I'll start working on a tally.

I noticed this as well.

In fact, Zinto hasn't cast one vote for anyone not lynched (stayed on GE D1, stayed on Raven D2).

Two straight days Suicane has been in the running, only to be eclipsed by two other candidates later on.

This guy had one of the biggest momentum-swinging votes away from Sui (and onto Font, for what that's worth):

vote Chief Rum

Just a couple thoughts about the end of yesterday, from my view:

- JAG: it seems clear that his last vote was just to ensure a safe margin and prevent any sniping.
- Font: a good deal of attention has been paid to her "Let's just finish lynching Raven" line. It is interesting given the hindsight of Raven coming up town, but we were also dealing with separate strains of last-minute alternatives being offered up. That usually leaves little time for claims and probably risks a good special moreso than just following through with a lynch on a VV claimant.

You know what? I'd rather just go to the source of my consternation to see if anything is really there.

unvote Chief Rum
vote Suicane75

So font wants to lynch a villager (Raven) and has voted to lynch villagers two days straight and is acting off and super aggressive for whatever reason, but you're on me for switching from Suicane to her?

I had wanted to vote for her in the first place, but she wasn't really a candidate by the time I voted. I only switched when she became more of a possibility.

There were a ton of "momentum-swinging" votes yesterday. To be frank, I'm more looking askance at the ones who didn't participate in the vote changes.

How many vote changes did you have yesterday, brit?

That makes more sense. That's a vote I can support, as I want to know what his deal is, too. Suicane may not be anything--there isn't a ton of evidence that he is. But he has figured so prominently in our votes that knowing his allegiance would be a tremendous aid in our vote analysis.

FTR, I don't think we're facing four wolves. Given the numbers in the game, that just seems like too much.

I suspect we have three wolves, four villager roles and probably the other dude, too. I guess he is neutral, but it sounds like he wins with the village.

Updated Brit's Day 2 vote with standings:


Just easier for me to see this way. Still scrolls though. My cut and paste and finding wolves skillz have apparently stagnated. :mad:

Since I know I'm a villager, I'd be interested more in the people who started the runs on me. Including today.

This combo happened at 6 minutes and 4 minutes before deadline, followed by a timmae night kill. Thoughts from others on this? My first impression was that this looked better for Zinto after timmae was night killed.

Not sure what to think about path. Anyone getting a read on him? I see hit and run.

Timmae also threw a vote for EF late. Misdirection for both? Or something more sinister? Fudge if I know.

I think that timmae night kill could tell us something. Why timmae over JAG? No offense meant to timmae by that question, just trying to get into the wolves' heads when they made that decision.

Scant, but positive.

I'm wondering if it's a wolfpack consisting of newer folks.

Or one that makes us want to think this.

It sure would be nice to have some red in the vote charts to help us analyze things...

Okay, I can reveal this now. I misread my PM and thought that I lost my protection powers if I reveal but I only lose the PM ability with the seer if I reveal. That becomes useless after tonight when the wolves kill me.

I am the bodyguard and was scanned last night; they know who I am and I can now be killed because of that scan. I didn't initially say it because I thought that I lost my bodyguard powers which would pretty much make me a vanilla villager and give the wolves an incentive to keep me alive.

Since I can't protect the seer it kind of makes my role a crapshoot anyway as I wouldn't know who to protect.

I protected JAG night one and Chief Rum on night two so far. I was close to protecting Narc but decided JAG, wish I went with my first thought.

EF, that was the very first time all game that I've made a vote with no comment plus I've been pretty active throughout. With the vote jumping you've done that is BS.

For the record, I think JAG and font are both wolves. I think font is likely the cunning which is why she has been quite upfront in her interactions -- so she could be scanned good. JAG has a good reputation here, has figured in a few vote moves and tipped to Raven end of day yesterday. They both could be considered vet enough for the night 1 Narcizo kill.

I could very well be wrong, I might be right, but at least I've got some sort of theory.

I appreciate thinking aloud! I really don't think JAG and Font are both wolves, though your point about the cunning is well-taken.

In looking over yesterday and today, I see Brit throwing around a good bit of suspicion and taking fairly safe opinions. I'm going to start here.

Vote brit

Good, I suspected you were alright. This unsurprisingly confirms one of the wolf roles in the game.

If I was a wolf you would already be dead. I have watched you blow up too many wolf teams to not try to remove you from a game ASAP.

Assuming EF is telling the truth, I think Sui is a bad vote today. He came out vs. EF last night and first thing today, which is totally unnecessary if they're going to kill EF anyway.

I wish Autumn was playing. He always can tell when Jag is a wolf.

I was also thinking font was either good or cunning the way she's played out in front. I voted late last night to make sure there wasn't a tie and went with my best shot at a wolf at the time. I'm not saying a wolf would never do that, but it puts a big spotlight on you. If there was another wolf up, I agree it looks a good bit worse though.

My gut instinct on font the past day or so has been cunning, too. She just seems very over the top. While that's not unheard of for her, she's even more so in this game, from what I am used to.

Is this a post that the wolf team would target as a newbie asking for help on who to scan? I assume that they were seer hunting yesterday and there isn't a lot else I could find.

Good point Zinto, I hadn't read into it like that, but it does look like a seer asking for a scan option.

The other thing about brit is Narc was the first night kill and voted brit to start the game, which would make Narc look pretty good if brit ever turned up wolf, so you get a 2-for-1 eliminating a good player who also looks good with his vote.

To be honest, it's as much meta as anything and I usually hate meta voting.

But if we posit that Narc means a vet on the wolves team and you are still alive after three days than that last minute vote looks more shady than it might.

Though I'll add that I thought you had defended font when I pointed out her combo of going for Raven plus the fact that she is in the zone as far as playing right now if it has been as intensive as she indicated. When I looked back it was Brit -- and I thought your post regarding his quotes was sort of persuasive which would be a point for you.

Werewolf is a hard game. But given some of the other comments after pointing my finger at you two leads me to switch up:

UNVOTE JAG
VOTE FONTISIAN

I had been wondering if font was always so confrontational and blunt. With the vets pointing out now that she's not, that unknown factor in my thinking has an answer...

vote fontisian

Take cheek out, then worry about the other wolves. The more I see the more I am convinced that he is a wolf.

dola: not that we should have a runaway; that way we can get some vote history (or you guys can get some vote history) to look at tomorrow.

She's always blunt in the few games I've played with her. She is also fearless and very clever and I'll always have a soft spot for how great she was for my team in the Game of Thrones game. So the first day or two I was kind of irritated about how people were reacting to her.

But as time goes by this game and we see a few votes, I think she is bad bad bad.

what are you seeing? i have never played with him before (i think this is his first game) and am not getting any kind of read, but given that no one has countered your claim, i am highly inclined to trust you at this point.

It would not surprise me at all. And if you are getting killed our priority should be trying to take out the brutal. But I have no idea who that may be.

Dola, the brutal or whatever the one was that had the ability to kill you.

this is what i was thinking too...the cunnings job is to draw attention and get scanned, so by coming on so strong (too strong some may say), she was possibly doing exactly that.

she has done a couple other things that have pinged my radar as well, such as basically flinging everyone in the game's name against the wall to see who she can get traction on for a vote.

i will wait to vote til i hear back from EF, but i see no reason to change my vote from yesterday.

Is there any reasoning I can address? All I see is:


With your reveal, voting me out takes us to 6:3 at best, 5:4 at worst (lynching me, your death, and their NK). This could be a game-deciding vote so I at least want to know I made my case and it isn't just carelessness that got me, and the village, killed. I'd like to play with you guys again in the future. :D

FYI, I have a date at 6p Central. Could be drinks...could be more, so I may not be around for the deadline.

Vote: Cheekimonk
Tell you what, you tell me what the obvious thing you did wrong was, and I'll point out the less obvious thing for future reference.

<3

Aw. I forgive you for being completely wrong/possibly (but probably not?) evil.