I agree. However, if I take it as fact that hoops is good...then I trust his skills enough to follow his vote when it concurs enough with my own thoughts. And this Chubby/MV is a real mess that I think lynching Telle could shed some light on. Telle good improves the chances of Chubby being good, IMO.

I had a sarcastic remark typed out here, but decided since you got upset at me earlier I wouldn't type if out after all. :) <---- Good fun smily here!

I'll say one thing here. If the seer starts out bad, this game was unbalanced from the start.

I think Chubby should empath a path statement. I think that's enough manpower to at least temporarily feed that potential deal-breaker of a scenario. If Chubby isn't the empath, nothing wasted. If he is, then we learn about path and Chubby still has 1 more empath usage.

How does Telle and Chubby interconnect here?

I'd like to know that also ? ...

(only thing I can think of is that its traditional for my character to snuff it early on ... ;) )

I'm not trying to be funny or anything here Tyr, but your posts today, recently at least have been VERY off color and make you look very suspicious. You're chomping at the bit over sometihng instead of working with the majority of the crew (including the cleared folks) and its getting kind of tiring.

Agreed. But I think it's enough of a worry in the back of people's minds that if we can assuage it here by using an empath usage instead of a doctor scan, we should.

yeah I'm wondering that too.


Did I miss a scan result on hoops somewhere?

I'd like to know the same thing.

I have to agree, and I think that line of thinking just gets us nowhere.

My thought is that if Chubby is making a wolf play it's ultimately a confusion play. Get MV lynched, costing us another assassin essentially, make us spend our time killing him in a one for one then figure out who he was protecting. Probably not a play I would make as a wolf if Telle is the person he's protecting; it'd probably make a lot more sense to just let her go down. However, it's possible there's some line of thought of the first three lynches being MV (good) -> Chubby (bad) -> Telle (good) which is a for sure 2 for 1 and leaves us wondering where the heck we are at the end of it. Confusion is definitely an asset for the wolves.

Err I warned people that I do have work to do - also because I'm a relative newbie I tend to be quieter here than in other aspects of forum life.


Ok I'm 100% certain I am the empath and have a PM which tells me that ...

The fact you're trying to get me killed tells me either you're a spawn or deluded, you're too intelligent to make this sort of mistake so you've seen a chance to knock off someone who can detect spawn.

Only way to check this obviously is to scan me ....

Feel free to explain this statement as anything other than fishing to see if you could out the empath?

My hunch is that there is more than one empath.

Which came out first? Scan that person and lynch the other.

A) tell me you aren't the unaware spawn
B) I don't want you scanned to kill our doc especially if you won't do a)

As a suggestion ..

Scan me.
When I come back clean (I will)
I can then use my empathy to check out whether Chubby really was 100% certain I wasn't the empath, he won't be because I am (hence he must be either guessing or spawn and not caring either way).

That way I'm shown as safe and we clear up a spawn (which I reckon Chubby must be).

BK Question - is the 'Resistant' status made public?

We don't have any scans until tomorrow anyway, because MV isn't going to scan himself.

Marc came out first..

Or if Pass is right, chubby should be able to do an empath scan on Marc's statement and see if it comes true to rule it out.. if they are both empaths then he will learn that there.. if not then we'll have to decide which is lying.

My only problem with just dismissing this as 2 empaths is that they have different empath frequencies.

MV should scan me and prove I'm not spawn.

Simply put I knew that I'd be a target as soon as I told people I was an empath - hence initially I wanted to see if I could get some info before you started trying to kill me off.

Unfortunately we seemed somewhat paralysed for actions - hence I outed myself a little later on to try and start a 'circle of trust' starting with Alan (as he's now verified by two people).

I'm heading out.. hope to be back around 8:30 or so.

But Chubby empathing a Path statement doesn't really do us any good if we're doubting Chubby.

Is anyone going to actually believe me as it's all via PM?

How would he do that if HE's a spwn like you suggest?

????

Tell me you aren't a spawn including not being an unaware spawn.

And we're sure there's just one empath?

(Note: wow - page 45 was completed in less than 30 minutes. I haven't ready any of it so I apologize if this has already been discussed.)

The point would be if you both are empaths as Pass suggested, you would believe yourself and tell us..

If you got back a response that he wasnt the empath, or you fake it (depending on whom is lying), then we have to decide which is lying.. This would rule out the possible double empath thing though

Wouldn't we both walk out of the room with him a spawn and me a survivor? Only the doc gets killed if the person he is scanning is spawn, correct?

Thats an interesting quandry actually ...

If you are spawn and I am then I'd say you're not and you'd back down.
If you aren't spawn and I say you're not then it doesn't prove anything to you.
If you are spawn and I say you are then you call me a liar and we've wasted a my powers for today because its down to my word against yours.

(hence my suggestion that I'm checked out - then we check you out)

If I get back a "not an empath" PM then we are in the same position we are right now, except minus 1 empath check. Still would be my word vs his but I would only be able to check 1 statement vs the 2 I have now.

I thought the idea of an unaware spawn was that they errr weren't aware of it?

I to the best of my knowledge am not a spawn or infected.

Care to make the same statement?

you have no say, if we both die then I was spawn. If we both live, I am not spawn. You have no way of lying.

This is just sounding more and more like villager vs. villager to me.

Well....more or less, you are right. My hope would be that if you are a villager that you would do it, and if he comes back as an empath pull up. But that's only somewhat likely, and we're not going to trust any other result. Although it might provide useful information about one of you is dead.

Sure he does. If he's spawn he can fake the scan, then you both walk out of the room.

Playing the "I don't know the rules card again?" come on now.

Unaware Spawn During the day, is unaware of being a Spawn (and may not communicate with other Spawn), but will not seem to be a Spawn when tested by other players. At night, assumes normal Spawn powers.

hence you begging to be scanned so you can be "cleared" from day 1.

I am not a spawn, I have never been a spawn, I do not have a spawnling in me, I am not the unaware spawn.

Just empath each other, people. This shouldn't be that hard.

I guess the deal though is if you or he get lynched and end up a villager, everyone will come after you next.. so don't YOU want to be absolute sure before barking up this tree?

Chubby would still not be a spawn, though. And all that'd do would be to put more pressure on MV. I can see his point.

Which would clear me. So you're saying we are both spawn and both want to be scanned?

Word. But didn't you say that MV said something about using his empath ability once per day? I can't find where MV said that anywhere.

I don't think either of them have AP to do it today, everything we are talking about will be done tommorrow.. unless everyone want to take a 50/50 chance of guessing correctly with a lynch today only to find out we accidentally killed off 1 empath and 1 empath/doctor

we're going to hit the 16 pages per game day of posts soon, thats gotta be some sort of record....

If he comes up villager then lynch me next, I know that's how it works. If we have 2 empaths (after he was fishing to get the empath to check his statement earlier) then I deserve to die.

I do not want to waste an empath check on something i know to be so.

He said it really early in the day today. Sometime before 11 am CST for sure.

empath does not require AP according to the rules.

Alright, I might as well declare my allegiance for today once and for all. I'm staying out of the Chubby/MV mess. I'm sticking with hoops for now, sticking with what I was going to do before his information came out, and we'll see where this takes us.

VOTE TELLE