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jbergey22 04-12-2018 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3201744)
Blazers and Jazz. If I have to pick a longshot to make the Finals or win, I am picking from those two.


Wonder if the Warriors can put their egos in check and dominate the playoffs like they should. They treated the regular season like the preseason in how many ejections and just stupid decisions they were making. I mean getting the Warriors at EVEN money would probably be the best value bet on the board if they play like they are capable and quit treating the rest of the league like they are irrelevant.

stevew 04-15-2018 07:47 PM

Cavs might want to wake up.

Also, is there a rule against the Bucks firing their coach right now and hiring someone like Phil Jackson? Give him 100k per win to start and double it every round of the playoffs?

Chief Rum 04-15-2018 08:22 PM

I know a lot of people subscribed to the "Cavs will turn it on come playoffs" theory, myself included. Today it looked like the same struggling Cavs. So I am guessing now that that playoff Cavs team is not showing up this year.

Given that, I don't think there is any way LeBron comes back. He will opt out and either join George in LA (if he goes there) or he will head to Philly.

Groundhog 04-15-2018 09:59 PM

It was the offense that really sputtered today, alarmingly. Jeff Green should be glued to the bench after today's game in particular. I'm not writing them out of the series, but they are at least even money (IMO) at this point re: making the next round - especially with Lance's ability to raise his game whenever he faces LeBron in the playoffs.

korme 04-16-2018 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22 (Post 3201749)
Wonder if the Warriors can put their egos in check and dominate the playoffs like they should. They treated the regular season like the preseason in how many ejections and just stupid decisions they were making. I mean getting the Warriors at EVEN money would probably be the best value bet on the board if they play like they are capable and quit treating the rest of the league like they are irrelevant.


I appreciate how good the Warriors are. I also appreciate how difficult it is to reach the Finals four years in a row, especially with a hungry and very skilled team like Houston lying in the wake. I hope we get a seven-game series there - and it's no guarantee who gets out alive. I can't wait.

korme 04-16-2018 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 3201939)
It was the offense that really sputtered today, alarmingly. Jeff Green should be glued to the bench after today's game in particular. I'm not writing them out of the series, but they are at least even money (IMO) at this point re: making the next round - especially with Lance's ability to raise his game whenever he faces LeBron in the playoffs.


Someone better than me put it perfectly earlier tonight - the Cavaliers' roster looked just fine until the the magnifying glass of the playoffs honed in and all of the sudden it becomes clear that Jordan Clarkson being the 3rd best offensive player on the team is going to be a issue. Buckle up, Cleveland. This could end abruptly, or we are about to witness Mt. Everest LeBron

Kodos 04-16-2018 10:17 AM

I love this guy.

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en...acers-playoffs

BishopMVP 04-16-2018 07:35 PM

I would love the Cavs to be swept, and the Pacers do play some aggressive on ball D, but I don't think they'll shoot 8-34 from 3 many more games...

Some weird rotational decisions though. Seemed like they could use some energy - no Cedi Osman. Seemed like they could use some 2nd chance points against a pretty weak rebounding frontline - no Tristan Thompson (who Lue said would be out of the rotation). Seemed like they planned to get more shooting around LeBron, Korver only got 4 minutes (though he did go 0-3 in that short time).

Celtics/Bucks had a crazy last few minutes. I'm not sure why everyone is worried about the Celtics O - if Rozier and Morris just make tough 20 foot + jumpshots like that in the 4th quarter every game we'll be fine! Speaking of playoff depth issues though, my god does that amplify just how bad the Bucks bench is (especially if you consider Brogdon a starter over Snell).

Minnesota blew a golden chance to steal an early win and put a little doubt into that series outcome. Guy's other than Harden just aren't going to shoot 3-25 from 3 again. Atrocious last possession by Minnesota though. Butler isn't a dribble into a step-back 3 kinda guy - gotta at least set some sort of pick.

korme 04-18-2018 12:18 AM

Blazers/Pels has been everything

Scoobz0202 04-18-2018 08:18 PM

Apparently Gregg Popovich's wife of 40 years, Erin, passed away today.

Just awful

korme 04-19-2018 04:48 AM

Watching Rondo in the playoffs made me think about what an interesting career he has had. He had such a stellar career in Boston - 4x All-Star, 4x All-Defense, 1x All-NBA, 1x Steals leader, 3x Assists (once w/Sac)... he has to be up there with dudes who kind of screwed it up on their own. I think he stopped caring on defense, never developed a shot, and became a polarizing figure around the league. I mean, those kind of accolades that early in his career suggest a semi-HOF caliber trajectory. I can't help but imagine how good he could have been if he was playing in a different era, like the run-n-gun 80's.

Groundhog 04-20-2018 08:26 PM

If I were a Pacers fan, I'd be furious at the officials this 4th Q.

Brian Swartz 04-22-2018 11:58 AM

Totally did not see the Portland sweep coming. Davis being a monster isn't surprising of course, but Lillard hasn't been limited that effectively in a long time.

RainMaker 04-24-2018 08:34 PM

NBA needs to update the rule on suspending players who leave the bench during an altercation. Can't just decide it based on whether the players is a star.

albionmoonlight 04-25-2018 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3202543)
NBA needs to update the rule on suspending players who leave the bench during an altercation. Can't just decide it based on whether the players is a star.


The draconian rule was the right response to the thug-ball 90s.

I think that now it would be better to write some discretion into the rule rather than keep it as a zero-tolerance rule on paper with de facto exceptions in practice.

BishopMVP 04-25-2018 01:10 PM

Marcus Smart back doing Marcus Smart things. 2-7 shooting, 5 turnovers, big positive impact on the Celtics winning.

miami_fan 04-25-2018 08:46 PM

Does that count as a big shot?

Groundhog 04-25-2018 11:22 PM

Watching the Cavs play is like watching LeBron playing MyPlayer on 2K with his teammates' sliders set to 0. Huge shot though, and LeBron having arguably his best season ever while probably wearing a year or two off of his career longevity in the process.

Kodos 04-27-2018 11:45 AM

I don't watch a ton of the NBA these days (I mostly just catch Pacers games during the rare times that one is available to me), so I say this without a lot of viewing to base it on: I don't recall seeing a superstar who so constantly begs for calls from the refs like Lebron James does. If he even gets grazed, his brow gets furrowed and he's got his hands out in outrage that there wasn't a call. And this is with a guy who gets a ridiculous amount of calls in his favor. Am I alone in thinking this?

BishopMVP 04-27-2018 01:33 PM

Tim Duncan comes to mind.

korme 04-27-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3202902)
I don't watch a ton of the NBA these days (I mostly just catch Pacers games during the rare times that one is available to me), so I say this without a lot of viewing to base it on: I don't recall seeing a superstar who so constantly begs for calls from the refs like Lebron James does. If he even gets grazed, his brow gets furrowed and he's got his hands out in outrage that there wasn't a call. And this is with a guy who gets a ridiculous amount of calls in his favor. Am I alone in thinking this?


Yes. Watch more stars.

rjolley 04-27-2018 01:53 PM

Stars and non-stars alike complain about calls a lot. It feels like it's more now than it was 15-20 years ago, but it may be more attention is being paid to it now.

nilodor 04-27-2018 05:45 PM

I think, for better, there is less physical contact in the game now. Especially since the hand check rules were changed. So now players feel like any physical contact necessitates a foul call. Before there was less to complain about because you knew no one was getting a call.

Groundhog 04-27-2018 05:51 PM

Not huge news from an NBA perspective, but Bogut officially retired from the NBA to sign in the Aussie league for 2 years. Apparently he had a couple of playoff teams interested in him after the Lakers waived him, but came back to Aus for family reasons (grandma passed away), and is going to stick around. Huge news over here, but given he signed for my local team I'm mostly curious if he still has anything left in the tank, or if he can stay healthy for more than a handful of games.

Groundhog 04-28-2018 12:08 AM

End of this Thunder-Jazz game is pretty incredible. OKC have had about 6 chances to tie the last 30 seconds, now with the ball again with 24 remaining.

Groundhog 04-28-2018 12:10 AM

Paul George got robbed, pretty clear foul by Gobert on his 3pt attempt.

JonInMiddleGA 04-28-2018 12:14 AM

That Mitchell kid, he's pretty good.

Chief Rum 04-28-2018 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 3202963)
Paul George got robbed, pretty clear foul by Gobert on his 3pt attempt.


+1.

I don't care how much a ref might like to swallow his whistle at the end of games. That was egregious.

korme 04-28-2018 12:37 AM

Westbrook 43 shots. Why would anyone ever want to stay and play with him?

Groundhog 04-28-2018 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3202964)
That Mitchell kid, he's pretty good.


He really is. Even watching him in summer league pre-season, he looks like a 3rd or 4th year guy, not a rookie.

Groundhog 04-28-2018 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by korme (Post 3202967)
Westbrook 43 shots. Why would anyone ever want to stay and play with him?


A couple of real bad airballs down the stretch, too. PG deserves some blame for laying an egg in an elimination game, but I just don't think the stagnant half-court style that Westbrook forces a team into for 75% of their possessions is championship basketball.

Groundhog 04-28-2018 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3202966)
+1.

I don't care how much a ref might like to swallow his whistle at the end of games. That was egregious.


The play a little bit before it where Adams screened Ingles into PG while he was shooting the 3 - IMO it was a no call, but they whistled the foul, it was clearly in the act of shooting, but somehow it ends up being an inbounds play. Felt like the refs were doing all they could NOT to blow their whistles at the end there and be responsible for the road team levelling the scoreline.

I'm glad the Jazz got through, but I'd be furious if I were an OKC fan - despite how bad they played for most of the game.

BishopMVP 04-28-2018 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3202966)
+1.

I don't care how much a ref might like to swallow his whistle at the end of games. That was egregious.

Yep. I hate the jump into a guy move (that Paul Pierce perfected) when it's not part of a normal shooting motion, but if you get him on a pump fake and the guy is going to land on you and you go up into him it has to be called.

Normally I hate it, but I'm fine with Westbrook playing this way last couple games, just because Gobert + the Thunder's lack of shooters kind of forced him into mid-range jumper hero mode, and the team was playing better when he did so (or are we going to ignore him shooting 39 times in that insane Game 5 comeback?)

Atocep 04-28-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 3203013)
Yep. I hate the jump into a guy move (that Paul Pierce perfected) when it's not part of a normal shooting motion, but if you get him on a pump fake and the guy is going to land on you and you go up into him it has to be called.


I agree, but I think the college game started calling that play much better than the NBA this year. If the shooter goes outside of a normal shooting motion to initiate contact on those plays its an offensive foul. That's something the NBA really needs to consider doing.

JonInMiddleGA 04-28-2018 11:02 PM

Well that escalated quickly

(posted at half of GS-NO game 1)

MrBug708 04-29-2018 01:08 AM

Any chance Donovan is fired?

JonInMiddleGA 04-29-2018 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 3203022)
Any chance Donovan is fired?


A chance? I'd have to say that's a yes.
A big/good chance? Ehhhhhh, I don't think so.

miami_fan 04-29-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nilodor (Post 3202942)
I think, for better, there is less physical contact in the game now. Especially since the hand check rules were changed. So now players feel like any physical contact necessitates a foul call. Before there was less to complain about because you knew no one was getting a call.


This. We asked the NBA to make its basketball less of a contact sport, if not a full non contact sport. It makes sense for any contact to be questioned by the players and coaches. There is also the belief that complaints today will benefit them at some point down the road.

miami_fan 04-29-2018 02:36 PM

When was the last time LBJ hit the floor for a loose ball?

miami_fan 04-29-2018 02:55 PM

Amazing performance by LBJ.

whomario 04-29-2018 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 3203022)
Any chance Donovan is fired?


2 coaches, almost entirely new roster, still the same iso-heavy play that always gets worse when games get tough and the playoffs arrive. Seems to me that this points strongly to Westbrook not being compatible with anything else. Could probably hire the worlds best offensive coach and still face the same issue.

SirFozzie 04-30-2018 09:39 PM

I'm feeling that Sixershate.

Saric looks like he has a very punchable face.

And classy of Philly to be just about in the lockerroom before the final buzzer.

JonInMiddleGA 04-30-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 3203045)
Seems to me that this points strongly to Westbrook not being compatible with anything else.


A fairly long Zach Lowe piece today about how changing it might start with eliminating 5 mid-range jumpers a game from Westbrook. (yes, he explains why that number as the essay goes along)

Zach Lowe on Russell Westbrook and the Oklahoma City Thunder - NBA

EagleFan 04-30-2018 10:02 PM

Celtics got their win. They won't be able to shoot like that all series and will come back to reality in game 2.

Groundhog 04-30-2018 11:29 PM

I think Celtics will take the series just because of the youth/inexperience of the Sixers. I'd say something along the lines of it being hard to see a Rozier/Smart backcourt making the conference finals, but I think you could give Brad Stevens his last Butler roster and they'd probably make a run of it.

cmp 05-01-2018 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3202964)
That Mitchell kid, he's pretty good.


I still can't believe Detroit drafted Kennard over him.

JonInMiddleGA 05-01-2018 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cmp (Post 3203138)
I still can't believe Detroit drafted Kennard over him.


Eh, as this article notes, pretty much everybody had him going right in the 12-15 range. Kennard was projected by some as a lottery pick, if not in the same range as Mitchell.


https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/04/nba...ts-mock-drafts

JPhillips 05-01-2018 10:29 AM

I think the bigger question is how did Louisville have such troubles on offense when Mitchell was there?

JonInMiddleGA 05-01-2018 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3203142)
I think the bigger question is how did Louisville have such troubles on offense when Mitchell was there?


His inconsistency (especially year one) and lack of finishing at the rim made him a much lesser go-to.

BishopMVP 05-01-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3203112)
Celtics got their win. They won't be able to shoot like that all series and will come back to reality in game 2.

Celtics won't shoot like that most games, but can they defend the 3-pt line and keep the Sixers out if transition like that all series? Horford's always matched up well vs Embiid, we have enough bodies to throw at Simmons he'll have to work to get to the rim even if we stay at home on shooters, and we have the athleticism and length to run the Redick's and Belinelli's off the line while mercilessly attacking them on the other end - especially if Jaylen Brown returns. I still think the series is a toss up, but I'm pretty glad right now I have a little on the Celtics +310 to win it - that seemed very high.


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