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JS19 04-11-2006 09:33 PM

Can't Misses....That Miss
 
Referring to prospects in baseball that all the "experts" claim is a can't miss, a guranteed star. For whatever reason today as I was watching the Met game, Alex Escobar came to my mind. I remember a few years ago this guy was considered a stud in the Mets farm system, a surefire All-Star. Sure it could have been the NY hype, but he was considered by many to be one of the best. I remember that the Mets wouldn't trade this guy he was untouchable. If I remember correctly that it was during their 99-2000 playoff runs that they could have gotten top notch talent in return for him but they wouldn't do it. Made me wonder about the what ifs had they gotten the talent they could have, would they have made the Series in '99 or beat the Yanks in 2000. Anyone else remember any type of situation when their team wouldn't let go of a can't miss kind of guy that for whatever reasons just missed??

st.cronin 04-11-2006 09:36 PM

Phil Plantier

NoMyths 04-11-2006 09:37 PM

Todd Van Poppel.

Still have that Gold Leaf Rookie Card, too. Bastard.

Mustang 04-11-2006 09:44 PM

Joe Charboneau

stevew 04-11-2006 09:44 PM

Ben McDonald

miami_fan 04-11-2006 09:46 PM

Who was that HS pitcher the Yankees drafted and gave the huge signing bonus?

cartman 04-11-2006 09:46 PM

Ruben Mateo

vex 04-11-2006 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan
Who was that HS pitcher the Yankees drafted and gave the huge signing bonus?


Which one?

vex 04-11-2006 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman
Ruben Mateo


Sadly:(

Maple Leafs 04-11-2006 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan
Who was that HS pitcher the Yankees drafted and gave the huge signing bonus?

Brien Taylor?

hoopsguy 04-11-2006 09:51 PM

Corey Patterson is the latest one from the Cubs franchise.

Rick Ankiel from the Cards is another recent one.

GrantDawg 04-11-2006 09:51 PM

Brad Komminsk.

miami_fan 04-11-2006 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs
Brien Taylor?


That is him.

CraigSca 04-11-2006 09:57 PM

Those Mets - Pulsipher...good Lord, can't remember the rest. But they had 4 guys one year who were all supposed to be the next 20 game winners.

MrBug708 04-11-2006 10:09 PM

Karim Garcia was a cant miss kid. Edwin Jackson looks to be in that boat

samifan24 04-11-2006 10:25 PM

These two battled addictions and are likely candidates for this thread:

Josh Hamilton
Jeff Allison (on again, off again- will he pan out?)

MikeVic 04-11-2006 10:32 PM

Does Marty Janzen qualify?

JeeberD 04-11-2006 10:33 PM

Phil "Suck Puppy" Nevin, but maybe I'm biased because he sucked balls for the Astros, who selected him first overall.

Pumpy Tudors 04-11-2006 10:35 PM

Felix Jose... or am I thinking of Junior Felix... or Junior Noboa?

No, no, I'm just kidding, really.

st.cronin 04-11-2006 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors
Felix Jose... or am I thinking of Junior Felix... or Junior Noboa?

No, no, I'm just kidding, really.


For some reason that sequence makes me think of MATT STAIRS.

JS19 04-11-2006 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigSca
Those Mets - Pulsipher...good Lord, can't remember the rest. But they had 4 guys one year who were all supposed to be the next 20 game winners.


Pulsipher, Izzy and Paul Wilson aka Generation K. Yeah Right. Well Izzy has done well for himself and Wilson I guess has too but has never lived up to the hype, Pulsipher on the otherhand is a different story.

The thing that really got me going on this whole thing was not so much the fact that he was a bust, thats always gonna happen, but the fact that they could have gotten something for him during their playoff years but never pulled the trigger. Ended up being the wrong move when you look back on it.

Clark 04-11-2006 10:53 PM

Brewers...Billy Jo Robidoux

sterlingice 04-11-2006 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigSca
Those Mets - Pulsipher...good Lord, can't remember the rest. But they had 4 guys one year who were all supposed to be the next 20 game winners.


Wasn't Izzy one of those?

SI

ISiddiqui 04-11-2006 11:36 PM

Regarding the young pitchers the Mets had, they all got hurt! That's what did them in. Wilson used to throw as hard as anyone out there... people told stories about his velocity, but he hurt his arm and never had that speed on his fastball again. Izzy got hurt as well, and ended up going to the bullpen in Oakland, which revived his career. Pulse also, IIRC, got hurt.

I think if they came up today, they'd fare much better, as the early-mid 90s, you still had managers in the minors and majors who thought they could work a pitcher's arm until it fell off and it was good for them!

Abe Sargent 04-11-2006 11:38 PM

The Titanic

-Anxiety

Solecismic 04-11-2006 11:49 PM

Any Mariners pitching prospect not named King Felix.

ISiddiqui 04-11-2006 11:56 PM

Well we know about Felix yet... after all, arm injuries have done in plenty of other uber-prospects.

Crapshoot 04-12-2006 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigSca
Those Mets - Pulsipher...good Lord, can't remember the rest. But they had 4 guys one year who were all supposed to be the next 20 game winners.


Thank Dallas the "arm shredder" Green for that one. This is the dumbass that ran Scott Rolen out of Philly as well.

JS19 04-12-2006 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic
Any Mariners pitching prospect not named King Felix.


Who was supposed to be the next Randy Johnson? Was it Anderson something??

MikeVic 04-12-2006 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS19
Who was supposed to be the next Randy Johnson? Was it Anderson something??


Ryan Anderson?

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:13 AM

Empire Maker

SackAttack 04-12-2006 12:15 AM

Adrian Beltre.

Dude's getting paid 10 figures on the basis of playing out of his mind for one six month period.

I don't know if I'd call him a "miss," but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in Seattle since that 2004 season.

chinaski 04-12-2006 12:16 AM

Ryan Anderson. Pretty much lived up to the hype, but injuries ended his chances.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS19
Who was supposed to be the next Randy Johnson? Was it Anderson something??


JS19 04-12-2006 12:19 AM

Ryan Anderson, thats the one. Whatever happened to him, he can't be that old to have no potential at all left, can he?

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:22 AM

Bill Buckner and that ground ball...

JS19 04-12-2006 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble
Bill Buckner and that ground ball...


HAHA, very clever. Although I was only 2 at the time, that groundball was the greatest thing that ever happened.

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:26 AM

Scott Norwood

(what do they call it when you take perverse pleasure in the misery of others? I think maybe I'll just start another thread with that as the title...)

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:26 AM

Tony Mandarich

sovereignstar 04-12-2006 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui
I think if they came up today, they'd fare much better, as the early-mid 90s, you still had managers in the minors and majors who thought they could work a pitcher's arm until it fell off and it was good for them!


Don't a lot of people believe that more pitchers get injured nowadays because they are pitching too little? I know that Nolan Ryan does.

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:26 AM

Brian Bosworth

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:27 AM

FBPro 99

sovereignstar 04-12-2006 12:28 AM

Franklinnoble

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:29 AM

It was only a matter of time...

Franklinnoble 04-12-2006 12:31 AM

Tyson v. Douglas

Fonzie 04-12-2006 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble
Scott Norwood

(what do they call it when you take perverse pleasure in the misery of others? I think maybe I'll just start another thread with that as the title...)



Schadenfreude

Lathum 04-12-2006 12:40 AM

Mark Prior

stevew 04-12-2006 02:34 AM

Pat Combs

Izulde 04-12-2006 05:17 AM

Eric Lindros. :D

Blade6119 04-12-2006 05:24 AM

Neon_Chaos' penis the first time he tried to use it ;)

IwasHere 04-12-2006 07:13 AM

Yankees Nick Johnson.

I think the Yankess claimed Johnson would be the next Babe Ruth after batting over .500 in the minors.


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