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Rockstar 01-04-2006 09:49 PM

KC trying to hire Edwards as coach. Question.
 
Did they interview at least ONE non minority candidate?

RPI-Fan 01-04-2006 09:56 PM

Isn't Edwards a minority??

ISiddiqui 01-04-2006 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan
Isn't Edwards a minority??

He said NON minority.

Fonzie 01-04-2006 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan
Isn't Edwards a minority??

I believe he asked about non-minority candidates.

I don't believe there is a requirement about such a thing.

RPI-Fan 01-04-2006 10:02 PM

Doh!

Well, does the subject line remind anyone of "Dwight" from The Office?

Pumpy Tudors 01-04-2006 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie
I don't believe there is a requirement about such a thing.


Hook, line, and sinker.

Daimyo 01-04-2006 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar
Did they interview at least ONE non minority candidate?

Didn't they interview their OC? What is the point of the question anyway?

Fonzie 01-04-2006 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo
What is the point of the question anyway?

I'm pretty sure we can all see it coming.

Rockstar 01-04-2006 10:19 PM

The point is that Jerry Glanville didnt get an interview.

Eaglesfan27 01-04-2006 10:21 PM

Don't forget Rich Kotite. The man is a quality coach.

kcchief19 01-04-2006 10:22 PM

The NFL: Keeping the White Man in a Cowboy Hat Down

sterlingice 01-04-2006 10:23 PM

Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed ;)

SI

Draft Dodger 01-04-2006 10:25 PM

I know it's beside the point, but technically, they haven't interviewed a minority candidate yet either: they can't interview Edwards until compensation is agreed upon.

Fonzie 01-04-2006 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed ;)

SI

Thank heavens. Them whiteys need all the help they can get.

kcchief19 01-04-2006 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
I know it's beside the point, but technically, they haven't interviewed a minority candidate yet either: they can't interview Edwards until compensation is agreed upon.

I don't think the topic starter wants anyone bringing facts into this discussion.

Scarecrow 01-04-2006 10:29 PM

The Chiefs also interviewed Butch Davis (FWIW)

Scarecrow 01-04-2006 10:47 PM

DOLA...

It looks like the Chiefs won't be giving up that much!

According to Newsday...

Quote:

There were strong signals that the compensation package for Edwards could consist of fourth- and fifth-round picks, although the Chiefs were said to be pushing for fifth- and sixth-rounders. But there also were indications Wednesday night that several options, including a contract extension for Edwards, remained on the table.

Rockstar 01-04-2006 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchief19
I don't think the topic starter wants anyone bringing facts into this discussion.



The topic starter welcomes all opinions. The kcchief19 has his/hers and I have mine.

Draft Dodger 01-04-2006 10:57 PM

I'm of the opinion that Matthew McConnaughy is smokin hot

Rockstar 01-04-2006 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger
I'm of the opinion that Matthew McConnaughy is smokin hot



Now THATS funny. :D

Butter 01-05-2006 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan
Doh!

Well, does the subject line remind anyone of "Dwight" from The Office?


:D

Samdari 01-05-2006 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice
Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed ;)

SI


I don't think its a token interview. Given the high number of openings, and paucity of candidates, Saunders is almost assured to get an NFL job. I think he is still more likely to be KC coach than Edwards, and is certainly their top candidate if Edwards remains in NY.

Daimyo 01-05-2006 10:25 AM

I would be interested in reading the argument for why teams should be required to interview a white candidate.

rkmsuf 01-05-2006 10:59 AM

The better question is why another NFL team would want Herm as coach.

kcchief19 01-05-2006 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar
The topic starter welcomes all opinions. The kcchief19 has his/hers and I have mine.

There are opinions and there are facts. You find me ONE NFL head coach vacancy EVER where the only candidate(s) interviewed was/were miniority, and I'll stop defending the NFL's policy.

If we ever get to a point where that happens routinely, then you won't need the policy. That's the goal.

General Mike 01-05-2006 12:36 PM

Giving up a 4th and 5th rounder is too much compensation for Herm. Just because he is a nice guy doesn't mean he is a good coach.

Rockstar 01-05-2006 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchief19
There are opinions and there are facts. You find me ONE NFL head coach vacancy EVER where the only candidate(s) interviewed was/were miniority, and I'll stop defending the NFL's policy.

If we ever get to a point where that happens routinely, then you won't need the policy. That's the goal.


The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.

GrantDawg 01-05-2006 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar
The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.



What policy says they are only allowed to interview minority candidates?

Rockstar 01-05-2006 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg
What policy says they are only allowed to interview minority candidates?


The other poster wanted to know when there was ever an opening where there was ONLY minority candidates interviewed for the job. My only point is that interiews where race is even a factor is ridiculous. Nonetheless, I believe that team owners should be allowed to hire who ever they want to.

GrantDawg 01-05-2006 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar
The other poster wanted to know when there was ever an opening where there was ONLY minority candidates interviewed for the job. My only point is that interiews where race is even a factor is ridiculous. Nonetheless, I believe that team owners should be allowed to hire who ever they want to.


They are. What policy doesn't allow them to hire whom they want?

Galaxy 01-05-2006 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg
They are. What policy doesn't allow them to hire whom they want?


What he said.....Just because they have to interview a minority, doesn't mean they have to hire them.

st.cronin 01-05-2006 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf
The better question is why another NFL team would want Herm as coach.


ding ding ding winnah

sterlingice 01-05-2006 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin
ding ding ding winnah

Isn't Edwards widely regarded as the worst clock manager in the NFL or am I thinking of someone else?

SI

wade moore 01-06-2006 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar
The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.


You, sir, have an inaccurate perspective on race relations in this country.

Scarecrow 01-06-2006 10:39 AM

DONE DEAL!!!!!!

Only cost KC a 4th round pick

Raiders Army 01-06-2006 11:01 AM

Every time I see this thread, I read it as KFC trying to hire Edwards as coach.

rkmsuf 01-06-2006 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarecrow
DONE DEAL!!!!!!

Only cost KC a 4th round pick


Jets make out there.

Herm is a cheap imitation of Vermeil without the game managing skills or crying.

GrantDawg 01-06-2006 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf
Jets make out there.

Herm is a cheap imitation of Vermeil without the game managing skills or crying.



Maybe, but a fourth isn't a huge compensation.

rkmsuf 01-06-2006 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg
Maybe, but a fourth isn't a huge compensation.



Not at all but decent to get anything for a guy you didn't want coaching the team anyway.

gottimd 01-06-2006 11:42 AM

ninnys.

rkmsuf 01-06-2006 11:58 AM

post reported

gottimd 01-06-2006 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf
post reported


I reported a post once, when I went to prom.

ninny.

General Mike 01-06-2006 12:20 PM

I would have given KC a 4th rounder to take Herm Edwards. Couldn't have been any worse than any of Bradway's other trades.

The Jets won't hire a big time coach tho. They are too cheap.

Cotton 01-06-2006 12:31 PM

Pats fans are more upset about this than Jets fans, trust me.
Herm fails upward again.

miked 01-06-2006 01:09 PM

What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented.

:shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.

sterlingice 01-06-2006 01:14 PM

I'm not sure throwing around stats like 60% of the time in the playoffs. Neifi Perez started last year at .600, I think, but I'm not sure that merits saying he's a .600 hitter. Probably best to say 3 out of 5 years. Never mind 60%+ which makes it sound like he does it even more ;) That said, I'm curious to see Jets fans opinions on Herm Edwards, too.

SI

rkmsuf 01-06-2006 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked
What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented.

:shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.


because he's a lousy coach. listen to the guy. nothing more than a cheerleader out there shaking everyone's hand and hugging them.

I'll buy that he is a motivator of sorts but that stuff is crap in the pros. Cowher is the only one I've seen of that ilk last. he's the exception.

Ryche 01-06-2006 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Mike
I would have given KC a 4th rounder to take Herm Edwards. Couldn't have been any worse than any of Bradway's other trades.

The Jets won't hire a big time coach tho. They are too cheap.


Well, they could hire Mike Tice. He's from Long Island and will work cheap :D

Daimyo 01-06-2006 01:59 PM

Didn't he get the Jets to the playoffs three out of his four seasons there? Seems pretty good to me considering they shared a division with the Pats and it was the Jets.

miked 01-06-2006 02:04 PM

Yeah, he made the playoffs with a team that probably really wasn't as good as some that missed it. He always seemed to get more out of guys than one would think. I'm not all that keen on his gameplanning, or whatever you want to call it, but he had pretty decent success without an All-Pro cast.


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