Adam Jones broke his foot? :confused:

Ok so it seems like we need 50% (or 50+1). We've got a lot of no voters, which is quite discouraging.

who didnt vote?

dola- could there be some mechanic that kept people from voting?

Guys, I'm sorry that I wasn't around to move my vote although I'm still not sure it would've mattered in the long run.

Just in case something happens, I had a cage of bars start to drop on me. IF I go incommunicado, I have a feeling it is because I'm imprisoned.

Packer and clap.

odd, clap was omni-present today

clap, Render, and Abe, although Render voted and later retracted it. And yeah, clap was here all darn day.

Ummm, wow, let's just say I made the right choice. Although I don't get a 3 pm move, I'm still alive...narrowly!

Nananananananana SPIKE PIT!

Hehe, more like when Indiana Jones walks through the cobwebs in The Last Crusade. I think the Joker was getting me back for that Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man remark!

I tried to get my vote in, I had forgotten to update it before I left work, then I forgot to bold it and put it on a seperate line and it posted at 10:01 =(


Sorry guys, though it was a vote for telle anyway so I doubt it would have mattered.

Although...I wonder if part of the problem is that we're not ALL voting? not just voting for the same person but every single player getting a vote in? Did everyone vote day 1?

angelis is evil
he is to blame for all bad
JFK was him

all morning here only
I leave work before movement
no power at my home

quicksand i am stuck
as the leaves flow around me
no movement for me

Sad day....good luck guys!

how quiet this morning
where has everyone gone to
I need to reread

No, KWhit and Path were unable to get votes in on day 1, so it's a possibility. Although the comment that the Joker/Jackal made about "we're getting better" led me to believe that it just takes more agreement on our part.

just to get a vote
vote tyrith can change later
If there is reason

will the pheonix rise?
Or is it just a city
in the desert sun

do we know what did
kill collins? or is it a
mystery for all

am I alone in here
is there anyone out there, k?
I like talking alone

Man. After this post, and the 5 or so posts that followed it, turns out I was wrong. Looking at my PM again, I *did* have 4 directions to choose from after moving for the first time at 10 PM -- I moved to the right Day 2 at 3 PM, and it was a dead end. At 10 PM Day 2, I moved back to the 4-way intersection.

And that's where I'm at now. I probably won't move until 10 PM, and while it's a 4-way intersection, I only have two "real" choices, since one direction is where I came from initially, and the other is the dead end.

Again, I'm not doing this so everyone else can -- I'm doing this because I wanted to correct a mistake I made, in case anyone needs it later, and to get people worried that I'm not revealing enough off my back! :p Like I said yesterday, I discourage other people from doing the same at this point --I don't think we want the wolves to know who else hasn't been moving (although, if anyone has advice on which way I should go, I'm interested -- it's basically a coin flip to me).

Well, I'm still pretty lost and clueless in this maze. I'm going to wait a little bit to see if anyone has any information and then I'm going to come out firing a vote -- probably at Pass at this point, because the ntn lynch was never really anything more than a random vote and at least Pass has a story to potentially corroborate.

On that note, I think we really, really need to make up our minds more than an hour or two before the lynch - it seems like we have a lot of people on wacky schedules and such, and we need time to make sure we get eight votes on someone (one half plus one).

This post (736) really weirded me out. I think I've made some pretty compelling arguments as to why No Lynch works to our benefit in this game, and to see someone argue that going after a roled villager might be a good idea since it's not a very strong role (which I readily admit), or going after ntn because he might or might not be useful, seems like it's an attempt to sabotage the village to me.

What does having a story to corroborate have to do with anything?

To clarify here -- each villager, roled or not, IS useful to us, because it's another chance at finding the center. What's the point of risking villagers if we don't even need to kill wolves? If we're pretty sure we have a wolf, great. But why play the guessing game?

Because the wolves can kill us.

And this seems to be about the most wolfish thing you could say. What's the point of having a game of WW if we don't have to kill the wolves, for whatever reason? I think you're vastly overestimating how simple this game is going to be in that regard.

There could have been. When I was originally knocked out I was going to be unable to post until deadline. I then received a message saying I woke up before then.

Because I want to at least learn something from a darn lynch. I'll take any lynch at this point, but I'd much rather at least figure out something in the process. If you have a better suggestion, by all means, go for it. The BK thing is starting to ping my radar, too. I'm just not sure we could get enough traction going that way, the way this game is going.

Generally, it doesn't matter how many wolves there are -- they still kill one villager per night. That might not be the case in this game, and that's definitely worth exploring, but I don't think your reply answers the question fully.

I think you're reading more into my posts than I'm intending. Yesterday you said you don't think it's as simple as no lynch all the way and we win (I forget your phrasing, but I thought it was something like that -- correct me if I'm wrong). That's really not what I was trying to say. It's going to still take a lot to find the center, and there is certainly a risk involved with no lynch -- but it seems like the better alternative to me. My thinking in this is pretty well-reasoned, and doesn't simplify the game like you accuse. As for "what's the point?" -- sometimes WW games get so complex and so into the theme that they barely resemble WW (see my BCS game, or my Chess game, which was another game where the village could win without killing wolves).

Fair enough. However, if what we hear is true, things that go on in the maze translate into our ability to transact business in the thread. What's the point of silencing people in the thread if what goes on in the thread is truly secondary? In anything resembling a normal WW game, if there are wolves from the start not lynching for three days in a row is going to put one side square behind the eight-ball. And oftentimes in these games the information is very slow in forthcoming. If we wait for hard information to start lynching it could be Day 5 or 6 before we've got anything to go on - that doesn't seem like a good way to do business.

I guess what I'm saying is that my story pretty much boils down to the same as anyone else, given the assumption that everyone is tacitly stating they're a villager. Lynch me, and you'll either say "Damn, he was right about being the Alchemist" or "Yes, he was lying." Lynch anyone else, and you'll either say "Damn, he was right about being a villager" or "Yes, he was lying." I'm not sure what more you learn about by lynching me, other than replacing "villager" with "Alchemist." On top of that, if I'm not the Alchemist, I probably made up that role, so there wouldn't even necessarily be another Alchemist in the game.

You've probably guessed that my preferred suggestion now is No Lynch. I'm leaning toward BK being the Minotaur as my best hunch right now, but my 2nd best hunch is that he's a wolf. I don't suspect him enough to risk losing him if he's a villager, though -- which is why I prefer No Lynch.

I agree with that sentiment -- I don't want to silence people in the thread at all. First of all, it would be boring; and secondly, I think it's important to get our suspicions out there, and even to put votes on people we think are most likely to be wolves, so that we know where everyone stands. I just think we need to avoid votes made for the sake of lynching someone, anyone, no matter who it is. But if enough of us feel good voting for someone and it's not just to get a lynch, I'm fine with that -- the guess is a little more educated.

But doesn't that make it just way too easy for wolves to hide votes? They can easily vote for one of their own, knowing that it's unlikely that that person will actually get lynched.

And you know full well I disagree with that...but I can buy the BK suspicion. The D1 vote struck me poorly. However, his comment yesterday makes a good point - who knows what abilities good or bad have in this game? I'm guessing if there are no vanilla villagers there are no vanilla wolves, either.

Ultimately, though, votes for the purpose of lynching someone are often how we figure out how who to kill after that. The wolves have to vote too, and figuring out how they vote gives us information about who to go after next.

BTW, Abe hasn't said anything for a long time, which is disconcerting.

I'm kind of leaning toward Pass's way of thinking. I don't know that lynching someone blindly is a good idea right now.

our GM is not
dedicated to WW
VOTE jackyl for lynch

abe said he woudl try
to play even though he is busy
all days not mon tues

My thinking is kind of like mine and Alan's was in the Spawn game. Additional villagers help us right now - more chances to get to the center, additional scans or witness actions, etc.

i think it is bad
to not try and find wolves guys
I will support team

Sigh, I'd really like to vote for someone that can defend themself, just to squeeze some information, but I think Abe isn't being a productive villager right now. My honest preference is to vote for BK and see if we can get him to talk, but the generally mode of this game makes that seem unlikely...and if he says something we like, it takes so much to wheel a lynch around in this game because of the number of votes required and general level of availability.

I'd imagine they can, though I don't see how it's more true here than in any other game. Personally, my thinking is that wolves would be more interested in killing villagers than in hiding their vote on another wolf, and I'm trying to take away their excuse of "well, I only voted for that villager because I wanted a lynch."

Voting BK has been mentioned by both of you.. more so by Tyrith. If that's what you think is best, then I'll be the first to step up to the plate.

VOTE BARKEEP

You could be right about that. I think somewhere BK made the assumption that everyone has some kind of powers in this game. I don't know if that's true, but it's definitely possible that wolves have powers so that they're not exposed because they don't have a power to share. Personally, if that were the case, and I were a wolf with this role, I certainly wouldn't have revealed! :p But leaving the discussion of roles out of it, my basic point (toned down some due to looking at it from your POV) is that we should be more aware of the risk of losing a villager in this game, since killing wolves won't help us as much as usual.

Similarly, though, additional wolves will hurt us - more chances to run into one and get killed. And the death of a wolf would probably be a lot more helpful than lynching a villager - especially a quiet one - would be harmful.

We're never going to be able to get a good lynch in this game unless we show a willingness to make a bad one. Unless you guys are waiting for seer scans, or just stumbling across someone being murdered -- and it wouldn't surprise me if any seer ability in this game is as narrow as the wolves ability to kill, especially if the village's ability to win is remotely as simple as your conjecture.

I have no power
woe is me, vanilla for me
more pass points plz thx

As far as you knew you were going to die :P

Okay, I think this one is pretty hilarious personally :P

Is that an assumption, or are you interpreting the rules that way?



Okay, from this, it looks like we know the wolves DO have special powers. That might just mean the ability to kill, but it might mean more. But I read this as only one Ancient gets to perform the kill -- so killing wolves will limit the number of choices the wolves have, but is unlikely to create less kills.

Right. If I were a wolf doing it, I would have revealed as something much cooler than Alchemist.

Unless that IS your wolf role.

Going along with the conjecture from sometime earlier that wolves will be limited in their kill choices by the maze. It's possible for them it's just a normal WW night phase, which would suck for us because then we won't have any chance to track their actions on the off chance people run into each other in the maze.

On that note, has anyone encountered another player in the maze? I haven't.

Occam's Razor would dictate this, especially in a rush.

tyrith keeps trying
to latch onto someone as
a lynch vote set up

Me thinks he is wolf
and we should vote him and have
one less wolf to kill

Mornin all! Just got caught up.

I have encountered another player in the maze and lived to see another day. Lathum and I are currently traveling together.

I'm still of the mindset we need to get a lynch just to see what happens when there's a lynch.

Well, I don't think it's simple, but unlike a normal ww game, winning the game is completely independent of killing wolves. We HAVE to kill wolves in a normal game. In this game, we don't. In a normal wolf game, if you don't lynch you aren't making progress. In this game, however, we're progressing toward our goal by searching out the center of the labyrinth - killing villagers just makes that harder.

The odds of us lynching a wolf today are pretty slim - we're just guessing. So the risk/reward aspect of a lynch today isn't great. I'll grant you that every lynch vote tells us something that can be useful later in the game, and no-lynches lessen their benefit.

So I'm torn on which way to go, but I'm leaning toward no lynch today.

lathum and farrah
dont tell arlie or MM
gossip is awesome

Me and Farrah have run into each other

There's also this. We still don't even know what it takes to get a lynch, although we have a strong guess. At least I want to get 7 votes on someone today, to see if we can lynch someone at one half as opposed to one half plus one, but I'd much prefer a straight lynch.

I am also of this belief, by the way. I'm getting very close to revealing mine as a matter of fact, because I think we're going to need some cooperation/information to win this game. But I do want to wait and see what happens with the 3PM movement phase beforehand.

This is pretty much what I'm thinking, so I'm going to vote with the majority.

Just an FYI I have a class at 7pm my time, so my last opportunity to vote will be at 6:30pm.

Jackal - can I give someone the authority to change my vote? Say for example we all gang up on ntn before I leave, and then everyone switches to Telle between 6:30 - 7:00...can I designate someone to change my vote in my absence?

Does that mean the two of you have to reach a consensus on what direction you head in?

The person I saw who hit me was very nondescript. No name or any kind of identifier was given.

For the 3pm movement yes. We were given permission to continue to PM until 3pm today, regardless of whether we continue to travel together after that.

Neat. Did you learn if Lathum was good?

He told me what he is, but not what his powers were. If the wolves are still called 'wolves' in this game, he is not one. If they're something else, some other monster, well he could be.

They're called Ancients (from Post #1).

But if you're just going off what he told you he is, chances are that whatever he told you is not a bad thing -- I don't think he's going to come out and tell you he's a bad guy! :)

I assumed if he was a wolf, or Ancient, he would have killed me by now. Or at least something bad would have happened if I met him in the maze. Since nothing did, I figured he was legit.

And you're right, he could have made up his character to be nice. He is a world class wolf.

Pretty sure Jackal said the wolves look just like us, exactly for times like this.

So what exactly happened here? Botched wolf kill?

Looking at Post 1, I don't think it works like that. It seems like the Ancients choose which one makes a kill, and then they get to choose among whoever is in the same section as that Ancient. So even if Lathum was the Ancient assigned to make the kill, he could have chosen someone else in the same section as you guys. Note that I don't think we know what exactly is meant by "section" -- but probably just because no one has asked.

Well, then he could very well be a wolf, and just made up something else. He told me he was a Hydra. I told him I was a dinosaur. I'm a velociraptor. Not an alchemist one, just a regular one. ;)

velociraptor
farrah whitworth rhan oh my
too many sylables

well since the cat is out of the bag I am a 3 headed hydra. All 3 heads need to be cut off for me to be killed.

Morning all. Let me get caught up real quick

well we can at least rule out Farrah and I being the minatour

ack. again I'm late for the 9am meeting hanging out in this thread intead.

To be fair and upfront, I didn;t vote, I lost track of time. I was leaning towards a no lynch though, so it would not have affected anything.

Frankly, I beleive a No Lynch vote is better today that it was yesterday, since a wolf is dead.

this is true and good
too bad we cant manouver
even if we knew where

A wolf is dead?

I don't think PF was a wolf -- check Post #2.

I don't wake up until Noon EST

Ah, okay.

With inbe wolf down, the odds that we will kill a wolf with a lynch are so small, we might as well try to get to teh middle with as many of us left alive as possible. I think the odds say no lynch at this point.

Alright, I gotta go for a while. Barkeep, what have you experienced in the maze so far?

VOTE BARKEEP49

Hmm? I coulda sworn he was a wolf, when he was killed last night. Let me check....


Wolverine? Ah, that's why I thought what I did. Okay, now I'm not the one fully reading GM posts, sorry. Um, forget my argument about odds then. Everybody move on, nothing to see here...

RUles Check then -

Was the Phoenix like the creature, or was she like teh X-Men too?

Does it matter?

If she is X-Men, then we have two X-Men out of two, which likely means there are a lot more. Otherwise, Wolverine might be a one of. So yes, it matters.