I guess this is the post in question. I take this more as Font revealing that she was going to reveal a role if things came down to it. My question is why not do that day one or yesterday when there was a very good chance she would be lynched?

Hey people. Time to use your brains.

1. I said I wasn't going to be lynched toDay, implying that I was a powerrole. With EF claiming and me finally getting a shot at doing something you can take as a guess as to why I didn't clarify.

2.If I were the scum in this grouping, I would have claimed Rowena instead of my near useless role and made the seer counterclaim me.

3. Cheek scum slipped. I've played hardball town. Get your shit together townies.

Because I have balls of steel.

I made that post toDay as a fair warning to Cheek, because he said he wouldn't be around. It sucks to be the default lynch when everyone scrambling to get off a power role.

Anyway, my money's on a Cheek/Grover/Saldana/Zinto scumteam, with a side chance of Homer. Saldana works in every Cheek!scum world, so make sure he dies.

Use the chart. I'm not sure it entirely applies to brit, JAG and Chief, but this scumteam isn't exactly on top of roleclaims either (Cheek went for the option that felt safe instead of the most useful one).

I'm actually think the Day 1 voting points to Suicane being town, and Cheek being reluctant to be the deciding vote on any townie.

Hey. People. If Cheek and I are the only ones with votes by the end of the Day, and all the scum roles are in the game, Entukku's going to kill me with him.

I didn't fix color for Raven and timmae, I think font's Raven vote is missing too.

My case against cheek...

The back and forth between he and Suicane looked a little contrived.

His reveal seems rather fake. A while between him hinting and revealing. The reveal has the smell of something a vet would tell him to try, just the right role to reveal due to his circumstance of not being around tonight.

His reaction to being a leading vote getter. Takes it far too lightly at first, like a new player that is a wolf would handle it; not wanting to cause a stir. A new player that is a villager would have been a lot more vocal. It's the deer in headlights look most of us had the first time we were a wolf and had the village looking at us.

Finally, and most important... his knowledge of my role and how it relates to what the wolves can do. There isn't anything specific in the role that is posted that says what he said. I PM'd Jackal to get some details after I found out that I was scanned last night. cheek's take on it seems quite a bit like what I read into the response that I got back.

Oh, and I counterclaimed him. Let's not forget that.

Seriously, does it make any sense at all for me to counter Cheek instead of trying to out another role as scum? Cheek lied. I am telling the truth. Ugh.

Dammit. This is too hard.

unvote fontisian

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Thank you, likely scum.

Vote cheek

After rereading him today, I feel better about this.

The reason for Cheek over Font is that Cheek seemed to really go over how the kills work and then seemed to think he was going to turn into a BG replacement.

The only one I trust here is EF. And while his take is logical it isn't iron clad. Like Grover said, this sucks.

unvote font

Vote cheeki

Ok. Now that we've figured that out, we need to designate 1-2 other people and have a single vote on each, to prevent Entukku's power from being used without risking killing a scum, and also without depleting the majority lynch enough to allow a last minute swing by scum onto me.

vote cheek

This was my original vote. Sticking with it now.

Oh, good catch on that. I thought the wolves got to pick the second lynch, not that it was random.

anyone have a count?

Entukku - Once per game can initiate a double lynch, where the winning vote getter and a random vote getter from that day ..[/quote]

Doesn't matter how many others there are. Just that you are a vote getter

F'ng iPhone butchered that post. My bad. Point I was making is that it doesn't matter that there is 2 or 8 vote getters

this is a purely meta post, and has nothing to with the game

but is it necessary to insult people?

its werewolf...do we need to directly call people as "scum" every 10 minutes?

there will always be conflict...thats the nature of the game, but i have said this before in games...attack the play, not the player...personal attacks have no place here, and if they do, i am done playing.

Doesn't matter how many others there are. Just that you are a vote getter[/quote]

It matters because if too many people go off the wolf, the vote could potentially be swung by the wolves to a villager, especially if they are close to endgame with a mislynch.

Scum is the term for any non-town role. It's not an insult. Neither is a general call to think about what you're doing a personal attack.

I think scum is just the term they use for wolves wherever font plays most, like townie is her term for villager. I don't believe she is calling someone a scum as in a real insult.

Wouldn't it then be better to lynch her now since the Brutal doesn't take effect until after Druss is dead?


I feel you would have known that.

Weren't you guys claiming that I was playing like a cunning? Now I'm a likely brutal all of sudden?

The past hour really makes me feel like font and JAG are playing you guys.

I'm just quoting JAG. I don't think you are a brutal necessarily. But even if his question was true, you're not until AFTER EF DIES WHICH PEOPLE HE HAS NOT.

It's JAG being misleading, and JAG is nothing if not detail oriented. You two are wolves.

perhaps somewhere else it is, but it never has been here.

and "use your brains" and "get your shit together", while not directed at any one individual, are insulting to the people you are referring to (which includes me, who was insulted, so i can speak to this point rather confidently)

You're right. Normally I'm not this embarrassingly bad with rules, but here I've mistaken a couple obvious things. The only thing I can say is I've spent my time going through posts and votes, not looking at page 1. I recalled there was a double lynch bad guy because I hadn't remembered seeing that role before, but I forgot how his power worked and that the brutal didn't appear until Druss was gone.

I stand by my vote of cheek though. I didn't really see what EF and font did at first read, reading again I think he overstepped.

It's the terminology used on almost every site that plays games beyond werewolf. The largest mafia site is actually called "mafiascum." It's so completely integral to gameplay on every site I play except this one, that I don't think I could stop using it if I tried.

Can you explain what's insulting about the other two? They're fairly common phrases in my day to day life, which is admittedly among a younger and more vulgar group of people than frequent this website.

Y'know, if this was a hugely complicated game I could totally buy that.

Here there are 10 possible roles, each with a one line description. Not buying it.

Path, why would he lie about something that easy to check?

are you seriously asking what is insulting about telling a full grown adult to "use your brain"?...basically saying "hey, you are stupid"...nah...not insulting at all.

Because he has a reputation as one of the very best players around here and people will usually trust him without checking for themselves. Hell, I've taken false vote counts at face value before. It's ballsy but you guys NEED tonight to take out Druss. It's actually kind of cracking me up that he is helping you to do it.

If it was a complicated game, I would've been much more on top of the rules. You don't want to believe it, that's fine, but it's the truth. I've been trying to hunt wolves as I believe my posting history shows.

Why in the hell are you chiming in on this? You accused cheeki of the same crap. I swear it's like you want to be lynched

Of course not. It means you aren't thinking in this specific case. If you were stupid, you wouldn't have a brain to use.

If cheek ends up being a commoner, I am voting font and not budging from it tomorrow.

Probably too late then.

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Seriously.

Cheek did not lie (well, except when he roleclaimed, though that was a result of desperation). He had access information he could only acquire as a wolf. I'm sure his explanation of the scum ability to kill Drass is accurate.

Well, I'm only in and out after about five more minutes or so. Any vote count?

++: EF, Font, JAG
+: Grover, Path, Suicane
=: Chief Rum, HomerSimpson
-: Saldana, Zinto
--: Cheekimonk

Font may be abrading, but I think she's got this one right.

What she said.

OK, I'm out. Good job wolves. Hope I'm wrong.

Vote Count:

6 - cheekimonk - EagleFan (516), fontisian (599), saldana (621), Zinto (711), JAG (713), Grover (718)
4 - fontisian - path12 (588), cheekimonk (589), Suicane75 (696), Chief Rum (696)
1 - Zinto - britrock88 (670)