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Chief Rum 03-10-2015 07:37 PM
Here you go, Suicane. I'm village but font just keeps coming after me and acting weird. I'm not sure she's a wolf, but at this point I just want to know what the heck her story is.

The numbers are now close enough to make it worth it.

UNVOTE SUICANE75
VOTE FONTISIAN

EagleFan 03-10-2015 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicane75 (Post 3009041)
Now you vote for another guy who isn't going to be voted out. You're playing a game of 3 card monty here friend.

Was a joke. He isn't in the game. Someone voted for him yesterday no realizing he wasn't in the game. I figured that I would carry on the tradition.

EagleFan 03-10-2015 07:41 PM
unvote Shoveler

vote Suicane75

Happy now?

JAG 03-10-2015 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicane75 (Post 3009048)
This is why this game "bothers" me, as soon as someone else gives me a lifeline, someone else comes in and takes it away, but it's so obvious that it makes me think it can't be a wolf plan. But maybe the idea is to make everyone think it isn't a wolf plan by being so obvious.

At the very least EF could give me some Ritalin.

To get votes off you, the best thing you can do is review what's happened thus far and make a case for voting someone else. If you're a villager, that's what you should always be trying to do. It's a communal effort to look at everything that's going on.

cheekimonk 03-10-2015 07:41 PM
My reasoning wasn't that suicane flipped, but the timing...and then staying with GE effectively keeping him at or near the lead until the late rush axed one of our good guys. Could be coincidence, but it's the only thing that sticks out to me.

Raven 03-10-2015 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3009045)

Everything?

Does me voting for you make me scum? Why?

No but if I have to vote a random person to get rid of, I'll gladly choose the one with the abrasive tone in too many of their posts. (You)

EagleFan 03-10-2015 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 3009049)
Add me to the list of those that question EF's actions yesterday. It's easy to say his vote bouncing is a good strategy to force a wolf's hand a bit, but what if all the lead vote getters were villagers? Then his vote bouncing achieved nothing.

It also gives him a little too much freedom to change votes, without much question. You guys are questioning anyone else that changed votes yesterday, but letting him off the hook because he was doing it all day long. No one else sees the danger in that? He could basically have one target all day, bounce around to appear random, and then end up on someone that was completely not random at all. How do we know yesterday wasn't exactly that?

I think it was timmaee that mentioned EF has done this in a previous game, so he wasn't concerned with it. I don't buy that at all. That simply means he has a cover if he ever does choose to use it as a wolf.

I'm not saying EF is or isn't a wolf, I'm just saying he's no less suspect than any of the rest of you.

Since I have no idea who is or isn't a wolf, my vote switching was just that, vote switching. It gives us nothing if those in the running were villagers but keeping it on one person would have achieved the same thing. That at least gave a slight chance of smoking out a wolf.

To be honest, I was pretty much amusing myself in the process. No sense in playing without having fun at it. Last time I played WW was at boardgamegeek and I probably would have been looked at today for NOT moving my vote enough over there. :)

Suicane75 03-10-2015 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3009062)
unvote Shoveler

vote Suicane75

Happy now?

It's what I expected you to do anyway.

Suicane75 03-10-2015 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekimonk (Post 3009064)
My reasoning wasn't that suicane flipped, but the timing...and then staying with GE effectively keeping him at or near the lead until the late rush axed one of our good guys. Could be coincidence, but it's the only thing that sticks out to me.

I flipped to the next highest guy simply to save myself. I even said as much.

EagleFan 03-10-2015 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicane75 (Post 3009067)
It's what I expected you to do anyway.

Not sure why, you weren't on my radar until recently.

fontisian 03-10-2015 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven (Post 3009065)
No but if I have to vote a random person to get rid of, I'll gladly choose the one with the abrasive tone in too many of their posts. (You)
Then there's the problem. HomerSimpson98 accused you of not making decisive votes or trying to figure out the game. You countered by saying you voted for the same person both Days for no alignment related reason, and expected that to clear you.

Suicane75 03-10-2015 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3009063)
To get votes off you, the best thing you can do is review what's happened thus far and make a case for voting someone else. If you're a villager, that's what you should always be trying to do. It's a communal effort to look at everything that's going on.

That's what I'm trying to do man. It's hard for me to focus on so many people though. That, and the case I'm making is for someone who absolutely isn't getting voted out tonight anyway, so it only does me so much good.

fontisian 03-10-2015 07:54 PM
Suicane, indulge me in a hypothetical situation. A wolf is run up early on in this game. What do they roleclaim and how do they do it?

EagleFan 03-10-2015 07:56 PM
If font claims what Suicane replies I am voting for both of them somehow... :)

Suicane75 03-10-2015 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3009072)
Suicane, indulge me in a hypothetical situation. A wolf is run up early on in this game. What do they roleclaim and how do they do it?

I feel like this is my first semester of algebra, cause I honestly don't have any idea what you're asking.

britrock88 03-10-2015 07:59 PM
Despite my vote being on you, I agree with your read--I'm getting a negative feel for EF.

cheekimonk 03-10-2015 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicane75 (Post 3009068)
I flipped to the next highest guy simply to save myself. I even said as much.

That's fair enough. And, again, I'm not comfortable yet being the tentpole on anyone.

unvote Suicane75
vote Grover

Suicane75 03-10-2015 07:59 PM
I mean, I know what you're asking, I just know the answer.

britrock88 03-10-2015 08:00 PM
Dola: that was meant to quote Sui. I'm time warping on mobile

Suicane75 03-10-2015 08:00 PM
don't know the answer. It should read.

Chief Rum 03-10-2015 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicane75 (Post 3009076)
I feel like this is my first semester of algebra, cause I honestly don't have any idea what you're asking.

I think she's asking you what a wolf would say if he is up for lynch to save himself.

britrock88 03-10-2015 08:01 PM
Also agree with JAG's earlier sentiment that Font seems good but shouldn't be above suspicion.

Chief Rum 03-10-2015 08:01 PM
If my math is right, we're at threes across the board between font, Suicane and Grover. Soooooooooo awesome!

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:01 PM
Suicane, another important question.... WHY FREAKING SAM BRADFORD?????

Suicane75 03-10-2015 08:01 PM
I guess he would claim to be the Duke so you wouldn't vote for him. How he'd do it, I dunno.

saldana 03-10-2015 08:02 PM
i am back in case you missed me

i am happy with my vote being where it is now more than i was when i left.

Suicane75 03-10-2015 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3009085)
Suicane, another important question.... WHY FREAKING SAM BRADFORD?????

Brother, I'm not even accepting calls from my friends tonight, because I don't want to say the words out loud.

HomerSimpson98 03-10-2015 08:03 PM
As an anti-iggle fan I vote we never kill chip Kelly. In fact someone should guard him every hour I every day

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98 (Post 3009090)
As an anti-iggle fan I vote we never kill chip Kelly. In fact someone should guard him every hour I every day

Maybe I should rethink my vote... :)

britrock88 03-10-2015 08:08 PM
Also concur with the perception that there's no read out there for Chief Rum. Very UTR-feeling to this point.

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:08 PM
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fontisian 03-10-2015 08:09 PM
Thank you Suicane.

Vote: Raven

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:09 PM
Either I am rusty or there are about 12 wolves in this game. I think the former is most likely.

saldana 03-10-2015 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3009098)
Either I am rusty or there are about 12 wolves in this game. I think the former is most likely.

did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

Suicane75 03-10-2015 08:15 PM
Now that sounds like a trippy game.

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saldana (Post 3009101)
did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

Didn't play in that one. Remember hearing about it though.

cheekimonk 03-10-2015 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saldana (Post 3009101)
did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

Wait...that's really possible? I know we guessed at the number of wolves, but the vets seemed to settle around 3 or 4.

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:16 PM
Vote Count:

3 - Suicane75 - britrock88 (331), Grover (344), EagleFan (403)
3 - Grover - path12 (271), Suicane75 (367), cheekimonk (417)
3 - fontisian - Raven (330), saldana (354), Chief Rum (401)
3 - Raven - HomerSimpson98 (343), Zinto (387), fontisian (432)

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:16 PM
Think that is right.

Chief Rum 03-10-2015 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by britrock88 (Post 3009095)
Also concur with the perception that there's no read out there for Chief Rum. Very UTR-feeling to this point.

Actually, I have the sixth most posts.

That said, I get this read a lot from others. Call it the Chief Rum Effect.

I have been ignored as a wolf because of it, and I have been lynched as a villager because of it.

cheekimonk 03-10-2015 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3009106)
Think that is right.

That's what I've got. Missing votes from JAG and timmae.

Chief Rum 03-10-2015 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saldana (Post 3009101)
did you play in that game...i think AlanT ran it...everyone was a wolf except for 2 people that were villagers (i was one)...we thought we were awesome on day 3 when we got another wolf...then we realized we were the only villagers (which in fact made us the wolves)

That game was a trip.

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3009107)
Actually, I have the sixth most posts.

That said, I get this read a lot from others. Call it the Chief Rum Effect.

I have been ignored as a wolf because of it, and I have been lynched as a villager because of it.

I like that logic... it looks like you are being ignored in the vote... therefore... ;)

JAG 03-10-2015 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3008460)
unvote Grover
vote JAG

More than enough time to adjust these votes yet... don't want a runaway train of votes for no reason.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suicane75 (Post 3008463)
Unvote: Grover
Vote: GoldenEagle

Just self preservation since I don't know if I'll be around at deadline. Stop voting for me though, I'm a good guy. I'm a good guy dammit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3008471)
Unvote Raven

Vote Grover

EF, this is a weird sequence. Do you remember whyyou switch to Grover yesterday after the two votes on him went to other targets?

timmae 03-10-2015 08:19 PM
vote raven

His votes so far are one sided... font and that's it. The goldeneagle vote causes suspicion. Font reads good to me... for those reasons.

Suicane75 03-10-2015 08:19 PM
Unvote: Grover
Vote: Raven

No feel at all for Raven, but the only other option here is Font, and I feel like A) She just helped me & B)If I vote for her she just switches her vote back anyway. So, stayin alive, stayin alive.

Chief Rum 03-10-2015 08:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3009110)
I like that logic... it looks like you are being ignored in the vote... therefore... ;)

:D :banghead:

Raven 03-10-2015 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3009070)
Then there's the problem. HomerSimpson98 accused you of not making decisive votes or trying to figure out the game. You countered by saying you voted for the same person both Days for no alignment related reason, and expected that to clear you.

I'm not expecting to be cleared. I've done nothing to "earn clearance", just like none of the rest of you have. I don't need to be the one to decide someone's fate on day 1. There's not enough information to make a decisive vote. It was basically drawing straws, and GE lost. He did nothing particularly wrong, and ended up being a villager.

While you ended up being the decisive vote yesterday, EF forced your hand to save yourself. You had a choice to vote GE, hope someone changed their vote, or change your vote. Your decision was made for you. If anything, that makes EF and you possible suspects in my opinion.

JAG 03-10-2015 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3008504)
Vote Count:

3 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177)
3 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Chief Rum (174), GoldenEagle (190)
3 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), JAG (189), Raven (192)
2 - britrock88 - path12 (134), cheekimonk (197)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)
1 - Raven - fontisian (145)
1 - JAG - timmae (176)
1 - Grover - EagleFan (178)

Quote:
Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3008505)
So three with three now? I want a leader.

UNVOTE BRITROCK88
VOTE GOLDEN EAGLE

If font or sui is bad, this vote from path could be bad, though I otherwise don't rmemeber reading anything bad from path.

EagleFan 03-10-2015 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3009111)
EF, this is a weird sequence. Do you remember whyyou switch to Grover yesterday after the two votes on him went to other targets?

I wasn't sure about the Raven switch and reasoning. Something struck me as being a little off. Day one attempted reasoning to be honest. Also wanted to see if there was any movement back to him after my vote.


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