I think we can talk about the entire season now.

I stole this from one of the blogs I referenced above...

...but picture the scene towards the beginning of the season (maybe even the first episode, it seems so long ago) where the 4 boys were trying to trap a pigeon under a box. And then see where they are now. Unreal, and yet totally believable based on what we saw.

We knew Carcetti had to fall at some point, but I was amazed at how quickly Norman turned on him. Just because he's fallen doesn't mean he's become Royce/et al.

Who'd have ever predicted that Namond would be the only one of the four to be saved? Dukie's amazingly quick fall was to me the most shocking. I suppose there is still hope for Randy, but I dunno.

The evolution of Carver from a near Hauk style hack to such good po lease surprised me but never seemed forced.

I guess those are my big comments though there's a million others beneath the surface. Ok one more: Does Dukie's descent into the drug life mean that Prez is going to lose hope? We see that despite his failure with Randy, Carver has not lost hope, and Bunny clearly has achieved something, but what of Prez?

I'm afraid they might be done with Omar. I think he's a fantastic character, but I get the sense that he might be "retired" and out of the picture.

if omar was going anywhere, him throwing his shotgun into the river at the end of last season would've been it for him, i'd think. he has to come back.

I think Omar's going to return. The old guy that Omar gave the money to said something like "When you steal this much, its never over."

I think Omar will return but I think there's a good chance he'll get killed next season, he's just stolen too much and made too many enemies now.

I thought the death of Bodie was really depressing. He'd finally come around to basically condeming the system he'd been a part of... even Poot references their killing of Wallace in an attempt to kind of give Bodie a perspective on things, but clearly he was finally believing that Marlo and company where a whole new breed - a theme that had been touched upon a couple different times during the course of the show. The perception vs. the reality of things.

The couple moments between Bodie and McNulty, kind of seeing each other as people rather than across a battle line felt pretty genuine to me. It was a total shame to see the way in which McNulty unwittingly contributed to his death. Really, it was one of my all time most depressing TV moments.

As far as predictability, I really think David Simon has made no secret of the fact that he views the show in a sort of classic sense. We all kind of figured some characters are doomed, we see them seemingly escaping that fate and then... oh no, wait... yes they are in fact doomed. Basically every character feels let down or that they at least partly failed. Carver's trust in a few others ends up screwing him in Regards to Randy. Prez is betrayed in relation to Randy and worst of all sees all that he's done for Duquan still come up short. But like the vice principal says, they'll be plenty more kids behind him who need Prez's help.

Depressing as hell, but utterly believable. In my opinion this show is the greatest piece or art produced in any medium.

I still think there is a very good chance that this will happen. Since this post, Michael has become an assassin for Marlo, Omar has royally pissed off Marlo, and that ring Omar stole has come nearly full circle. I am usually wrong when I try predicting this show, but I feel pretty good about this time.

What about Herc? They showed him in the montage facing the music but was he getting his stripes taken away or getting fired? Maybe he will have a new job in private security next year, possibly with a media company? That would provide a bridge to the media like Prez becoming a teacher.

Namond might have escaped the streets (and his dragon lady mother) but is he truly out of it for good?

I agree with those who think you're wrong Quik. There's too much Marlo/Omar business left unfinished for him to be done as a character. I hadn't considered the idea of Michael being the one to take Omar out but think that makes a lot of sense in the world of the Wire.

did michael kill bodie?

or was that someone else. ive read it both ways.

when i watched it i assumed it was michael, but then they made a pretty big deal about the corner hit later that michael did, and also went out of their way to say michaels first hit shouldnt be someone he knows...

That was definitely someone else who killed Bodie.

No. Chris and Snoop got into a gun fight with him. While he was occupied with them, one of the other dudes snuck up behind him and shot him in the head. It wasn't Michael.

I would characterize it slightly differently - I think it was a setup from the start, and that the shooter was in league with Chris and Snoop from the start. Not sure if we're on different pages there, but I certainly agree it wasn't Michael.

Oh yeah. Without a doubt. Chris and Snoop were drawing his attention away from the real shooter.

I got the impression from what Marlo was wearing in the truck later that he was the one who did the shooting on Bodie.

Reading the episode synopsis on HBO.com, the shooter was another Chris/Snoop trainie named O-Dog.

Is O-Dog the same guy who saw Bodie go with McNulty? Because that's who I thought shot Bodie.

I believe so.

By the way, when did the ring transfer from Omar to the cop? When he got arrested? Somehow I missed that until it all came around during this episode.

Correct. The corrupt cop took it from Omar and Michael took it from the corrupt cop.

A little late, but Season 5 is being aired in 3 episode blocks starting tonight at 8pm-11pm on HBO2, and continuing each night.

Quick comment...it's amazing how long ago these first episodes seem like. So much has gone on, I really thought some of this stuff was introduced in Season 3.

Now that I've watched this again, I have to say that this is probably the one plot line (yes, in the entire series) that I don't think made sense. Is it really such a shock that a mayor would be getting blown by his secretary, to the point where he would have to take care of the guy who caught him so he wouldn't say anything about it? It's not like Herc witnessed Royce doing a line or beating on his wife.

"We knew Carcetti had to fall at some point, but I was amazed at how quickly Norman turned on him...."

I must have missed that part. When did Carcetti fall? When he didn't secure the money from Annapolis? How did Norman turn on him?

amazing show, best TV i have ever seen....

does anyone know when the final season will be aired?

this spring?, next fall....

Considering the hoopla over Clinton's famous bj, this plot line seemed fine to me.

Norman was pretty clearly disappointed in Carcetti when he turned down the money. I wouldn't say he "turned on him" but he was disillusioned.


http://members.aol.com/TheWireHBO/exclusive4-2.html

This interview with David Simon says he they are currently writing and he expects early 2008 or in spring 2008, "but nothing has been decided. We are writing now and will begin shooting the final season next spring".

Not to get off topic, but the only reason that was famous is because his BJ-giver's friend decided to tape discussions that they were having. I'm sure most of Clinton's aides and Secret Service personnel knew every girl that was blowing him, among other things. Hence my surprise with Royce's worrying about Herc ratting on him. Herc should be the one chauffeuring all his broads to him :).

I think it was Goodman in his SF Gate blog that made a good point about Norman. He was always just involved in the campaigning of candidates, and not their administrations, so this is the first experience he's having with the real dark side of politics, beyond the mud-slinging.

For what it's worth, The Wire received some very nice kudos in the year-end issue of Time. Joe Klein's column mentioned David Simon in very, very glowing light... and it was (separately, in another section of the mag) ranked as their #1 TV show of the year.

Awfully good mention for a criminally underappreciated show.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll check that out.

It really is absurd that this show isn't buried in awards.

Today was the first official day of my vacation (through January 2nd), so since I'm the only person I know that's not working tomorrow, and because I won't be able to watch the HBO2 episodes tomorrow night, it's marathon time. Episodes 7-9 tonight until 11, and then the last 4 episodes on demand right after. Gonna be a long night :)

Am I the only one who didn't know Snoop was a woman?

Yep.

And Newsweek joins the fray... in their year-end CW arrow section, they gave The Wire a big thumbs up with some very high praise.

It's getting to be like a cult -- fortunately, people who have missed out so far can at least go out and buy/rent/steal the old episodes on DVD and get caught up on the preceding seasons.

I think The Wire could easily be a show that people would still watch in a few years and still be amazed about.

It took me a couple of different viewings to figure it out but the Verizon commericial they have been running throught the BCS bowl games where the black dad with the deep voice talks about how his kids are hosing him with his cell phone bill. I believe that is Maryland's very own state senator Clay Davis! They need him to end the commerical with "Verizon? SHEEIIITT"

"No. Dad got hosed."

I love it. That dude was perfect for that commercial.

Unreal...I swear I didn't see this thread first.

I've been wondering if it was the same guy ever since that commercial started running a few weeks ago, even going as far as looking at The Guy Who Plays Clay Davis' IMDB profile to see if there was a commercial credit listed.

That's what I get for failing to recognize the usefulness of FOFC.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Would have sworn he was also the voice of cleveland from Family Guy but I guess not.

I noticed tonight that the episode one of The Wire is showing tonight at 9pm and 1am on BET. I had no idea they were going to show it on basic cable. I wonder how badly they will chop it up. Doubtful they will air it without a fair amount of editing for language and nudity and perhaps violence.

Caught a few minutes of it too (kind of funny that ep 1 of this was on at the same time the first Sopranos episode debuted on A&E).

I guess it's been 3 or so years since I've seen season 1...very weird to see a much younger looking Daniels and McNulty, even if it hasn't been very long. Daniels had some hair...didn't remember that at all.

I have heard that The Wire has a pretty strong following in...uh... "urban" environments (not exactly the type who suybyscribe to HBO). A friend of mine found himself at a bar in Philly where there was a Wire-watching party, and where the actor who plays Omar was apparently expected to make a guest appearance. I'm guessing the re-showings on BET are a reflection of this.

There's an awfully intriguing demographic analysis waiting to be made here. By and large, I think the writers have "people like me" (for lack of a better term) l in mind with this show, but it's kind of amusing that there might be some degree of following within the "corner community."

If I was a member of the "corner community," I'd be pretty happy that there was finally a show/movie that depicted me in any other way besides a fool just waiting to be busted by the PO-lice.

The way "The Wire" acknowledges that there are some ways the dealers are much smarter than the cops is one of my favorite aspects of the show.

if i were a drug dealer, id watch this show just for tips on how to handle/confuse/stay one step ahead of the police.

This article in the SF Chronicle about the actor that played Stringer Bell might be worth a read. I didn't know he was from England. Glad to hear he is getting steady work.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...TL&type=movies

I'm at almost the end of the third season (little over an hour left in the season). This is easily the best show I've ever seen on television. I've caught the first three seasons in a month, and if I was going to tell people to watch it, I would suggest to do it as close together as possible. There's so many nuances you can miss or forget about in the layoff between seasons.

It takes a bit each season to really get the show going, I'll agree its a bit slow moving, but the intricacies and the details in each show are just outstanding. All the characters are likeable, yet they all have their falts. I damned near cried when Wallace was shot at the end of season 1. I'm going to be sad when I catch up and then season 5 comes and goes with no more show.

McNulty4life.

wheres wallace may be my favorite tv scene ever.

Thought I'd post this in case anyone was interested...

I've toyed with picking up The Wire DVDs for a long time. Even though they're frequently available On Demand, since it's basically my favorite show ever it would be nice to have the DVDs. HBO's sets are always pretty expensive, and I never ended up pulling the trigger on any of the seasons. Occasionally the 1st season is available at a decent price, but S2 and S3 are usually well in excess of $50 each.

Warner Bros is having a sale that includes the DVDs. Click the link and type "wire" into the search box. You can buy Seasons 1-3 for just under $140. As you go through the order, you can input the coupon code "WBNEWS" and hit apply, and you will receive 20% off. Then you can input "USD" for an additional 10% off (28% total), and with free shipping for orders over $60 (tax may apply in some states like mine), your order will be just over $100 (mine came to $107.81). That's a steal for these 3 seasons.

Or if you want to be even more creative...order just Seasons 2 & 3 from that site. With the coupons, it will be $69.05 if tax doesn't apply. You can then go to bestbuy.com and get Season 1, which is currently on sale for $24.99. If you're taxed at 7% like me, you'll save yourself about $7-10 if you want to go through a bit of an extra hassle.

Enjoy.

This sure would be amazing to go to:

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