A woman in her 30s died in St. Louis. A 44 year old Marathoner is on a ventilator in Illinois.

I think this thing may be mutating and getting stronger.

2 more counties that border mine issued stay at home orders. My county just got their first case. But just decided to close non-essential businesses. Assuming the stay at home order will come soon.

I don't know if that's the case. Viruses tend to weaken over time.

This isn't the flu. While it hurts older people more, the mortality rate among people in their 30's and 40's is still somewhat scary.

For people in their 40's, the mortality rate is 0.4%. That's 1 in every 250 people who come down with it will die. 1 in every 500 in their 30's will die.

When you have hundreds of thousands of cases across the country, we're going to see more stories like that.

Agree with Rainmaker. In Italy, they have significant numbers in the 20s-50s, not as much as the elderly but still. CDC report from last week that I previously cited; 38% of the early hospitalizations in the US were 20-54 age group.

Yeah, people really underestimate a) how many young people have underlying conditions of some sort and b) that even 0.3/0.4 is quite a lot for a respiratory illness. The flu really is harmless compared to this, not least because there is medication available. Here all you can do is put people on a ventilator and pump them full of antibiotics and steroids to stregthen other systems/prevent bacterial infection and then hope for the best).

Young peope survive a lot more often since their immune system and lungs/heart are stronger, but even then being put on a ventilator is likely a harrowing ordeal.

That being said, taking a few cases and seeing it as a sign of mutation is not going to be a healthy mindset considering how often info will change still because the science community simply cant work miracles.

Put it this way. The mortality rate for the flu in ages 18-49 is 0.02%. That means this virus is 10 times deadlier to someone in their 30's and 20 times deadlier to someone in their 40's.

Yeah, this guy should lose his privilege to carry.

Afraid Of Coronavirus, GA Man Points Gun At Women Wearing Masks | Alpharetta, GA Patch

Getting back to whether cruise lines should get bail outs.

If true, I'm inclined to put the non-US companies way down on the priority list or not at all.

Don’t bail out the cruise industry - The Verge

And cruise ships pose no value to society. If it takes them a year or more to figure their shit out and re-structure, no real harm done. We don't have that luxury with the airlines.

You can look up the fleet and see which flag each cruise line flies. For instance, Carnival flies the flag for Panama, Bahamas, and Malta. Not one cruise ship flies an American flag.

Also as mentioned, most of the labor is not American citizens. And I don't consider cruise ships a vital industry like you can make the case it is for airlines.

Carnival Cruise Line - Wikipedia

Washington issues a stay at home

Too bad they are willing to die to save our economy, but I'm sure unwilling to cut pollution to save the planet for their grandchildren.

fuck you Dan Patrick

I don't even know what to say.

We can talk butterfly effect, etc...but what is happening now will have almost no bearing on our kids financial status. Pretty sure if given the choice they would choose extra time with their grandparents. Even if it meant Mom and Dad have some struggles.

I couldn't figure out for the life of me what a washed up former ESPN talker suddenly had to do with this.

I think we should err on the side of this is stronger than we thought. We need an overreaction to counter the lack of reaction we had the 1st month of this virus.

S.C. governor issues a notice to arrest any gathering of 3 or more non related people.

and do what with them?

Ticket/fine is considered an arrest, I think.

makes sense

I am not a doctor so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Please stop randomly taking chloroquine phosphate

Thanks

But did he avoid getting the COVID? I need to know.

You live to your 60s - played little league, fell in love, had your heart broken, graduate high school, get your first job, travel a little, go to weddings and funerals, lose touch with friends and make new ones, learn from mistakes, fall and get back up again, start to think about retirement.....and then one day you die because you drink fish tank cleaner solution. What a world.

Did they drink it because Trump talked about it as a cure?

You think someone dumb enough to do that is researching the cure on their own?

There's an audio interview with the wife who is in the hospital and it's heartbreaking.

He took the wrong stuff. hydroxychloroquine Is the drug, not chloroquine phosphate. Still, checking with a doc is the prudent move before taking anything

you have a link?

Woman in ICU: "Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure."
NBC: "What would be your message to the American public?"
Woman: "Oh my God. Don't take anything. Don't believe anything. Don’t believe anything that the President says & his people...call your doctor." https://t.co/C8EiTQQ3r1 pic.twitter.com/UAOXBNsS4t

— Vaughn Hillyard (@VaughnHillyard) March 24, 2020

So according to other articles, it is hydrochloroquine they are distributing and he took something else on his own volition. And that is Trump's fault. He has a lot of other to nail him on rather than this...

LOL

This is why you don't tout a miracle cure with no evidence. Yes, they should have not taken it, but statistically, it's inevitable that someone is going to do this.

He took the version they use to clean fish aquariums I believe..... not the version for human consumption

Honestly, if you're taking medical advice from the guy with all the evidence that is out there about him, you made your own bed.

LOL. Sometimes I cant tell if you are serious but you cant be serious can you? This idiot wasnt even sick and drank fish tank cleaner. Darwin award nominee, not heart breaking in the least and not inevitable either. Not at all inevitable.

Trump said wash your hands to avoid COVID. I washed them with battery acid. Lets get me on the news to blame Trump. It was inevitable someone would do this!

Add the fact that he didnt even take medicine, he took fish tank cleaner.

The bottom line is social media has completely jumped the shark with treatments and prevention for covid 19. Every other post is someone sharing some sketchy article about a miracle cure or prevention.

There is some...uhhh irony?...that this particular crisis is hitting all of our weak points, like healthcare, (in)credulous boomers, safety net, unemployment compensation, homeless, rent costs, infrastructure, supply chain, stuffed prisons, foreign reliance, pharma costs, etc. It seems tailor designed for all the shit we've been collectively ignoring.

It's a shame that we can't have a progressive president, or nominee, at the time when we most need progressive measures. I wonder if the Dem primary would have gone differently had this hit a month earlier. Both Biden and Trump have campaigns practically built around returning to some vision of our past, which will probably appeal to plenty of people even more, but seems like the worst possible response to this crisis.

Day 8 of Enhanced Community Quarantine here in the Philippines.

So far so good, crime is down, most people appear to be following instructions. Most everyone that can work from home is working from home. Only one person per household is allowed to go outside and buy groceries/essentials. Kinda tough to impose on one island of 40 million people, but hopefully it slows this thing down enough to allow our medical frontliners breathing room.

We've already had a COVID fatality in my suburb, so sad.

We don't have enough testing kits, so we're just at 500 confirmed positive cases in the country with 33 confirmed deaths... but that number is definitely higher.

The tropical heat in the country isn't affecting this thing at all, it seems.

Hope you all are staying safe and keeping your family and friends safe.

Good article on how South Korea did it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/w...ten-curve.html

I'd rather a washed up former ESPN talker be our Lieutenant Governor than that imbecile.


SI

Given this list, what haven't we been ignoring?

Hang in there. I visited Manila and Palawan, beautiful country and people, wish you guys the best.

Yeah, no sh*t it's been postponed you dumb f*cks. Go join the WHO who delayed calling it a Pandemic.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/sport...ntl/index.html

In this time of crisis, who will think of the poor con-man?

Part of the issue here (as opposed to a stimulus package) is our system of government. The President simply CAN'T do a nationwide shelter in place (Constitutionally speaking). And Governors are all over the map on it.

You have dived into Obama's birth certificate isnt real territory with the heart breaking link to the guys wife who ate fish aquarium chemicals but to each their own I guess.

You guys have really lowered the bar on what you expect from the President. I guess you want us to apologize for not doing so, but personally I won't.

He shouldn't be up there touting miracle cures, period. How much better is he than Jim Bakker, really?

I thought there have been pages upon pages of this thread devoted to how South Korea is handling this and we aren't? South Korea uses this and it may be effective, not exactly magic beans? But good thing JPhillips is on top of worrying about a person that didn't even have COVID19 but went ahead and chose to take his own concoction and died. Useful.

I agree with you. Because other western-like countries are exploring hydrochloroquine and others, we should be doing the same. I also don't think we can blame Trump on this particular act of Darwin award stupidity.

Trump should be messaging "hope". He thinks he's doing this with his out-of-context statements (with Fauci rolling his eyes behind him). Instead, he should be providing context and saying:

"... hydrochloroquine (and others) has anecdotally shown to be effective. However, we need to go through the process to confirm this. That is why I've asked the CDC/Fauci/Birx to create a specific task force to expedite these studies. We will give you an update on our progress on X date"

My question is how difficult is it to do double-blind tests with these drugs? It would seem with the urgency that we would have some sort of "indicative results" already. Sad to say but there would be no lack of human volunteers.