WW XCII Hades -- Claimed by Villagers
 

This is the thread for everyone in Hades.

Hades
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Chief Rum
jeheinz72
saldana
claphamsa
DaddyTorgo
Lathum
MartinD
The Jackal
Abe Sargent
hoopsguy
PurdueBrad
TheNorm

Welcome to all of you who have died and come to this thread!

Coming in through the river Styx:

EagleFan
Poli
Schmidty

That's what I'm talking about. Move over, Grover, I'm about to intrude on this jam right here.

Interesting. I was a bad lynch. Schmidty was a night kill. Only one from Sparta? No Sparta night kill?

What did things look like in Sparta?

Schmidty was a no vote day one. Hope all is well with him.

I think Abe and CR are the wolves in Athens. Have to get back to stuff here but I will elaborate later.

Umm, I'm guessing I was the night kill. I had one vote on me, the others were on our 'supposed' runner. Guess he took off.

I declared war on Athens. It was fun. I think Dubb was the only other one to do so.

So there was no lynch? Odd.

Like I said, I think our runner admitted...which I think it was PB. I didn't really get a good look into the thread. I'm kinda...kinda...working here. I'm guessing PB took off to Athens before his lynch went through.

We need to get a party started up in here.

That really makes no sense. A tie would lynch everyone who was tied and result in a multiple lynch.


vote Poli

Party, Pizza Party!

Say what you say. I had one vote on me. PB had about eleventy billion.

Granted I don't understand how the runner would work.

Gotta bolt, will be back tonight.

FWIW, I see PB just posted in Athens. He must have bolted over. I wasn't the 2nd leading vote getter, either. That was dubb. The votes must have stuck on PB, who took off.

I then, which I believe is the first time ever I was a day oner, a night kill.

I'm almost honored...but I don't feel like I ever have anything to provide the village.

I HAVE to finish my work up here. I'll be back later.

Sparta and Athens are both kicking your butts in total post counts you slackers!

Vote Count:

Who cares about the living. They're so...boring.

So the wolves went after Schmidty, a no vote who now automatically has one vote against him for that. I know that I am a villager. That tells me that Poli is not a villager. The wolves planted you here (from Sparta where they can probably afford to lose a wolf as I think there are 5 wolves with 3 in Sparta and 2 in Athens).You come in and immediately vote for Schmidty. Why? That seemed quite deliberate.

It looks like Schmidty is doomed no matter what at this point. Hopefully he shows up and votes Poli so that we get rid of at least one wolf tomorrow.

Today was my first day at my new job. I fell asleep last night at my desk, woke up at 2 a.m. and went to bed. I thought I would have time to vote this morning, but I had to shower, take my kid to school and be at work by 9 a.m., so there wasn't anything I could do.

Sucks to be voted off because of something I can't control. Of course, that happened to hoops last game, so i can't complain I guess.

Oops. Looks like I was night killed.

This f*cking sucks.

Vote Schmidty

For what it's worth (and no offense to Pass), but I think the missing a vote thing is absolute trash. It punishes people for things that happen in real life, and I think it's totally unfair.

Meh, whatever. I did it on the "always vote for schmidty". Smart money says Schmidty will side with me based on your argument and help me vote you out.

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE EAGLEFAN

Schmidty, a little help for your boy, please.

I'm making a little rule change here. Two reasons -- one, I'm not trying to penalize people for having real-life issues, the vote penalty is really meant to weed out people who aren't playing at all, and two, I didn't think about what a killer it would be to have a one-vote penalty with only three people in Hades. So I'm changing the rule so that the one-vote penalty will not apply until there are six people in Hades.

Vote Count:

Poli -- 1 EagleFan (15)
Schmidty -- 1 Schmidty (28)
EagleFan -- 1 Poli (30)

What happens if it ends up in a three way tie? Based on the tiebreaker rule, do all three die? :)

Schmidty, don't vote yourself out. I know I am good and I don't think you are a wolf so that pretty much leaves us one choice. Two if no lynch is a valid vote.

I also think that my logic is fairly valid too. Especially with that initial vote penalty when it was in play. It gives the wolves an easy way to clean house on the first day in Hades and get rid of two villagers easily.

Yeah, right. Nice logic. Whatver.

I know I'm a villager. I know that you're pressing awfully hard...which I think is crazy.

I also know schmidty will side with me...so good luck with that, eags.

On second thought, I don't think I'll bother reading much more of this "I'm a villager" crap.

Eags, you might be a villager. I am a villager.

I think we're probably sitting on three villagers here, to be honest.

Don't be a goob.

This concludes my posting until the deadline.

Do the right thing, Schmidty, or your off my myspace. ;)

Just kidding, of course, about the myspace.

It all adds up. Poli with his immediate vote on Schmidty who already had the one hanging over his head, just like it was planned by the wolves. Schmidty, there is one chance that you will remain alive after day 2 and that is to vote Poli. Unless of course Schmidty actually ends up being a wolf but I doubt that.

Me = villager
Schmidty = ? To expand on that. If he was a wolf who was inactive why would the wolves put him in Hades right away. I know he was starting a new job by what he posted in Athens earlier in the weekend and can buy that he got tied up with all of that going on and missed the vote (especially with the vote penalty I can't see there being a plan by the wolves to put him here if he was a wolf). I am pretty sure that Schmidty can make my CoT quite easily.
Poli = ??? Yes it helps the wolves in the main cities if they put three (or 4 if it had turned out that way) villagers in Hades but it helpe them even more if they put a wolf in Hades to clear out villagers early.

It makes even more sense when you see how Poli's tone seemed to change after Pass changed the rule that Schmidty had an automatic vote on him with the no vote.

To be fair, Poli and I ALWAYS vote each other on day 1, even if we change it later. It's tradition. I do however, understand that the wolves could use that to their advantage. Since it looks innocent. But damnit, I don't want to blow tradition.


But couldn't this same argument be made about you (or even me I suppose)? It could just as well be you as could be Poli.

This is a rough one. What about a tie?

Bravo, Schmidty.

Now do the right thing. Keep the one of us you like.

Don't let Poli push you around. Think it through logically. The wolves were split in a fair manner according to Pass. There are most likley 4 or 5 wolves. That would mean either 2 in each or 2 in Athens (the smaller of the cities) and 3 in Sparta. Why would the sacfifice one of their 2 in Athens to leave themselves with just one wolf in that town and fighting an uphill battle? They can only kill in a city where they have one wolf. You will still be alive day three if it is you and me left. I doubt that if you vote me out.

Look back at Poli's reactions. He had a much stronger negative reaction after it was declared that the automatic vote for you was not in affect.

If you do vote me out watch your back.


From Athens: Abe and either CR or hoops (my money is on CR)
Here: Poli

Hopefully you get the chance to pass that along if I go. Unfortunately that is all I have been exposed to so I can't be of any help from that point forward.

Now I just confused myself with another thought. What if Schmidty is a wolf? How would that play out?

They would lose a wolf in Athens and be down to one wolf. That would be bad... but... according to Poli PB has most likley jumped ship to Sparta. A runner can be a wolf I believe. If it's 3 in Sparta and 2 in Athens they send one (Schmidty) to Hades with the goal in mind of jumping another into Athens in his place. They would be able to orchestrate this kind of move with PM ability.

The only thing that I would absolutely HATE about that is that Schmidty had a real world reason to be absent day one. This would mean that real world events would be used as a ploy (the whole give him a break because of what he was doing in RL reasoning). I really hope that is not the case as that would be a pretty childish play.

Because of this I have to stay with my original line of thought and think Poli must be the wolf.

This is rough. I'm going to have to piss off one of you, and you're both my boyz (I'm hip) so I feel bad either way.

The other thing is that I'll have to vote right before bed (now), or right before work (2 hours before deadline), so I could be toast either way.

Right now, I'm suspicious of EF, just because he's pushing so hard. HOWEVER, Poli is seemingly going put meekly, so I'm going to put this out for now before bed:

Unvote Schmidty the Great

Vote Poli the Awesome

I will try to check the thread for a few minutes before work and kid delivery tomorrow morning, so I'm kind of "sleeping on it".

Not really trying to push hard, just tryinvg to get my thoughts out there so that if I get lynched maybe it will benefit the villagers at some point.

I know there is still the possibility that there are three villagers here which would really suck for us in that a vilager goes home after the vote. On the bright side it would also mean that only one goes home as there wouldn't be a night kill here.

Thinking a little moe about this I doubt that PB is bad if he jumped ship. The wolves would benefit more by having 4 people in Hades day one with 1 wolf.

I am willing to put my cards on the table. Vanilla villager. Unfortunately there are not many cards to be put on the table for me since that is all that I am.


Scenarios:

3 villagers - if this ends up being the case I would be okay with getting the boot as I have no role to protect and thus am less important to the cause. If there are three villagers here than PB is a wolf, that tells me the wolves want us to vote out a villager here for them and they try for an early win in the smaller of the cities (we thought it was 7-2 in the city to start, with Schmidty and me gone it is 5-2 and if they bring PB over it makes it 5-3 and they are one day of avoiding a lynch away from winning that city).

2 villagers and 1 wolf - I know I am a villager so it's 50/50 between the two of you and it makes more sense for Poli to be the odd man out in that case. Why send Schmidty in with a vote against him (at the time this was still he rule, since the woves were able to orchestrate the move I would hope the rule wouldn't change in their favor for that one). With all that said it's really more like 80/20 Poli being a wolf if there is a wolf among us.

2 wolves / 1 villager - highly doubt ths as that would not be a good play for the wolves at all, I'm pretty well screwed if this is the case but it plays out better for the village in the long run so I accept my fate at this point if this is the case.

3 wolves - 0 percent chance

Abe is probably a wolf and I think CR is either a wolf or the Evil Historian trying to gain favor and picked up the wolfish pings coming off Abe.

If Abe is a wolf and CR is the EH, hoops could very well be a wolf as he seemed to fall inline with what be was saying without actually agreeing with him.

If Abe is a wolf than Lathum is good. I suspect Abe was trying to make the new guy the duke because there is a better than average chance that Lathum pings wolf to a new player who has not played with him before.

I really have no contingency plan for Abe being good. I wasn't there long enough to get a read on many others and there was not a lot of posting after Sunday night in the Athens thread.

CR reminded me too much of Danny from last game, trying to offer up too much information and ideas. I thought he usually starts out slow but maybe I am wrong about that.



Sorry, a little insomnia tonight after working a 16 hour day (and having a call with our India office which totally pissed me off, I hate it when something that you put effort on to design gets changed by someone who thinks they know better and what they changed will not work, now I have to get it fixed at the last minute).

Poli is a villager with a role. That's what *I* got.

And...I'm off to work for the rest of the day.

You know what, I'll just go ahead and say it, because I'm really embarassed about how Eaglefan is pushing. I'm a Hoplite. I'm a villager and a hoplite. I orginally thought everyone's a villager and a hoplite, so I didn't protect anyone.

Pass ended up telling me I can't protect myself anyway, so it's moot. I sent in a protection of Eagle, thinking that Schmidty was AWOL for some reason or another and Eagle seemingly could use it.

I'm changing it now.

I doubt based on my experience in this game that'll I'll be playing again for a while.

I'm really disappointed in you, Schmidty.

Morning vote count:

Rushing out the door before work. I'll buy your story.

Unvote Poli

Vote Eaglefan

I hope you weren't using drama to sway me. That would suck.

EF, I'm sorry if I got it wrong. Either way, I feel .like shit.

If he's a hoplight there is a 50/50 chance of him being an EVIL hoplight. Why let someone cray a river about not playing again based on being voted out affect your vote?

Oh well, villager about to go out.


Watch list:

PB - if he really jumped as Poli says it could very well be a wolf jumper trying to sure up aa city early (going for the smallest city first)

Poli - Bad hoplight? I have been floundering on this lately though as maybe he is good and we have 3 villagers in Hades but am quite sickened by the "I may stop playing" crap because he was being voted for so I hope he gets voted out soon just based on that.

Abe - orchestrated everything in Athens

CR - seemed to follow right along with Abe

hoops - lesser of the reads on him, followed along with Abe but less of a wolfish ping

Lathum - If Abe is a wolf Lathum is good (based on the day one read)

TheNorm - Probably a villager being used by Abe

Schmidty - I feel very certain that he is a villager, would be very dissapointed on several levels if he is a wolf

I guess on the bright side I will be able to read the Sparta thread later today and catch up on what happened in Athens since yesterday.

Go village!!!

To whoever joins Hades today. If only one of the two remain, that person is a wolf.

Also, take Poli out tomorrow. If he is going to get so uptight about votes on him that he cries about not playing again he deserves your vote no matter what side he is on.

Good luck Schmidty. Remember what I have posted. Hopefully I at least picked something up in there and that it helps.

Do we need much more motivation? It's a freaking game and the only things being said in thread were game related observations. It's pretty sad if that's going to push someone over the edge.

No need to feel like shit, it's just a game. Unfortunately I have been saying nothing but the truth the whole time. Poli may very well also be a villager but I know that I am and see no reason to doubt that you are. That tells me that either Poli is a wolf or we have three villagers here. I have no role so all the village loses with me are numbers.

With that said, it's pretty tough having a conversation in here with no one else.


Hi Autumn.

I don't think we're catching Sparta or Athens with post count today. :)

I can't keep up with those cities all by myself...

Don't worry Schmidty. I am not disappointed in you. It's just a game and you did what you did. As you are about to see it was unfortunately not a good thing (unless you actually are a wolf and have me completely fooled).

Kind of sad that the previously quoted post was even made.

Can I read the other threads yet? This one kind of sucks so far anyway.

Wow, a deca-dola?

Think you have to wait until you get the PM just in case something happens unknown behind the scenes and you aren't dead.

I know, just waiting it out and having fun in my thread. ;) It seems like my thread at least with all the silence.

Uh oh, the wolves got Pass?

The village decides to lynch EagleFan. EagleFan was a villager!

I can read other thread now?

Yes. Do whatever you want. :P

Coming in through the River Styx:

Chief Rum
jeheinz72
saldana
USFLTecmo

Well hell.

yo yo yo...hows it hanging in the underworld.

nice to see you here heinze, since you were the one that got me lynched.

i'll catch up the whole thread when i get home from work

Welcome to Hades. Please exit your boat to the left. Please do not pet the Cerberus.

This is a bunch of horsepuckey. I"m confused how it all went down though. You were the leading vote getter and Danny said he had "fireworks" in store.

So did he duke to me and the wolves night killed you?

Or did he BS it since he's (IMO) a farkin wolf and you got lynched and I was the night kill?

Inquiring minds want to know.

But he looks so cuddly!

So I'm stuck in a room with a buncha dead guys and Alan T?

This is not the kind of game I thought I signed up for.

With 6 people now in Hades, the one-vote penalty is back.

Vote Count

Schmdty -- 1 Passacaglia (77)

Yes, and he also loses the "i" from his name.

Dude that's hard-core!

i dont know...since i was ahead in votes, i left the thread at 3 and waited to hear from pass...i never even saw the part about "fireworks" from danny.

"I"s are forbidden in Hades Passacagla

Oh, whoops if I broke a rule :(

I just didn't think myself a likely death really. But yeah, I guess it doesn't matter since I don't know for sure how it went down.

I think that's part of the idea of how things are set up, to keep as much suspense as possible.

Pass, I see you decorated in here. Scarlet and gray, I suppose this really IS Hades, isn't it?

I don't think you would think that if you saw today. I wanted to rip him a new one (although incidentally, I think he's a villager; a pretty crappy playing one, but a villager nonetheless).

hoops made the same sorta comment about me. What neither of you are factoring in is that I am aways me when I play these games. I don't change, I just play the same way, style wise.

When you see a difference, it has nothing to do with allegiance, but with availability. This game essentially started on Sunday (my only day off), instead of Monday (traditionally a two-job day for me), and it was a boring day off on Sunday, too. Result? A highly unusual number of posts from me.

Think about it, EF. I have been both a villager and a wolf in recent games. Did I start either of those games this way? Chances are, most people would see similarities in my play in all of those games, because they all generally started with me having limited availability (like usual). This game's just unusual in that respect, in that it started on a Sunday.

USFL, I booked after saying I was considering quitting (and I was, but now that the jackass who pissed me off ain't in the same city, I figure I'll stick around and hope he stays there). So what happened after I left? Was I voted off? At the time I left (20 mins until deadline), I had no votes, so I would guess I was killed by the wolves. I know you had one vote for sure, maybe two. Either Abe or hoops were leading.

Well if it's any consolation Chief, I think EF is dead anyhow if I'm reading above correctly.

So how did you Athenites bite it? Who was the lynch and who was the night kill?

Yeah, there was a tidal wave on me late, for some reason, and Norm ended up pushing me off the ledge, so to speak. You'd have had to be the night kill.

All I know if I'm not voting Poli today. When he bit the dust he was confirmed as the good Hoplite in Sparta.

The only person I don't have reason to believe is good is saldana. Poli's apparently the good Hoplite, Heinz wouldn't have told us so if he was a baddie, he'd have just offed him at the first opportunity, Chief was a nightkill, Schmidty was a nightkill, and I know I'm a villager, which doesn't really make anyone believe it besides me.

Either Chief or schmidty could have been a wolf sacrificed down to hades, but I doubt Schmidty is at this point, as there was no nightkill here. Ouch. This doesn't look good for us. Either that, or I'm way too trusting.

Okay, I see EF is a goner already. We knew after lynching him yesterday that he was a villager. Shame we couldn't be here to save him today.

I still don't know how I died. Hopefully USFL will know more.

PB is actually a cleared villager. He showed up in Athens as the Marathoner Runner from Sparta, and we challenged the other MR (Athens' original) to come out and challenge him as a wolf, and that other MR stayed hidden. So PB, in my mind, is cleared.

Our Ephor was either Lathum or TheNorm, based on how we did the vote. Whoever it is may have used their power, with me being here being a surprise (unless I was wolf killed).

Abe claimed to be the Phoenix of Athens.

I was trumping a theory when killed that Schmidty, making a name for himself here, I see, is a wolf, based on the fact that the wolves passed over both Ephor candidates and several veteran players not starting new jobs to wolf kill Schmidty, which suggests to me he is likely a wolf missionary from Athens to get their mission started here in Hades.

I don't have much doubt either Poli or Schmidty are wolves, just based on common sense. I know if I were a wolf, I would send one down right away, to increase the wolves' reach and info-gathering ability, and so the villagers don't get too powerful a hold before the wolves get there.

Thoughts?

jeheinze? saldana? Any info on what's going on in Sparta? Can you confirm that PB came up cleared villager?

Schmidty could still be a wolf. He couldn't kill here on Day One without it being obvious he was a wolf.

Nice to be able to confirm Poli.

Oh, and with the Spartans confirming Poli, if my one wolf in the first two night kills theory is correct, that lends obvious credence to the suggestion that Schmidty is a wolf.

Sparta as I left it, was a touch of a clusterfuck really.

Day One:

PB revealed as the Runner pretty early. Dubb was basically haywire all day and managed to accuse just about everyone at some point. Then just decided that PB *had to* be the bad runner. I thought him insane that he could be so sure, but in the end, the idea that PB was at least 50/50 bad prevailed and he was lynched. I don't believe we got word on if PB ended up being good or bad. If we did then I forget, so it was probably that he was good (since I'd have surely remembered had we been told he was a wolf).

Night one was the Poli killing and we were told he was a villager hoplite

Day Two: It became clear Danny was our Ephor. Our candidates were he, clap and someone else and Clap said he didn't get it. I know I had voted for Danny so it made sense to me he got it.

Our Day Two vote was basically a sit around and wait. No real votes most of the day and it was a tie at or near two votes between candidates of Sal, Clap and Jackal. Dubb picked up a one off vote. BK never did vote. In the end sal had the most votes at 3, but Danny said to "expect fireworks" and then I left to get some work done.

Next thing I know I'm in Hades. So either Danny ephor'd it to me and they then strangely night-killed sal anyhow or Danny bluffed and Sal was lynched and I was night killed. I don't know for sure either way. My hunch is that Danny is a wolf based upon either action of that result. I was a voter on sal but not with a whole lotta force to be honest. He was at the top of a meager list of candidates really and the most suspicious thing he did in my mind was seemingly continue to pair votes with clap. But Sal also stepped up big time and basically kept sacrificing himself to avoid a tie-vote scenario multiple times. I agreed with his plan and would've moved my vote, but in doing so my only real options would have then created some form of tie or lined my vote up with him and clap which I wasn't so hot on.

if sal isn't a wolf, then I would wager at the least Danny and Clap are from Sparta

If sal is a wolf, Danny might be still and they thought it worth it to send him here as a villager (via the night kill) rather than overtly as a wolf (via a lynch). That or sal happens to be a wolf and Danny happens to be a friggin retard.

Hi guys. Please don't take my stance against EF as off-putting. I just didn't like how he "came after me". I honestly don't know what got into him thinking..."OMG, POLI IS WOLF!1!!"

I wouldn't have minded a decent conversation about the merits of all three of us being villagers vs. wolves. Holy cow, though, it seemed like no matter what I posted he had a way to twist it to his own satisfaction, which honestly made playing this game very unfulfilled.

Quite honestly, one of us may have been a wolf. I still think there was a better chance none of us were.

Sadly, his play became tiring for me to even bother reading. I decided to come out with my information. Seriously, I thought I would be dead this afternoon. Eagle's argument that there was a 50/50 shot of me being a wolf I figured would persuade Schmidty.

I'm surprised that it came out in Sparta that I was a good Hoplite. Unfortunately, if there's a wolf amongst us today, I will be dead tomorrow, lynched or not.

In that case, gentlemen, it was fun sans Eaglefan.

No offense, Eags, you just kind of sapped the fun out of what I thought would be a "fun time" in Hades (hence a number of posts I started with here).

God speed, villager.

Oh, and guys, welcome to Hell.

Just to add on to my previous post...I recall an argument that lynching PB made sense as there was a 50/50 shot he was bad being the marathon runner. I figured the same argument would be made here once I revealed as the hoplite.

I had a small hope that even in my lynching that if someone else revealed as a hoplite that they would be doomed by my action.

I can see where you're coming from on that Poli. I think EF likely meant well, but I know that's happened to me before with him (maybe not to that degree tho)

That said, I'm off for my run and workout. I'll be back in an hour or so.

Yeah I'll be back in the morning ready to discuss the matter at hand.