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henry296 08-24-2005 07:39 PM

Didn't want a tie vote and felt bek was a better choice than blade.

Lathum 08-24-2005 07:56 PM

almost 9:00

anyone not vote yet?

Mr. Wednesday 08-24-2005 07:59 PM

I don't think RealDeal ever voted.

Mr. Wednesday 08-24-2005 07:59 PM

Dola, bek hasn't voted either.

RealDeal 08-24-2005 08:44 PM

Sorry. The deadline snuck up on me. I'll vote for bek, but I have no reason to do so other than avoiding a tie.

vote bek

Neon_Chaos 08-24-2005 09:05 PM

Vote Results: (Votes after 9PM do not count)

bek - digamma, pennywisesb, henry296, blade6119
blade6119 - Lathum, barkeep49
ardent enthusiast - mrbug708
saldana - cartman
kingfc22 - Vince
cartman - saldana
vince - kingfc22
henry296 - sackattack
mrbug708 - ardent enthusiast
barkeep49 - rpi-fan
realdeal - mr. w
raiders army - sndvls
lathum - dubb93
rpi-fan - raiders army

You all gather around bek, who professes his innocence. Noone listens. He is quickly strung up and you hang him from the same place where Neon_Chaos was found! He struggles for a few seconds, before having the life sucked out of him. You look through his belongings, and look around his room... it is clear that Bek was a Villager!

1. kingfc22
2. Blade6119
3. Vince
4. SackAttack
5. MrBug708
6. dubb93
7. ardent enthusiast
8. raiders army
9. Lathum
10. saldana
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. henry296
13. digamma
14. cartman
15. RealDeal
16. Barkeep49
17. Bek - Villager, lynched Day 1
18. pennywisesb
19. RPI-Fan
20. SnDvls

You all head back to your homes... fearing the worst! IT IS NOW NIGHT(1), KINDLY SEND IN YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Thanks. :) Deadline is at 9AM EDT.

edit: sorry for the mix-up in votes.

Lathum 08-24-2005 09:07 PM

sorry Bek. If anyone knows how you feel it's me

digamma 08-24-2005 09:17 PM

My apologies as well--especially since I was the first vote for Bek.

Here's hoping we can get some (safe) shut-eye tonight.

Mr. Wednesday 08-24-2005 09:23 PM

Hey, this is a WW game. Nobody's safe tonight. :)

MrBug708 08-24-2005 09:27 PM

Always sucks to die the first day and for no reason.

henry296 08-24-2005 09:47 PM

Sorry bek... just the luck of the draw.

Barkeep49 08-24-2005 10:24 PM

A most unfortunate event as are most first day lynchings.

Lathum 08-24-2005 10:30 PM

has bek even posted in this thread?

pennywisesb 08-24-2005 10:31 PM

Well, apparently luck is not on our side today.....Sorry Bek

Mr. Wednesday 08-24-2005 10:34 PM

I don't believe Bek posted after signing up. That sucks, though, dying early isn't much fun at all.

Barkeep49 08-24-2005 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday
I don't believe Bek posted after signing up. That sucks, though, dying early isn't much fun at all.

I believe you are correct which makes this the second best outcome. The game is more fun with active participants.

kingfc22 08-24-2005 11:27 PM

Well that was no good. Hopefully we do better tomorrow.

SackAttack 08-24-2005 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos
bek - digamma, pennywisesb, sackattack, blade6119
blade6119 - Lathum, barkeep49
ardent enthusiast - mrbug708
saldana - cartman
kingfc22 - Vince
cartman - saldana
vince - kingfc22
sackattack - henry296
mrbug708 - ardent enthusiast
barkeep49 - rpi-fan
realdeal - mr. w
raiders army - sndvls
lathum - dubb93
rpi-fan - raiders army[/b]


I'm confused here. I didn't vote for bek, and yet my name is listed after his. Henry voted for me originally, but changed his vote to Bek, and yet his name is listed after mine. Little clarification, please?

SackAttack 08-24-2005 11:38 PM

Dola,

Not that it matters much tonight, since Bek was apparently going to get lynched anyway, but having votes listed incorrectly could make a difference later on. How much would it suck to see an innocent villager get lynched because people piled on incorrectly believing he voted for somebody he didn't?

Mr. Wednesday 08-24-2005 11:59 PM

The count is correct, but the votes involving you and henry were not recorded correctly. You voted for henry, rather than vice versa, and henry (not you) voted for Bek.

Neon_Chaos 08-25-2005 03:07 AM

The night passes quickly... you hear only one distinct noise... a horrifying scream that pieces your ears.

As you walk out, you notice that two men are missing. You see SnDvls' body hanging by the neck in front of his house, his belongings all over the floor. He is obviously NOT going to vote tonight. SnDvls has died!

You then look for Vince, he is not in his room, and everything inside it is smashed beyond identification. You follow a trail of blood, it goes out of the house and into a small clearance down the road. Vince's mangled body lies there, his face half-gone, his flesh torn apart... as if he was feasted upon. Vince has died!

You all start feeling quite uneasy... the hanging you could understand... but this? This is not something of the ordinary... what was the priest talking about?

1. kingfc22
2. Blade6119
3. Vince - ???, killed Night 1
4. SackAttack
5. MrBug708
6. dubb93
7. ardent enthusiast
8. raiders army
9. Lathum
10. saldana
11. Mr. Wednesday
12. henry296
13. digamma
14. cartman
15. RealDeal
16. Barkeep49
17. Bek - Villager, lynched Day 1
18. pennywisesb
19. RPI-Fan
20. SnDvls - ???, killed Night 1

IT IS NOW DAY(2)! VOTES ARE DUE AT 9PM EDT!

Vince 08-25-2005 03:19 AM

Sweet.

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 05:55 AM

Crap. We wasted Day 1 votes. I wasn't thinking straight yesterday, but when we spread out the votes, we didn't establish any voting patterns. I suggest that we do so today.

Poli 08-25-2005 06:10 AM

Well, I'm good as dead. I don't have a clue who to vote for next.

Barkeep49 08-25-2005 06:29 AM

Well it seems as though not only does our fine village have a crime problem it also has a wolf problem. Alas.

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 07:26 AM

Does the werewolf and the mafia know who each other are?

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast
Well, I'm good as dead. I don't have a clue who to vote for next.

I'm sorry but I don't understand. Why are you good as dead?

henry296 08-25-2005 07:55 AM

I am much more afraid now that there are both Mafia and Werewolves.

saldana 08-25-2005 08:03 AM

to say this is an interesting development would be an understatement. the best we can hope for now is that the wolf got a mafioso last night (or does in the future)

henry296 08-25-2005 08:47 AM

Still wary of how SackAttack responded to my posts yesterday, so I am going to stay with him. I'm going to be a little busy during the day, so I think I'll get my vote in early.

VOTE SackAttack

Lathum 08-25-2005 09:04 AM

Wow. Any of you mafia guys got any spare silver bullets?

Barkeep49 08-25-2005 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296
Still wary of how SackAttack responded to my posts yesterday, so I am going to stay with him. I'm going to be a little busy during the day, so I think I'll get my vote in early.

VOTE SackAttack

Well that does it for me. Here is a guy who "knew" Blade wasn't a bad guy yesterday. Initially this would lead me to believe that he's the seer or a mafiosio. When he wasn't killed last night I already was thinking of him. But now that he comes out swinging today and we find out that he is now MORE likely to be a bad guy (2 out 3) than a good guy? I vote Henry

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49
Well that does it for me. Here is a guy who "knew" Blade wasn't a bad guy yesterday. Initially this would lead me to believe that he's the seer or a mafiosio. When he wasn't killed last night I already was thinking of him. But now that he comes out swinging today and we find out that he is now MORE likely to be a bad guy (2 out 3) than a good guy? I vote Henry

After re-reading what henry was talking about yesterday, I have to agree with you. What gut feeling is he talking about? Also, it looks as if he's trying to shake things up.

FWIW, after being on the bad guys' side two games in a row gives me a little insight as to how they play the game. What we tried to do is keep it quiet unless one of us was threatened...and maybe not even then. That being said, I think henry is just too "out there" to be a wolf or mafia guy.

I would like to hear about what his gut feeling about Blade was.

Barkeep49 08-25-2005 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
After re-reading what henry was talking about yesterday, I have to agree with you. What gut feeling is he talking about? Also, it looks as if he's trying to shake things up.

FWIW, after being on the bad guys' side two games in a row gives me a little insight as to how they play the game. What we tried to do is keep it quiet unless one of us was threatened...and maybe not even then. That being said, I think henry is just too "out there" to be a wolf or mafia guy.

I would like to hear about what his gut feeling about Blade was.

Honestly I still think he might be the seer. If it had just been Mafia and villagers I would have just sat back and watched what he did. But with two evil groups out there I think voting Henry is +EV :). If something more convincing comes along I will definitely be willing to change my vote.

Lathum 08-25-2005 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49
Well that does it for me. Here is a guy who "knew" Blade wasn't a bad guy yesterday. Initially this would lead me to believe that he's the seer or a mafiosio. When he wasn't killed last night I already was thinking of him. But now that he comes out swinging today and we find out that he is now MORE likely to be a bad guy (2 out 3) than a good guy? I vote Henry

I does strike me as odd that Henry wasn't whacked last night. I would think if he was the seer the mafia would want him out early. I am holding off on my vote for now because the seer is such a valuable asset to us, but I would like to hear an explination from Henry why he made this play so early on in the game when his alleged talents can help us alot more down the road.

digamma 08-25-2005 09:43 AM

Wow.

This should be an interesting game.

henry296 08-25-2005 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49
Honestly I still think he might be the seer. If it had just been Mafia and villagers I would have just sat back and watched what he did. But with two evil groups out there I think voting Henry is +EV :). If something more convincing comes along I will definitely be willing to change my vote.


This is not a poker game :) This is my "life" we are talking about and it shouldn't be a EV decision.

I will admit, I was a bit surprised that I wasn't killed last night, but perhaps the mafia/werewolves thought I might be protected so they went for someone else.

Lathum 08-25-2005 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296
This is not a poker game :) This is my "life" we are talking about and it shouldn't be a EV decision.

I will admit, I was a bit surprised that I wasn't killed last night, but perhaps the mafia/werewolves thought I might be protected so they went for someone else.

can you explain your strategy for outing yourself so early?

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry296
This is not a poker game :) This is my "life" we are talking about and it shouldn't be a EV decision.

I will admit, I was a bit surprised that I wasn't killed last night, but perhaps the mafia/werewolves thought I might be protected so they went for someone else.

Just for the record, you are the seer or are you not the seer?

saldana 08-25-2005 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
Just for the record, you are the seer or are you not the seer?

do we really want an anwser to that question already? if he is the seer, the ret. ofc. can only protect him once before the mafia can get him, and even if the mafia cant get him, we dont know if the werewolf is stopped by the ret. ofc. or not, so if he doesnt get whacked, he can still get eaten. i would think the seer should remain under the radar for a bit more.

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana
do we really want an anwser to that question already? if he is the seer, the ret. ofc. can only protect him once before the mafia can get him, and even if the mafia cant get him, we dont know if the werewolf is stopped by the ret. ofc. or not, so if he doesnt get whacked, he can still get eaten. i would think the seer should remain under the radar for a bit more.

Well, in my mind, he's already gone 9/10ths of the way there and has made himself a target. He should have thought of remaining under the radar before he responded today. He could have just explained it as a gut feeling as opposed to saying what he did.

saldana 08-25-2005 10:23 AM

from my humble villagers perspective, the only people who would want that information so clearly defined are the ones that wear black silk ties on black shirts.

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana
from my humble villagers perspective, the only people who would want that information so clearly defined are the ones that wear black silk ties on black shirts.

Whatever you want to think. I'd rather know outright we can trust him or not. The bad guys know he's not one of them. The more information we have, the better our chances are. If we know for sure he's the seer, then we can at least protect him tonight.

pennywisesb 08-25-2005 10:35 AM

Wow, thats quite a twist, mafioso and werewolves....This should be fun. I also agree with Saldana here, it seems as though the only people who would want the info on Henry so early would be mafioso.

Lathum 08-25-2005 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army
Whatever you want to think. I'd rather know outright we can trust him or not. The bad guys know he's not one of them. The more information we have, the better our chances are. If we know for sure he's the seer, then we can at least protect him tonight.

there are 2 problems I see with this.

1. even if he says he is the seer how do we know he is telling the truth?
2. we can only protect him tonight, so unless he gets very lucky and spots a mafia guy tonight he is dead tomorrow.

I am currently leaning towards him being the seer at this point, but I still would like an explination. When you break it down, Henry is basicly commiting suicide.

SackAttack 08-25-2005 10:41 AM

You know, I almost fear Neon_Chaos more than I do SirFozzie at this point. I knew Foz could be an evil bastard, but this...this borders on genius.

MrBug708 08-25-2005 10:44 AM

That's quite a turn...

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb
Wow, thats quite a twist, mafioso and werewolves....This should be fun. I also agree with Saldana here, it seems as though the only people who would want the info on Henry so early would be mafioso.

Here are the possibilities:

1. henry is the seer and we can trust him and need to protect him. The advantage we have is that the wolves and mafia don't know when the bodyguard will protect him.

2. henry is not the seer but a simple villager. The only reason why I can think of that he would make this claim would be to protect the real seer...but if he's trying to protect the seer, it might be better to "reveal" that he is a seer.

3. henry is a bad guy. It's the perfect cover for a bad guy. When he doesn't get whacked, well the bodyguard protected him.

At this point, only one person knows for sure what he is: henry. If he's a good guy, then the wolves and mafia know that he's either possibility 1 or 2 above. If he's a bad guy, then the wolves definitely know he's possibility 3.

Raiders Army 08-25-2005 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum
there are 2 problems I see with this.

1. even if he says he is the seer how do we know he is telling the truth?
2. we can only protect him tonight, so unless he gets very lucky and spots a mafia guy tonight he is dead tomorrow.

I am currently leaning towards him being the seer at this point, but I still would like an explination. When you break it down, Henry is basicly commiting suicide.

Good points. I just wonder why leaned this way so early.

pennywisesb 08-25-2005 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack
You know, I almost fear Neon_Chaos more than I do SirFozzie at this point. I knew Foz could be an evil bastard, but this...this borders on genius.


I agree. I'm really glad I got in on this one. It should be quite interesting....Oh yeah, and Sack, the 3B I'm going to pick in the DKBL draft is going to be a Dodger killer ;)


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