POL: Why Do You Hate Conservatives, Ann Coulter?
 

So Ann Coulter's getting a ton of deserved criticism for what she said in her new book. Talking about the "Witches of East Brunswick" (9/11 Familes for Peace), she writes that these ladies are enjoying their fame more than the enjoyed their husbands.


I guess every political movement needs its equivalent to Michael Moore or Ted Rall, but damn it woman, recognize that you went way over the line and you need to apologize.

Plus she looks like a kneecap with hair :)

Seriously - she and Michael Moore are more alike than they'll ever want to admit.

I am pretty sure I remember reading on this board about a 9/11 widow going through hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars by throwing parties, taking crazy vacations, etc. I'm sure that this specific case that was being reported is not the only instance. I'm not a huge fan of Ann Coulter but I'd reserve judgement until I read for myself in which context this comment is used. If it is said to make a point about a specific woman/women who did this kind of spending - then I would say it's justified.

And red and blue are much more alike than the media and politicians ever want to admit.

She's talking specifically about four widows who've been very politically active on the far left since 9/11. I think they've got some incredibly wacked out ideas, and I think their politics are dead wrong, but saying that someone is "enjoying" the death of their spouse... no, I can't go there. Even the woman who was throwing wild parties, etc. would rather have her husband back, I'd bet.

It just all boils down to the word "enjoy". She might have had a legit point about the cult of the victim, but she just completely obliterated it by using that particular word to describe what these women are feeling.

Exactly. By using the word "enjoy", it instantly makes the statement offensive, and paints these widows as monsters.

I can't really rack her for the comment, I've had the same impression of some of the people I've seen in various stories post 9/11 and expressed pretty much the same sentiment, albeit with different words. Once again, Ann says what I'm already thinking & says it better than I could have.

Yep. I get what she's trying to say, or at least how she explained it later, that these women were using a personal tragedy to advance a political cause. I think she would have been better served by saying that they were "taking advantage" of their husbands' deaths, or something along those lines. Because that's what they are doing, in my mind - playing on people's sympathies over their personal 9/11 tragedy to influence people against Bush. Similar to Christopher Reeve's "I'm paralyzed, vote Democrat" speech at the DNC in 96, I think it was.

Take advantage works much better in my opinion, although maybe it doesn't sell as many books.

Hmm, I guess just because you have had a personal tragedy, you are not allowed to speak your thoughts on a subject related to that tragedy, and instead are labelled as an advantage taker and revelling in a family member's death? That's just fu#$ed up.

Why not just address the substance of the views expressed by the widows rather than attack them. Par for the course however for that woman.

Here's an article on it. She says a LOT more than just the one line Cam quoted.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-358034c.html

Here's a highlight:

In "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," the uncompromisingly right-wing Coulter writes the Jersey Girls have no right to criticize President Bush or any of the failures that led to the terror attacks.

"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis," Coulter writes.

"And by the way, how do we know their husbands weren't planning to divorce these harpies? Now that their shelf life is dwindling, they'd better hurry up and appear in Playboy. . .

"These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them."

I'll agree that she could have picked a better word, but I have had the same thought about some of the widows or victims families. I've had the same thought about other people too...what I call "professional mourners". For people who live normal lives and who are related to people who die normal deaths, you mourn and then life goes on...you never forget that person but your entire life doesn't revolve around them. There are some people from 9/11 and other tragedies (Ron Goldman's father comes to mind) who never seem to move on and make a "career" of mourning their loved one in the public eye. I'm not saying they are bad people or that the way they are handling their grief is wrong, just that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Sorry, but Ron Goldman is a terrible example. If someone killed your child and then got off scot-free, and then publicly mocked you in the years following, how would you react?

i've felt the same way - particularly with these retarded Families of 9/11 Victims type organizations - however i wouldn't go as far as say these 4 women enjoy the deaths of their husbands (and thus the attention they've garnered). her comments are pure Hell Atlanticish. it's ok for me to say the things i say cuz i'm not selling any books. i'm not in the public eye. but her comments reak of someone going for the Howard Stern intentional controversy.

but these organizations have an awful habit of putting their 2 cents in every friggin issue, and have helped contribute to the delay in rebuilding downtown NYC. don't even get me started on this nonsense.

Actually I thought Goldman was a pretty good example. I'd rather have O.J. as a month long house guest than spend 10 minutes with any of the glory hound relatives of Brown or Simpson.

But hey, I'm that rarest of rare birds: a white guy who doesn't think O.J. killed either one of them. (I think he knows exactly who did, but I've never believed it was him).

I would deal with it in a private manner, not go in front of any and every news/media camera I could find. Shit happens...I'm not saying it would be easy, but his loss isn't any more or less painful that the 9/11 victims families loss, and the vast majority of them have moved on with their lives.

But I'm certain that she had no problem at all with the 9/11 victims that attended and spoke out at the Republican convention two years ago, and appeared in Bush campaign ads. They weren't using their loss to advance a political cause either? Oh wait, that's right, they are on her side, so it's A-OK for them to do it, so they get a free pass. If Michael Moore or Al Franken had said from the left what she is now saying, people would be calling for their heads on a spike.

I think the people who suffered the loss of a loved one in the 9/11 attacks should be able to say whatever they want to say, regardless if you agree with they are saying, or if you think they are bat-shiat crazy . They paid a hell of price to form their opinions. Not like some insulated, partisan hack who is just trying to sell some books.

Cartman, your an idiot. Just pick one political thread, anyone, and try to resist posting your inane commentary for once. You have to be one of the lesser intelligent jokes in this forum, every opinion based on feeling, devoid of fact and streaming like so much diarhea spread everywhere.

Listen, you piece of trailer trash horse shit, the idea of you calling anyone an idiot is absurd - especially when the concept of punctuation, and the difference between "your" and "you're" seems unclear to you. Fuck off - seriously.

Oh yeah, you're the other one. Thanks for chiming in, hershey squirt. That's what a 'Crapshoot' is anyway, right?

Well - this thread went into the crapper in a hurry.

LOL. How is that list coming along? You know, the one where you were going to come back and report on all of my postings, and how completely wrong I was on every one of them? We are all still eagerly awaiting your findings.

Perfect wording considering the last 3 posts contained diarhea, horse shit and hershey squirt...

Like you were really going to get any real discourse from the usual conservative-bashing squishy pinkos in the first place.

I don't "get" Ann Coulter- I really don't. She's not particularly intelligent, she's not particularly good looking, and isn't like she represents any degree of sanity. How this woman once worked for the National Review I'm unsure - of course, her path since then (Frontpage.com - brown person bashing at its finest) has led her to completely abandon the pretense of even knowing what she's talking about. Its amusing - she's probably far less of a nut than it appears- the extreme right wing schtick just makes her more money.

Did you even bother to notice who started this thread? I believe that person's day job is as a conservative radio show host.

I placed it up that dark tunnel you keep your head in...keep looking, I'm sure you'll find it!

I think Coulter went way beyond good taste with some of her comments. As HA said, I think she intentionally might be going over-the-top with these statements to generate controversy and hopefully spur book sales. But even though she might make a valid point, she is stepping over a line that shouldn't be crossed, even in political discourse. Leave that kind of sh*t to Michael Moore.

Re-read first post regarding you.

Damn. Is Bubba trying to be boxed? Or is he just doing his Ann Coulter impersonation?

Crapshoot, would you say the same thing about left-wing nutjobs as well?

Skydog don't have the intestinal fortitude for that. Let Cartman and Crapper call their daddy to protect them.

You're all class, Bubba.

Sure - though I'm not sure why any sort of equivalence is needed between Coulter's deeds and someone on the "left" - her stupidity stands out. If you're referring to the bit about "overplaying the extremism" - that, I have no doubt is common across the board - we call it "marketing."

OOOOOH YEAH! SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM! CAN YA DIG IT!?

I must say, I haven't been called a squishy pinko before - this is a new one. What makes a non squishy pinko though - are they all squishy ? Are some "harder" than others ? These are questions that need answers!

Your absolutely right...should have responded the way Crapper did...oh yeah, i did!

Ok, let me break it down, step by step.


F for grammar. I guess you are a product of the horrible public school systems you are always complaining about.


I don't post in all that many political threads. I only chime in where I think maybe I can provide a different perspective. If you go back and look at any of the political compass surveys we've done on the board in the past, I'm usually right in the middle, neither right nor left. I've made it clear many times I consider myself more a libertarian, than a Democrat or Republican.

At least you used the correct form of 'your' in this sentence.


So this means I'm still an intelligent joke, just not one of the highest order?


Isn't an opinion just that, something based on feelings? More points off for grammar for the misseplling of diarreah.

Anything I missed? I think I went over this pretty well, and I don't see anything there where it shows that you read who created the thread.

Geez, someone dig Blackador up and you can have your usual 'circle of friends' gathering! How special! HA!

Bubba Wheels is an idiot. He is JIMGa without the endearing qualities.

Would it make you feel any better if she said they were enjoying the "results" or "outcome" of their husbands death?

Yet another 'squishy circle' member. You handful should all have secret decoder rings.

BTW, 'idiot' was already used as a descriptive once in this thread...pick another like...bonehead...as in 'like the bonehead that you are!" But then again you 'squishy' types are not known for you're 'originality."

Fixed.

As for the initial topic. I actually agree with Ann Coulter on something. These women has been compensated more than fairly. I feel for them and don't wish death on anyone or their loved ones, but enough is enough. Locally in St. Louis a young, attractive, blond, white women was killed over the weekend and you would think by the front page continous coverage the last week that the president was shot. It is a tradegy and if I knew her I would be grieving even more, but people die. (Now there are sex offender ties, so I am sure we are going to have another week of coverage maybe even national)

But the fact is that these husbands could have died in car accidents, the building could have caught fire, they could have been robbed and shot. They died from a terror attack. Life sucks sometimes. Deal with it, everyone else does.

From a female perspective, no man should want to be a member of the squishy circle...I'd suggest you all abandon this thread immediately and regain your manhood in one of the sports threads.

Ann Coulter=Dennis Rodman.

It's all about selling books.

Moron.


Sorry I couldn't resist.:D

I haven't really even befriended any of the guys you speak of so I don't know how I got in the squishy circle. I know Cartman from his BBCF league, but that is about it. And why would they want to hang out with a child molester anyways? (Or so I was told by Bubba Wheels in his 4th grade social studies textbook explanation of Jessica's law a few days ago)

Enhanced.

Have to tell you that your whole "anyone who shows emotions should just get over it when I'm tired of hearing it" stance shows you have more testosterone than Bubba has ever dreamed of having.

I mean seriously, I'm cynical as hell and dislike people enough to not get upset when one dies ( this thread really illustrates why ) but damn, even I give the benefit of the doubt that there may be some people not as cold and heartless as some of the folks in this thread, myself included.

Guess I was wrong. Doesn't feel good to be though.

Hey, I have an idea. Lets just have a group meeting at a funeral home and mock the mourners. That'd pretty much feel good wouldn't it?