had the initial craze a couple of weeks ago and then with schools getting canceled for 6 weeks we're going through it all over again. Toilet paper, water, cleaning products, and soups are sold out at Safeway again. The toilet paper and water thing still blows my mind. I have no idea why people are buying these like there's going to be a shortage.

I'm waiting for mandatory testing at work. It will be interesting to see if I pop a positive after likely getting it 2-3 weeks ago.

You may have posted about it here, but how long were you sick for?

I think there's a good chance it went through my office at about the same time (I'm one state over from you). About 50% of my supervisors and the support staff were out at some point over a period of a week or so, with a fever and coughing. They're all back, and the office is at fuller capacity now than it was then.

So I started feeling some slight shortness of breath around the 26th of Feb, the 29th I developed a cough, the 1st I had a fever and the cough was getting worse, and then the headache hit. The headache was what really stuck out to me (it was awful) and after reading about other people's experience with it that's what made me nearly certain I had it. I missed work the 2nd and that's the day the fever finally broke. The 3rd was the first day since the 29th that I actually got up and started moving around.

I did go back to work on the 4th, but I work IT and it's easy for me to isolate myself and not have contact with others where I work. When I got back I found out that someone I work with started showing the same symptoms a couple of days before me and had been out as well.

My son ended up showing symptoms on the 3rd, but it was a much milder version. His cough cleared up after a couple of days and although he had a higher fever (102.5) it lasted less than 24 hours. The fact that his was more mild than mine further convinced me that it's what I had. Typically whenever we pass something between us I end up with the milder symptoms.

I'd say 2 weeks is roughly how long I was sick. My son for about a week. I started feeling light symptoms on the 26th and they ramped up from there. Last weekend was when actually started to feel myself again.

This one takes the cake. The co-owner of a local private daycare facility posted pics this evening from a bar crawl. She was in close proximity to dozens of people tonight. Just checked her daycare’s web site and FB page, and as of right now, they’re still planning to open on Monday. So she and her hubby will go home, interact with their kids, and then on Monday, she and her kids will be in close proximity to dozens of other kids.

Yeah it really pisses me.off too. Especially people sharing on social media that they are out doing things and having a good time. Fuck you I dont want you to die but how about you get really fucking sick? It's so seffish.

A friend of mine is with her kids at like an amusement center with bounce houses. And she will be the first one all over facebook if her kids get sick or they give it to grandma. Just so irresponsible but they also go out to parties at friends and drink excessively normally. Just dont understand humanity sometimes.

Dropped by Kroger just to get some additional meals/food (son & roommate coming back).

• Potatoes, tomatoes, some fruits are gone. Still quite a lot of fresh vegetables
• Meats are noticeably low (but we did 2 racks of ribs). Lots of frozen shrimp, fish
• Lots of canned food but many of my favorites are gone e.g. Chunky Steak & Potatoes
• Pasta was very low but still decent amount of pasta sauce
• Toilet paper gone, paper towels still available
• Eggs gone, milk still around, bread available but low
• Lots of cereal, flour, sugar, cooking oil
• Frozen pizza noticeably low supply
• Lots of water, soda, beer, wine
• Lots of Ice cream, frozen vegetables, low frozen breakfast biscuits

I think toilet paper is herd mentality but I don't blame anyone. The problem is lack of communication from the businesses to reassure people that more is on the way, can meet the demand etc. (same with hand sanitizers etc.)

My wife was supposed to do a girls night tonight organized by one of our good friends. Our friend cancelled it for obvious reasons, ans one of the other girls apparently got all bent out of shape. Said she was going to live her life, overreaction, even if she gets sick she isn't an at risk group, etc...

The kicker, her 70 year old mother with emphysema lives with her. Our friend tried to explain and she just didn't care.

The NY state legislature now has two confirmed cases. They're shutting down the state capitol building.

Meanwhile, here in MD, ours are still working long days and have no plan how to finish up. Of our 47 Senators, 13 are 68 or over. This is not some sort of fucking joke. In your effort to finish up some goddamned dog licensing bill, you're going to get somebody fucking killed out here.