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MrBug708 12-05-2004 03:20 PM

Will it be Cal or Texas?
 
I'm generally in favor of the BCS, but if Cal gets screwed out of the Rose Bowl in favor of Texas, I'm off of the BCS wagon.

Joe 12-05-2004 03:21 PM

guess you're off the BCS wagon then, its gonna happen

Chubby 12-05-2004 03:22 PM

utah

MrBug708 12-05-2004 03:23 PM

I think when the Rose Bowl's BCS contract is up, I think they'll opt out of it, unless they can always get a PAC-10/Big-11 matchup every year, regardless of record.

Cuckoo 12-05-2004 03:23 PM

Yep, I think it's going to be Texas. And although I think both are very good football teams, I think Cal probably should be in the Rose Bowl against Michigan. But I'm a bit of a purist, and I like that Pac-10/Big 10 match-up.

SunDancer 12-05-2004 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708
I think when the Rose Bowl's BCS contract is up, I think they'll opt out of it, unless they can always get a PAC-10/Big-11 matchup every year, regardless of record.


Yes, but if the Rose Bowl opts out, won't they have to convince the Pac-10/Big Ten to come with them?

Noop 12-05-2004 03:27 PM

Seriously who cares... Cal or Texas I belive would win... no offense to Michigan fans but you guys fell backward into the title.

digamma 12-05-2004 03:28 PM

It will be Texas. They only needed to pick up like 7 points in the polls and they picked up about 43 in the coaches and about 30 in the AP.

I think Texas/Cal is a close call. I don't think Cal got screwed here.

MrBug708 12-05-2004 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDancer
Yes, but if the Rose Bowl opts out, won't they have to convince the Pac-10/Big Ten to come with them?


I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount

MrBug708 12-05-2004 03:34 PM

Dola

It just wouldn't have NC implications is all

DeToxRox 12-05-2004 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708
I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount


But then it garuntees you can't win a National Championship. I don't think that'd fly.

MrBug708 12-05-2004 03:43 PM

But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska

digamma 12-05-2004 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708
But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska


It makes a difference to the teams in the conferences.

fflix 12-05-2004 03:50 PM

cal alum here, if the voters were going to keep giving votes to texas when they don't play, I'd wish they would have just had texas #4 to begin with and have cal at #8, instead of giving us fans false hope.

DeToxRox 12-05-2004 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708
But if the Rose Bowl has no title hopes except every 4 years, what is the big difference? ASU vs Wisconsin wouldn't be a bad game either. Not the best of the best, but it surely keeps the historical aspects alive as opposed to dull games like OU-WSU and Miami-Nebraska


Er my fault for not clarifying. I meant that the conferences wouldn't have NC chances.

MrBug708 12-05-2004 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma
It makes a difference to the teams in the conferences.


True, but not in the historical sense. I think the Rose Bowl takes pride in being known as the Granddaddy of them all and would much rather keep to tradition then have a Texas-Michigan matchup

G-Man 12-05-2004 04:02 PM

Pittsburgh should be OUT!!
 
Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about! :confused: :mad:

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man
Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about! :confused: :mad:


wah wah wah, but anything that furthers the demise of the BcS is ok with me

DeToxRox 12-05-2004 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Man
Cal would dismantle Pitt. Cal only has one loss and that to number one USC. Pitt has three losses to three unranked teams! Cal is ranked either 4th or 5 th while Pitt is ranked 19th! How does it make any logical sense that Pitt makes it to a BCS Bowl while Cal plays in a second tier bowl!

I say screw the legal ramifications and law suits! Kick Pitt to the lesser bowl and put Cal in the Fiesta Bowl and watch them drub Utah!

BTW why does Pitt get to play in the Fiesta? Do you think that the BCS coudl opt out for Cal instead and make 3 at large bids because Pitt has three losses and is 14 spots below Cal, who is in the top five? Nah that would probably make to much sense and this is the BCS we are talking about! :confused: :mad:


Let Cal go to the Rose to play Michigan.

Let Texas drum Utah in the Fiesta.

DeToxRox 12-05-2004 04:04 PM

tho i still would love to see michigan vs ut

GrantDawg 12-05-2004 04:05 PM

I say let the Rose Bowl have their conference affliation and create a playoff to determine a champion. Everyone is happy.

kcchief19 12-05-2004 04:12 PM

Michigan-Pittsburgh, Texas-Utah. I love it.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER 12-05-2004 04:12 PM

They could always add The Gator Bowl to the BCS.

QuikSand 12-05-2004 04:19 PM

Pitt.

Wow.

DeToxRox 12-05-2004 04:19 PM

lol

I seriously think two of the four games will be routes now.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER 12-05-2004 04:20 PM

Now, which bowl would replace The Rose Bowl iwhen it leaves the bcs.

MrBug708 12-05-2004 04:23 PM

Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708
Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl


if i'm choosing between just those two then it's easily the cotton bowl as it has more history.

dawgfan 12-05-2004 04:24 PM

Revert back to the old bowl system and traditional affiliations with conferences. If we really are still chomping at the bit for some kind of official "champion", create a college Super Bowl and pick the 2 best teams after the end of the bowls to play for a "championship". Wouldn't be any more controversial than the current BCS system, it would keep the bowls and all the cool things they provide for the participating schools, players and alums, and it would avoid this bastardized current system where the bowls frequently lose their traditional matchups.

The current system is a hodge-podged mess, and I liked it better before the whole thing was concocted.

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:26 PM

and the BCS screws Utah by pitting them against shitty Pitt

SunDancer 12-05-2004 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708
I'm sure that they won't mind, provided the cash is a good amount


That's the key word-cash. I think that Rose Bowl wants to keep tradition, but the two conferences are becoming more about money. I'm not sure the money the Rose Bowl would outbeat the BCS contract and bids.

DeToxRox 12-05-2004 04:29 PM

the BCS can't even get their site/show to match

CHEMICAL SOLDIER 12-05-2004 04:30 PM

Pitt v. Cal show down would really be an egg on the face of CAL.

Solecismic 12-05-2004 04:31 PM

Both Cal and Texas deserve to be in this BCS thing. Pitt? No. Not even close. It's too bad for the mid-majors, who have a lot of hopes pinned on the success of what's been an exceptional season from Utah. Because beating Pitt won't prove anything. And perhaps losing to Pitt would. There's nothing to gain here.

SunDancer 12-05-2004 04:32 PM

I would love to Auburn play Utah, Virgina Tech play Pittsburgh, and Cal-Michigan.

Sharpieman 12-05-2004 04:33 PM

absolute bullshit the Rose Bowl belongs to the Pac-10 and Big Ten. Texas Tech vs. Cal? You've got to be kidding me. Pitt vs. Utah? Pittsburgh does not deserve that bowl game. Pittsburgh only beat 1 team in the top 25 all year! They lost to UCONN and Nebraska too! The BCS and Bowl game setup is completely out of wack. I hate Cal - I'm a Stanford fan, but they deserve to go to a better bowl than the Pacific Life bowl against Texas Tech.

Someone please explain to me how the #5 team in the BCS gets snubbed out of Fiesta AND the Rose. I can kinda understand Texas getting the Rose over Cal, but Pittsburgh?????? You've got to be fucking kidding me. This is a complete disgrace. The system is broken.

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:34 PM

texas boooooo

Sharpieman 12-05-2004 04:35 PM

I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman
I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?


umm, they have to. not very complicated.

cthomer5000 12-05-2004 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic
beating Pitt won't prove anything. And perhaps losing to Pitt would. There's nothing to gain here.


I completely agree. I wish an Auburn-Utah matchup had been possible.

MrBug708 12-05-2004 04:37 PM

Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in

SunDancer 12-05-2004 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpieman
I don't even understand the their logic behind putting Pitt in there. Whats up with that?


They got the automatic bid for the Big East.

jbmagic 12-05-2004 04:37 PM

texas in , cal is out

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708
Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in


you'd be wrong

SunDancer 12-05-2004 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708
Automatic tie in. It has everything to do with VT and Miami for leaving the ACC. I think this is the last year of their automatic tie in



But does the Big East have a contract with the BCS for the automatic bid? If so, I'm not sure how you go about it, without getting lawsuits by the conference, unless you eliminate all automatic bids.

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDancer
But does the Big East have a contract with the BCS for the automatic bid?


yup and it was extended before this season.

Sharpieman 12-05-2004 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDancer
They got the automatic bid for the Big East.

Pitt didn't even win their conference. Automatic bid is absolutely ridiculous.

Chubby 12-05-2004 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman
Pitt didn't even win their conference. Automatic bid is absolutely ridiculous.


how did they not win the conference?

cthomer5000 12-05-2004 04:41 PM

Yes Pitt did win their conference.

Sharpieman 12-05-2004 04:41 PM

Oh man, I know its a contract obligation but its still just wrong. Cal deserved better, plus they're a lot of fun to watch.


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