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And that is the difference. It isnt killing anyone under 40. This is much different tan the flu. Is 3-4% correct? maybe, if the elderly are contracting it. The experts say that the young have the immune system to fight it like they do the common cold and are in fact building up immunity. If ever the millenials had a glimmer of hope with the boomers, this is it. |
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Call it what it is. Ageism is to age as Racism is to race. Lots of anti-racists here that don't give 2c for Boomer+. :) |
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This is ignorant and flippant in the absolute extreme. Many people under 40 have compromised immune systems or have other health issues that put them at serious risk. I guess I’ll tell my buddy who is looking at needing to keep his daughter inside for months once there’s a case close enough to him that you told him not to worry. |
Another thing is that you have to be in close contact with someone for 25-30 minutes to contract it from them.
True, it is alive for 9 days on some surfaces, but wash your hands with soap and water and keep them away from your face. This is basic hygiene. Teach your kids how to wash their hands. |
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I have heard you quote this 25-30 minute thing a few times in this thread. Not sure I would bank on that. Somebody sneezes on you or around you I think you are screwed. |
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That may be true (I've actually not read it), but it's logical to assume if you sat beside an infected on a plane and he/she sneezed on you (because the WHO idiots say masks don't help) or your arm rest, your odds of catching it goes up. |
0.2% for anyone from 0-39.
Pretty small chance. past 40 it rises dramatically. Your child has a much better chance of dying in a car crash. So you netter walk your kid everywhere. |
It's really easy to say the wash your hands/don't touch your face mantra but unless you are hyper OCD germaphobe the chances for one slip up is VERY high and that is all it could take. A scratch of the nose, wipe of the eye, many other possible moments.
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You misunderstand. I'm not worried about the virus, I'm worried about being put in a 14 day quarantine because I'm near someone with the virus. I'll be fine, but we don't have family close, so if my wife and I were both put in quarantine it would be a real problem. I'd probably be fine, but I'm not willing to take that chance with my daughter. |
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I would think it would be more akin to looking at the car crash data for kids and deciding not to have them wear a seat belt. Which I hope even you agree would be pretty heartless parenting. |
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Very much so. Its really important to have public figures following these guidelines as an example for everyone else when things like this happen. Respect to anyone that does this without fighting it or complaining. |
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Agreed. And though we've strayed from the original point by now, it did start not with a fear of dying from the virus, but not wanting to take any unnecessary chance of ending up quarantined in another city with a daughter back home with limited family nearby. That doesn't seem weird to me at all. |
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My wife and I have the same concern...travelling and being quarantined with limited support for our kids and my father in law. I've cancelled travel for my team out here, They're all remote and there's no need for them to be in the office besides physically working in the same office, so no need for them to risk being quarantined on a flight just to hang out for free lunches. |
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Is it though? Are we saying now that there are no measurable differences between the physical and cognitive abilities of different ages, and that they cannot be judged as such? We say that about race, and it's measurable and true, but I think you're off on your analogy. |
I just don't feel threatened by this thing. Not directly, not for my parents. Not yet. I travel, am constantly exposed to everything. I may be the poster child for "It can't happen to me", and that's not what I'm saying, but all my direct experience and how often I'm exposed, the odds are still tiny that myself or any of my family are going to be endangered by it. Hell, if I didn't have kids or other responsible at home, I really wouldn't have any issues traveling to China/Japan/Italy.
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Sure, there is measurable differences between the physical and cognitive tests/abilities of different ages. Yes, there is measurable differences between the physical and (arguably) cognitive tests/abilities of different races. Should we be ageist against a population of people because of their age? Should we be racist against a population of people because of their "race"? I think the analogy lines up pretty well. (Note that I do not consider cognitive abilities to be based primarily on nature. I believe nurture/environment has a role. My guess is anywhere from 40-60 to 60-40). |
My wife and I and a friend of mine have a trip overseas this week to Turkey, Israel, and Greece that's supposed to leave on Wednesday the 11th from San Diego (where there are confirmed cases). Today things are looking more dicey than ever as the Israeli Prime Minister is supposed to announce on Monday whether to institute a full-quarantine of anyone coming into the country.
While I'm honestly ok taking the risk of getting sick for this trip, we certainly don't want to go at the risk of facing a quarantine or even having to figure out a plan B from Turkey if our flight into Israel is canceled. We can get about a 50-60% refund (even without insurance), and stand to get more back if we wait for official confirmation from the PM (which we're doing until at least Monday). I think my fear is if Israel makes NO announcement. Do we take that risk? Being from one of the US hotspots for it, we're concerned of being on the next episode of Locked Up Abroad. |
As it began to hit North America, I have been seeing the wave of "just let it spread, I'm healthy so I'll be okay" sentiment going around.
That's insane. I have a diabetic son (16). My mom has stage 4 pancreatic cancer. My co-worker immediately beside me is in her 20's, but has diabetes AND asthma. So if I don't take the proper precautions, I could kill 3 people. And if someone close to me doesn't take the proper precautions and I get it from them, they are partially responsible as well. We are all ultimately responsible for our own bodies, but we also live in the world, and our actions affect others. |
School out today for a private school in St. Louis county, as the Dad of the girl infected broke the quarantine and went to a dad/daughter dance with his other daughter. It was held at a Hotel and they were at a house with people from another private school.
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The 3rd reported case in Indiana was an elementary school kid. His school will be closed for the next 2 weeks because of it.
It is cases like this that make me think there are a lot more people infected. How did this kid get it? The rest of his family has been exposed. Who have they exposed? It keeps going from there. I do think this should be taken somewhat serious, but at the same time I think we are going to over react and make some unnecessary decisions. |
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Yeah I have no idea where the fuck this 25-30 minutes comes from. First I have heard of that and is not how virus spread usually from what I have read and heard. |
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Yeah that's kind of what I was getting out earlier in the thread also. Even if the death rate for kids is 0% (and for all accounts it seems to be close to that) they all still could pass this to each other at school and infect teachers, custodians, lunch ladies and come home and give it to parents, sibling, caregivers, and grandparents. So sure the risk to 8 year old Susie is pretty minimal but she could indirectly kill 85 year old Rose from a simple sneeze on counselor who goes and visits her mom in nursing home. And the other thing is blowing off "Well yeah but you have to have pre-existing conditions" like these people have leprosy or something. My dad is 78 with high blood pressure and COPD. Really had not planned on him dying anytime soon but seems like discussion (not on here as much as other places) thinks that is pretty expected and not unusual. |
Apparently smoking or past smoking is a serious complicating factor.
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All I can say is that my dad was told directly by a nurse last week while in a routing hospital check-up that if you are in conversation with someone for 15 minutes or less (and assuming that they don't cough, sneeze, etc on you, that you don't shake hands, etc) the chances of it being passed on are virtually nil. How you choose to take that advice that my dad was given by a medical professional is up to you, but I thought it was worth sharing as it's the only medical advice that I know came directly from the horse's mouth, not third or fourth hand, or through social media. I accept though that to others, my passing on of this information is third hand and essentially social media, but hey - I thought it be might be helpful. |
I remember hearing the 25-30 minute thing for ebola, but not coronavirus.
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and factor in the air pollution as well. |
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We talked about our hand washing techniques. Remember?
How Do You Wash Your Hands? - Front Office Football Central |
This motherfucker is causing a lot of damage. |
My friends in Milan saw where this was heading a week and half ago. They loaded up on groceries and headed to their vacation house in the mountains outside of Milan.
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So what is going to happen for March Madness? No good options I can think of.
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Sweet! An acceptable amount of dead! Sure, we could try and do more, but why?! People will always die.
I think it both shows his incredible lack of empathy, and his inability to formulate an actual political response that sounds professional at all. If Obama had come out and done a press conference about how we all need to exercise good caution and try the best we can to look out for ourselves and our loved ones, but that we need to try and keep some sort of perspective on it, I'm sure trump would have tweeted about how Obama is TRYING to get us all KILLED!! |
Nobody has the courage or competence to stand up and take the reigns. |
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Love how "That's 4%" has been trending on Twitter all day. |
Two weeks from tomorrow, I'm scheduled to chaperone my daughters' school's annual 5th grade trip to DC. 3 buses. 5 hours each way. What could possibly go wrong in a confined space with 120 10-year-olds for 10 hours???
I'm saying 20% chance that they go ahead with the trip. |
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I'll book your bets that it happens, at +400. |
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It means he's willing to take your 20% estimate and make the odds 4:1, if you want to bet you're actually going.
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I think you're being very optimistic the way things are trending. |
It means if you bet $100 that it will happen and it does, then you win $400.
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I never understand bettor-ease either. |
When you see those odds...
When you see a + number, it means that's how much you win if you bet $100. The - number means that's how much you have to bet to win $100. |
Heeerrrreeeee's Johnny.
Wife just received email that a school district staffer has tested positive. No school tomorrow because they are going to sanitize the schools. |
Dow is 2,000+ down right now. Only 360 more points to go!
(What a day) |
Our government is acting out their own version of Chernobyl right now with this “everything is fine” routine.
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With Fulton schools closed for at least tomorrow, can't wait to see what other Atlanta metro area schools do. For better or worse, people in Atlanta do love a good panic.
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I feel like this is the Trump administration dealing with the virus:
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So I take it (most) everyone thinks this has gone beyond Jade Helm? We are good on supplies but wife suggested getting some more fresh produce and laundry stuff. |
Lots of people sick in my office, it's kind of amusing to see the efforts being made to convince others its not the coronavirus. The routine emails letting us know who's out of the office (which usually just say someone is out sick) are specifically saying stuff like, "sick with influenza A" or "bronchitis", or, just "feeling a little sick but will be back tomorrow"! It's like there's a social stigma to the possibility that anyone has this particular thing. I imagine that will keep a lot of the people getting this underground and un-reported, even if we were testing more people.
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Apparently that guy is still alive. |
I can imagine the regular flu is muddying the waters quite a bit. It would be great if there was a definite and obvious "marker or differentiator" (like a scarlet C on the forehead).
The somewhat bright side is this is a dress rehearsal for the next one so gives us time to figure it out and prepare better. Trump stuff notwithstanding, I'm not sure if the US is at a C, D or F right now. I would consider a B- if there wasn't such a miss on the testing kits with a month+ warning from China. |
CNN reporting the head of NY/NJ Port Authority has tested positive, but Pence says it is safe to travel.
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The thing is that without testing, we have no clue how many people have it. Could be 1000, could be 15,000. I don't know if the testing is being limited to make the numbers seem low or not. But I feel like a lot of the panic is over the fact we have no clue what is going on. |
Rep. Doug Collins now also in self quarantine.
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Look like within "airborne" distance too. |
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Can you give it to someone if your tongue is up their ass? |
Add Matt Gaetz to the list.
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it finally hit ohio
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And was on Air Force One today with Trump before going into self-quarantine. Meanwhile Trump is worried journalists will purposedly try to give the Virus to him on Air Force One. |
Italy just announced a nationwide lockdown, not just the northern regions.
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wow this joke better than the one i was going to tell |
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It's 2 hours away from me. The infected are probably already walking among ourselves. |
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well duh... tell me that trump doesn't look like this |
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Science taking out Cheetos would be the ultimate power move by Mother Nature. :popcorn: |
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Just came back from the local Walmart, it wasn't that busy. I'm in suburbia about 20 miles north of Atlanta. Still lots of food but some shelves were noticeably more bare vs normally fully stocked. I did pass by a couple close-to-empty isles where I got laundry detergent and Bounce. I assume those were toilet paper, lysol and stuff. I wonder if the supply lines for food is getting stretched a little thin with the hoarding, prepping etc. that is going on. I'm not sure if the hoarding has already happened, in-progress or just in the early stages ... my guess is just in the early stages. If that's right, interesting to check out grocery stores in 2-4 weeks to see if we can keep the supply lines going. That's something our CIC should be doing and saying to reassure us ... talk to food manufacturers, transportation companies, pharma's and figure out how to keep plenty of food, hand sanitizers, antibiotics, asthma medicine and like etc. flowing. It may really not be as bad as MSM is saying but to deny that it is serious is stupid. |
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Aliens! In my top-5. Bill Paxton RIP. Let us know if any of them turn into zombies. Early warning is key. |
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I think its because news of the quarantine leaked and a bunch of folks up north were trying to get south. |
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According to my FB feed today, it's because they are all sheep who watch too much tv. There's no real free thinkers out there anymore I guess. I |
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If you believe other people who think others are sheep....are you a free thinker who sees through the BS or a sheep who follows a different shepherd? |
Ireland canceled all St Patrick’s Day events.
Philly parade defiantly not canceled. |
Gohmert exposes at CPAC but refuses to self quarantine.
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And it grows in our area. Another infected. Testing 4 more in the county just to the North of us.
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I meant that in the context that supposedly the media are in control of global decision by bunches of countries for the way that they are handling it. It seems like 'these' people are only addressing the US numbers, US media, and think that what we have here is only a US thing, ergo...a media influenced panic. Meaning that they are willing to hold this point of view, while discrediting the independent changes that countries worldwide are making in response to it. It's a much more 'ignorant' standard of knowledge that they hold themselves to, to feel like they have a handle on everything in this way. |
Boston cancels the St. Patrick's Day parade.
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I figured the alcohol at that parade would cancel out the virus.
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Im thinking you have a point. I believe alcohol kills many viruses. |
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This is why I try to replace my blood with alcohol daily. |
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There is only so much that can be done. It is in the best interest of these companies to keep the supplies flowing, but there are so many logistics involved it just may not be possible. My wife is senior VP of sales for Duracell, sales through the roof right now, but if they can't get product from the factories none of it matters. |
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I'm trying to be doubly prepared by piping hot weed smoke into my lungs regularly. |
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Cleaning supplies, toilet paper, and water are in short supply here and have been for 2-3 weeks now. The toilet paper aisles, specifically, are nearly empty in every store I've been in. Hand Sanitizer is impossible to find. My neighbor is a manager at the Safeway next to us and told my wife they received their first box of Hand Sanitizer in over 2 weeks this weekend. Not a very large box so only a few bottles. A guy showed up and tried to buy the entire box, was told there was a limit of 5 per customer so he had each of his 5 kids pay for 5 bottles of hand sanitizer. The 25 bottles he bought ended up being most of the box they received. Apparently this resulted in a lot of pissed off customers, screaming, cursing, and overall a fairly big incident as far as a local Safeway goes. When I hear of people freaking out and buying up the hand sanitizer and cleaning products like this I wonder if they're intelligent enough to realize that if others can't buy cleaning products as well then all they're doing is holding off the inevitable. |
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Great comparison, Trump! Comparing a full year of flu facts, vs an illness that literally just entered the country in the last week or two. Given that it's not being treated seriously in the US, we are about to enter the exponential growth phase. |
In-coming White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows is under self-quarantine.
This may be my favorite CPAC ever. |
Denver's parade is still a go, largest west of the Mississippi. Going to be incredibly bummed if they do cancel.
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The Press Conference tonight was a lot of work and worry over a hoax. I so badly want someone to ask him why he's going to all this effort for a hoax. |
Yeah me too PM
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NJ just declared a state of emergency
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Pearl Jam cancelling the first leg of their tour
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Looks like the US has done @8500 tests in total.
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SK has 7478 confirmed cases with 53 deaths. That's 0.7%. |
Santa Clara County just imposed a ban on all gatherings of over 1,000 people; this is going to affect 3 home games for the San Jose Sharks and one for the Earthquakes.
Further info: airports, malls, and schools are exempt from the ban. |
Talked to a friend last night who lives in Seattle. They own a bar in Belltown. Said the whole city is like a ghost town. Lots of restaurants considering closing until this passes.
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