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Peregrine 03-17-2004 01:34 PM

FBCB: AD Expectations
 
It's often commented on that some ADs seem to have inordinately high expectations for a coach that are hard to meet. I've been fired at high profile schools for doing a good but not great job. I have to wonder though, what kind of expectations this coach's AD must have. How can he still have a job?

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COACH DETAILS

 Phillip Medellin - Head Coach - Gardner Webb
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 Age:            57
 High School:    Kerkhoven High School
 Hometown:        Kerkhoven, MN
 Alma Mater:      Eastern Washington
 
 Current Level:  4
 Career Record:  214 - 544
 
 Recruiting:      8
 Scouting:        11
 Offense:        12
 Defense:        9

 
 Coaching History:
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 Season Team                    Position      W  L  CW  CL  Postseason
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 2029  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    6  22  0  0  No Postseason
 2028  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    6  22  0  0  No Postseason
 2027  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    4  24  0  0  No Postseason
 2026  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  12  16  0  0  No Postseason
 2025  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  12  16  0  0  No Postseason
 2024  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  10  19  0  0  No Postseason
 2023  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  11  17  0  0  No Postseason
 2022  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    8  20  0  0  No Postseason
 2021  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    4  24  0  0  No Postseason
 2020  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    5  23  0  0  No Postseason
 2019  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  14  14  0  0  No Postseason
 2018  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  11  17  0  0  No Postseason
 2017  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  11  17  0  0  No Postseason
 2016  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    7  21  0  0  No Postseason
 2015  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    8  20  0  0  No Postseason
 2014  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    9  19  0  0  No Postseason
 2013  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    4  24  0  0  No Postseason
 2012  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    6  22  0  0  No Postseason
 2011  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    8  21  0  0  No Postseason
 2010  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  10  18  0  0  No Postseason
 2009  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    9  19  0  0  No Postseason
 2008  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    6  22  0  0  No Postseason
 2007  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    5  23  0  0  No Postseason
 2006  Gardner Webb            Head Coach  11  17  0  0  No Postseason
 2005  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    9  19  0  0  No Postseason
 2004  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    1  27  0  0  No Postseason
 2003  Gardner Webb            Head Coach    7  21  0  0  No Postseason
 
 Awards & Achievements:
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 Season  Award
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 2017    Conference Coach of the Year (Independent)
 
 Job Movement:
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 Season  Move
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 2003    Hired by Gardner Webb (Head Coach)


rjolley 03-17-2004 01:38 PM

Another question....how was he coach of the year with a 11-17 record? Are the independents THAT bad?

Actually, if they are that bad, then that would be why he still has a job...they are doing well for the level they're at.

Peregrine 03-17-2004 01:39 PM

Yeah, why 2017 and not 2019, his only .500 season?

Peregrine 03-17-2004 01:41 PM

Dola - Lol, I actually checked the G-W team and the coach's AD is currently delighted by his performance! Why can't I get these guys? Three straight seasons with 6 or fewer wins and they're crowing for more!

John Galt 03-17-2004 01:41 PM

I think the AD expectations vary wildly (which is IMO good). It sometimes makes it too hard when you take over a team, but that is often realistic.

rjolley 03-17-2004 01:42 PM

Maybe they're trying to get publicity by having the first winless and/or first 30 loss seasons.

Peregrine 03-17-2004 01:46 PM

The Independents are pretty horrible, actually. But most of them have coach turnover. IPFW's AD is currently delighted by their coach, who has a grand total of 10 wins in 4 seasons. I know that bad teams shouldn't have high expectations, but almost any schmoe off the street could coach better than these guys.

rjolley 03-17-2004 01:51 PM

I'm surprised they haven't canned him. Maybe since there's no conference title to compete for, the expectations of competing for a conference title doesn't come into play and the AD is satisfied otherwise.

corbes 03-17-2004 02:11 PM

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Phillip Medellin - Head Coach

Maybe the A.D. is afraid of Pablo Escobar?

Balldog 03-17-2004 02:14 PM

I know in one of my careers I took over at Purdue and the AD expected me to compete for the conference championship. Having checked the team's roster and comparing them to my La Tech roster I knew there was no way I could accomplish such a goal. Well two years later I was fired from Purdue and La Tech was 62-4 over those two seasons.

I think a lot of it has to do with your team's prestige compared to others in the conference.

Ben E Lou 03-17-2004 02:27 PM

Well, if his expectation was "avoid finishing last" most of the time, then it makes sense. I'll bet they didn't finish last among the Indies more than 5 or 6 times.

hukarez 03-17-2004 02:42 PM

Probably a bit late to ask this, but what exactly is 'AD' anyways?

FBCB term, I'm guessing? :confused:

Ben E Lou 03-17-2004 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hukarez
Probably a bit late to ask this, but what exactly is 'AD' anyways?

FBCB term, I'm guessing? :confused:

Athletic Director.

hukarez 03-17-2004 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog
Athletic Director.


Ah, thanks for the clarification! I was initially thinking AI, until I looked a bit closer. :)

Upstate J 03-17-2004 04:43 PM

Why do we have to pick on "G-Dubb"?? Maybe there should be a patch that updates the conferences and puts GWU in the Atlantic Sun. Hopefully, we can then use another school to pick (like Morris Brown).

Other than my obvious favortisim, I do agree whole-heartedly that the Independents bite, and have no chance of upward mobility.

Huckleberry 03-17-2004 04:50 PM

I'm getting the bug to purchase this game.

Is it possible when determining whether or not to accept a job at a school to check that school's hiring and firing history versus their season results? Because I agree with the above poster that stated that the wildly divergent AD expectations are a good thing, but only if I am able to know beforehand that I'm about to go to work for a hardass versus a softie.

RPI-Fan 03-17-2004 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Upstate J
Why do we have to pick on "G-Dubb"?? Maybe there should be a patch that updates the conferences and puts GWU in the Atlantic Sun. Hopefully, we can then use another school to pick (like Morris Brown).

Other than my obvious favortisim, I do agree whole-heartedly that the Independents bite, and have no chance of upward mobility.


I think you can changes conferences around with the editors in the tools menu. Not positive, though.

Ben E Lou 03-17-2004 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Upstate J
Other than my obvious favortisim, I do agree whole-heartedly that the Independents bite, and have no chance of upward mobility.

Well, I wouldn't say NO chance. ;)

Peregrine 03-17-2004 05:56 PM

Congrats Skydog, it only took you 36 years!

Huckleberry - You can check out the info on the team that wants to hire you and usually see what kind of expectations the AD has. Often though, it's a tricky issue. If you're a coach who's trying to move up to prestige teams, generally the ones that will hire you are ones who have already fired their coaches (and created openings) or had the rare coach retirement. Sometimes they seem to have a chip on their shoulder. I took over Syracuse in 2028 in my game, which had faded over the years into a second-tier Big East team. But the AD still wanted to compete for the conference championship. Given time to build up a program, I probably could have, but since my half of the conference was loaded with no less than 3 top 15 teams, it was unlikely I could ever finish better than fourth. I didn't but improved the win totals each year, won the NIT my final year, but still got fired after three seasons. I saw it coming a mile away.

You're better off in some cases taking over a talented mid-major type team and building them into dominance, I did that with Utah State in a previous game. Easy conference so I almost always won it, and I gradually got to the point where I won the NCAAs.


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