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I really need to do a self evaluation to figure out why I am not as fearful about things as I should be. I feel like we all should be shooting way more than we are due to fear of life.
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The bolded bit are the magic words that get 99.99% of police officers, on duty or off, acquitted in the rare event they have to face the music. I think the only time I've seen it NOT work was when there was video evidence directly contradicting the officer's testimony in open court. And even then he was like "well maybe what I'm remembering is different than how it went down, but I'm not LYING. I just have a different memory of events than what the video shows." He got convicted, but on lesser charges than what were filed, IIRC. |
It's a homeless felon within arms reach, with a hatchet in his hand, in the process of committing a crime? I would never confront that person in a million years because it's unnecessarily putting myself in danger, and the store owner should get some punishment for escalating the situation, but yeah I'd buy that he was fearful at the time.
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I'd just throw out there that I'm not exactly comfortable with a guy stealing a hatchet and I'm glad that he was confronted. I mean what are the odds that the guy uses the hatchet for firewood vs using the hatchet to split a guy's skull open?
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The damn US contagion is spreading.
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Very possible we narrowly avoided a school shooting close to home. Anderson County is the next county over from me and about 30 minutes west of Lexington.
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As a follow-up on this, locally it's gotten a fair amount of coverage as you would expect, but the circumstances are now making the national rounds. This guy randomly messaged some woman in NJ with racist comments about her kids, and she had a gut feeling something wasn't right, so she called KSP which lead to him being arrested as he was pulling out of his driveway armed for a school shooting. You can literally see the local high school from his house. https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jerse...ng-in-kentucky |
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Wow, I didn't hear about this one. Hard to swallow, but KY does have a special breed here. |
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Thank God she made that call. This member of the heavily armed well-regulated militia still has his Facebook page up and it's equally creepy. Photos of the Columbine shooters and Timothy McVeigh. |
Definitely scary what could have happened.
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That Kroger shooting seems racially motivated and could have been worse. He tried to shoot up a church.
You'll also notice that his background involves violence against women. A common theme in almost every mass shooter. 'Whites don't shoot whites,' suspected gunman told man after killing 2 black customers at Kentucky Kroger - Chicago Tribune https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/us/ke...ing/index.html |
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Why? The feds are investigating it as a hate crime.
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I didn't read the story but most murders in this country are intraracial. |
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Squirrel Hill is nice, not where you'd expect that type of thing...other than if you wanted to target Jews
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Dola- I Uber that block/region all the time. Crazy
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Trump is so bad at the easy part of the job. He can't provide any comfort.
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And he's already moved on to victim blaming by saying they should've been armed inside the synagogue. Fuck this guy and everybody who supports him or tries to gaslight with "both sides" nonsense.
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No better outcome to all of this than to ensure we have armed guards at our schools and churches. Perfect solution. Very comforting as well. Its like a win/win!
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He really is one of the most ignorant motherfuckers that has ever walked the earth. Pistol packing nuns, teachers and cocktail waitresses are the future of controlling gun violence, yep that's it. |
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Which is pretty much how those of us with working brains feel about the collection of fools opposing him, particularly when he's stating such simple & obvious truths like you quoted. But since you're spouting liberal lunacy I figure you can say whatever you want here & there's nobody going to touch you for it. |
How long until we find out this fucktwat had a history of beating women, supporting white nationalist groups and or was dishonorably discharged.
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There are 350000 or so religious congregations in the United States. Let's say you could figure out a way to cover every service with one guard per congregation, so 350000 armed, trained security guards. There are less than 670000 police officers in the United States. Where are these people coming from? And don't forget that you need multiple guards for each of the 130000 or so schools in the United States. This idea is going to need at least a million new armed, trained guards. I'm an elder in my church, so I know our budget problems well, and we're very similar to tens of thousands of other congregations. Let's say we can find a part-time guard for every service at the incredibly reasonable cost of 10000 a year. That would mean we end our local and global mission work and put all that money and more towards a security guard. Not only would we feel like a bunker, we'd basically be that as our connection to the rest of the world would completely end. Even if you accept the very problematic issue of worshipping in an armed environment, the practical realities make this and arming school guards terrible ideas. |
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Why stop there, I think the students need to be armed. They completely outnumber the teachers, and when a gunman comes in and there's 20 guns pointed at him he will really think twice! Hmm, so for safety in our free society, we need to have armed guards everywhere for every situation. For our safety, of course. |
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Murica ! Moooore Guns. Hope your ancestors get to live in a society more in tune with common sense. Maybe they'll even experience a year where you only have twice the rate of gun violence as the rest of the western world, rather than 5 times as many while still thinking the solution is somehow more guns and those choosing not to add them to the equation are the idiots. |
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Dude, that's exactly how the Rest of the Western World doe... wait, no. They regulate gun ownership beyond a token 'effort'. Sorry, it is a confusing topic. Also, a friend of mine is basically done with a 150 page dissertation on making a rock solid comparison between Trumps rhetoric and those of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and other enlightened great leaders. Main problem is cutting it to 150. In the hopes it gets through to at least one person, my usually attempt at offering a synopsis i find easy to grasp: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts |
The Jewish religion/country seems to have a unique set of hatred. Far right wingers hate them because they "control" everything. The far left hates them because they are anti-zionist over the whole middle east homeland thing. We don't have a big Jewish population where I live, so the hatred seems pretty minor as something in the forefront, though we had a huge shooting back in 99 on the other side of LA. Most conservative churches tend to still come out in support of Jews and Isreal because of the whole God's Chosen People dogma.
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I'm willing to bet most protestant churches in TX (and other gun friendly states) already have armed guards free of charge. Would you consider asking some in your congregation (former vets with no PTSD, former cops etc.) to do conceal carry and be that "last line of defense"? I would guess not and would then ask why would an equally "religious, moral, ethical" pastor in TX allow it? Interesting question to consider the differences in POV. |
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He and many of his supporters. I have already seen posts blaming video games (that's a lazy argument), liberal conspiracy (the bombs first and now this), the victims who somehow were asking for it (I blocked that idiot on FB after reading that) and ,in what seems like some of the worst logic ever, too much gun control. |
How do you guys have such horrible facebook friends?
I think one of the reasons I used to not quite realize the depth of Trump's base and how influential they were is that I just never saw them in real life. I have maybe 400 facebook friends - and zero public Trump supporters. Zero. There's 3-4 people that pass around lazy conservative memes once in a while, but they aren't really the super-hateful versions. I live in one of the reddest states in the country, and I do see some Trump bumper stickers and flags around election time, but, I have nothing to do with these people. I work in state government, surrounded by Republicans (I assume), and I've never heard a single positive word about Trump. Not one. I'm sure some of them voted for him, but they would never admit it. And while we don't really talk politics, I hear plenty of vague comments about the state of the Trump presidency generally as like a "who the fuck knows what's going to happen next" kind of thing. It's not that I specifically pick my facebook friends and people I hang out with at work based on politics - it's just kind of what my background and lifestyle is, I don't cross paths with these kinds of people. And I shoot guns in the desert for fun sometimes. But among every social and professional informal group I'm a part of, if someone said the slightest racist Trump-rhetoric kind of stuff - it just wouldn't fly, it just could never happen. It's been a revelation to me how much people hear this kind of stuff in their lives and on social media from people they know. |
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The point was twofold. First it was an example of a Protestant church that did not have armed guards free of charge. I am sure they have their reasons for not having one budgetary or otherwise. Second is that as far we know, the shooter today WAS a law abiding citizen right up until the time the bullets flew today. You did the research. He obtained all of his weapons legally. Yes, he spewed hate speech but let's be honest, we don't take that sort of stuff seriously anyways. He was the quintessential "good guy with a gun" right up until he wasn't. He is the guy who was armed free of charge! |
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When I said free of charge, I meant some congregation members would likely be carrying. We don't actually know if there were carry people in the church who was not able to stop the gunman (googled and did not find it). If your point is that even if there was, it was obviously ineffective, you would be right. I would still prefer someone carrying as a last line of defense vs not (same goes for schools). Please note, there are some on the board that thinks this means forcing teachers who are uncomfortable to carry and that is not what I am advocating. (My wife is a teacher, she and I talked and there admin/teachers who are obviously not geared to use weapons. However, there are some who grew up comfortable with weapons and if they go through training, background checks etc. I am all for it. BTW - in my county, there are armed resource officers in our schools, its not viewed as abnormal and majority of teachers welcome it. Admittedly we are in a wealthier county). Re: protestant church and arm guards in congregation. I did try to google on statistics/surveys but did not find any. So you are right that I cannot prove there most protestant churches in TX would have congregation members carry weapons. There is no law against it in TX (open but not concealed carry I think) and, knowing the stereotypical Texan, I would say it is likely. Quote:
You are right, so far he seems to be law abiding and no mental health that was obvious and was not on anyone's radar. I'm all for more gun control. I'm just not for being too restrictive (devil is in the details). I had another post that talked about my position on increased gun control including compulsory real training, background checks, closing gun show loopholes, tracking transfer of weapons etc. What is your solution? Are you more in the camp of increased gun control or more get rid of most guns? |
Four cops were shot in this so it's not like just having a guy with a gun around will save the day. In fact, most of the school shootings have armed guards.
But maybe we need to have multiple heavily armed guards at every bris and baptism in this country. Totally normal thing to do for a totally normal country. |
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He should have been on someone's radar. Pretty openly bragged about his weaponry and desire to murder Jews. But we cut funding into investigating right-wing extremists who commit most of the terror attacks in this country. So much for "law and order". Then again, maybe he doesn't stand out as an extremist anymore. The right has been pushing the anti-semitic stuff for awhile. Fox News was running the ZOG conspiracy theory hard today (and has been for awhile). The President himself has a history of saying things tinged with anti-semitism. There's a Congressman who is an open neo-Nazi. |
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I get your point, congregation members having weapons would not stop all shootings. And in many cases, an open pistol carry would stand little chance against a determined intruder carrying semi-automatic weapon and bullet proof vest (like in Texas Church shooting). I just don't get why one would be against this "last line of defense"? I would take it over not having one. Same question I posed to miami_fan - What is your solution? Are you more in the camp of increased gun control or more get rid of most guns? |
I find an attitude of, I may kill someone today, to be antithetical to Christian teaching, but I'll freely admit that I'm not sure I can justify any killing based on the Gospels.
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I'll go with an extreme scenario - if you had a gun in hand and could kill someone that was going to kill your family (ala Purge movies, great entertainment BTW), you would not do it? There is no doubt I would do my best to kill that person. |
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I don't know the solution. Just pointing out how fucked up this country is that the solution is a heavily armed security force to keep watch out while your child gets baptized. For what it's worth, it's probably not a bad solution for synagogues these days. Or black churches, mosques, Sikh temples, etc. They've become targets by terrorists lately and the government is not interested in stopping terrorists of that ideology. |
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Solution for what? I have no solution for someone who legally obtains his weapons and walks into a synagogue and starts blowing people away. |
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You do realize that this was the exact rational for the killer today right? You read his social media tweet about "his people" that happened five minutes before he began the slaughter, right? |
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Uh no. Think that is a stretch. |
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It isn't a question of whether I could do it, but whether or not the action would be sinful. One of the big challenges of the Gospels is whether or not violence is ever not sinful. |
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There’s the rub. When The President is Trump, and he is setting the tone, some of what was previously extreme becomes largely in line with what comes from the White House How people cannot link the two together, or will not link the two together, is beyond me. Much as people refuse to link the evidence that more guns means more shootings, even compared to other areas in the US. It must be either wilful ignorance or extreme stupidity. |
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Just a thought, you should post your question in the reddit christianity/catholic/etc. forums. I'm sure you get more educated answers there. . |
Thanks. I know the Catholic theology, but I'm not sure I agree. The older I get the closer I get to the Quaker stand on non-violence.
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Is there a link that more guns mean more shootings? Rural America has a higher gun ownership rate than urban areas. Yet urban areas have more gun homicides per capita. |
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It's pretty hard to find state-by-state data of gun violence. The articles tend to use "gun deaths" to make their point. Sometimes they use the terms "gun death" and "gun violence" interchangeably to it's tough to know what they're measuring.
Obviously there's more gun suicides where there's more guns. And there seems to be a correlation between suicide rates and gun ownership, which makes sense, guns make suicide easy. But that usually isn't part of the rallying cry for gun control. It's just one part of the debate that comes off as disingenuous to me. Americans are concerned mostly about one particular type of gun violence - mass shootings. That's what sparks gun control debates. Not domestic violence, suicides, or gang violence. Which is kind of unfortunate because mass shootings are the type of gun violence/death that's probably least impacted by gun control. Most mass shooters could have bought weapons no matter what the background check required. (though some of them could have been slowed down some based on the types of weapons available, etc.) |
For the armed guard option, this guy was able to get the best of armed police and SWAT if you read through what happened.
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First off, the article also very clearly shows the insane difference in terms of gun homicides per capita despite there not being a discernible difference in overall violent crime. Basically, americans aren't more violent or murderous, but are statistically much more likely to have access to a gun and be aclimated to using one.
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It is however not in question (to me at least), that the easy accessibility and resulting gun culture lowers the inhibitions and makes them more 'accesible' from a mental perspective as well. And this has nothing to do with media and the likes, because there is pretty no difference (anymore) between western countries. A country like Germany has a lot of guns per capita as well (compared to other western countries other than the US), but it has never been commonplace to pretty much treat guns and gun ownership the same as you would a nice set of steak knives. A gun here is still something outlandish/exotic/strange that seems out of place when visible in civil life and even on police*, this simply isn't the case in many areas of the US. *police shooting somebody in other western countries is also significantly lower than in the US. Again the reason can be a) more murderous police or b) police more accustomed to use a gun AND feeling more in danger from the prevelance of people owning a gun. I doubt any german police officer makes a traffic stop and worries about there being even the slightest chance of the guy being armed. |
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That makes sense, but I don't think restrictions on who can buy guns can really put a dent in the number of guns in the United States or damper the gun culture. How many millions of millions own weapons in the U.S. that wouldn't be prevented from doing so even if ownership restrictions based on crimes already committed and mental diagnoses already made could be tightened up? It's still worth doing those things, but that's yet another part of the gun control debate I find disingenuous - Americans pointing to how things are done in Europe but also claiming they don't want an outright ban of guns here. How exactly do we get to those drastically reduced levels of gun ownership without a broader ban that impacts non-felons and non-schizophrenics, etc? What laws get guns away from CU Tiger or all of my neighbors in Idaho? Unless you get guns away from them, we're not becoming Europe when it comes to gun culture. In fact, I think we've seen that the more gun rights are threatened (even just as rhetoric that doesn't go anywhere), the stronger the gun culture becomes. Just the irrational fear that Obama was going to take away their guns caused the best 8 years ever for gun sales. Governments aren't great at regulating culture generally - except when they go full totalitarian. |
The more discussion there is about what could be done, the more the reaction is to double down and increase the number of guns available. This isn't exactly a conversation where both sides are working toward a common goal. Molson is more or less correct in his observations. As the pendulum swings you're going to see moving closer to a total ban, or drastic reduction in guns, or at the very least, a much tighter patrol over who can have them, as the response is to 'stock up and prepare for war' is pretty much the only response the gun lobby has. I also think you're going to see more vigilantes, more gun violence, the police having a harder time keeping order. The conversation just can't stop though, because we think that there's no way to get guns off the streets. There will be a solution out there if we keep working for it.
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How about thinking long term ? Current existing guns 'break' or their owners die or go out of style or whatever. Goal should be changing laws for new purchases and getting programs in place to deal with guns currently owned by people that are somewhat perceptible to the argument, make sure those guns don't end up being sold illegally to nutjobs by putting some sort of buy-back program in place etc. Of course, for that both parties would have to support it in at least some way. Just because it's not quick fix and likely won't ever reduce levels to where other western countries, shouldn't mean it is not a worthwhile goal. I mean, it seems pretty clear there is a correlation between the number of guns in existence in a country/state and the number of deaths by gun. So in all likelihood any sort of decent sized reduction (be at 10% or 40%) would result in a somewhat proportional reduction of homicides and suicides. It's simple statistics/propability. Same as why you put speed limits in place, which you know is still potentially deadly but limits the risk and which one can't actually fully enforce (what percentage of violations get detected ? 1% maybe ?). |
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No it's not. Read what he wrote. He literally believed that there was genocide being committed against white people. He believed that this caravan was coming to slaughter his family. You don't commit terrorist attacks unless you're a true believer in your cause. And this isn't some extreme belief. It's become part of the mainstream rhetoric on the right. Fox News routinely runs stories about the "white genocide". They allude to the ZOG conspiracy all the time. He was constantly told that the Jews were sending these caravans of people looking to exterminate him and his family. At some point someone was going to take it serious and act. |
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Two quick counter points.Im in the middle of a 48 hours weekend project ...taking a quick break for dinner and a mind refresh. 1- regarding guns breaking. I own 4 1800s firearms that still work fine. I also own many pre 1950s models. All work flawless. Honestly it's part of the appeal To me . But waiting on them to break out is a poor plan if gun control. Is your goal. 2- regarding correlation. Murders are down compared to prior decades thats an accepred fact. Gun sales are at an all time high and again since they don't break frequently total gun ownership is at an all time high. How does that correlation compute. Look I've said before. I'm more open than most pro2a guys to some reform.deciding what, where and how that is is the rub. I just wanted to point out the more guns = more crime isn't a good true correlation. Not to mention it never accounts for unregistered firearms. |
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Just to lay the baseline to make sure we are discussing the same thing ... My "stretch" comment was referring to the attempt to make Bower's rationale (which has been quoted several times now) for the murders equivalent to my extreme scenario below. This scenario was in the context of JPhillips comment about "can't justify killing based on the gospels". So my example of family in danger and having ability to kill the assailant to remove the danger & save my family is the same "exact rationale" Bower's is using? |
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I'd say it's close going by his own words. He believed people were being sent by the Jews to slaughter him and his family. How is that not the same rationale? |
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Close is not "exact rationale". Is the genocide really the only reason? Wasn't there something about migrant caravans being supported by the Jews? I guess you can draw the link that "he believed migrant caravans would ultimately cause genocide against his people" but there are several degrees of separation to me. Did he believe his killing the Synagogue victims would resolve the "issue", the immediacy of it? Me killing the assailant would immediately remove the issue. Is him wanting to kill "all jews" the same as me wanting to kill a single assailant that is threatening my family. Wouldn't the equivalent be I want to kill all killers? What is the definition of "his people"? Is "his people" have the same intimacy as a family member of mine? |
It's connected. He and many others believe that the Jews are sending immigrants here to kill off the white race. The idea that the migrant caravan is a Jewish funded hit squad to kill people is a mainstream Republican talking point these days.
Reading through his posts it was clear he felt his and "his people" were in danger of being slaughtered. His final words are "I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. I'm going in". I don't know if that's the same as a person holding a gun to someone's head. But he obviously felt lives were in danger and he had to do something about it. |
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Sure its connected. In addition to Jews are helping the migrant caravan ... might as well toss in Jews own the banks, Jews have the President's ear, Jews own the politicians, Jews own high-tech ... ad nauseum. Everything he "believes" that is bad about Jews goes into his belief of genocide. That's a heck of a catch-all category. To say that is "exact rationale" to my scenario of killing an assailant to save my family but I honestly don't see it. Let's settle on "similarities" and I'm good. |
There is a responsibility for the words you choose. Words are powerful. Look at the Bible. Take that whichever way you want. Either way, they are powerful. Allowing the sort of irresponsibility that we see in modern leadership in the white house and in the media extremes (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-con...8_2018-min.jpg) is simply killing us. It's not a discussion. It's not civil. There is no end goal other than the sum zero game, and that won't get us to the end.
Having said that. Until certain people in politics, who are directly responsible for the current climate are gone, I have no interest in cooperating to create a win/win as they have no good faith bargaining chips left to play with and are wholly untrustworthy and not worth bargaining with. I would work with those who disagree with me though, who are willing to work toward a long term solution to current problems though, just like it's designed to do. I digress. The ease at which people are willing to give trump a pass because of his use of words is scary. NO previous president would have ever gotten away with it. None. |
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The loud voices that react to specific events seem to be concerned only about the specific events. But the people who care deeply about reducing gun violence in the US, and people who work hard on a daily basis, regardless of the latest incident, to try to raise awareness about gun violence in general - they really do care deeply about all of this. Just read through this thread, and look at the calm and reasonable and well-reasoned arguments digamma makes at every opportunity, with mention of reasonable measures that could be taken to reduce the overall number of gun deaths in our country, I'm quite certain I've seen him reference the number of suicide deaths that could be prevented with reasonable gun control measure, with references to available data comparing states that have implemented laws at the state level compared to those that don't. And then watch as, every time, he gets completely ignored as the loudest amongst the group goes back to shouting at each other about what could or couldn't have done to stop this one individual shooting today - when the actual argument is NEVER about one very very specific set of circumstances, but about gains that could very easily be made with reasonable change that almost everyone is generally in favor of outside of the NRA. It gets old, and sad, and disheartening. |
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I was sitting in a Pennsylvania synagogue with my extended family watching my oldest niece lead the service for her Bat Mitzvah at the exact same time that psychopath was murdering people in a similar setting on the other side of the state.
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Shooting at Butler High "began with bullying that escalated out of control" | ktvb.com
"I don't know how a young person gets a handgun in the state of North Carolina but we'll look into all those things and make sure it doesn't happen again." No idea. |
The yoga mass shooter was an extremist with a history of violence against women and a love of guns. Check all the boxes yet again. As a bonus, he was an incel.
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Yeah that one hits somewhat close to home. A former attorney I used to work with was in training to be a yoga instructor at that studio, and another attorney was in a restaurant at the same strip mall when the shooting occurred. That's less than 10 minutes from where we used to live.
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And this is the social price of war. All the love for the great and mighty military and we lose the price we pay in human suffering after they come home. It's the cost of throwing our men and women willy nilly with no real break. Sadly, it's really the only deterrent we have to the never ending war of the future. Yesterday, China released a video of a stealth drone capable of delivering a payload. As soon as we reach the level of autonomous war, I'm not sure we'll figure out how to stop it. |
Ooooffffffff...this video. Parents worst nightmare.
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Absolutely heart-wrenching. I couldn't imagine what he is going through.
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Ehhh, let's not use PTSD as an excuse. Seems like he was a piece of shit long before he joined the Marines. And plenty of soldiers come back with PTSD and don't slaughter a bunch of college students. https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018...coach-assault/ This also continues a trend of these mass shooters having a history of violence against women. |
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Folks, I know we’re all running low on thoughts and prayers, but #Wilmington
I guess get used to this feeling |
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Yep sounds like malfunctioning equipment that someone took for gunfire. Given what they have been through with the hurricane/floods, very happy to see this wasn't a shooting.
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I think one of the craziest thing about this is how quickly it's out of the news. 12 people murdered like this would have run for weeks. President would have made a trip out.
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Another part of the solution is to have these like groups talk out more about the impact they have seen with guns (e.g. cops, EMS etc.) with kids and young adults. I wouldn't doubt this Dr. group is way more gun-control than I would like but am okay as I do think these conversations are needed and the NRA is too immovable for me. There is no immediate solution, its just laying out the groundwork for the next generation. Focus on them while we wait out 20-30 years of craziness. https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/healt...act/index.html Quote:
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Give the guy credit for one thing. He knew the world he was leaving behind.
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That is a serious empathy gap. How can you care about what happens afterward if you don't care about the fallout of who you're doing it to?
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So we've entered a grand new age of postmodern mass murder. Terrific.
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If that's the standard the judgement of any person could be brought into question. I mean, I may have even used that argument in a social media argument. The case could be made that trump doesn't operate in a reasonable manner. It's too vague. The military doesn't exactly get the pick of the litter when it comes to enlistments, and war and dangerous/hostile deployments don't make that challenge any easier. In fact, it makes the ramifications of it much more dangerous and a drawback that should be considered when asking what we do of our completely volunteer military. |
How Robert Bowers went from conservative to white nationalist | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
More in-depth profile/analysis of the synagogue shooter. |
Officer shoots, kills armed security guard outside south suburban bar | WGN-TV
Going to guess we won't get much response from the NRA about this legal gun owner being mowed down despite doing nothing wrong. Can't figure out why. |
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