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albionmoonlight 12-17-2004 04:55 PM

Bush proposing budget cuts
 
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Finally. But isn't this just empty because he is not proposing to subject defense or national security spending to the cuts/freeze? If you are going to do this (and there are pros and cons to doing it and not doing it), you at least need to make it apply to all of your pork projects, too--not just the programs that you don't like.

Dutch 12-17-2004 05:40 PM

Didn't we learn last week that you can never spend enough of defense?

Glengoyne 12-17-2004 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch
Didn't we learn last week that you can never spend enough of defense?


If it saves just one solider's life, it is worth it.

SirFozzie 12-17-2004 05:48 PM

Good for Bush. This is the kinda stuff a second-term Prez can do, because he no longer has to buy votes.

Maybe we should look into a one and done philosophy for Presidents. Give em four years, then get the next guy in.. that way the first four years of an eight year run aren't spent buying the next four years in office (and yes, Clinton did this too)

Desnudo 12-17-2004 05:49 PM

If they'd start cutting some unnecessary agencies, the government would start saving some real money.

Warhammer 12-17-2004 05:53 PM

DAMN! Bad news for me if he starts cutting Army Corps of Engineer water projects...

Better brush off the resume. :(

GrantDawg 12-18-2004 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch
Didn't we learn last week that you can never spend enough of defense?

That's right. We need to spend another 158 billion dollars on missile defense so we can make more rockets that won't even fire. :rolleyes: (but I'm sure your talking about that 4 billion to save those unimportant whiney faggot National Guardsmen.)

Buccaneer 12-18-2004 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie
Good for Bush. This is the kinda stuff a second-term Prez can do, because he no longer has to buy votes.

Maybe we should look into a one and done philosophy for Presidents. Give em four years, then get the next guy in.. that way the first four years of an eight year run aren't spent buying the next four years in office (and yes, Clinton did this too)


Unfortunately it's Congress that is in the business of perpetually buying votes and will take any such budget cuts and render them meaningless.

SirFozzie 12-18-2004 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer
Unfortunately it's Congress that is in the business of perpetually buying votes and will take any such budget cuts and render them meaningless.


Sounds like then term limits for Congress should also be looked at.

3 terms (6 years) for the House and 2 Terms (12 years) for the Senate?

or would you make it even, 12 and 12?

Leonidas 12-18-2004 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Finally. But isn't this just empty because he is not proposing to subject defense or national security spending to the cuts/freeze? If you are going to do this (and there are pros and cons to doing it and not doing it), you at least need to make it apply to all of your pork projects, too--not just the programs that you don't like.


Fighting war on terror = pork project

Who knew?
I suppose armored HumVe's is a pork project worthy of cutting as well. Not to mention the fact a good chunck of our theater airlift fleet being used to offset dangerous convoys have no been grounded due to aging restriction. We don't need no stinking C-130J models, let the troops drive in their unarmored cars to keep supply lines open. After all, it's all pork.

GrantDawg 12-18-2004 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonidas
Fighting war on terror = pork project

Who knew?
I suppose armored HumVe's is a pork project worthy of cutting as well. Not to mention the fact a good chunck of our theater airlift fleet being used to offset dangerous convoys have no been grounded due to aging restriction. We don't need no stinking C-130J models, let the troops drive in their unarmored cars to keep supply lines open. After all, it's all pork.


You seriously think there is no pork in the Defense budget? I'm not really for cuts there, but I am for restructuring how the money is spent.

albionmoonlight 12-18-2004 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonidas
Fighting war on terror = pork project

Who knew?
I suppose armored HumVe's is a pork project worthy of cutting as well. Not to mention the fact a good chunck of our theater airlift fleet being used to offset dangerous convoys have no been grounded due to aging restriction. We don't need no stinking C-130J models, let the troops drive in their unarmored cars to keep supply lines open. After all, it's all pork.


My point wasn't that we should cut defense spending--or even not raise it. But if you do spend more money on defense, then spend less on other programs. To do otherwise but then claim that you are putting a cap on government spending is just wrong.

However, from the tenor of your post, I think that you believe that all spending in the name of defense is per se non wasteful. If you cannot see that there is the potential for some wasteful spending in our defense budget, then you and I see the world so differently that it would be pointless for us to discuss this any further.

And I am sorry if I misstated your point.

duckman 12-18-2004 10:20 PM

I saw many occassions of wasteful defense spending so that the budget would be raised the following budget.


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