Ah, so today's success was solely based on the success of the mission?

Interesting. So EF was right.

I will be running the night shortly

You might be right, my apologies, and apparently since the mission succeeded anyway, we gained nothing other than a new union camp.

It would seem to me then that the Missions can actually carry a lot more weight than we might think. We ought to dig into this idea and see see what sort of data we can mine out of it. We might find a diamond in the rough.

ok, Paths death is interesting.

Really solid vet who hasn't played much lately. That leads me to believe another vet took him out.

looking at the list of people who know how solid Path is I am drawn to

Lathum
Render
Barkeep
ChiefRum
Passacaglia
DL
Heinz
PB
NTNDeacon

I realize that is a large list.

Plus, my theory as to why it was a poor idea to reveal is being played out. IIRC Path DID NOT reveal.

Hmm, today's going to be tough. I don't think we'll be able to afford to "go extra" on these tasks, so obviously that's a concern (and with one less villager, too).

I can at least take care of half of Patrolling. I said I would reveal it if it came up, and here it is. Patrolling is my skill, and I do it 3x as good as a normal person.

So I will put in for Patrolling, and get us halfway there at least.

WORK ON PATROLLING

While I agree with your underlying theory (that a vet was involved in this), fact is, it only takes one, and the wolves can communicate privately (or actually don't recall reading that, but I assume, standard WW fare and all). And I would be pretty shocked in a game that has to have at least three wolves and probably more wouldn't have at least one on a list of nine people (almost half of the game roster).

In other words, this is something to keep in mind, but we're going to need a lot more (unfortunately).

Haven't really caught up much yet, but good result.

Haha. I'm not on your list!

I'll give you one more of these and then I'm off to bed until morning.


By 1898 coal owners in other states began to use West Virginia as their reason for not giving workers more. They claimed that the non-union WV was making coal cheaper, and they could not afford salary increases or more benefits when competing against them. Unionize WV they claimed.

I guess I need to pony up

I am x3 on food distrinution

Work on food distribution

I just read the mission and daily goal. I have a possibility to throw out today. What if all 20 of us go on the mission? Yeah I know this screws us for the day in converting the camps, but just assuming everyone got an item (Abe only said most will) that would mean anywhere from 14-16 villagers with items and 3-5 wolves with items.

If it is decided this a bad idea, I will be working in food distribution since it is my specialty even though I do want an item!

yeah.

I'm drunk

I've only been playing about a year on here, but I know Path can be a strong player. I think this list would be just as likely to include me as any of those here which means it probably could include others.

yeah

I'm drunk.

dola- not a fan of all going on the mission. I have a feeling if we all abandon the effort to convert people to the union it will have bad effects

Interesting concept, and not one I am against if it's an idea that gains some momentum. I have already put in my work task, of course, but I think I read I can get out of that, if needed.

I guess people need to ask themselves if we all think today's camp is achievable, or if we're looking at a serious uphill battle? Yesterday, we needed 18 "credits" toward work. Today? 29. Ouch.

Also quite conceivable. I guess the question is if no one does work, is it worse than just not completing all the work? Or is it just either "the work is done" or "the work isn't done", and it doesn't matter if the units toward work are one short or 20 short.

Well I don't appear to be any help on the work today other than 1 unit so I will wait to see what we decide. I think I'm leaning towards going on the mission.

GOING ON MISSION.

I think my searching ability means I'll come up with something useful.

God speed, path. I guess we can be taken out of this game after all.

I'll be selfish since my skills aren't useful today. If we decide my labor will help then I will switch.

go on mission

Abe, can we get an answer on CR's question? My hunch is that the 2nd one is true -- the rules say we must convert a certain number of camps in a certain number of days, so if we take the rules at their word, it seems like it wouldn't matter.

So I'm inclined to lean toward agreeing with Danny, but if we have the roles for it, I think this town CAN be converted. If we have two patrollers at x3 (CR plus one more), three food distributors at x3 and 6 at x1, and three organizers at x3, we're getting the job done with 14 out of 19 people, and the rest can be used as backup. This is a best-case scenario, of course -- so far, we only have one patroller, two food distributors, and no organizers (so I don't even know if it's x2 or x3). But hopefully we learn more as the morning progresses.

Your vet list seems like a good place to start. This, however, seemed much more telling to me. The wolves killed somebody that never revealed their job or their work hours, which made Path unpredictable. You may be right regarding reveals but I also don't think we could have coordinated work and won the mission (although I guess we didn't really need to do both) without them.

Yikes, two mission posts as I was typing that. I'm heading to work, but I hope we're not deciding to punt on the camps this early in the day. And I'm really skeptical of people who choose to go on the mission, since it brings a benefit to those who go on it, regardless of allegiance.

path dying contradicts your theory. They attacked path despite his not revealing. This suggests clearly to me that they were focused on other factors not the reveals.

PB, are you a searcher type?

Sure. The automatic win here was nice, but hardly necessary considering the work we've done. We have no sense of how often mining accidents will come up, nor what the reward will be for winning those missions. We do know what the reward will be for winning the camps, that is winning the game. I see no particular reason to think that winning future missions will be essential to that goal if we organize well.

I am pretty disappointed to see the first two people posting both choosing to take the selfish route. I will likely be establishing my work early.

No, I am an orator.

With 29 units, it seems like we're going to have to walk a really fine line to get everything done. Perhaps I've been wrong yet again and succeeding at the mission is essential as we'll perhaps need items we find?

Since food distribution is the largest, and we only have 1 who has claimed that skill, I believe, I'm going to help out there.

Work on food distribution

I have nothing to say, and this bothers me :(

did you refer to me as DL instead of DT or am I just not on your list cuz you hate me? :rant:

i'd like to go on the mission - my oratory skills aren't useful and there's the possibility i can find something very helpful to us on the mission

WORK ON PATROLLING

I'm x3 with it, and CR claims to be. If we fail without adding any more workers to this, I know who I'm pointing my finger at, and everyone else will have a 50/50 chance at hitting the sympathizer. I suppose if there's someone else that's x3 Patrol, they'd help guarantee the task is done, but otherwise, I can't see the benefits of three more of us on this.

No, you cannot get an answer.

Seriously? This seems pretty important for us to know, since it's one of the ways we win the game.

x2

That makes sense. I thought you were trying to attribute our success in the evening to the camps, when the way I read this, the reward laid out (gaining an ally) was due to winning the mission, not the camps. But it seems like we're on the same page, and others who weren't have now been corrected.

Big agree about people taking the selfish route. I guess the two people who have done it are searchers, so they probably see their skill as useful on it, but they REALLY have to realize how it looks, when a lot of work is required to get the camps today, and they could potentially be gaining an advantage when we're still not sure if we can trust them.

I think this is a valid work action for you still, but I have both EagleFan and Danny as good food distributors.

Now that I'm looking at my list, PB is Oratory, not Searching. That makes him look fishier to me.

The rules say that labor has to win 8 camps in order to win. You also win if you take out all of the sympathizers. You'll also win if you trigger the game-winning event and win it, instead of the sympathizers. Sympathizers win after a certain number of days passes and the camps are unconverted. Sympathizer when when they get a 1:1 ratio with Labor. And if they win the major game ending event, they win the game.

That's all I can tell you.

Thanks for the correction. I hadn't marked EF on my list of claimed skills. I still think it makes sense, given the total needed, for me to work on it though (as I think you do).

fair enough

I agree. Poli to a certain extent is explained. PB? Not as much.

i'd like to go on the mission, because if i find something in particular it will help us.

on the other hand - things can be passed with impunity, so i am okay with not going on the mission - but i wonder if the people that do, when they come back, if they found something, would be willing to pass it around to others if it's not useful to them? that way maybe we could get the potential benefits of more of us going without actually going...

I'm not sure that my specialty matters, but I think it may be more useful in patrolling than the others. There's a possibility that it will give me a 2x edge. So, I will do that.

I'm very suspicious of anyone who's signed up for the mission at this point. We have no idea if we can manage to squeak out these camp jobs at this point. That smells of Sympathizers eager to get their hands on something.

WORK ON PATROLLING

dola

To further explain, so far unless more specializations are revealed we need 21 people to complete our three jobs. Hopefully we'll see some more specialists, but until we do we can't afford anyone to go on the mission.