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I don't understand the brit night kill myself, unless he said something that seemed like a tell about a role (I haven't read back on his posts).
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Hey! I said something... :) |
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EagleFan 2-Fontisian(355), Jag(356) Shoveler 1-EagleFan(360) Timmae 1-Path(361) Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360) |
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Trying to frame EF seems most likely to me, although it feels very obvious. Quote:
To be honest, I was expecting you or font to get taken out. |
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Well he was on the block until 9:59 so it would have to be a pretty damned solid read to believe that when he didn't reveal at any stage. For that to work it would have to be an early read and then the wolves weren't around going into the last hour or so. I don't think wolves around near deadline would think he could be seer and not reveal when his head is on the block at 9:58. |
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Yeah I used to think that. That said I think wolf-people are savvy enough to move their vote around even if it's all village. |
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So if the wolves felt they had a read on brit earlier in the day, we know now that they were wrong. If they did not have a read on brit, why take him out? |
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Well, that's kind of the question I've been asking myself all day. If someone does find an early read then that would be interesting as it suggests (to me at least) wolves who weren't around near deadline. The obvious answer seems to be setting up Eagle and/or cheeki. The wolves don't know who is going to die when they put in the order so it would have to be a conditional - "kill cheeki unless he is lynched, in which case kill Brit". I'm struggling to see why a wolf Eagle would put in that order. |
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Very interesting theory. I am absolutely convinced that EF is not a wolf. He would not have called for nightfall if he were. However, I don't necessarily buy his "piggybacking" read on Shoveler. |
I'm going to fall back on voting for the guy with least posts at the moment. A vote on Autumn that I questioned him about, an explanation that he wanted to see how "things play out" and then moving it to cheeki, with non-committal explanation about feeling better about the other lead-getters at the time. I'd say the most significant comment is offering support to Eagle last night but, at the time, that might have been the wise wolf-play - if they were expecting the village to take out Eagle anyway. Also the (admittedly vague) theory of an inexperienced/not-around-at-deadline wolf team.
Mostly a prod vote though. Vote Raven |
Yeah, I'm crap at role-reading but I don't see any seer hints from Brit. Role discussion has been more on the table than usual because of Vaimes but pretty much nothing. He hard-claimed vanilla villager at 19:10. I don't think the wolves thought Brit was the seer. In fact I'd go as far as saying that he would be one of the last people I'd kill if I was seer-hunting.
Brit posted reading Vaimes and Chief as neutral-to-good for what it's worth. |
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I have to run my son to day care, so I'll be back shortly to address this. But that last sentence was not my theory, someone else theorized that not me. |
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I have heard this a few times from a number of posters. Strangely enough, I don't know why this is. I don't have a strategy devised to make me hard to read. Just Chief being Chief, I guess. |
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Your experience notwithstanding, the BG here at FOFC usually survives the attack and retains their ability to protect. |
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I said that last earlier when I didn't fully understand the role, and I thought your strategy was to actually come out as the Martyr. If you were indeed the Martyr and not night killed that night, I think it's quite logical to lynch you at that point. That doesn't mean I won't lynch you on general principle, though. Your strategy only works to confuse the village, and so to my thinking, you are currently a negative for the village. That and your support for font's over the top run at EF. |
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Why? I don't understand why you are coming at him so hard. Even if you're actually the seer, you still wouldn't know anything. You get some whiff of a read and then you marry yourself to it like concrete bricks on a mafia rat in the Hudson. Your blind pursuit and lack of consideration for any other options is a detriment to the village. Right now, I view your actions as a negative to the village, and if I don't get a wolf read on someone, I will likely vote you. |
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FWIW I find that style useful but if you're the one doing them you should do whatever you find most comfortable. |
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Why? Not picking on you but I don't know how you think yet. |
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But you've suggested yourself that the Brit kill suggests wolves that may not be that experienced. |
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Exactly. New people/transports from other boards, pay attention here. We have been playing so long, we don't even claim to be villagers anymore at the start, unless pressed. It used to be this joke that our first post would always claim vanilla villager. We even lynched people who didn't do this! We have now gravitated to just assuming everyone is presumed to be a villager (no need to state it) unless they say otherwise or do something to cast doubt on that presumption. |
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Ditto my statement on font. It's a toss up between you two for me because I don't think either of you are helping the village. |
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I think it serves you well. |
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Huge +1. There are no mechanics in the game which would allow font to be that sure before the first deadline. If I am wrong and there are hidden mechanics, I would love for her to come out and explain. |
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I'm paraphrasing your quotes here, but... Why did you put this theory on me, when YOU are actually the one who keeps suggesting it? |
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Neither am I. If I didn't get a villager read on EF's frustration after this, I would also be very much questioning this move. |
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Narc can answer for himself but I didn't read what he wrote as putting his theory on you. Rather, I read it as just another reason to toss his vote your way. |
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I actually am wondering on Shoveler as well. Shoveler and Grover, who went early and completely off the chart from candidates with his Autumn vote. Perhaps he was busy after the morning, but it is an odd outlier vote that sounds traditionally wolfish to me. Now as to the nightfall. That's chickenshit, EF. You're better than that. I understand the irritation, but you got to handle it better. |
I love reading along when someone is catching up. Sometimes I find things I missed.
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I see Shoveler has come back to responding to this, but EF's point resonates with me for some reason. Life gets in the way, but sometimes it's a strategy to hide behind. So it is something I am considering. |
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I generally find that not commenting at all when you're around and a big debate is going around is wolfish behavior, keeping a low profile while the villagers fight it out. So whatever the reason, it looks bad to not be participating. If I didn't know I was at my other job from 4-ish on and unable to be online, I would look askance at my own history of non-participation yesterday evening. It just doesn't look good. As to your last point and I see Narc raises it later, it is a very curious move for sure. |
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I agree that EF probably wasn't scanned, given the circumstances. I don't agree that should put him back on the block. I just think it delays his scan to tonight. |
CR: I mentioned a couple of times yesterday I wasn't going to be around past 5PM EST, due to my bowling league. That will happen again tonight.
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Great post. Even more at issue is that even if Zinto allowed the wolves to make conditionals based on the lynch results, he wouldn't have told them what happens in a tie. Just how many conditionals would have had to be sent in this situation? No, I think brit was targeted for a kill earlier than the deadline. That said, it seems clear the wolves wanted to take out a leading vote getter, since brit was high on the block most of the day. Doing so seems to be nonsensical. My only thought is that they might have gotten a seer read off of him and decided that was more important. And that would mean EF is not a wolf because they would not leave a wolf EF as the one surviving candidate with two villagers in a three-man lynch vote (at least not to kill a possible seer on a whim--they would have held off and killed brit the next night). |
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Trust me, no one likes it. I posted it after you posted this, but a few posts up on this one, I call out EF for his move. It's a crap move, and I can't stand it. It's just a game, people. |
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Good point. That just makes the move even more curious. It would like worse for EF to me, but I just don't read his reactions to being targeted as being wolfish. EF is brilliant and he could be playing us with this, but I don't think so. We have all been there, feeling helpless that no one will listen to what we're saying or seems to be against us for no reason at all. It might be for meta-ish reasons, but what font said she had heard is true: villagers tend to get very irrational when targeted. And often upset and do emotional things. |
Yep I completely understand that my intended participation yesterday versus the actual participation looks bad. I will try to rectify that going forward, but if it is to late, I guess it will be a lesson learned.
That being said. I'll be paying attention to the thread for the next couple hours, but I'm taking my son outside and then making him lunch. So I wont be at the computer to post. I guess I need to be more specific when I say I am "around". I can answer any questions and make comments once he goes down for a nap in a couple hours. |
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Shoveler, I would like to hear more of your thoughts on this too (path's response above is in response to Shoveler) |
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Double-edged sword actually. It stops people from lynching me early, because they don't want to risk losing both a possible roled player and an experienced player. But at some point, they vote to remove me on the basis that they can't trust me, even when I am a full on villager. That and the circular reasoning that if I am still alive after Day Three, I must be a wolf lol. |
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Heh... hope it helps! |
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WOLF!!! :D Okay, I kinda remember that but forgot. |
And forgive me not looking back, Grover, but why The Jackal? Regular meta/no-read Day One vote?
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Or Autumn, whoever you voted for. I forget and I don't have the vote list handy here.
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This. I've been there. I saw CF do it in the Mars game. I saw Grover do it when he called for nightfall. I saw GE respond this way when voted out early twice in a row (though he Duked the first game). And it seems to be EF's response here. It's an annoyed "fk this stupid game. I quit." emotional response to being lynched when you're a villager and no one believes you. |
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Based on a conversation i had with autumn while we ran the last game. I made the comment to him that font and narc seemed to draw the early night kills. He basically told me that was standard wolf procedure to take out the villagers that were the highest threats early. Chief was also mentioned as a top 3 target. |
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Because he's a Redskins fan. Just the random vote to get discussion going. No other reason. |
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This thought came to me too, but only after I realized it was his own theory. When I originally read it, and without knowing whose theory it was, it sounded like he was pinning it on me since it was all lumped together in one paragraph. Regardless, I am glad I clarified, because others may read it the way I originally did. |
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Cool. But at that time, here was the vote (piecing together from Narcizo's recap): Britrock 4 -- JAG (69), Autumn (107), Narc (192), path (193) Cheeki 2 -- Shoveler (63), Jackal (160) Vaimes 2 -- Britrock (115), Cheeki (179) EagleFan 2 -- fontisian (61), Vaimes (71) Autumn 2 -- timmae (99), Raven (171) fontisian 1 -- EagleFan (96) Jackal 1 -- Grover (104) Things were clearly consolidating. But you still left your vote out there. |
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And I felt at the time, that I did not have nearly enough information to go off of to make a solid vote. Not seeing the board again until after deadline makes it hard to vote in the end. |
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But nobody has a solid day 1 read. And it wasn't like things were switching all over, the last vote before your post #204 was at 12:58 Pacific (mine on Brit). Post 204 was at 1:37 Pacific. The vote contenders were taking shape and you just decided not to, and that raises an eyebrow for me. |
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