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kingfc22 09-30-2004 07:58 PM

The Presidential Debate
 
It's about to start in a couple of minutes.

Discuss.

Mac Howard 09-30-2004 08:01 PM

Through the miracles of modern technology I'm watching it here in Australia :)

JonInMiddleGA 09-30-2004 08:03 PM

Let's see here ... my son has to do his 15-minutes-of-reading homework in a few minutes & then I suspect I'll probably go to bed at the same time he does tonight, since we're off to WDW for vacation starting tomorrow afternoon & that's a pretty tiring week by the time we're done, I figure I better get some sleep while I can.

But we'll be reading Duck For President, so that oughta count for something.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:06 PM

what happened to the "not speaking, not on camera" rule? Bush was just on camera as Kerry was talking...

Peregrine 09-30-2004 08:07 PM

Chubby, the networks didn't agree to that rule.

mauchow 09-30-2004 08:08 PM

Of course the first thing he says is about September 11th. How many speeches has he not started off with something like that?

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peregrine
Chubby, the networks didn't agree to that rule.


Ahh, that's why.

Bush not answering the question. Exxxxxxxxxxcellent.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:10 PM

Did you know that 10 million citizens of Afganistan have registered to vote? Too bad it still has nothing to do with the "Will the election of Kerry lead to another terrorist attack" question.

mauchow 09-30-2004 08:10 PM

Kerry WILL kill the terrorists. LOL that sounded bad.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauboy1
Kerry WILL kill the terrorists. LOL that sounded bad.


Yeah, that wasn't good but I like him hammering on how we have put Osama and Afghanistan on the back burner for Iraq.

Ben E Lou 09-30-2004 08:14 PM

Kerry walked right into that one.

Peregrine 09-30-2004 08:14 PM

I think Kerry has already mentioned Osama Bin Laden more in this debate than he was mentioned in the whole Republican convention.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:15 PM

pre-september 10th?

Neuqua 09-30-2004 08:15 PM

It was pretty funny to see W. all of a sudden talk as fast as he can as soon as he saw the red light on.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:15 PM

we're facing a............a...................group of folks :D

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:16 PM

"of course we're after Saddam Hussein... uh Osama Bin Laden"

nice :D

Peregrine 09-30-2004 08:17 PM

well to be fair Kerry made the same mistake a few minutes before

Buccaneer 09-30-2004 08:18 PM

Can someone else provide the commentary? Chubby sucks.

Ben E Lou 09-30-2004 08:19 PM

ROFLMBAO!!!!! Kerry's slamming Bush for the troops not having enough body armor. Here we gooooo......

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:20 PM

Bush - Kerry is a flipflopper. We should only say hearts and flowers statements to our troops and allies we don't have.

GoldenEagle 09-30-2004 08:20 PM

So Kerry is saying we need more troops and more spending in Iraq?

Neuqua 09-30-2004 08:21 PM

Anyone know exactly what these two are writing down on their little notepads?

Ben E Lou 09-30-2004 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
So Kerry is saying we need more troops and more spending in Iraq?

Well, yeah.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
So Kerry is saying we need more troops and more spending in Iraq?


He's saying the money we have spent should have been spent more wisely I believe.

GoldenEagle 09-30-2004 08:21 PM

You are getting Chubby's liberal twist on everything.

GoldenEagle 09-30-2004 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby
He's saying the money we have spent should have been spent more wisely I believe.


I heard him say we did not have enough troops in Iraq.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
You are getting Chubby's liberal twist on everything.


Someone's got to off-set the vast conservative twist on this board :p

sabotai 09-30-2004 08:22 PM

So far I think Kerry is doing a good job of doing to Bush what Bush did to Dore during their debates. He keeps focusing on how we went after Saddam before we got Osama. And I give credit to Bush, because he used a word I didn't know the meaning to. :)

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle
I heard him say we did not have enough troops in Iraq.


he said there wasn't enough troops in afghanistan and too many in Iraq.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:23 PM

"Stay on the offense"????????? uuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhh. I think that right there is a reason why some people won't vote for him. Bad choice of words IMO.

cthomer5000 09-30-2004 08:23 PM

Kerry is clearly a better 'thinking on his feet' speaker. Bush has stumbled a few times.

Ben E Lou 09-30-2004 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby
he said there wasn't enough troops in afghanistan and too many in Iraq.

Are you sure about that? I'd have to see the transcripts to be 100% certain, but I sure thought he was talking about under-funded troops in Iraq.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cthomer5000
Kerry is clearly a better 'thinking on his feet' speaker. Bush has stumbled a few times.


That's accurate.

sabotai 09-30-2004 08:24 PM

Bush looks pissed off :)

JeffNights 09-30-2004 08:25 PM

I like the slam "he outsourced that job too"


So far, its Kerry up a by a touchdown.

lol

Neuqua 09-30-2004 08:25 PM

Bush seems to be getting a bit aggressive.

sabotai 09-30-2004 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog
Are you sure about that? I'd have to see the transcripts to be 100% certain, but I sure thought he was talking about under-funded troops in Iraq.


FWIW, I thought he was talking about Afghanistan.

Celeval 09-30-2004 08:25 PM

Lehrer: "...when will troops come home?"
Bush: "Let me... uh... let me... uh..." (Let me not answer this question)

timmynausea 09-30-2004 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby
"Stay on the offense"????????? uuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhh. I think that right there is a reason why some people won't vote for him. Bad choice of words IMO.

Yeah that seemed pretty horrible to me, too.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog
Are you sure about that? I'd have to see the transcripts to be 100% certain, but I sure thought he was talking about under-funded troops in Iraq.



How I took it is that he said troops were diverted to Iraq when they were needed in Afghanistan. The whole "body armor" thing was more about money not being spent wisely than needing more money (also about not being prepared) but I think it's very open to interpretation.

Ironhead 09-30-2004 08:27 PM

How many times has Bush mentioned that he has "good folks working hard" for us?

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:27 PM

Not taking political slants into account, I think Kerry had an advantage coming in, in that he is a better speaker on his feet as cthomer pointed out. It has nothing to do with what they speak about but in their delivery.

sabotai 09-30-2004 08:29 PM

I think both are trying too hard to land that one-liner that the news will repeatedly play.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:29 PM

Kerry gets a laugh about changing the rules while Bush goes on about Kerry talking negative about the war.

Peregrine 09-30-2004 08:30 PM

Yeah Sabotai both are using that rebuttal period to land those sound-bite jabs. We'll see how that works out.

Ben E Lou 09-30-2004 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai
I think both are trying too hard to land that one-liner that the news will repeatedly play.

Most definitely.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:32 PM

The one liner has proved very profitable in previous debates so you can't blame either for trying.

Ben E Lou 09-30-2004 08:32 PM

This is a battle of philosophies, ultimately.

Chubby 09-30-2004 08:33 PM

Point to Bush for the Blair comment but Poland???? lol

GoldenEagle 09-30-2004 08:33 PM

Everything is Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. That is all Kerry has on Bush. Bush is doing a pretty good job of turning it around on him.


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