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CraigSca 06-01-2005 10:59 AM
Ironic Bombings (for lack of a better title)?
 
Anyone else see the irony in the whole "non-believer touching a Quran = desecration" while the radicals in Iraq/Afghanistan have taken to blowing up muslim mosques?

I know this is a loaded question, but where are the huge public displays of outrage, where are the protests?

Arles 06-01-2005 12:03 PM
Heck, Muslims have been blowing up "the Koran" for decades in terrorist acts. Most recently we have the strikes in Iraq, Afghanistan and even 9-11 (there were numerous Koran copies in the twin towers at the time of the attack). I guess it's OK when a Muslim or non-Muslim terrorist does it. But if anyone (even a Muslim) does it while defending against terrorists, then it is bad.

Flasch186 06-01-2005 12:11 PM
people do ironic things, maybe hypocritcal things all of the time. It depends on who is calling the shots. Bin Laden has Al Qaeda in Iraq kill innnocents all the time even though the Quran says not to. Bush passed a law in Texas giving Doctors, not families the decision to pull the plug on patients.

The terrorists do crazy shit all the time and they deserve to be killed, period. Its not a political thing Arles. Remember, we're the one's who have declared that "we're the good guys and they're evil." so lets act like the good guys and have them act evil, lest people become confused as to whom is whom.

Klinglerware 06-01-2005 01:32 PM
Who says muslims cared about the Koran "desecration" at all? The "riots" were just as made up as the Newsweek allegations...

MrBigglesworth 06-01-2005 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Klinglerware
The "riots" were just as made up as the Newsweek allegations...
The only false thing about the Newsweek allegations, as it turns out, is that they said the details were coming out in a report. Their mistake was that they believed the government would take responsibility. Damn liberal media.

Klinglerware 06-01-2005 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth
The only false thing about the Newsweek allegations, as it turns out, is that they said the details were coming out in a report. Their mistake was that they believed the government would take responsibility. Damn liberal media.

Could be. My main point though is that there is scant evidence that muslims were actually outraged by the desecration stories--the story was barely covered in the Middle East. Also, nobody could confirm that anybody actually died in any of the alleged riots...

MrBigglesworth 06-01-2005 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Flasch186
Bin Laden has Al Qaeda in Iraq kill innnocents all the time even though the Quran says not to.
There is a lot of doublethink going around for conservatives these days (I'm not accusing you specifically Flasch, just a general observation). Depending on the circumstances of the discussion, they will argue that Bin Laden is masterminding Al-Q attacks in Iraq (hence why we need to invade and win in Iraq), or that Bin Laden is marginalized and has no influence outside his cave, wherever that is (therefore the GWOT is working brilliantly). Dick Cheney recently said on Larry King Live, in response to a question about what to do with Gitmo, said, "In a sense, when you're at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with." Naturally, these are the same prisoners that are not prisoners of war, and hence not part of the Geneva Convention.
Quote:
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."

MrBigglesworth 06-01-2005 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Klinglerware
Could be. My main point though is that there is scant evidence that muslims were actually outraged by the desecration stories--the story was barely covered in the Middle East. Also, nobody could confirm that anybody actually died in any of the alleged riots...
Yes, your point definitely still stands and it is a good one, I just didn't want to let that misinformation stay out there in the discourse.

KWhit 06-01-2005 01:53 PM
Quote:
"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."

I love that book.


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