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Atocep 03-02-2020 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3266752)
Being in fairly close proximity to the Washington breakouts, some people around here suspect they've already had it - based on the descriptions of mild cases having a cough and shortness of breath rather than the more varied typical flu symptoms.


I started getting sick at the end of last week and didn't think much of it since my county (Pierce, which sits right below King and I'm 40 minutes from Seattle) hadn't shown any cases yet. That changed yesterday when I read an article that stated they now believe it's been in Washington for up to 6 weeks. I have the symptoms and I'd describe it as an awful cold. The cough sucks and I've had slight shortness of breath and a slight fever. The fever broke last night and today is the first day I've felt a bit better since Friday.

If it's been in Washington spreading for the past 6 weeks, which looks likely now, we can assume it's nearly everywhere by now.

PilotMan 03-02-2020 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3266771)
I started getting sick at the end of last week and didn't think much of it since my county (Pierce, which sits right below King and I'm 40 minutes from Seattle) hadn't shown any cases yet. That changed yesterday when I read an article that stated they now believe it's been in Washington for up to 6 weeks. I have the symptoms and I'd describe it as an awful cold. The cough sucks and I've had slight shortness of breath and a slight fever. The fever broke last night and today is the first day I've felt a bit better since Friday.

If it's been in Washington spreading for the past 6 weeks, which looks likely now, we can assume it's nearly everywhere by now.





This also describes my oldest son. He was sick last week, fever, aches, bad sinus issues, broke by the end of the week, but no vomiting like you'd see with the flu. We're in NKY. No cases officially, but it wouldn't surprise me. He's a janitor at a local university and tons have been out sick, employees and students. Nobody else in house has gotten it yet.

miami_fan 03-02-2020 04:45 PM

The wife has begun getting texts from parents of her students concerned with what may happen in school this week. The kids in her class are grade level K-2 and some of them have compromised immune systems. Being that it is elementary school, this is a troubling situation on most days since there are also children throughout the school who are brought to school despite being obviously sick.

JPhillips 03-02-2020 05:45 PM

The clip of Trump asking if a good flu vaccine would help against coronavirus is too perfect.

Edward64 03-02-2020 06:07 PM

My wife is a Special Ed teacher. I asked her tonight if school had given any guidance on coronavirus and she said nada.

I would think school systems would tell teachers that if they notice any of the symptoms to send kid to nurse and have kid checked out, or an email to parents saying if your kid is sick the kid has to "really, really" stay home (even if you think its just the flu) etc.

No afflicted yet in GA but am surprised at the lack of pro activeness here.

FWIW, I guess Washington State will be our prototype on how (or not) to react to an outbreak. Some schools were closed today.

miami_fan 03-02-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3266819)
The wife has begun getting texts from parents of her students concerned with what may happen in school this week. The kids in her class are grade level K-2 and some of them have compromised immune systems. Being that it is elementary school, this is a troubling situation on most days since there are also children throughout the school who are brought to school despite being obviously sick.


The count is now for the state:

2 positive tests, one in Tampa area who just came back from Northern Italy.
5 tests pending
15 tests negative
184 being monitored.

RainMaker 03-02-2020 07:43 PM

This is a really good tracker of cases.

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

The CDC removed the "Tested" stat from their site which I hope is not a sign they are trying to hold back data because they fucked up.

Lathum 03-02-2020 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3266819)
The wife has begun getting texts from parents of her students concerned with what may happen in school this week. The kids in her class are grade level K-2 and some of them have compromised immune systems. Being that it is elementary school, this is a troubling situation on most days since there are also children throughout the school who are brought to school despite being obviously sick.


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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3266832)
My wife is a Special Ed teacher. I asked her tonight if school had given any guidance on coronavirus and she said nada.

I would think school systems would tell teachers that if they notice any of the symptoms to send kid to nurse and have kid checked out, or an email to parents saying if your kid is sick the kid has to "really, really" stay home (even if you think its just the flu) etc.

No afflicted yet in GA but am surprised at the lack of pro activeness here.

FWIW, I guess Washington State will be our prototype on how (or not) to react to an outbreak. Some schools were closed today.


My kids school sent out a communication over the weekend basically saying keep your sick kids home. They outlined what they were doing including extra sanatation, making sure kids are more proactive in washing, etc...

PilotMan 03-02-2020 07:59 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if my kid had it last week. Works at a University as a Janitor, people have been sick all over the place, but his symptoms are a mirror image of what they are talking about. Not the flu, but a fever, body aches, cough, shortness of breath, really bad sinus congestion. The whole thing was bad 3-4 days, by day 5 he was feeling better and the fever didn't last more than a couple days. Of course, there's a whole lot of crap out there like that, but if we believe that it's been in the US and spreading for weeks before the first cases are confirmed it stands to reason that it's far more widespread than we currently know, and as a corollary, that it's far less deadly than the current numbers we are looking at.

GrantDawg 03-02-2020 08:04 PM

Governor Kemp holding a press conference at 10pm, along with all the health and safety heads. I imagine this is to announce cases in Georgia.

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Edward64 03-02-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3266869)
Governor Kemp holding a press conference at 10pm, along with all the health and safety heads. I imagine this is to announce cases in Georgia.


Went to AJC and CNN and did not see anything. Thanks for the heads up, I'll tune in at 10.


BTW - what a great day for the stock markets. Honestly, I still think there is worse to come.

GrantDawg 03-02-2020 09:01 PM

Two cases are in Georgia. Both in the same home. One had recently traveled to Italy.

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Edward64 03-02-2020 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3266880)
Two cases are in Georgia. Both in the same home. One had recently traveled to Italy.


Didn't seem to rise to the level of a last minute meeting, situation under control ... I was expecting more. Probably could have waited till the morning but appreciate their efforts in transparency.

JPhillips 03-02-2020 10:08 PM

Pence focusing on what's important:


Galaril 03-02-2020 10:24 PM

My 12 year old came home sick today from schoo. He has a slight fever, terrible cough, headache and nausea.
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Lathum 03-03-2020 05:53 AM

Wife is traveling today Florida. I’m curious to hear how it went. She took airborn and brought Lysol wipes to clean the plane. She’s also in first class so she won’t be so crammed in.

Ben E Lou 03-03-2020 06:03 AM

Flying to Cali today. Zero face masks worn in GSO-ATL leg. Even here in Hartsfield, less than 5% wearing masks. People in both airports taking much longer than normal washing hands though. No lines for toilets, but quite a few beelines for sinks when we got off the plane here.

Edward64 03-03-2020 06:32 AM

TBH personally I think I'm almost resigned to catching it with all the travelling I do. My wife is a public school teacher, that's another pretty good vector for infection. Sooner or later, it'll be widespread.

In a way, wouldn't it be better to catch it early, get treated if needed (and before system is possibly overwhelmed), build up some immunity (I read that this may not be the case though with people catching it again) before it is widespread in the US?

Am I messed up thinking this way?

Butter 03-03-2020 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3266858)
This is a really good tracker of cases.

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

The CDC removed the "Tested" stat from their site which I hope is not a sign they are trying to hold back data because they fucked up.


That's like a frickin' video game, so weird.

Lathum 03-03-2020 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3266911)
TBH personally I think I'm almost resigned to catching it with all the travelling I do. My wife is a public school teacher, that's another pretty good vector for infection. Sooner or later, it'll be widespread.

In a way, wouldn't it be better to catch it early, get treated if needed (and before system is possibly overwhelmed), build up some immunity (I read that this may not be the case though with people catching it again) before it is widespread in the US?

Am I messed up thinking this way?


I had the same though. Better to catch it now while there are still beds available. That being said, from the sounds of it most of us here wouldn't be in too bad shape.

I am in the same boat as you. My wife travels 2-3 weeks out of the month for work. I am a stay at home dad, but I'm sure my kids would bring it home with them from school.

RainMaker 03-03-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3266912)
That's like a frickin' video game, so weird.


Yeah, at first I was like this map is cool. Now I realize how morbid it is and it sucks.

albionmoonlight 03-03-2020 08:24 AM

Based on the facebook forwards I am seeing from my MAGA relatives, deciding not to protect yourself and others from the pandemic is now a point of pride because the whole thing is just designed to make Trump look bad.

I don't want to tell the Russians how to go about their business, but I'm starting to suspect that they are playing this game in Settler mode. At least kick it up to Prince, you cowards.

CrimsonFox 03-03-2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3266929)
Based on the facebook forwards I am seeing from my MAGA relatives, deciding not to protect yourself and others from the pandemic is now a point of pride because the whole thing is just designed to make Trump look bad.

I don't want to tell the Russians how to go about their business, but I'm starting to suspect that they are playing this game in Settler mode. At least kick it up to Prince, you cowards.




wait are you now saying that republicans WANT the virus?

albionmoonlight 03-03-2020 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3266932)
wait are you now saying that republicans WANT the virus?


No one wants the virus. No one wants others to get the virus.

But I do think that some people (Russian bots, not the Trump administration) are peddling the idea that taking the virus seriously is bad for Trump, so people who support him shouldn't take it too seriously.

The Russians have figured out that they can make 50% of us do anything simply by casting anything as a red state/blue state issue.

albionmoonlight 03-03-2020 10:08 AM

When is the United States going to start widely testing?

Seems like we've passed the "people who have recently been abroad" point and should be testing pretty much everyone with flu-like symptoms or who has been exposed.

What's the holdup?

CrimsonFox 03-03-2020 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3266942)
When is the United States going to start widely testing?

Seems like we've passed the "people who have recently been abroad" point and should be testing pretty much everyone with flu-like symptoms or who has been exposed.

What's the holdup?


in order to perform these test, one must first take their head out of their ass

AnalBumCover 03-03-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3266942)
When is the United States going to start widely testing?

Seems like we've passed the "people who have recently been abroad" point and should be testing pretty much everyone with flu-like symptoms or who has been exposed.

What's the holdup?


Insufficient numbers of available test kits, I would imagine.

JPhillips 03-03-2020 10:34 AM

The CDC actually removed the number of tested row from their public data. There are a number of anecdotal stories about the difficulty in finding a test and the lack of clear criteria given to local providers.

Ben E Lou 03-03-2020 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3266945)
There are a number of anecdotal stories about the difficulty in finding a test and the lack of clear criteria given to local providers.

I have every reason to believe those anecdotes are true. This thing is likely far more widespread than we know.

CrimsonFox 03-03-2020 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3266942)
When is the United States going to start widely testing?

Seems like we've passed the "people who have recently been abroad" point and should be testing pretty much everyone with flu-like symptoms or who has been exposed.

What's the holdup?


firing the pandemic team a couple years ago and not replacing them could be a factor...

Did Trump Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?

molson 03-03-2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3266946)
I have every reason to believe those anecdotes are true. This thing is likely far more widespread than we know.


I think it's probably all over every state in big numbers right now, which would be very good if true. In that we don't have dead and sick clogging our rivers and whatnot despite its prevalence.

The death rate is much higher than the flu but I don't know how that number is impacted by people not getting tested, people recovering without hospitalization, most of the cases occurring in a place like China, etc.

Ben E Lou 03-03-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3266948)
I think it's probably all over every state in big numbers right now, which would be very good if true. In that we don't have dead and sick clogging our rivers and whatnot despite its prevalence.

yup

QuikSand 03-03-2020 11:21 AM

widespread quiet spread (without widespread serious illness and death) = mathematically very good news, easily misunderstood as scary news

AlexB 03-03-2020 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3266933)
The Russians have figured out that they can make 50% of us do anything simply by casting anything as a red state/blue state issue.


QFT

PilotMan 03-03-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3266905)
Wife is traveling today Florida. Iím curious to hear how it went. She took airborn and brought Lysol wipes to clean the plane. Sheís also in first class so she wonít be so crammed in.


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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3266909)
Flying to Cali today. Zero face masks worn in GSO-ATL leg. Even here in Hartsfield, less than 5% wearing masks. People in both airports taking much longer than normal washing hands though. No lines for toilets, but quite a few beelines for sinks when we got off the plane here.



I traveled yesterday and today domestic and people aren't there, because it's not really that widespread (that they know of). Besides, the masks are really for sick people to not spread the illness as opposed to healthy people. I think that the majority of people see this for what it is, and are being cautious, but most people understand where the true risks are.



That damned 38% of people are avoiding Corona beer is such bullshit. Just to show how shit gets twisted around. I didn't hear the exact question, but early on it was phrased "38% of people won't drink Corona beer." None of that was in the context of would they normally drink it, that I am aware of. That immediately was translated to 38% of people think drinking Corona beer will make you sick. I know it was all supposed to be tongue in cheek, but people read into the numbers what they want to see, instead of critically thinking about it.



I still think it's going to be a here or there thing, and ultimately it'll settle down and people will learn to deal with it.


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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3266945)
The CDC actually removed the number of tested row from their public data. There are a number of anecdotal stories about the difficulty in finding a test and the lack of clear criteria given to local providers.





Meanwhile in Korea.....


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/asia/...ntl/index.html

molson 03-03-2020 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3266956)

That damned 38% of people are avoiding Corona beer is such bullshit. Just to show how shit gets twisted around. I didn't hear the exact question, but early on it was phrased "38% of people won't drink Corona beer." None of that was in the context of would they normally drink it, that I am aware of. That immediately was translated to 38% of people think drinking Corona beer will make you sick. I know it was all supposed to be tongue in cheek, but people read into the numbers what they want to see, instead of critically thinking about it.



I choose to believe that those poll results were based upon conscious hipster irony.

Edit: If someone bothers me on the street or in a phone call and asks me if I think Corona beer causes the coronavirus I'm probably saying yes.

JPhillips 03-03-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3266946)
I have every reason to believe those anecdotes are true. This thing is likely far more widespread than we know.


NYC finds a case on the first day of locally controlled testing. There's no way that's the only case in NYC.

Ben E Lou 03-03-2020 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3266954)
widespread quiet spread (without widespread serious illness and death) = mathematically very good news, easily misunderstood as scary news

Yeah, thatís what I was trying to say. Starting to land in that camp.

Ben E Lou 03-03-2020 12:23 PM

Semi humorous side note: flight attendants on the leg to Oakland are holding true to stereotypes. Black female has on plastic gloves as she serves and retrieves. White female picked up my empty water cup with her bare hand, fingers holding to lip of cup where I’d been drinking. ������

Kodos 03-03-2020 12:29 PM

Did she take a swig?

JPhillips 03-03-2020 12:47 PM

Pence met and shook hands with military academy students in FL last week and now one of them is suspected to have coronavirus.

How long before Trump has Pence sanitized with fire?

Kodos 03-03-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3266970)
Pence met and shook hands with military academy students in FL last week and now one of them is suspected to have coronavirus.

How long before Trump has Pence sanitized with fire?


:D

GrantDawg 03-03-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3266970)
Pence met and shook hands with military academy students in FL last week and now one of them is suspected to have coronavirus.

How long before Trump has Pence sanitized with fire?

All they have to do is throw him in a lake. If he floats, he is a witch.

CrimsonFox 03-03-2020 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3266970)
Pence met and shook hands with military academy students in FL last week and now one of them is suspected to have coronavirus.

How long before Trump has Pence sanitized with fire?


well p[ence already wiped his nose with his hand before shaking hands with doctors.


and oh yeah North Korea is shooting people for being infected. Hopefully that won't give stupid any ideas

JPhillips 03-03-2020 03:27 PM

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WHO estimates coronavirus death rate at 3.4 percent – higher than earlier estimates

Well, that's not good.

Lathum 03-03-2020 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3267005)
Well, that's not good.


I wonder if that number goes down once developed nations start to battle it. You have to think the numbers from China are heavily skewing those results.

JPhillips 03-03-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3267006)
I wonder if that number goes down once developed nations start to battle it. You have to think the numbers from China are heavily skewing those results.


I actually think Iran, SK and Italy are what has led them to increase the estimate.

Toddzilla 03-03-2020 03:50 PM

I'd think, since the number of infected is likely grossly under-reported, the mortality rate is actually quite a bit lower than 2-3%

RainMaker 03-03-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3266929)
Based on the facebook forwards I am seeing from my MAGA relatives, deciding not to protect yourself and others from the pandemic is now a point of pride because the whole thing is just designed to make Trump look bad.

I don't want to tell the Russians how to go about their business, but I'm starting to suspect that they are playing this game in Settler mode. At least kick it up to Prince, you cowards.


Trump did allude to this whole thing being a hoax at a rally the other day. And he has criticized media for blowing the story out of proportion. I do think some of the MAGA folks genuinely believe that anything negative happening in this country is a plot to hurt Dear Leader.

RainMaker 03-03-2020 05:17 PM

There is a briefing right now with the VP. They aren't allowing audio or video for some reason.

Says you don't need to buy masks which I've heard from other health professionals. 77 domestic cases, 3 more deaths today (9 total).


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